Why is my word choices having sexual intercourse with atrocious?
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unfunny despicable person.
Complains about Steam users not using tags as he wants them to be used
At least you really know a thing or two about being one, good :D
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While I agree with most of what you said (Other than Roguelike, atmospheric and psychedelic - Because their meaning has evolved to mean something more commonly used that we don't have another word for), it's funny that you're so against words getting a new meaning that isn't what they're meant to be - Unless that word is "fucking", in which case it's fine that it now means "very".
Looks like you just hate on some changes and embrace others arbitrarily, based on what you're used to
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'fucking' means 'very' in this context, you unfunny despicable person.
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Are we to understand that a tongue in cheek (but otherwise not discernibly malicious) play-on-words that you do not find humorous makes the person who made it a despicable human being? Despicable, as in "deserving hatred and contempt" (Google), or "so worthless or obnoxious as to rouse moral indignation" (M. Webster)?
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Or was your word choice here poor and inadequate?
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To clarify, I'm not questioning your usage of "fucking" here but rather your choice of "despicable".
Let me rephrase the question: do you think it's appropriate and warranted to call someone who makes a play-on-words with humourous but non malicious intent a despicable person?
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You do realise that instead of just conceding you made a bad word choice yourself, your claim (should it actually be taken seriously) makes you look even more ridiculous than the mild loss of face by admitting to the former? In fact, by contending that "despicable" is a fitting descriptor of the frivolous behaviour at hand, a strong term we normally reserve for grave moral, social or legal transgressions, you are diluting its meaning and trivialising its use--the very thing you accuse others of having done elsewhere. It is unfortunate you didn't think this through.
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Haha, I always think the same thing whenever I see people using that word as an adjective. Some nasty girl I went to school with many years ago posted a meme on facebook questioning why she was dumb most of the time, but when she was in the shower she was "f***ing Albert Einstein". And I asked why she'd dug up a dead man just to do that and wasn't she married? Didn't go down well.
But yeah there are a million other word in the English language, why does this one get used as a substitute for just about everything? Just laziness really, as it no longer has the same shock value people think it does, because everyone does it.
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Language is not static and video games' genres are made up categories that tend to be highly inconsistent, more of a rough indication of what you can expect to find when playing than anything.
Like what does action-adventure even mean? Walking simulators are not even simulators, and FPS was coined to separate the genre from the old name "doom clone".
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So.... literally every game's classified as "simulator" to you?
Battlefield 2? Simulator!
GTA 5? Simulator!
CS:GO? Simulator!
HuniePop? Simulator!
Cool.
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Is not very useful if you ask me, way too vague and wide, take a look http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4106
My point was that walking simulators is just a joke name, the genre is about telling a story mainly by the scenary and observation instead of character interaction, walking is nothing more than a tool used to explore like in many other games.
I'm not denying that FPS is meaningful and clear just pointing out that it was created mainly for business reasons and not because people tough the old name was dumb, you could also question why rogue-like is still being used when the genre obviously evolved beyond the original influense of Rogue.
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That just makes its existence even more innecessary, I don't see how that's a defence for it being a tag.
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My point was that walking simulators is just a joke name,
It was originally used by the 'these aren't games, they're awful!' crowd when examples of the genre first started appearing, as an attempt to insult the genre. Fans of the genre decided to appropriate the term for positive use, and here we are.
you could also question why rogue-like is still being used when the genre obviously evolved beyond the original influense of Rogue.
Rogue-likes are very precise and tend to stick very close to the Rogue formula. You're likely thinking of Rogue-lites, which is pretty much the exact point ambi was making (of people misapplying the Rogue-like label).
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+1 to that.
I haven't a clue why some people are thinking so archaically about language in the 21st century.
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The English language has become an international language.
It's got many versions of it. Things like Simple English have made this language so easy and accessible for everyone.
I'm also annoyed when people can't tell the difference between "his and he's", "then and than" and so on.
But English has become such a popular language that "preventing dilution and decay" is pretty much the equivalent of saying "I'm trying to prevent the death of Freddie Mercury".
The language has already diluted and it will get worse. Why? It's because it's an international language. More speakers means more foreigners that use this language as a secondary or tertiary language. These people are pushed into the internet, which in itself is mostly a platform in English.
English is no longer a language that's for English people and Americans (plus some other nationalities).
It's pretty much a multitool now that is the equivalent of what emojis were supposed to be. A language that has a low barrier of entry and understandable to as many people as possible. That means simplifying it to all hell.
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Lol, English is getting destroyed by native speakers since they are most likely the ones coining phrases and what not "aint i right?" lol.
English is not getting simpler, IT HAS always been.
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English has always been simple compared to most other languages, sure. But it was still a language that required skill to learn.
Now... I'd say around 50 hours would let you understand and speak English pretty well.
I did a bit of digging on your Steam profile and saw that you're from Mexico. I'm guessing that your primary language is Spanish? Maybe English.
Anyways, you're pretty close to the language and all, so maybe that's why phrases like "ain't I right" aren't as difficult.
But for us, here, in Estonia, these "simplified" words are doing quite the opposite. Most kids here don't know what "ain't" means, even less know how to write the word "ain't" with the proper apostrophe placements and so on.
Even you made the mistake.
A language is simple if you can pretty much master it without spending much time.
Most don't do that. Most still have difficulties with things like "then" and "than" or "his" or "he's".
They're the basics of the language and if they can't even do that, then they don't know the language, they can just speak or type or write well enough so that someone comprehends you.
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Im not saying that certain words are difficult, or easy. What Im saying is that the OP is blaming foreigners for dumbing the language, which is quite the opposite,
Indeed, my native language is Spanish, and the mistake you are calling is a conscious mistake as im too lazy to write apostrophes, my language has what are called accents like "áéíóú" or the "ñÑ" (alt + 160+130+161+162+163+164+165), and interrogation or exclamation marks are double (one at the beginning and one at the end ¿? !!) but im lazy to use those as well. Which basically reinforce my point lol. Language is destroyed by native speakers.
Point is, as difficult as English can be, its probably the easiest of all to learn, or at least the easiest within a reasonable big native speaker base. And the reason the language is degenerating is not because foreigners are too dumb to learn, its because natives are too lazy to do it properly.
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I remember where some dungeon crawlers or action rpgs were just called "Diablo clones"
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Action-adventure means... Indiana Jones. The Goonies. You know... action and adventure! ;)
Walking simulator was born as a jokey, derogatory definition, but was later adopter as a proper one. Happens often in art.
FPS are obviously not all Doom clones by now.
What I disagree with is ambidot's definition of free.
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Exactly.
Free with something can also be free. It depends on the buyer's definition of value. If, for example, Doom was $60 and worth it to the buyer by itself, and they found out that he'd also get a free DLC or some older game, then it's free, because he didn't pay extra for it and the original game's value was at least $60 in the buyer's eyes.
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I wouldn't necessarily make it about the buyer's eyes, more about what the price of the "main item" was/is/will be/would be without the free item.
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With video games and anything else that's digital, it's usually impossible to measure. Those things are usually tacked on to the main product. You could take the default price of a AAA game, for example and estimate from there, but it'd never give you a real answer.
Free with X isn't a term that's for the language, it's an economical term that is subjective to every customer.
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It's true it's hard to measure; your observations are right. I still disagree about the notion that "free with X" is always a subjective notion.
If Rockstar announced that, for the month of June, every purchase of GTA V includes a copy of Bully, isn't Bully objectively free?
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If you're buying GTA V for the sake of buying GTA V, then Bully is free. If you're buying GTA V to get Bully or both games, then it's not free.
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If GTA V's price stays the same during the promotion, Bully is just free, no matter how the buyer "feels" about it.
At this point I guess we can agree to disagree. :)
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You're talking as if people pay for the DLC. You're only partially right.
When I buy a bundle, then I don't pay for all of them. The whatever price that a bundle is, doesn't mean that its subjective value is so. This current HB has Clustertruck. If I buy the BTA tier, then I will only be paying for Clustertruck. That's the reason for my purchase. Getting those extra games there is a free addition, because the value in that bundle, for me, the consumer, lies in Clustertruck. So, those games are essentially free. That's economy.
Value isn't determined by companies, it's determined by the consumer.
These are extra items that you weren't intending to pay for.
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So if you're buying Clustertruck and you got something that you didn't intend to get in addition, then it's not free, but you paid for it without knowing it?
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This is the first time I've looked closely at your avatar. For some reason, it always looked like a hat to me. It turns out it's a segment of some kind of blue fruit, like an orange, except...blue. <ponder>
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It's a blue lemon, it used to be a green lemon over a year ago but I changed it because I got impersonated. I stuck with it because I liked it and I have yet to see someone else with a similar avatar.
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Yuck...did the guy get "caught" and/or flagged on SteamRep?
We could all use more blue lemons in our lives.
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I don't think so, the account continued to impersonate other users for some time and then went inactive, the guy probably has a little army of alts and abandons the ones that raise to much suspicion.
I might use that image for my farming accounts, seems fitting ;)
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You give modern people way too much credit if you think they will care to learn the meanings of words like that. With the way everyone is glued to their phones, shortening everything they type, and having computers fix all their spelling for them, I'm surprised they can even make complete sentences. Ever see the movie Idiocracy? We are literally heading there.
They now allow using spell check in school and they consider using "text speak" like r for are or IDK for I don't know, "evolution of language" and allow it in school. Have you seen the news? These articles are 10 years old already.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-11-13-text-speak_x.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1094174/Two-thirds-teachers-allow-children-use-slang-text-message-speak-school-tests.html
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2006/nov/01/schools.wordsandlanguage
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I believe it will happen. I feel that as computers, robots, and automation become more advanced, there will not be a need for as many educated people. As robots take all of our manual labor jobs and others that a computer can be programmed to do, like accounting, most humans will be unemployed and live off the government. There will still be a demand for smart people, but the demand will be much smaller and the laws of supply and demand will not have enough supply of education. Getting a basic education from someone other than your parents or a local basic home schooling group will be like getting into a prestigious college today and it will not be desired or obtainable by most.
I bet robots will take a large potion of the jobs within the next 10 years. It is already happening now. Almost every retail store (other than grocery stores) is going bankrupt from online sales and the online stores (Amazon) already have robots doing almost all of the work in the warehouses picking and shipping the orders. We already have self driving taxis from Uber and Google which will soon be fully automated with no driver behind the wheel. Uber is working with a bunch of companies including Bell Helicopter and an engineer that worked for NASA for 30 years to develop self flying taxis to transport people between rooftops in major cities. They want to be ready for test flights by 2020.
https://www.recode.net/2017/4/25/15422592/uber-flying-cars-vtol-network-2020-dubai-texas
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but weren't most people unable to read and write before 'modern people'.
i don't imagine the average peasant working the fields knew the difference between less and fewer
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Yes, but we shouldn't be going backwards. I just meant that in the last 10 to 15 years the average young adult has fallen behind in comparison to the previous few generations. I think it is caused by technology and it will continue to get worse as technology advances. Your brain is like a muscle, if you don't use it, you'll lose it.
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I'm sorry but I feel inclined to point out that, while I haven't seen the movie, even I understand it's an exaggerated parody of a portion of the way it is. It's not that no one wants to learn, it's that human progress results in certain things becoming easier thus making those certain things require less overall knowledge to be used. Auto correct and slang/shortening is exactly that. The reality is, as long as you can understand the person's message, there's no reason to berate someone else because of how they live their life(yes, this includes communication and is coming from a social inept person(in real life, that is)). English is even more excusable with slang and what-not because there's so many different variations of a single word that can be used.
In terms of text speak, I can't even type properly on a phone because it is, for whatever reason, difficult to hit the right keys consistently. It's very clunky. If text speak helps fix that problem and people can still understand me, then sure. Go for it. That being said, I don't really text.
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If you... scrap that I think I can put that a bit more broadly in your case You're gonna have a bad time.
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Because you're getting all riled up about something that is completely beyond your control and no amount of preaching is going to change that. I personally would rather be amused about it than annoyed.
"Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes
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Hah, I instantly thought of that song when I saw this thread.
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Your argument about roguelike tends to stem from confusion between roguelike and roguelite. Most games tagged are roguelite not roguelike.
The idea of a something free with purchase is correct. You are receiving extra goods or services for no extra cost, if you buy Dark Souls 3 and get an extra copy for free with your purchase, you haven't paid for the second copy. You haven't exchanged anything for the second copy, the price is fixed for the first.
Lets break that down, you buy your first copy of Dark Souls and you pay for it and get your second copy. Not free, you exchanged money.
Same scenario, you buy Dark Souls but this time they say they're out of stock for the second copy so come back. You come back and pay no extra and they give you the copy. Free?
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Human language is necessarily ambiguous, so I don't agree with everything in the OP. "Free with purchase" can indeed be seen either way, as free after some conditions are met or as just a part of the product offer that you have to purchase. However, you would do your finances a favor if you don't see it as literally free, because it's not intended as such. When marketing people create such an offer, they are not motivated by generosity. They are trying to make you buy their product. They are adding value to the offer, it's analogous to giving a discount on bulk purchases. Discounts are nice, but they are just another way how humans can be influenced to buy something they don't really need.
In general, it's very useful to think about the underlying intentions behind everything in the world. It inevitably leads to cynicism though :)
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Agreed.
While it's easy enough to censor vulgarity in a posting with a spoiler tag, that doesn't work as well in the header of a post. Try to avoid using such words in your header, please.
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I don't know, when I hear psychedelic, I think psychedelic drugs and then I think LSD and i think "Lots of colours when you close your eyes". So I think that at least fits ;p
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I think the problem with that is that most people who imagine an LSD trip like that are not talking from personal experience but because that's how shows like the Simpsons usually illustrate it. I haven't taken LSD so I have no idea how it feels and what kind of optical hallucinations you might have but I have read a bit of Timothy Leary's research about it and it seems to be a bit more complex and personal than that.
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I did, it really is just that for most of the time and for most people (that I know at least) ;p
It really depends on your mood and what there is in the room. If you limit yourself to just few stuff in the room, everything starts to become funnier and more colorful and it feels more like you went to planetarium for late night laser show, except this time you find it fun.
If there is too much stuff happening in the room, you get too many different "Stimulus" and the trip can go bad as you will freak out (less Stimulus, you know where you are, more stimulus, you freak out because you lose grip on reality and you are not enjoying yourself).
For someone who know how to enjoy it, just sits in the room, puts good vibe music and enjoys the ride. You will be able to see the music with your eyes closed.
As for the mood thing, its the same with alcohol. If you get drunk when you are happy, you will be happy drunk and if you are drunk when you are sad, you will be sad drunk. With LSD, it will just come up with what your brain will make you think of first - so good stuff when you are in good mood and stressful stuff when you are in bad mood.
Difference from alcohol is that you will sober out in few hours, you will feel relaxed, there will be no hangover and its hard to get addicted as your organism gains a tolerance for the drug and you should wait at least a week for it to have effect again, unless you are willing to abuse the amount you want to take. The minus is that you are pretty much out of it for those few hours and you are pretty much unreliable.
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You is lot true! Me imagine you correct and I want bravo you because your words. :B :B :B
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Nope, not agreeing with this crap.
There are no, roguelite tags on steam, go blame valve
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196 games properly tagged with "rogue-lite" on Steam, you're welcome. I own many of them and work hard to make sure these games get their proper labels.
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I´ll be the first to admit i dont look at tags, but everyone seems to go for the tag that includes most games
Just seems counterproductive, when no one needs to understand the genres.
For example Rogue Legacy who became wrongly tagged right on release.
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It's already really damn close with the current most popular tags "Rogue-like Platformer Indie Action 2D", and using a modicum of intelligence would help gamers figure out if it fits their style. Despite being incorrectly labelled rogue-like instead of rogue-lite, it isn't attacked for bad or misleading marketing - Rogue Legacy is a great game, regardless of how you label it. You know exactly what you are getting into based on the labels shown. Fairly certain no one would argue that it is not a platformer, it is not indie, it is not 2D, and it does not have action (those are obvious,even from the videos)...the rogue-like would help potential buyers infer it has randomly generated levels, permadeath(ish), or whatever other features are now nebulously associated with rogue-likes, but I agree rogue-lite would more aptly fit. Therefore I have a rogue-lite tag applied to it myself, but clearly not enough gamers care about the difference between rogue-lite and rogue-like with regards to Rogue Legacy to shift the visible popular tags.
I understand that.
You understand that.
Therefore we process information and make judgement calls like humans.
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Your choice of words, combined with the lack of punctuation and capitalization indicate that you need to calm down a bit.
I recommend playing a video game. (The genre is up to you ;)
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Edits providing additions and support:
'less' is a measure of informally non-countable quantity. 'fewer' is a measure of informally countable quantity. In short, if it's a concept theoretically able to be counted (such as apples), you should probably go with fewer. If it's an abstract, or something difficult to calculate (eg, less successful), then use less.
'free' means nothing material must be exchanged in return. "free with X purchase" is not free, and rather is conditionally free. Much like apples + flour = apple pie, you do not in fact have apple pie unless you're willing to meet all the conditionals. Ergo, 'free with' does not in fact mean 'free', it means 'can be obtained'. Much like other phrases with similar roots but different specific utilizations, 'free with' and 'free' are similar but unrelated concepts.
'roguelike' is a game with turns and tiles, procedural generation, and permadeath. if it doesn't have all of those, it's not roguelike. Steam tags are rarely entirely accurate because Steam is an endless parade of troll users and bad management decisions. Also, I disagree with rogue-likes being used as a label for both rogue-like and rogue-lite games- which is understandable, given that rogue-lite is such a vague genre now that rogue concepts have spread across most of gaming, that you can include most games within the rogue-lite label.
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'atmospheric' refers to the depth of atmosphere. While appreciation of implementation is subjective, the extensiveness of depth is not. Thus something is atmospheric when it contains a high quantity of components that contribute to a singular atmosphere (or "vibe").
'psychedelic' is an experience or medium eliciting an experience of altered perceptions, which is in fact always colorful or warped or kaleidoscopic or surreal shit. Heightened insights is often listed as a benefit of the use of psychedelic drugs (and of the perceptual changes they provide), and has been an intrinsic social concept tied to the engagement with such, but in no way directly relates the conception of psychadelia as it relates to drugs, art, music, or other applications.
'surreal' is 'not quite real', an experience based in the combination of dreamlike and realistic states, to form something that appears to have an internal logic different than that of the understood world.
'un-' is non-absolute. 'non-' is absolute. eg, unintelligent is lacking strong intelligence, while non-intelligent is lacking all intelligence.
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Actually, you're still wrong. Here is the only proper version
'less' is metfæt orgilde informally non-countable met. 'fewer' is mitta un−l¯æd informally countable andefn.
'free' andfengend nân n¯ænne lîchamlic must sîe exchanged hêanes efthweorfan."âlûcan wið ri tôbegietan" is wîelisc æt−bregdan.
'roguelike' is wýscan huntnað wið turns hwæðre tiles, procedural cnêow, ðêah−hwæðere permadeath. Heonu hit hê doesn't beneah benugon all orgilde ðâs, it's nâ roguelike. Hwâ keeps tagging realtime permadeath games oð roguelike ûtan smêocan is fucking ungewitlic.
'atmospheric' is arbitrary to neahhelîce fîllendenamian"yfel was immersed from derived hihting stêpan ' right to own or occupy land or connected with its occupation fulluht".
'psychedelic' is cyning sam medium eliciting wiðerbreca list un−l¯æd incûð insights, nâteshwôn ferhtlic colorful palendse warped sam surreal scitte.
'surreal' is 'dreamlike', cyning onfundennes wið gaps into flitcræftlic consistency.
'un-' is reversing. 'non-' is 'not'.
I don't know why we ever allowed English to evolve and change beyond that but it was obviously a mistake and "fucking atrocious".
I mean I get the point with some of them, where the difference makes things ambiguous and discussions more difficult. But what does the distinction between "less" and "fewer" add? How is it in any way useful to anyone? It doesn't provide even the slightest bit of extra info to the sentence, nobody is ever going to use it to find out if something is countable or no. It's needless complication and I for one am very glad we're getting rid of it. If you want to see what happens when a language gets too bloated with ridiculous arbitrary rules like that try learning arabic. I've spoken it all my life and yet probably still can't write a single grammatically correct paragraph because of all the special rules to keep in mind. We all still understand each other just fine as we ignore them, though :)
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your word choice is fucking atrocious
why thank you, i try.
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The lack of capitalisation is making me feel weird inside, plus the sentence structure needs some work. :/
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Roguelikes suck anyways, it's just devs being too lazy to design good levels.
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'roguelike' is a game with turns and tiles, procedural generation, and permadeath. if it doesn't have all of those, it's not roguelike. whoever keeps tagging realtime permadeath games as roguelike on Steam is fucking stupid.
I wish this was engraved on the moon with a laser or something like that.
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Well... remind me why people say put X in a PRE-heated oven.... an oven can only be unheated or heated. If you don't heat it before, you cant cook, so the pre is useless imo. might as well say put X in a heated oven.... right?
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With regard to cooking, the concept of "preheating" implies that the food is not inserted into the oven until the temperature of the oven attains a specific, preheated temperature. This is because the chemical reactions of cooking certain foods will differ if you put the food into a cold oven versus a preheated oven.
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but... you can heat an oven without food before too... so the label should read place food into a heated oven. doesn't that make more sense?
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"Pre" implies "advance or before". Most recipes call for you to preheat the oven while you are prepping the ingredients. It's usually the first step. :-)
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yeah, but instead of saying
put food into a preheated oven.
say
put food into a heated oven.
its the same thing. to heat an oven u need to switch it on. so the prefix is literally not needed....
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roguelike - It's pretty much the same as calling every FPS as "doom clone" or action rpg as "diablo-clone". Right now it's "catchy" and people will use it untill somebody will find better name.
other terms are arbitrary imho
But "free" ...- free is free and if you have to pay for it - It's no longer free. This is common in marketing and should be banned as providing false information to the customer xD
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Just dropping by to say that if you still use ''fuck*ng'' as an augmentative, your command of the language in question is probably not as good as you think or you need a smoking break ;))
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Why should your personal knowledge of a language serve as the arbitrary standard for everyone else? Maybe we should all communicate using the same vocabulary as the oldest living native English speaker. Or perhaps the English in use when she was your age? Odds are that she has changed and adapted along with the language.
Research the definitions of a few words in various dictionaries. You will find alternate meanings, differing usage, even conflicting grammar. Start with "mellow".
If you truly want to be taken seriously, correct your rant according to these rules.
If you want everything to stay the same, use a dead language. You will encounter lots of like-minded arbiters of those languages. Have fun amongst yourselves.
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