Did you bought something with this amazing coupon?
Worth mentioning this time it's only one use coupon.
Also, it works for the whole cart, meaning you don't have to spend it on one game, you can collect more cheaper games to reach the minimum limit.
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please can you tell me what country you buy mafia trilogy 4,99?
p.s. sorry for ask
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Cool, thank you! Go a collection of games for a little over . I like more involved games, but I also enjoy smaller games or even casual ones, so I got myself a little bit of everything.
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I would only use it if it was 10$ off for no minimum price needed and just buy a 10$ game ^^
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Fun fact, it's a $14.00 CDN coupon for us Canuckleheads
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Still not gonna give my payment details to EGS but seems like a good offer for those who want to buy something, so bump. :D
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just fun fact
valheim alone on steam did half revenue 3rd party of egs :DDD
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Why? Seems like a a store with slightly better deals than Steam, at least in my region.
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Exactly, it is not as fancy as Steam, but many deals are much cheaper than on Steam, and TBH not to mention how many good games they had given away.
But lets face it, if Epic Store was released before Steam, then people would be complaining about Steam, thats just the way it goes.
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Nope. Steam is much better than Epic Store in almost every way. Forums, reviews, screenshots, workshop mods, anything.
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Steam used to not have these. Epic is also working on adding all this too.
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Kind of necro, but OK.
"Steam used to not have these" Phones a few years ago didn't have touchscreens. If you released a new phone today and said "Well, it doesn't have touchscreens, but phones didn't had them back then", what do you think the public would say? You can't release something today, 2022, like it's 2012. Valve actually has showed a blueprint what a good storefront people like.
"Epic is also working on adding all this too" Epic Store was released in december 2018. It has been more than three years already. And think about how long it took them to fucking shopping cart. Besides, there are officialy no plans for forums, you are supposed to go to external forums like reddit (nope).
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Because they buy exclusivity deals to make sure you can't find them in other places for at least a year, and when they get released in other places, they get released at full price. Take Hitman 3 for an example. They are double dipping at this point, Epic is just convincing them with a big sum straight up(in case the game doesn't sell that many copies within a year they are guaranteed that money as if they made the sales, so it's easy to see why any publiher would do it), and then when the deal ends and the sales are not going as well as they expected, they come to steam and put it to full price again because that's where the actual buyers are, like a year hasn't passed and they haven't screwed everyone over and it's not a year old game now(crappy publishers every single time, not devs). But it's epic who enables this, so I can't blame a publisher entirely for this, actually I think it's mostly epics fault for doing exclusivity deals, since they know what they are doing. On top of buying exclusivity deals, I think they just finally got a cart to their store, and obviously still lack many of the features quijote3000 mentioned underneath, which are social features.
Epic games is only going to be great until it ends up hurting steam and any other competitors, and then when it hurts steam and it doesn't need that anymore, you'll see how fast epic turns on you. Would you support steam that's been pretty loyal for like what, 20 years now(especially since they're trying to make some pretty cool hardware like the index, and the steam deck, and they're working to make more upgradable hardware), or would you go for epic who straight up came and tried to disrupt them market by making sure only they can have certain games. Give them more power and who knows what's next. I don't think any of us want any more of the console exclusive attitude buy this specific thing to play this one game, and then this one other thing to play this one other game.
Sometimes a $10 coupon is not the most amazing thing to get me to change the side I've been on for 20 years, when the new place doesn't have a community and they're not trying to grow it either, and it has a multitude of other problems I don't like about it. It just so happens they have UE5 and Fortnite which are both pretty great things.
I should probably note tho. Despite not buying anything from their store because I have a huge backlog and waiting a year means nothing to me when there's retro games from like the 90's I still want to play, I did play fortnite for quite a bit of time and I bought their founders edition and a few skins, and I enjoy ue5 too. So it's not like I didn't give epic any money at all. But for me it's probably more like I don't really need anything from their store, and $10 on egs wont do anything for me either, I wouldn't mind waiting another few years and then buying the game at $10 less on steam, or if a friend really wants to play and I'm interested, I'll just pay the $10 extra, it's not that big of a stress.
Circumstances tho and from what I'm reading for some people in different countries where the currencies apply they can get some really sweet deals. I see someone below got Kena Bridge of Spirits, together with Hades all for like $5.80 usd as they mentioned, but I don't know how valuable $5.80 is in their currency. If I could get those two for $5.80 in the US, I wouldn't probably hesitate either, but not for $30 for just one, due to my backlog.
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Honestly if you are this pissed about some Epic 1 year exclusives I can't imagine how much you hate Ubisoft and Activision and Origin since many of their games are only available on their respective platforms and arent on Steam or only arrived on Steam recently. Comparing this to console exclusivity is frankly laughable. Epic is free, you don't need to buy special hardware, you have access to every Epic game just like everyone else. Their deals are sometimes better than Steam's, which in my mind is healthy competition to Steam.
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I'm not pissed about it, I was just giving you my reasons. I don't hate either. A lengthy response doesn't mean I partake in that. It's fine to disagree or have extended views, right?
As for disliking ubisoft and activision and others, here's my stance on that. Yes I would like to see their games on steam because I like to have all my games in one place, but it also makes sense because bringing your game to more places would only mean reaching more customers right? But I don't necessarily agree that Assassin's Creed should be on steam(even tho it is, so bless you ubisoft, despite all the criticism you get from everyone, even with the drm in there). It's Ubisoft IP. Nor do I think Call of Duty should necessarily be on steam, it's Activision's IP(again, thanks). They made those games so I honestly think they reserve those rights to keep them on their own launcher if they so choose. I think that's fair play. Same with Fortnite on epic games, I don't expect to see that on Steam, or League of Legends, you get me?
However, when it's someone else's game, and a billion dollar company goes out of their way to restrict the reach of the game, I mean yes, I do find that a little stupid, why wouldn't you? It's maybe good for the revenue, but I don't want to support that. So in the case of studios Epic games cannot afford to buy and actually support long time to promote the growth of who knows what amazing video games but only does it for their own interest, despite knowing it bothers some customers in the gaming industry and it could be pretty fatal to some games and developers, once again I don't want to be a pillar supporting that, for a $10 deal.
As for the deals, as I said, it's pretty normal to do this sort of thing whenever you launch your product(in this case the epic games store is the product), and again I think if you live in an area where the deal is so big switching your main platform feels justified then of course go for it. I also said if I could get $50 worth of games or whatever those two were at msrp for like $6 I'd probably do it too. But otherwise I don't really feel like it, and I can wait, and every time a "deal" pops up it's just not enough for me so far.
I wasn't comparing it to console exclusivity other than explaining that I don't want to promote that behavior and in the future give epic and opportunity to go forward with a more advanced state of this, because If they know it's okay to do exclusivity deals every year they will keep doing them(why wouldn't they?), it will be a trend, even when they're popular as a store. I never said they're the same right now, so don't add words. You disagree with this? You think once they're a big store egs would drop one of the two things that helped them stay afloat? Exclusivity deals? (the other being of course this $10 coupon). They don't have anything else, and you know it, because you didn't comment on their lack of support and social features. It took 3 years for them to do the shopping cart by the way, but hey, at least it's there now.
As for healthy competition by all means I support them lowering prices to compete with Steam, but they're never going to beat Steam if they don't buy exclusive new releases and they know it. The same concept works with consoles by way, because that's the whole point of exclusives, to help break down competition and to help the new place grow or maintain. The person that benefits the most from exclusivity isn't the developer, which is why as I said before Epic guarantees them a sum of money that would amount for whatever sales they would probably do on steam and any other platforms/stores they'd release together, in exchange for staying with them for that period of time. Then people have to go to EGS to get the game on release if they really want, and like that egs basically buys new users. Thankfully they have UE5 and Fortnite which pay for all that, more than $500 mil, and they don't actually expect to make money from the EGS until 2027, as this article tells you. https://www.pcgamer.com/epic-has-sunk-dollar500m-into-the-epic-games-store-doesnt-expect-to-make-a-profit-until-2027/
You don't actually think all those free games on egs are charity or something right, or these $10 coupons are going to keep going indefinitely right? It's just until they get enough people there. It's basic marketing, take advantage of it while you can, and then it's gonna end and you gotta look for the next big store trying to launch. That's another 5 years of deals tho. They were gonna stop the free games last year but then they continued, probably because I know at some point fortnite was dying, but then it picked back up, and that was before they announced UE5, which is pretty amazing.
If I come out as mean, I don't intend to, it's just this information is out there and you should be at least aware of it.
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You are ranting hard for no clear reason. I was unable to find a single argument here that somehow makes the Epic Store bad or a place where people shouldn't shop.
"They made those games so I honestly think they reserve those rights to keep them on their own launcher if they so choose." So you support exclusivity? Weird considering you seem to argue against it throughout the rest of the comment.
"but only does it for their own interest" Do you think Steam is a charity? Welcome to capitalism, where every company is doing things for their own interest.
"it could be pretty fatal to some games and developers" Are you suggesting you have evidence that disproves the financial analysts at Epic?
"I don't think any of us want any more of the console exclusive attitude buy this specific thing to play this one game, and then this one other thing to play this one other game." This is you directly comparing the two, I was not putting any words in your mouth.
"As for healthy competition by all means I support them lowering prices to compete with Steam, but they're never going to beat Steam if they don't buy exclusive new releases and they know it." Well they are beating Steam I see consistently lower prices on Epic compared to Steam.
"The person that benefits the most from exclusivity isn't the developer," you say then you go onto say that Epic gives the devs the estimate they could have earned in their first year guaranteed, meaning the devs do benefit from this, so what's your point?
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I mean I explained it to you in pretty simple terms, You're just in denial. We just disagree and that's fine.
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I explained to you how Ubisofts/Activision/Epic/Riots Owned IPs are different than them going out and temporarily buying other games from other publishers. Not sure what's so hard to get about that. Valve has their own IPs, like Half Life and Portal and CS for instance. Honestly, it's not that damn hard. They actually made them. It originates from that creator, so it's fair game that it would be limited them. But to go and make deals with other creators to limit the spread of their product is different.
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No, steam is not a charity, but they don't need to buy exclusives, why? Because they're already popular? No, because they listen to their customers and they work with that, and they do innovate. Sure they don't really involve themselves with games anymore, but you wouldn't have the Valve Index without steam, and it's the best vr headset out there. You're not going to have the best price/performance wise handheld controller like the steam deck in a few months without Valve. That's where your money is going. With epic, the money from Unreal Engine 5 which they take from other devs making games with the engine and them taking a cut from it, they use that money to prevent games from reaching a wider audience. Critical thinking man.
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Other than Epic Games themselves admitting that they estimate they will not profit off their store until 2027, probably not, there's no point for devs to come out and say this hurts us, because again the whole contract deal is that epic games pays them ahead for sales they haven't actually made, I explained that 2 times so far I think? In terms of being fatal sure, years from now when Epic doesn't need them anymore, and these studios that left their customers for a little quick cash will try to sell a game in a series and people remember then yes I assume they'd lose some money. Epic games paid $146 million for the "Borderlands 3" 6-month deal. Now across all platforms according to this deal the game made $300 mil in just 5 days. As of October 2021 they sold 14 million copies total, even at $60 a game that'd be $840mil. Assuming that every single sale for borderlands to that date was $60, epic games would have purchased 17.3% of all game sales on launch day. Of course, the game went on sale, which means the $% epic paid of the total game sales, is higher. The same can't be said with Hitman 3, where it released on steam at full price after an entire year with the option of getting the "pre-order dlc" and reasonably so people are like "nah". Do you think mixed reviews hurts sales? Borderlands 3 had it too. Sure they did great in sales, Borderlands 3 is one of the best selling games in the series. But the company also promised it's developers some fat checks for the hard work they did, and when it was time to pay out, they cut them out. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-04-02-borderlands-3-devs-say-their-promised-bonuses-have-been-slashed coincidence, maybe didn't reach what they ceo's expected? Had to take the money from somewhere, so they cut the bonuses of the people that made the game. Pretty cool right?!
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Comparing two things doesn't mean they are exactly the same, hence why, we compare things. I was also referencing to console exclusives so you understand a worse case scenario and why if a company sees that it works, which it does, like with xbox, ps, switch, whatever exclusives, they will keep doing it, and all you gotta do is own the device to be able to buy the game on that platform and play it. Of course it's simpler on a pc because as you said Epic is free, but as I elaborated to you, the whole exclusivity deal is to buy out customers from other stores like steam, gog, origin, ubisoft, etc, in the case they want to play the "exclusive" game. And as long as it works, they will keep doing it, even 50 years from now, with games that aren't made by them, and restricting the reach of such games, rather than you being able to get the games you want, on whatever platform you want, because wouldn't that be nice. So yes that's where you started adding words to mine, which I didn't say. Not sure why I'm repeating myself here too.
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They're not making profit until around 2027, according to their own ceo, read their articles. Sure in your own opinion anything can go. You can believe whatever you want. Epic at the moment is losing hundreds of millions of dollars on EGS and they admitted it. Fortnite and Unreal Engine are paying that loss. From your point of view and you getting a deal of course it's a better deal for you right now as I said go for it, especially if it's a great deal for a game like I said I might as well too if it's absolutely something I wouldn't pass. Epic games is taking the loss for you right now so by all means, I support you in taking advantage of it for now. That doesn't mean that long term the way they are doing things right now is sustainable and they know it(and you should too, money doesn't fall from trees and they wont keep doing charity work forever), hence why I linked you an article so you can read.
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Right, the party benefiting the most from this is of course EGS, as I mentioned before, it's EGS that is buying out customers, it's a great deal, and as you say "no no other store bad deal I must go to epic better deal today, and only they have this 1 game no one else is allowed to sell it", and then you make an account you make your purchase, they recover some of the money they paid for that exclusivity deal, now they got you as a customer and there you are. After a few years, around 2027 when they expect to be profitable, or maybe earlier, this is just my assumption of course, but they wont be giving free games every Thursdays, and the $10 coupons will be gone, or some sort of other shady deal will be around, like game prices will increase, but of course, they're exclusive and you can only get them there, so what you gonna do, gotta buy it at the increased price right? Of course the publisher benefits from this or they wouldn't take the deal, just not the most. I mean they're basically offered guaranteed sales, like Borderlands 3 was basically given what 20%-25% maybe more(estimate) of all sales of all time so far pretty much. Imagine someone offers you 25% of all the revenue you'll make in 2 years for a game to lend it to them for 6 months. Not bad. They probably don't have as good deals for indie devs, assumption again, but I do remember at some point reading that the ceo didn't want to allow bad games on his store, and I thought that was very specific, like how does he define that? I could be wrong but I'm not seeing any hidden object games, rpg games, those really simple puzzle games, skill and rhythm based games etc. Maybe I'm just bad at searching their store. Let me know tho if you see some.
PS: Price isn't everything to me, so no I'm ranting for clear reason. I've literally given you plenty of reasons why the company is not in good shape. You just choose to ignore them for a $10 coupon. It's just that all you are concerned with is money so you can't hear anything else. That's on you so don't blame me. If for you to get that $10 coupon made someone you cared about suffer, would you care then? Maybe looking at it from this point of view helps you see there's just not money to things. Even though I did say if $10 is really that big of a difference for you, go for it, but I did explain to you why the current state of their store is poor, you just choose to ignore it, so don't blame that on me "ranting". As I mentioned before, a little coupon is not enough of a motivator to make me switch sides to a company that's trying to destroy an entire ecosystem. You just "rant" back to me with your nonsense.
EDIT: Figured I should edit this with a bit of info from Hitman 3's publisher iOi, since it is relevant. https://ioisupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4418445781521
"Our HITMAN 3 launch on Steam didn’t go as planned. We were excited to bring HITMAN 3 to Steam with new content and we knew that anticipation and excitement levels amongst our Steam players was high, especially as the game had been an Epic exclusive for a year.
Ultimately, we didn’t meet our own expectations of a launch experience and we don’t like that our Steam community is beginning their HITMAN 3 journey in this way." Go ahead, tell me, does it hurt them, or not?
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Not once did I mention any coupon, that was you all along, you repeat that point like five times. I am talking about better prices that can compete with Steam.
It seems to me you support exclusives from some stores. Whether those games are developed by one company or another is completely irrelevant for the customers, if you have no issue downloading Origin, Battle.net etc than you should have no issue downloading EGS. If you have no issue with COD Warzone restriction then you should have no issue with Borderlands being exclusive to one store. They are all publicly available after all.
I can't really respond to your assumptions about financials, they are mostly just speculations, which you are welcome to believe.
I have no idea why you keep repeating that Epic gets customers through exclusives, that the most obvious thing ever, everyone knows that. Is that bad in your opinion?
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Sure you don't need to mention it, but what makes their deals better is the coupon hence why the thread Their deals are sometimes better than steam is not anything you should use an argument against steam, because deals fluctuate left and right no matter what vendor it is. That's another whole point. Maybe you can't find it on steam for 10% off, but hey egs has it for 10% off, oh wait, ubisoft has it for 20% off, right? 2 weeks from now maybe steam has it for 20% off and no one else has it on sale. Prices fluctuate. That's not an argument towards EGS. That's just a market economy. You can go to 8 grocery stores all across your city and chances are even if they are the exact same company they'll have some different pricing, and some sales on some different things. It's just a market. Not sure what reply you want to that. My whole point is at what cost that coupon comes, other than your morality?
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I have EGS what are you talking about? That doesn't mean I support exclusives from other publishers which Epic Games themselves doesn't own. That is the whole idea behind this exclusivity. It's not their own creation. Are you denial here? The difference with Borderlands being an exclusive and Call of Duty is that Activision owns the IP to COD. 2k games owns the IP to Borderlands 3, and I can guarantee you they wouldn't have even made 10% of those sales if the only place you can get their game was their own website because it's bad. The same applies with bethesda when they launched their own launcher for the fallout and skyrim games. What do you think it's easier and more practical to use. Bethesdas launcher or Steam, also not a resource hog for what it does? You obviously know what I'm going to say.
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You don't have to respond to my assumptions, but I'd appreciate to see your response regarding the facts about financials, I need you to understand that even in the worst case scenario, in the case every single copy of borderlands 3 sold at $60(which is impossible and you know it) till october 2021, in that case Epic Games would've still paid 17.3% of the whole total's game revenue at that date. The reason I said assumption is because you know not every copy was $60(especially with the $10 coupons, and of course other sales), which would of course would decrease the total possible revenue, hence increasing the percent Epic Games paid in total, which means it's IMPOSSIBLE that it's only 17.3%, and it's higher. Math, not even once. I said it's an assumption, but it's not. Epic games paid more than 17.3% of the total revenue of Borderlands 3 till October 2021. However more exactly I don't know, I estimated 20%-25%, but it could be more. That was my assumption. My point was just that they paid f ton. (for comparison math, it's like they gave around 3 million copies of the game at $50 for free in exchange for having the game on their store for 6 months to lure users to sign up).
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Yes that's bad. Not sure what you don't understand again. It's not bad for Epic Games. It's great business for them in the long term when they will force exclusives on you 25 years from now with no $10 coupon. It's bad for everyone else.
a) for publishers: example. Hitman 3 like I showed you where the publisher took the money from EGS, but now is sad about the reception on steam when they tried to pull a year old game like nothing happened on steam. So now they're trying to control the damage. Same stuff happened with Borderlands 3 on release and steam stepped in and had to edit reviews. They had to do extra work, on behalf of Epic Games. So it does hurt he publisher, as I literally showed you a few times already, you just can't process it in your head, because of simple ignorance.
b) For the consumers. Instead of you being able to go buy that game wherever you want, you are now forced to either not play the game, either wait the exclusivity time, or just suck it up and go to the platform or store that game is at, and buy at whatever price it is at, because it's the only deal. No one else has it. Remember when I said that deals fluctuate around, well definitely not like this, because if it's exclusive, 1 party has 100% control of the market. Wasn't that you that said it's good for the competition?
c) For indie devs, since if all these triple aaa games become exclusives, indie devs feel forced to be on a platform with popular games, so it kills a lot of creative games. The ceo said it doesn't want "crappy games" on it's platform, hence why you can't find any hidden object games, puzzle games, rpg games, an astonishing amount of indie games, all kinds of innovations, etc. and yet, some of them are pretty damn amazing. But if he defines it as crappy, you don't even have an opportunity to see it, so it kills someones opportunity, even tho you might like it. Funny enough, I don't think Epic Games's old games starting from 1991 would make it on their new store, and that's a little weird, because I'd like to see Jazz Jackrabbit and pretty much all of their old games on their own store, like Unreal for instance. Did you know they made Unreal? Apparently it's too crappy for them to carry on their own store, so they put it on steam. https://store.steampowered.com/app/13250/Unreal_Gold/
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You, sir or madam, is a very patient being. I've hated Epic for their exclusive shenanigans since they started, but thank you for doing the research, and putting it into such a detailed explanation.
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Thanks. I do see his point of view, but at the same time a bit of a discount(and I actually get no discount in the USA) doesn't make it right that egs prevented some gamers from playing the games at release where they want when the previous games in the series or from the publisher were released there, while egs has done basically nothing in over 3 years to provide social aspects to their platform to enhance it in any way like reviews for the exclusive games they carry cause who knows maybe the players want to say they don't like the game or maybe it's broken, they can't, or maybe profiles, or maybe we don't want 1 store to have whole access to 1 game since then they also 100% control it's price.
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Yeah, I agree. But that's also the main problem I have with EGS. I don't mind more stores and launchers. Hell, competition is only a good thing for us consumers, right? But I've always been against the exclusives they did, because that's the exact opposite. It's a real shame though, because I feel like if they hadn't done the exclusive deals, they'd still be able to make a pretty good name for themselves in other ways. The games they're giving away for free for instance are for the most part, pretty solid titles. I feel like if they'd just stuck with that, people would see more past the fact that it lacks a lot of other basic things.
I'm no expert in the history of storefronts, but I don't seem to recall GOG having to sort to such shenanigans to make a name for themselves, and I think they're doing pretty alright for themselves.
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Don't wanna start another argument but GOG has never been very profitable and they are actually losing money at the moment:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/29/22808199/cd-projekt-gog-losses-restructuring-earnings-2021#:~:text=The%20storefront%20saw%20a%20slight,the%20same%20period%20in%202020.
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Yeah, but for me the coupon isn't really the thing that seals the deal. It's that the prices are consistently lower than Steam's. Prices vary sure, but Epic games has better deals than Steam in my region, hence my appreciation of EGS. See what I mean?
You keep saying the word "denial" and I honestly have no clue what you are trying to say. I feel like I am repeating myself and so are you. Once again, my point is exclusivity has been part of the industry for years now, yet the only time people seem to care about it, is when Epic does it. It's kinda old news at this point, Epic's library expanded a lot since 2019.
I never disputed that Epic was losing money at the moment. Their plan - as described in the articles - is long term. Fun fact Steam was only profitable after its third year too and at the time it was the only launcher available. Epic is very clearly playing the long game here, by catering to its Fortnite audience and luring people from Steam and other platforms. I am confident that the negative PR they receive from a small part of the gaming demographic was something they calculated with. I am sure you'd agree that a multimillion dollar company won't just leave things to chance.
The Hitman controversy seems to be the Hitman publisher's fault not Epic's. Many 2+ year old games (RDR2, C2077, DS) are going for 60 EUR on Steam so I am not sure why a price reduction would have been warranted. Ultimately this is a publisher decision. Borderlands 3 is also 60 EUR by the way.
We are not talking about lifelong exclusivity here, we are talking about 6 months-1 year exclusivity and it's likely Epic only has the budget to do this until a few more years. The hope is by the time they run out, EGS will turn into a competent store and a worthy opponent for Steam. If the price for that is a few exclusives per year, I think that's acceptable.
There are positives already, EGS forced Steam to lower its cut from 30%. Compared to Steam, EGS only takes a 12% cut from devs I believe that could be one of the reasons I consistently find better deals there, although that's just speculation on my part. You said earlier only Epic wins money through their schemes, considering they take less away from devs I have to differ.
As for your last point, this is more subjective, but as someone who plays a lot of indie games, I feel Steam is in desperate need of quality control, just look at all the low effort asset flip garbage released there every week, sometimes devs don't even have the decency to recolor the asset store items, not to mention all the lazy porn jigsaw games and point and click weekend projects that are more like slideshows than games and seem to be designed solely to be sold on third party sites. I still miss Steam Greenlight, at least that served as a community quality control. As far as I know Origin is also keeping some kind of quality check and they don't let every game on their platform. From a business standpoint going with the bigger indies and AA titles is the most logical for Epic, what do you think attracts people, a game like Kena: Bridge of Spirits or Pirates of the Maverta? Just to be clear I don't want to loose indies, perhaps this is something EGS will add later, who knows.
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For sure, as I also said, if the deals are so good you can't pass on them, go for them, I also said I would too probably if they sold me kena for $3 usd, that's basically 90% off why wouldn't I? Where I'm from USA, EGS doesn't seem to compete with Steam in terms of pricing. They're both during the lunar sale and I'm not seeing anything different. The overwhelming majority of games have the exact same price on both platforms, I'm kinda certain that I did mention probably in my first or second reply that if you have the opportunity to get games at such a low price then why wouldn't you, I'm not blaming you and I'm happy that they adjust to your pricing or maybe they don't adjust properly and you get a better deal on their mistake, but I don't want you to come here and tell me that overrides the other things they did so far.
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I don't think it's just when Epic does it. If you look for someone who wants to play spiderman on pc and they can't, I can guarantee you will find someone who wants to play spiderman on pc(damn you sony), and this applies to any other exclusive. F*** it, I went again for you and just did a google search, filtered by news, sorted by date, and just 2 weeks ago, a forbes article on the exact topic(not that I think forbes knows everything, but they do have enough rep). Of course I'm sure you'll find thousands if you want but here you go. Is it just people complaining about epic games, or people are just kinda tired of the exclusivity? https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/01/15/sony-should-be-putting-all-playstation-exclusives-on-pc-day-one/
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I don't deny you didn't dispute it, because you didn't mention it, so I don't even think you were aware of it. I was somewhat aware of steam not being profitable immediately but I just went and read on it a bit more and according to wikipedia it released in September 2003 as a store and became profitable at the beginning of 2005. The original release of steam was just a launcher to update Valve's owned games, but Epic had the same for fortnite(+ they've had other launchers for their old games) and we're not taking all those years into accountright since we're just talking about the stores? So Steam would've been profitable in less than 2 years right while Epic is ticking. I also don't think they're playing a long game by choice, I think you know it's the only way, they have to keep doing exclusives and give away free games until a certain amount of members reach a huge amount of games, or they will never succeed.
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You can blame it on the publisher alone, but this wouldn't have happened had they not taken the exclusivity deal, which they got lured in by Epic. Is it it the publishers fault for taking the deal? Of course, but I can't blame them too much because it was guaranteed money. Who knows 20% of revenue probably? Is it epics fault, guaranteed, they know what they're doing by trying to steal users with this method. Again, people are upset that after a year it's coming to steam trying to market itself as a brand new game, which it's not. The publisher's admitted the mistake and agreed to upgrade everyone who purchased any edition to the next one up(if possible) for free. so I think it's fair to just leave it at that. Cyberpunk wasn't an exclusive or am I wrong, regardless it's already $30 on sale, deservingly so because of the bugs? RDR2 is already $30, probably because they released the RDRO which was filled with hackers and still is, however I think it deserves a lot of the praise it got. Borderlands 3 again was great, but was kind of surprised to see it drop to $15 so soon after it hit steam, and a little disappointed to hear they cut the developers bonuses(the people who actually made the game) despite promising said bonuses, so kinda crappy on 2k, but again, they wanted that $150 mil from epic, but can't afford to pay the bonuses. Interesting?
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I mean, if right now they're solely running on fortnite and UE money and they are staying afloat, what makes you think they will stop getting exclusives when they become profitable? Wouldn't you reinvest your profits in the strategy that worked for years to get more people, like Sony and Microsoft are doing? Does the "I am sure you'd agree that a multimillion dollar company won't just leave things to chance." not apply here ?
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I actually think this is a good point, steam was indeed taking a big cut, 30% is a big cut, at the same time, they received no revenue when a developer asked for a million keys to sell on g2a for instance, or to make a physical product that included t he keys, if that makes sense. So if you bought a skyrim copy that has a steam code in a gamestop, steam never got any share of that, if you bought a key from humble bundle, steam doesn't get a share of that, yet they still approve so many keys out. So what's 30% is less when they release to the dev another 25% of total sales in keys basically.
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My point wasn't what attracts people since it's pretty clear an AAA game, or Kena but for diversity's sake, you might as well allow certain games, or have a review team. Not just call them crappy games. But Kena for instance seems to have a cast of over 100 people I didn't count but look at it's credits. That's no longer an "indie" game. It might look like it graphically, but that's it. This hopefulness that the CEO will one day turn around and say "oh poor you stop complaining about those indie games, fine, I'll make a corner for some "trash" somewhere here for you so you can have something to enjoy". But yes, steam does need a quality control team, every video game store should have a quality control team.
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For me, the price is pretty much the main reason, I'd go to EGS, and as someone who rarely buys games on launch, so yes for me it overrides everything else.
That's a console limitation, not digital store limitation. People don't reviewbomb Sunset Overdrive when they see that Spiderman is a console exclusive.... Selective outrage...
When you say, they don't play the long play by choice, I feel like you have an alternative business plan in mind that's also profitable. If this exists, I think it's time to go work for Epic as a financial consultant. I don't think they went into this with no business plan, if that's what you are refering to.
The Hitman thing is 100% the publisher's fault. They set the prices. In Control epic paid about one third of the development cost, I'd imagine it's similar with Hitman. Btw Control launched at 40 usd price on Steam. There was no outrage.
The other games I listed are discounted at the moment but they still cost their initial price when no sale is present. So whether a publisher lowers their price or not is up to them, some do, like Remedy while others don't, like CDPR or Rockstar. Game companies do bad things, but pinning the 2K thing on Epic seems far fetched to me. Seems like an example of corporate greed not a wrongdoing on Epic part.
Sure, it's possible that that strategy continues, however buying rights is very expensive, I don't think they can continue to do that for long. I don't think it's right, my position is that it's an acceptable price to see the competition kick in. If this becomes a real issue Steam might have to step in with better offers, the same way they were forced to alter their cut before.
Also one more point, since these exclusivity deals are only for 6 months or one year we can't really talk about price control since the most a game is discounted in its first year is maybe 50% on some sales.
Honestly I knew nothing of Kena, I just randomly picked a title. But Death Trash would be a better example. It's developed by 2 people if I recall correctly. It is available on Epic, because of its quality. So indie games are probably allowed if they reach a certain level of quality which to put it frankly many Steam indie games don't even try to reach. So I am not sure what your point is here.
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Great argument you used I don't hate egs I just don't buy because I hate exusives. I start interesting to buy on egs when they stop their exusives plan.
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"They made those games so I honestly think they reserve those rights to keep them on their own launcher if they so choose." So you support exclusivity? Weird considering you seem to argue against it throughout the rest of the comment.
I think that what they are saying is that it's ok for a game to be exclusive to a specific store, if the owner of said store made that game. Such as Assassin's Creed being exclusive to Ubisoft Connect, Fifa/Madden exclusive to Origin, WoW to BattleNet, etc. You don't expect to see a game made by Sony on Xbox because they have their own store, same for Ubisoft, EA, GOG and Activision. However, when a store pays some third party developer to have exclusivity for a year or more, it's no longer ok. If Epic only had exclusivity on games made by them or even games that use their engine, that would be fine, same as I'm sure if Valve makes a game, I don't expect it to be available outside of Steam. It's when they pay someone else's for exclusives that it becomes a problem. That's why some people dislike them, because as far as I'm aware, no other store does that on pc.
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+1 and thank you, exactly what I was trying to say.
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I did, sorry, my bad. My response to you is, why is one exclusivity okay but the other one isn't. If in the end of the day you have to download all launchers does this even matter? Why does it matter which store you get the game from if you have all the launchers anyway?
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It's not that it's necessarily okay, I don't go out of my way to support either(which is why I said I'm thankful for ubisoft bringing AC to steam for instance, and others), but I can understand why any company would protect their own IP and be willing to sacrifice it to draw people in to their store. Ideally yes you want games across all platforms on all stores, that would be perfect. I don't however want to promote a company going out of their way to buy other IP's and limiting them from spreading on the market. I'll pose two questions to you since you asked one too.
- How do you know which store has the best deal if the game is exclusive to one store?
- Which of these stores will you buy this game from after you decide on the best deal if of course it's sold into one place?
PSA: The same thing is happening in the world right now with the chip shortage. Everyone let China have control of the worlds chips, and all of a sudden they say it's a chip shortage, so no one can get them, so right now many countries are building their own chip manufacturing facilities(or at least planning) but it will take years until they are up and functioning(one is already set for 2024 in the USA). Until then shortage on anything that takes a chip, aka, absolutely everything, and the result, increased prices in everything that takes a chip, because guess who owns all the chips and who can charge whatever for them. The people who have exclusive ownership to it. The TSMC makes 92% of all complex chips.
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Obviously the answer to both questions is the same.
However, without Epic, Steam is pretty much the store the majority of games are exclusive to. If you are against this practice, it seems supporting Epic to grow into a competent store is the right call to balance out Steam's "monopoly". You seem to agree with the other guy I am in discussion with in this thread, in his comment he correctly said Epic isn't exactly profitable at the moment, and the stream of free games and exclusives will likely run out at some point. I would like it, if by the time that happens Epic could turn into something that could rival Steam creating a better environment for all of us.
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grow up, microsoft, sony, and a lot more companies did the same.... but yeh....knowledge is king
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Has nothing to do with growing up in my opinion, maybe with ignorance on your side however. Just because those companies did the same, doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to promote another company doing it again, and promoting the standard, when even you, who tells me to grow up, doesn't seem to like that idea. That was part of my point however, but you did miss it.
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sorry but if i read "they should just close down" then its clearly that the person got no idea about kapitalism. you can disagree with kapitalism, but thats where we are all now at this moment. everyone, in the past or in the future is looking for such deals. thats how the world works. you dont like it? move on or accept it. you cant chance it anyway. but to leave a statement that they are bad,isjust nonsense. console exlusive, pc exclusive is just as normal as buying groceries... everyone makes deals.
i got your idea but such comments pisses me off...
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Don't you know? Everyone hated Steam, when it came up, then it was Origin and Uplay and now they hate on Epic. The circle of hate (can't resist to imagine Elton John singing that song :D ).
The best thing is: most of the haters still grab the free games :D (I didn't look up statistics to it though).
Critisism is useful, but something else.
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In September of 2003, Steam's release was met with hesitance cynicism. Needing to download a program to launch a game seemed insane, especially with many claiming to experience performance hits with Steam running in the background. It was a downright poor experience for anyone looking to play a Valve game in 2003, but it was the only way.
To make things worse, Steam was incredibly unstable. It would crash, lag, and have other technical problems, and since everything had to run through Steam, some things simply didn't run. Not being about to play Counter-Strike because some other, unnecessary product wasn't working was the antithesis of open, available PC gaming. This was DRM at its worst. This was Steam.
https://www.gamesradar.com/top-7-times-when-everyone-hated-valve/
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With this coupon I bought:
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Wildlands (Sales price € 9,99)
Far Cry Primal Standard Edition (Sales price € 7,49)
For a total of: € 7,48
Pretty good deal if you ask me.
Since they're Ubisoft games, you don't need the Epic launcher. You can lauch them directly from Ubisoft Connect.
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I ended up getting Kena: Bridge of Spirits ($10.19 USD) and Hades ($5.72 USD) for $5.80 USD, so glad you can apply the coupon to the total of the cart now. It's the only reason I never used it before.
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How on earth are u getting those prices?
When I look.... Kena is 30€, and Hades 11€.
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Epic has local prices based on your region, the downside was that things here were so cheap, I couldn't use the coupons before, but now that I can use them on the total of the cart, well, I can take advantage of both the low prices and the coupons.
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Oh I see. Well enjoy :) Kena looks amazing.
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With regional pricing (SEA) it makes Rimworld and Disco Elysium (or Hades) about $5. Damn.
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Regional pricing is great, especially with the way you can now use the coupon for the cart combined, not just one game.
I recommend Turkey at the moment, got CP2077 + Kena: Bridge of Spirits + Witcher 3 GOTY + ELEX for a total of $5.5.
Too bad it's just one coupon this time though.
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honestly not bad, im not a fan of Epic but i admit i used the last one to buy voidtrain for $10 instead of like 20. i would love if they didnt make voidtrain exclusive to them cuz im sure i would have been happy to pay more if i could own on steam.
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Got Dreamscaper and The Dungeon of Naheulbeuk for P216.98 ($4.25), great it works for all in the same cart now :)
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After getting 200+ free games in the past years on Epic, I spent my first 5 eur on Epic ever after using the coupon. Not too bad.
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Yes, that's the second coupon that I've used on Epic Games, first on RDR2 at Winter Sale (with $7.49) and now Mafia: Trilogy (with $4.99)! :D
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Hades and Disco Elysium both look very good with the coupon, hm
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That IS a good deal. I'm tempted, but... what if they give it away for free this summer or christmas? This is the dilemma I'm always faced with on Epic.
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Happy cakeday!
And yes, them being free, or in a bundle that I'd likely get anyway - that's always an option. With my backlog I rather wait, wouldn't play these games immediately, despite how good they look like
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Yeah, I'll probably use the coupon on a couple of DLCs or something for now. Still haven't figured out what yet though.
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Both are great deals, but Hades is the only one that supports achievements if you care about that. I doubt either one of them will be free on epic anytime soon since they're still popular and sell well
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there are only about 20 games with achievements there (for now). still long way to go. I'm interested in trying them though.
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Bought not in this one but in Christmas promotion Disco Elysium and Inscription. With this coupon they costed me both around 4,5 euro (in local currency). Very good deal :).
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What do you think is better: Metro Exodus + Control Season Pass or Necromunda Hired Gun? Or, maybe someone here know some other good EGS games with higher discounts (Why yes, I am cheap greedy miser)
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I played all DLCs of Control. It was good, but maybe I would play other games instead. Btw main game was very good but playing DLCs was a bit too much of that game for me.
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Control base game and the Foundation DLC are both really good, if you are into unlikely storytelling amd spectacle combat, theother DLC feels rushed and unfinished. Metro Exodus is more like Fallout 4 at this point, it has lost almost everything that made the Metro series what it is.
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This is your chance to experience Disco Elysium for way too little money :)
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Got The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - GOTY Edition + FTL + SOMA + KORAL under US$7.
I know most of them were free at some point, but I missed it.
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I ended up buying:
The Red Lantern
Hamsterdam
Beyond Good & Evil
Especially BG&E was a filler, because I already own it. Bur it was the cheapest option to use the coupon; paid 5.07€,
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Thank you! I was interested the most in TRL, but Hamsterdam also looks quite nice.
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That's actually a great use of the coupon. Just careful with purchasing UBISOFT games in the future. The USTORE sometimes offers similar deals in which you can also include DLCs in your purchase unlike EPIC where it's just games. You may want to reserve some of the smaller UBISOFT games to get that kind of total when that type of sale rolls around again.
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Thank you for your warning! I usually don't buy on Epic, and I only chose BG&E to get over 14.99€. Hamsterland looks cute, so it was the cheapest option.
But you have a good point.
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Not a problem, man. I'm glad Epic is getting some love. I know it has limited features, and it's marred in controversies so people enjoy hating them, but I think it's a great site that offers fantastic deals for players. So I'm glad you jumped on board, even if it's just for this sale.
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It was the second time. :)
But my "problem" is, that I own most of the games on Steam which I would be interested in. They sure have some good deals, and I don't "hate" Epic.
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Oh, I wasn't saying you specifically did, I was just generalizing. You're right about owning most on Steam, that's most people's issues. That's why I run all my games through 3rd party programs like Launchbox, so I can see all my games in one place regardless of what launcher I own them on.
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I know, my fault, sorry.
I had a launcher a few years ago, but not "Launchbox". There was another one, but I don't remember the name.
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Lol Epic store is still relevant in 2022? I rather wait for bundles (or pirate in case of exclusives) than buying from there, at last I can play my games offline and don't have to install their spyware, barebone launcher, which takes much more ram than steam or any similar program =)
Epic is only for free games, if you can't afford anything else. total spent $300 million at the store in year and average $1.55 by active users is enough proof how their exclusive strategy working out =)
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Oh no, I caught self, that I would buy game and then I saw, that I already own it (and not just once), because it was free on Epic :-(
I need to play more and not just add them to library :-)
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All you have to do it to Email Subscribe here: https://www.epicgames.com/account/messaging!
❗ Offer ends on February 27, 2022 ❗
P.S. I bought Mafia: Trilogy with only $4.99
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