It was at night. Most people don't exactly have night vision camcorders...
You can only see police lights and hear gunshots in the videos.
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There are videos of what sounds like gunfire that was posted shortly after the incident, but I haven't seen any actual footage of it.
Pretty sure it was posted in one of the first two reddit threads that were updating what was on the police scanner.
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Not sure, only partially paid attention while talking to somebody in the room this morning. Thought they were interviewing American teens who went to middle and high school with them in USA. Thought I heard it mentioned they moved to Boston 10-12 years ago.
But, what I really want to hear is when they nail the second one, and if they were sleeper cells sent in by a terrorist group. This could have been their practice run to show if they had what it takes for bigger plots.
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I think they only obtained citizenship in the last 1-2 years, but have been in the US for ~10 years.
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Dislike most liberals, dislike most conservatives, extremes are always bad, those are both extremes in my mind, I feel like there should be a happy medium...ehh whatever politics are terrible.
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Every time I notice this topic, I read it as Bastion Suspends Posted.
I have problems.
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And now he's not been read his rights. Cool. Someone should give the Boston PD a fucking medal....
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He doesnt need too. Since hes in the hospital i think. Then it will be determined if he is a immediate threat to the usa. If he is or knows something that could be, he will lose that right.
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I don't like exceptions to rules, and even less if they are determined by something so subjective as a threat to the USA
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I think its a good rule. Problem is the people in charge of determining that :P
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if you are deemed a threat to public saftey you dont need to be read miranda rights. also you really only need to be read rights at time of interrogation, since he was incubated at scene due to wounds he cannot be questioned and do not need to be read rights.
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Really? Geez, I thought you had to be aware of your rights,specially the 5th ammenment as soon as you were under police custody. Anyways, it takes like 10 seconds to read that, so well, it's kinda stupid not to do so.
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nope you can be arrested and detained without your rights read. now when it comes time to being questioned you are taken into a room sat down read your rights with a piece of paper you have to sign right afterwards before you are started to be asked questions. in fact even if you are not arrested and brought in just for questioning the same thing applies.
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Most countries don't grant "rights" to terrorists and spies.
Even a serial killer is entitled to a fair trial in a court of law but not terrorists and spies.
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Fact: Most often they just ask "Are you aware of your rights?" and regardless of the answer, you are, unless you happen to have more credible witnesses than they do. That, or "more money than God" also works. He has neither.
As the song goes... "Sad But True" Also, this is true for "Normal" criminals... IF he is allowed to live he may well end up "dead" but in a darker place than Guantanamo. cue conspiracy theories!
(and how many people realize that Guantanamo is in Cuba and what that implies...)
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It's bizarrely reminiscent of Robespierre's attempted suicide just before he was captured (and executed).
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As someone who gives blood at every opportunity, and someone who doesn't believe in the existence of an afterlife, I'm totally fine with them using it to make sure he goes through due process instead of getting out of life the easy way. I can always make more.
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I donate blood every time I can too and I would not object to my blood used to keep an acussed person whose life is at risk either.
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Good for ya :3 Though, you know, that thought was not about people who give blood routinely. I'd have to ask specific people there, who specifically rushed in to help victims. Which I think in the first place didn't really help any of these specific victims as I'd imagine hospitals had enough stock; but obviously helped to replenish said stock and was a good thing to do.
Myself, dunno. Probably wouldn't rush to give blood unless it was specifically called for by hospitals, and also wouldn't care where it ends up. I've donated a a few times myself and support the notion. Have not done that recently but that's just being lazy not any specific reason.
Now I used "specific" a lot. Guess what I'm saying is, blood is needed all the time, you may never know where it ends up but it's good to just donate in general.
It's just that people are proven to not even want to touch a sweater that is said to have belonged to mass murderer but has been completely washed (and in reality didn't even belong to such person in the first place, just a researcher's ruse to trick study subjects).
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You don't understand what I'm saying.
The OP's title says "caught with no rights." That means they caught him and he doesn't have rights.
To properly say that he was apprehended and was not read his rights, you need to say exactly that... "Caught and not read rights."
And to your political statement at the end: Fact of the matter is, he is a US Citizen and citizens can not be tried in tribunals.
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We aren't in class, you can calm down with the grammar fixing stuff, I don't know about you but I understood the thread title, why does everything have to be at book report grammar standards. This is the internet, this a a forum, no need for perfection, on top of that English is not everyones first language here if you haven't noticed by now.
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Older brother got in serious trouble with the FBI four years ago. Got let go. Russia warned us about him two years ago. Got ignored. The whole thing was completely avoidable if the government did its goddamn job and stopped screwing over Americans.
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To be fair, the government often ignores vital information and bad things tend to happen due to negligence.
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I would have to look into it more to know myself for sure, was just pointing out how the government can be total fuck ups really.
Not everything is avoidable obviously though.
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Yeah, but if someone wants to kill someone else, they will. That's why the constant "outlaw all guns!" from the most extreme protestors always makes me laugh, if someone wants to find a gun, they will find a gun, if someone "just" wants to kill someone else, they will. Bombs? You can find what you need at Home Depot.
The only way to avoid it like cowbell says should have happened, would be with more spying on everyone.
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I agree 100% with you.
Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns, I always though of this as common sense but some lack that it seems...chances are the bad guys will get the weapon no matter what, the good people won't and will be unprotected sadly. I can use a good example of this, weed is illegal....but many people I know somehow get weed, :-P.
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Did you miss the point that much? The point was just because something is illegal doesn't mean people that want it wont get it.
Seriously....oh my...
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Not exactly.
Certain things though that are pretty much harmless(Weed by example again, research says its much less harmful then cigarettes and alcohol) and things in a countries constitution like well guns should be perfectly legal(Obviously guns are not as harmless as something like weed, not saying that lol), I am against the government taking away more of our rights, they been at that quite a lot lately.
That is all, no not everything should be legal, thats just silly. I am having a hard time explaining myself here it seems, sorry for the misunderstanding though, sometimes my words come out skewed. Guns have been legal here for a very long time, taking away those now will anger a lot of people, look at prohibition, if anything that made things worse for the little time it was in effect. Abortion? Oh that wound up great when it was illegal also I heard(Sarcasm), but now I am ranting....so I will end on this note.
Point is, make guns illegal and only people that want to go on shooting sprees, rob places, murder people will have guns.
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Almost 2 years ago, there were no copycat shootings, and there hadn't been a shooting any time recently before it. There's also a significantly larger population in Europe, yet the death toll per year because of guns? Far, far, FAR less.
As for the shooting in connecticut? There were at least 5 copycat shootings, probably more, you lose count after a while. And it wasn't exactly a long time after the previous big one...
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Exaggerating doesn't really help when you're trying to make a point. It just makes you seem less credible when there's obvious contradictory information like that. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'd just suggest you not make absolute blanket statements like that unless you're actually trying to get people to point out that kind of stuff.
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Meanwhile in Europe, where guns are illegal
What? Are you sure about this? Because the laws in most European countries seem to disagree with the "illegal" part....
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South Africa has more strict gun control than the US, but has more gun homocides per capita. Gun control = more shootings, stats don't lie. Seriously, though, correlation /= causation.
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I've lived without a gun all my life. There sure are people here with guns but I do feel more safe that if every single human being was able to get one.
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Not saying its necessary but it is a right that people should have is all, if it makes someone feel more protected then thats great imo, for example some people live in some pretty shady areas...not the safest, cant tell you how many times some crack head tried to break into my house....
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Giving people guns to make them feel safer is like trying to estinguish a fire with gasoline.
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Not even gonna argue further, its all opinions, personally I think its in our rights and if they are banned only the criminals will have them....Your comparison to gasoline makes 0 sense to me though....but whatever, opinions right?
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I'm a little confused, you say that you'll feel more safe if everyone was able to get a gun, but you are against gun rights?
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I never said the first thing or at least I don't recall doing so. Could you please point me where I did?
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"There sure are people here with guns but I do feel more safe that if every single human being was able to get one."
I'm guessing you just made a typo on "do" then.
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Also because thousands of people get reported like that every year; they couldn't afford to keep constant spywatch on every single person who gets reported. All those cool spy toys cost money.
(It is unfortunately really really hard to detect and catch lone-wolf types who just plan something with their younger brother and nobody else -- at least, that's what this is looking like -- because unless they screw up, there's not going to be any evidence until the bombs go off. The idiots who blab about it or who try to join an organization are easy to catch; it's the lone nuts that we really have to be afraid of.)
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Actually, I just mean wiretaps and access to emails to scan for threats to the nation, it would be a matter of buying a supercomputer to analyze it, nothing else.
But like you said, "lone wolves" are hard to catch, and that's why they couldn't catch these guys, and why the OP in this comment-thread (or whatever we'll call it), cowbell, is wrong.
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Now I see why you are whining. The guy was involved with Assault and Battery four years ago when the FBI was involved. Had he been charged and sent away for years, it would have kept him out of the marathon and things would have turned out different.
The Russians warned us about him two years ago and no attempts were made to put him on a No-Fly list. He may never have been able to travel to various terrorist training camps or had to take great efforts to leave the country while being watched by the FBI had they done their jobs. That would also have changed the events we saw a week ago.
You should be better informed on past events instead of being angry with what people are saying.
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Sorry, but a first-time assault charge isn't going to carry much time, and from what I've read, we were asked for whatever information we had on the guy and then when we asked for reciprocation, we got nothing, so I don't see how that was supposed to tip anyone off. If you really think the government is so all-powerful and all-knowing that they can find and stop every lunatic who will eventually become violent, you're gonna have a bad time. These things happen, and they always will happen, no matter what anyone does to try and stop them. That's the nature of things. The world is not a safe place and never will be. Trying to place any greater restrictions on society than are already present will have a negligible effect on these incidents, if any, while it will begin even more seriously infringing on people's freedoms than they already do.
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Trying to place any greater restrictions on society than are already present will have a negligible effect on these incidents, if any, while it will begin even more seriously infringing on people's freedoms than they already do.
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Why is this part of the forums, I thought we are talking about video games.
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To quote wbarton (Support):
Congratulations on becoming a pariah in the community for crying about a topic you could have just ignored. The forum is for general discussion. Of anything. Just because you wish it was only game-related does not make it so. It just makes you a whiny, self-centered prick.
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That there are more idiots around the world that I would like to.
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That is disappointing that they didn't read him his right. Sure, he bombed people. Sure, people died. I am not saying those aren't atrocious and appalling, but still, he IS a US citizen. The government can't just decide he needn't those rights be read.
Believe me, this guy deserves to be murdered, but still, he has his rights, and they should have been read
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Agreed. The FBI/Police are setting a bad precedent by not reading him his rights.
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Clearly drug users should be categorized as enemy combatants in the War on Drugs
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You're confused about what a court is. You're not a court. Therefore, your claim that he threw explosives at police without justifiable cause can't convict him. United States law still has to recognize his natural rights until proven guilty in a real court.
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Once one person is an exception to the rules, everyone can be an exception. There is also no evidence at all to your claims. In fact, news sources are saying no connections to radical elements have been found yet.
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There has been a history of armed conflicts between both countries and terrorist attacks orchestrated by Chechens on Russian territory. I'd say that it's like saying Irishmen are not British. Sort of.
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