Should penalties from support expire?
SGTools is independent from SG itself, however there are ways to 'fix' your old infringements as well if you are worried about that.
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Kind of hard to do so, when SG staff reacts a week or two after the crime and then suspends you, cutting access to the site. That was a while ago though. I was just curious if it stays in your "dossier" or something. And if people want a dossier to begin with.
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You need to purchase a copy of the game you won twice, return it to one of the gifters you won those copies from, and he/she can ask for a reroll, but nothing forces him/her to accept.
I case you didn't activate a game, you can purchase a copy and activate it.
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they do, in sg (unless you are repeat sinner - then perm!)
sg tools is outside sg tool - so it is up to creator, some people make gates like no multiple in last yeare (or two) etc.
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I've been suspended for calling out once, does it mean I should be banned from the site?
I don't know, I guess bans should be used very wisely and only on recurrent mistakes, or I don't know, if something really serious happens.
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you still don't pass SGTools checks
- If you have not activated wins: buy the game and activate it.
- If you have multiple wins: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Qc9XG/if-you-win-the-same-game-multiple-times-do-this-to-avoid-becoming-a-rule-breaker-howto-fix
- If you have a VAC ban: blame Steam instead.
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If you have a VAC ban: blame Steam instead.
In theory, that one they can actually attribute some of to knsys- many users favor expiring time-limits or excluding cheat bans completely, but the current setup makes it so that most people only recognize the (exclude all vac-bans) checkbox at the top.
On the other hand, checking against trade and community bans should probably be hard-wired by default into any SGT check, 'cause that's definitely not on anyone other than the user in question. So I'll argue SGT has a bad setup there, as well, for opposite reasons..
Honestly, not sure why it's not against the core site rules, at that. :X
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I never use the VAC ban rule in SG Tools, I don't remember if it is still checked by default but it should be optional (and not recommended).
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it is still checked by default
No rules have ever been checked by default, as far as I've ever seen.
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I'm using SG Tools since day 1 (one of the first 5-10 giveaways created with this tool was mine) and I remember them marked by default, but now you make me doubt :P
Anyway, the "Never VAC Banned" filter should not be in the main list/most visible ones in my humble opinion.
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Considering how nearly impossible it is to get a community or trade ban unless you're an utterly scummy individual, there most certainly should be an option to filter for those, by default. But including cheat bans in with them is definitely a rather sharply contrasting addition, as cheat bans (as frustrating as cheaters may be to some site users) aren't near as inherently abusive and malicious, and, unlike the other two ban types, may even be accidentally obtained.
Big difference between 'horrible human being' and 'did something stupid and rude, or had a bad turn'. :X
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I agree, knsys should swap "Never VAC Banned" for "community" and "trade ban" filters in the main list. You can add these filters using advanced rules but not everybody knows how to use them.
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people can fix unactivated and (sometimes) multiple wins too.
besides, there's no penalty on sg for having bad wins except getting suspended (and eventually banned if someone keeps doing it), it's all made up by users with custom filters and morals.
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There's no way for SGT or anyone else [outside of staff] to check your suspension history. As such, there are no SG penalties (though repeat suspensions may lead to a permanent suspension- but arguing against that would essentially be arguing for anarchy).
As noted, if you're still breaking rules, then yes, clearly you wouldn't past SGT, because you're still misbehaving. If you feel your circumstances warrant special consideration, you can always ask the creator of a filter directly to consider making an exception for you.
SG is the most lenient entity toward rule-breaking that I've ever encountered, and even were you to want to argue against SGT, the fact is that the filters are based on custom preferences, many far more arbitrary, whimsical, or personal than rule-breaking. So not only does SGT not check anything aside whether you're currently breaking rules- something that's quite valid for it to do- it doesn't really matter what it checks, so long as it doesn't go against site rules.
In other words, you can't argue against site penalties, because in no perception of the word does such exist (outside of suspensions potentially leading to permanent site suspension, which again, isn't really valid to be argued against- especially considering how many times some users have managed to get suspended, even permanently, and have come back from such repeatedly, due to the exceptionally lenient policies allowing for such. Basically, unless you multi-account or otherwise severely exploit the site, you're not really at risk unless you really try hard at it.)
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SG is one of the least lenient sites I've ever come across. Almost any rule violation will net you a 1-7 day suspension, and AFAIK a permanent one will come at roughly three strikes, which is neither more or less lenient than any other site. On top of that, warnings don't exist - the FAQs and guidelines do not do a perfect job at explaining things and a lot of people receive their first suspension because they did not read the rules carefully enough. A warning would have been fine there. Because permanent suspensions are tied to your Steam account and multiple accounts are checked by IP, people have little incentive to misbehave on purpose because you can essentially be shut out for life. I don't recall any notice of permanent suspensions ever having been lifted.
Finally, admins will give standard penalties for any violation - for instance, I had a bundled $1 DLC win that accidentally caused me a multiple win because of a leftover issue from my first regifting violation (due to not reading the rules properly, which I was rightfully penalized for. Thankfully, the admins did reduce the sentence when I fixed the issue) which immediately gave me a 14 day suspension even though I wasn't even aware of the issue before it was too late. Of course I should've been more careful the second time, but it still felt completely out of place for such a minor slip that was mostly a direct consequence of the first violation.
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idk what to vote for since they don't have penalties that could expire. as others said sgtools is not apart of steamgifts though and it's a personal preference on how it's used. i personally don't care about old infractions, others may care and want to still exclude you. but i still use it to watch for anything halfway recent (within 90 days is what i typically look out for).
it is still possible to correct mistakes from the past, in some cases not very easily, but still doable.
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haha, so true.. didn't even notice that option. ^^
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I know not everybody likes the potato option but since there is no "This poll is inherently broken since it's based on a faulty assumption"-option, it's the perfect opportunity to vote potato without breaking a working poll. It's the perfect crime :D
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yeah i just overlook it cause i tend to take polls way more seriously then most. but when in doubt potato it, certainly makes sense to me. ^^
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I've made some stupid mistakes in the last year even - completely irrelevant to how I am now. I don't think there should ever be permanent penalties. It's super easy to change at the flick of a switch,
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If someone feels they are more responsible now than in the past, they shouldn't have any qualms about taking responsibility for their mistake.
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Hey everyone,
Some food for thought: Do you think that once sinned, you should remain a sinner forever? For example, if you've been banned for a week for some rule infringement, but then years later you still don't pass SGTools checks?
Let me know your comments on this.
P.S:
No giveaway for now, I'm pondering what to add.
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