It's kinda sad to see that Humble makes a "Black developer fund" and excludes every "black" which is not of African origin not mentioning the fact that we are all of African origin ;)
And why no Latino developer fund or Native American developer fund or ... I think you get it ;)
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The video game industry will eventually collapse. It's on the same course as the comic industry and Hollywood. Comic industry was one of the first pop culture industries to get infiltrated and it's now going bankrupt.
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By women and people from other races than white D: How dare they?
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Don't forget commies, aliens and homosexuals! Perverting youth with their extremist ideas like tolerance of people who are different from you!
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...maybe we are just getting old, and the new generation is now at a turning point to take over, what we consider strange and weird, cuz its so new to us, another perspective we can´t understand? who knows....
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Aging gracefully is a choice that not everyone seems to make.
I mean, I'm gonna be an ugly hunching grumpus, but I hope I'm the kind of grumpus that prefers to give candy and tell stories rather than shake my fist and call names.
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Bias left.
Bias right.
It is good that there are various opinions.
There seems to be no free and correct opinion in an environment that does not allow freedom of expression.
it would be out of the question when trying to solve the different opinions by violence.(Violent demonstration activities.)
Be neutral with respect to either method of expression. I think Steam/Valve is good.
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Remember. The left is never right and the right is always wrong.
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The meaning of "left" or "right" varies by region.
And, depending on the "other person", the commentary on the values held by others also differs.
In any case, "rushing conclusions and demands" will not lead to good results.⌛
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Honestly, I prefer a company to stay out of it. Unless what you sell has anything to do with what's taking place, shut up. I don't care what a handful of lawyers and executives want to say in some canned message on a complex issue, because they only release the laziest buzz words and jargon. They're quoting a script, showing they have nothing to contribute, it's only a way to virtue signal. If you're really so benevolent, donate the money without saying a word, because the cause should be so much more important than getting some sort of credit for "doing the right thing."
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Hey, visitor, don't you forget to visit the thread: SteamGifts is racist too.
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Also, if they did donate they don't have to make a statement about it just to make people happy.
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Just because they don't speak up, means nothing. I don't like to get involved either. Silence DOES NOT mean compliance.
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Well, this is basically "social justice warrior"ing.
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Isn't it ironic though? In a thread where so many people are triggered by the fact some tiny indie devs dare exercize their right not to sell on Steam?
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I always found it hypocritical that so many people who use the term SJW do so when misrepresenting dissenting views. The original usage of 'SJW' when turned into a negative, was because they were overly combative, seldom tried civil discourse, and seemed to enjoy mob tactics and fighting far more than the amount they actually cared for the given subject. Yet now it slipped further and lost all real context, the people who use SJW like a buzzword tend to be rallying against something they find offensive, and have no interest in discourse, only pinning up strawmen and launching into tirades.
It's like a weird little petri-dish sample of the horseshoe theory in action. The rabid 'anti-SJWs' being a mirror image of what they want to combat, and visa versa.
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The original usage of 'SJW' when turned into a negative, was because they were overly combative, seldom tried civil discourse, and seemed to enjoy mob tactics and fighting far more than the amount they actually cared for the given subject.
I thought about that as well. I guess that's the danger in reducing any group of people to acronyms. Soon, it becomes an umbrella term for basically anything and it's used to insult more than anything. I personally don't feel threatened or offended when someone throws it at me for challenging their preconceived notions of the world. Just amused. But I know some people who react like being called a "snowflake" or SJW is the ultimate insult and it also amuses me. Call me whatever, that won't distract me from my opinion and launch into a rage contest.
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some tiny indie devs dare exercize their right not to sell on Steam?
If that would be the case there would be already hundreds of posts here since there are already tons of games that don't released on steam.
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As the true gospel of black metal teaches us: no lives matter at all
Humanity is like bacteria destroying its habitat for no reason and being harmful to every other form of life on Earth.
This is nothing worth saving unless otherwise proven and this is not done by multiplying until all forests are burned to fields.
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Humanity is like bacteria destroying its habitat for no reason and being harmful to every other form of life on Earth.
I knew you were on SG, Agent Smith!
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And it short term of a few billion years it all will be gone anyway... Just insignificant meaningless ball of Iron and other stuff orbiting an meaningless not at all special collection of hydrogen in unremarkable larger collection...
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I'm fed up too. It's just virtue signalling. What they really want is that lgbtq+ money (and the attention).
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Heh I'm always amazed how certain buzzwords, catchphrases or random expressions seem to pop up out of nowhere suddenly online like "snowflake" or "virtue signalling" and they never really seem to mean anything. Where is that coming from?
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Sad thing is that we have well seen there isn't much of money there... Just see how well the games made by them and aimed at them really sell.
It's more of fear of terrorism and activist press....
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Lgtbq?? Are you confusing something here? BLM has nothing to do with that stuff.
Feels like you just grabbed a bunch of buzzwords and mashed them together in a comment.
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Well, this is stupid...
Also can you change the title because I at first understood that you were sided with the devs to boycott Valve but when I further read the comments I then understood that you actually sided with Valve. (I am also sided with Valve)
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I agree with you and also don't get why people keep trying to coerce other people to take their side.
I am for BLM but not sure why people are so divisive nowadays, it is like if you do not pick a side immediately you are condemned from both sides and if you choose one, you are attacked from the other.
I feel we should give people time and space to process their own thoughts and make their own decisions, let them be grey instead of black or white.
All these behaviors recently makes me feel like movements are getting more extreme, and although it is not there yet (for BLM , but are sort of there for vegan extremist), I keep getting vibes of these movements moving towards more alike ISIS where people are only allowed to followed one ideology, and not allowed to think otherwise, and anyone who does not do what they want is their enemy.
Edit: Not saying that what the indie developers did is wrong though, they are allowed to do what they want to bring attention to the movement. Just that I am happy Valve is not bending over to the pressure, because imagine if you do this for BLM, but not do this for global warming, LGBTQ, hungry children in africa, re-education camps in china, income inequality and other more pressing issues; It just feels more like virtue signalling, where people just follow and take advantage of what is trending to feel good.
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The main (and titular) character in Valve's latest game is Alyx Vance.
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(That said, in retrospect, I wonder if they'd choose a different name for Alyx's mom...)
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To be honest, it's refreshing to see a large company not pretend like they care about social issues. I play video games to get away from all of that. I just want Steam to be Steam and not a PR factory.
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+1, I hate it when companies throw money at charities rather than dropping their prices, which would allow customers to keep more money that they can then donate themselves to the charities they like.
(HB is kind of an exception to this, as most of the time they let people chose the charity - even though the choices are limited to mostly English-speaking country charities)
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But in this case Valve doesn't choose what games go on sale, that's up to the developers/publishers to put their games on sale.
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Well, they could reduce their fee hence making most games cheaper ;) (except those for which publishers would use the occasion to raise their price)
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Embarrassing thread where this community feigns outrage over developers they've never heard of leaving steam, so they can have an excuse to complain about BLM and SJWs
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Those who are not with us are against us (c) communists and sjws
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Shutting up is not a political statement...
We have truly gone too far. But it is a good thing, now I can't even accidentally support these people...
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Funny how not giving to BLM is racist but contributing to a "Black Game Developer Fund", ie a fund that discriminates based on race, isn't.
I mean, imagine the outrage if someone were to create a "White Game Developer Fund"... At the very least, they'd get a pretty critical press coverage
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The point was there shouldn't be any fund based on race, genius
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At least I don't pretend to be anti-racism by contributing to racist funds. An irony lots of people somehow fail to perceive.
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I'm not saying it started here on there, I'm saying it is here or there.
But since you ask, it's been shown numerous times that people generally tend to prefer people who are similar, so I'd say racism starts a little bit everywhere.
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White children of poor families? Potentially living in same areas that certain parts of black community live.
British working-class children in areas of massive unemployment?
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Anyway weren't your original point that there is no impoverished white people that deserve fund? And I listed at least two groups...
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Valve made best decision by being neutral.
"Speech is silver but silence is gold" - absolutely true for this situation.
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What about steam being racist making a special censored version of steam for the Chinese and not for any other race ?!?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.win.gg/news/4554/valve-quietly-releases-censored-steam-china-client-to-alpha
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Don't you know that racial segregation is these days considered desired, if colleges are anything to go by.
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because Valve had no choice the Chinese Government loves to meddle in everything, it was either do that or conduct no business in China
.. It's why when people are like, oh Epic games is fine because Tim Sweeney said he would never give our information to the Chinese Government, even though Tencent is pretty much an arm of the Chinese Government..
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It's called capatilism and no moral compass. Valve have a choice to go into a market and ignore western values or not.
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Is there a racism against idiotism? Because if yes, them I'm totally racist!
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it the developers think they are doing something good have at it I guess.. Ultimately none of the games getting removed were any good anyway so is anything really lost?
Would it be nice if valve said something, I guess, but what's the point of more empty messages just done to garner up PR.. If you honestly believe most of these companies coming out with the messages of support actually care about any of the stuff you're wrong, it's all about free PR..
Even the ones donating millions of dollars.. they are just doing it for the positive rub they'll get from being behind the movement..
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