According to this article (Article posted Dec 6, 2018 as per the website, retrieved April 6, 2019 by the wayback machine) Supmatto made one of the videos leaking details of Borderlands 3.
But that same article today (https://mentalmars.com/game-news/exclusive-borderlands-3-leaked-details-by-the-know/) doesn't mention Supmatto at all. It smells very strongly of corporate lawyers and takedown requests.
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No one can send you "private investigators" and took your hardware + shut all down (discord, Twitter, Mailaccount and so on) if they haven't a legal reason and proofs of illegal things.
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Anyone can hire "private investigators", and if they have your address they can most certainly show up at your door.
Can they legally take anything? No. But they can attempt to intimidate you into handing things over, as was done here. If two large men showed up at your door and they're pointing out how your social media has just been nuked, there is legal action against you, and they may be acting in a physically threatening manner besides... that's intimidation.
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Unless you're in Canada. There's a weird part of Canadian law where a scumbag corporation can tell a judge "hi we promise we need this evidence for a civil case against this bad person and they are definitely going to destroy it if the court asks normally pinky swear" and then the judge agrees, and then some cops that are totally unfamiliar with the rarely-used law and the scumbag corp's lawyer, and a fails-at-life lawyer that supposedly represents the court and following the law can break into your home and take your stuff and all you can do is write a post on torrentfreak (https://torrentfreak.com/tvaddons-telco-bailiffs-enter-operators-home-over-unpaid-attorneys-fees-180614/) :/
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it's called spoliation, and all common law jurisdictions have such provisions. except, a nod and a wink won't do.
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That's also stupid beyond belief, because whatever they take can no longer be admissable in court. It is tained, because they had access to it (that's why police usually do it, as a third party), though i am not up to speed with whatever jurisdictions' regulations say in these matters.
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that's not true.
Whether something is admissible in court is a lot more complicated than that - and is very different in criminal matters and non-criminal matters
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his channel doesn't look... "huge".
I doubt Epic sent its mafia to a youtuber that has less than ~50k views on his videos
It's probably the goat mafia, leaked footage of the last attack:
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He was one of the Borderlands 3 leakers. One of those leaks might have really pissed someone off enough to abuse the 'justice' system against him.
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If something illegal happened police should be involved, but here we are, talking about internet drama
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If something criminal happened then police should be involved. Police don't give a crap about civil disputes.
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Yes they can. They can't send you the police if they don't have evidence or strong suspicions of wrong doings but anyone can pay a bunch of goons to go to your house and lean on you.
My girlfriend is a lawyer and you'd be shocked by the stuff people let companies, investigators, or just really anybody in a suit, get away with because they don't know their rights.
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but not only "goons" appeared at his house.
We talk from closed discord server, twitter and and and....
And all that don't happen without some activity from his site that don't give all the different companies a reason to handle it that way.
If i contact discord and twitter and say Mr. X is bad, they don't close your accounts and servers :-D
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If it's you or me, no, for sure. If it's some big dev or media company swinging their dicks around and making legal threats of copyright infringement, I'm pretty sure it doesn't take much for Amazon or twitter to roll over and show their belly.
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None will follow "wishes" that have, clearly, no basic (no reason).
And the story have now added the component that this guy should have leaked Borderlands 3 content.
From my knowledge (that isn't perfect) is this not legal. Would be a reason why they have something to show other companies that he done "bad stuff".[see the last comment in this thread from FateOfOne]
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"confirmed on their latest podcast"
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Your picture makes no sense as we're not dealing with a scientific theory here. They confirmed the identities behind the story they originally discussed without (at the time) identifying anyone.
They are conveying the story as they have it from Supmatto. You can certainly question if there is another side to the story, but there was nothing wrong with how I worded things.
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I am sure what he and i means are that we know one side and that can't be the full truth.
The real story is for sure more complex and that "complete innocent" one is for sure not complete innocent.
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The pictures meant to question the credibility of the source.
I tried to listen to it but couldn't endure more than a few minutes of that incoherent babbling. Could you please tell the time where specifically the part of "the corporations behind the attacks on him were Gearbox and Epic" gets proven?
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I didn't use the word "proven". It is Triple S reporting what they learned from Supmatto.
In the most recent podcast they talk about Supmatto and say that one just needs to look at his channel to see what game he mainly covers to know who is being talked about. Later they say that it could be the publisher, it could be the developer, but they wouldn't speculate.
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i heared now both podcast stuff and they have nearly no substance... nearly no facts .... and a lot of hypocrisis and a bunch of paranoia...
I would call the podcasts crap with so less infos.
(you can write the content of them with 3 sentences)
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I listened a bit to the podcast, and they start talking about what I suspect is Bethesda vs. Interplay after a little while, and if their fact checking in the context of these "private investigators" is on the same level as their BvI talk then... yeah not a reliable source.
They don't really give enough info about this case, and then they go on to quite grossly misrepresent facts in another case.
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but they wouldn't speculate.
except they very much did with
Later they say that it could be the publisher, it could be the developer
Worse though that you write it in the op and title as if it is a fact.
If you have no proof then there is the word "allegedly" that you need to add to your text/title.
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Ehy ! that channel looks reliable
Latest videos: cyberpunk, cyberpunk leaks, cyberpunk screenshots, Epic super secret conspiracy, unpack cyberpunk, more cyberpunk, witcher, micro-transactions are bad !, more cyberpunk
seriously, we know nothing about the game. how the hell do you make 10h of content?!
It's totally not baiting for views
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They have insiders in CDPR. They even have a co podcast with others where they've had people from telsorian games and CDPR on. Them and Mad Queen are your go to guys for cyberpunk.
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"Triple S League"
"supmatto"
Mysteries and conspiracies
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The hype machine for Borderlands 3 accomplished its goal and is now waiting for a new directive. thats all
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So we are supposed to believe a random youtube channel? Alright i guess.
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I've listened to the first podcast, and this thing does not make any sense to me, unless it takes place in some totally lawless country.
"They say, that they are not the police, and they let it hang for a for minutes..."
Even if at first, surprised, I would let them into my house (possibly assuming that they are the police), at this point the obvious thing to do is to tell them to get the hell out, and if they don't do this immediately, then call the real police. What kind of spineless creature I would have to be, to continue "for a few more minutes" to listen in my house to people, that obviously want to intimidate me into giving them some of my stuff, yet are not bandits?
This really sounds like someone is exaggerating. Sounds much more like a nice piece of demagogy, with so many emotions raised, that most people will not look closely at it's logic, which doesn't add up. It's just not, how those things are are being done, surprise and speed is essential, you don't let things to "hang for minutes" doing this job.
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What kind of spineless creature I would have to be, to continue "for a few more minutes" to listen in my house to people, that obviously want to intimidate me into giving them some of my stuff, yet are not bandits?
I would definitely not let them in the house at first because it's much easier to refuse access to your place than to chase several people away who don't want to go. Calling the cops assumes you have access to your phone.
Not saying the story is true because he doesn't have evidence but it's a plausible story and people just let other people get away with so much. Life is not a movie.
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If it was an issue of leaking things someone from the studio very well could of sent over someone from their legal team. They very well could of seized the social media accounts legally to investigate things.
It really doesn't sound like all the information is being disclosed by Supmatto. Of course it might because they legally can't disclose all the details, however if that was the case the last thing they would want to do is go on this podcast as it may have legal ramifications.
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Looks like Take2 sent private investigators to his home to question him and also filed 7 takedown requests with YouTube. It looks like they were upset about people getting leak info from twitch thumbnails from their/the dev's private streams. Later on 6 of those requests were no longer there and possibly retracted. Normally too many copyright strikes on YouTube will kill a channel outright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts9q5xvdEf0
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A week ago it was revealed that someone had sent burly "private investigators" to a Youtuber's home to intimidate him and try to secure said Youtuber's hardware.
Just today it was confirmed on their latest podcast that the Youtuber in question was prolific Borderlands content creator Supmatto, and the corporations behind the attacks on him (both online and offline) were Gearbox and Epic.
Supmatto's Twitter and Discord server are just completely gone, at least one of his email accounts is gone, and he won't be making Youtube videos anymore. Listening to the most recent podcast, the boys at Triple S League are clearly afraid of facing attacks (legal and otherwise), and are extremely circumspect in what they say.
This is fucking spooky and not ok.
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