I'm leaving this here overnight. I've made a thread like this before IIRC but it was like a year or two ago, so here I go again. I actually ended up forgetting about the thread but I want to get back into playing RPGs, both the popular 'classics' and the hidden gems.

I'm thinking something like FF9(only FF I've played, never beat it), Chrono Trigger/Cross, Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age(story / music), Mass Effect(Sci-Fi RPG, but still). Those are the examples that popped in my head as I write this. I LOVE games with amazing atmosphere, environments, music and story. Gameplay is a "meh" point for me since gameplay is easy to ignore, depending on the difficult and style. Graphics is a bonus for me, so don't think I'm a stickler for graphics.

Was playing some One Way Heroics Plus a few days ago and dayum, that is a fun game. The music and atmosphere is great! I also enjoyed the FUCK out of NeoPets : The Darkest Fairie for the PS2 when I was a kid. Yes, I'm serious. That game was the shit. It was such an enjoyable and overall well-made game. I feel like it's pretty obscure and underrated(redundancy?) too. Also, yeah, fuck being used for emphasis. I'm great, I know!

Anyways, any suggestion is great! If you want an obligatory giveaway, then... I 'unno. I'm kind of broke. Maybe I can get a few dollars towards a bad rats or something. Who knows.

EDIT: Just to point it out, the suggestions are going onto a notepad note for future reference. It's up to me whether I decide if it's worth the time and money to seek out the required consoles and games but unfortunately that's pretty difficult to do so. If the games are on PC, that just makes it all the more convenient. So, TL:DR, I don't own any consoles or portables.

EDIT2: I'm not condoning or admitting to piracy, and emulation technically isn't piracy(in the same way that torrenting isn't piracy itself). I'm simply looking for games to play. Some options for affordable consoles (market-value isn't affordable, $300 is a lot) would be helpful but, y'know, accessibility.

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Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky, definitely. Keep in mind that it ends on a cliffhanger, but I heard the sequel is amazing as well.

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Definitely play this, I haven't played the sequel yet but I loved the hell out of the first game and all my friends who purchased the second game said it was definitely what they were waiting for!

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Yeah, it's been on my wishlist for a while now. Seems like a callback to older games.

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Fallout. /thread

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Heh, I'm all burnt out on Fallout for a while now. a few hundred hours mixed between FO1,2,3 & NV.

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Pokemon and Xenoblade Chronicles are must plays in my book.

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Not into Pokemon but is Xenoblade Chronicles on PC by any chance?

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I believe you can emulate it, but no official release on PC.

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Well, dang.

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I thought that the Wii U only had the sequel, Xenoblade Chronicles X. I know you can play it through backwards compatibility, but I'm not aware of a new release of it for Wii U.

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Secret of Mana
Illusion of Time
Divinity Original Sin
Pillars of Eternity

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Definitely going to play Divinity Original Sin soon, not sure if I can run Pillars though.

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Use save! Often!

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I heard the gameplay depends on potions a lot, is that true? Any suggestions as to how much I should stock up on?

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I have not finished the game yet. I pick up every potion but rarely use them. The best thing happen to my party was my mages lerning summon elementars. They soak just so much damage.
I think you most probably will have to restart the game after finishing act 1 for the first time, just because you have choosen wrong characters or skills.
There are situation like "You found my secret trap - now you are dead - harhar" and you party dies. So as mentioned above use save. And if you play coop, you really have to trust your partner not to confuse quick save and quick load :/

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Gothic series, Drakensang, Risen maybe.
Similar to Baldur's Gate: Divine Divinity, Icewind Dale.
If you want something similar to Mass Effect, Alpha Protocol is the way to go. It's really a good time to grab a copy at the moment with all the coupons around. Just trust me with it's RPG elements. You won't be disappointed.

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Its a mix of Mass Effect 1(character stats) and Deus Ex:HR(gameplay). You just need to get used to shooting( focus on an enemy to take it down in 1 hit or spray & pray) and the minigames(the hacking one is hard for most players).
But the writing is solid and it has a lot of gems though to catch them all you will need several playthroughs.

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Well it can be played stealthy and its helpful for most of the missions. My way of stealth play is just to put silencer on a pistol and do 1shot kills though if I recall correctly there are 2 or 3 missions where they put stealth as mandatory(do the objective before they sound the alarm). Still if you can kill everybody before sounding the alarm will work too.

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Think of it as the shooter-oriented gameplay of Mass Effect 2 and the overall conspiracy-oriented theme of Deus Ex 1. To confuse you a little more. Just never try to play it as a stealth game, because while it offers something like that, those mechanics were never implemented properly.

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Be ready for one thing though: the social aspects are immensely intricate. You have to rely on a good number of people throughout the story, and they all react differently to how you act or speak. Combat is relatively straightforward (hence my ME2 parallel), but the talky bits are probably as close to the complexity of actual human interactions as I ever saw in a video game, including most visual novels.

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You can, and you can complete the game in such a way if you want. The freedom in that aspect is similar to the freedom in gameplay in Deus Ex 1. But there is much more depth to discover than that. Still, one option is to play the super egoistic cool guy professional, and there will be people who will appreciate such manners as they think that straight-to-business/no-emotions-attached demeanour is theperfect one for that line of work.

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Also just for a warning: you are on a timer to pick response so be quick :D

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Haha, an awesome tip indeed. I don't even remember how many times I missed the chance to say something :)

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Well I like the idea of it since it doesnt break the flow. Its awkward if you just stare there for 5mins without picking a response xD

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What, you mean that's not real life??? Ooops.

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Gothic Series is mostly a no-no because of a few reasons.

Gothic 1 barely works because of compatibility issues and there seems to be no real solutions. The whole "run in compatibility mode" doesn't always work. I'm running 8.1 and I ran it in compatibility mode for XP, constant crashes consisted. Was a shame since I got to the part after the vision.

Gothic 2 works 100 times better than Gothic 1 but the bigger issue is with the expansion, which apparently ramps up the difficulty by a ridiculously unfair amount. I mean, I faired pretty well in Gothic 1, especially since it was heavily stat-based (armour being pretty much required for everything, as well as damage capabilities). Ignoring that, the game has some really weird paths, and very exploitable(such as doing as much as you can before choosing a "side", then going for town guard, easiest way to get past the first part of the game and get some decent armour/weapons, especially since there's a way to get into the town guard quicker than usual). There's also the issue with bad controls in both games. The guy by the inn down by the docks is just overall bullshit, especially since without armour in both games human enemies tend to 1/2 hit kill you and blocking is horrible to try and understand. Oh, yeah, then there's the ridiculous fall-damage at short heights. I have much to say about both games. Other than nostalgia, I don't see how it's praised as one of the better classic RPGs.

Drakensang, I bought it a little while ago. Going to try it out. Risen is the same deal and I heard it's a spiritual successor that is a lot easier, both in control and difficulty.

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Well yeah. your points are pretty fair, I suppose. That said, Drakensang and Risen are both from the school that Gothic started. This classic-German RPG type. They are hard indeed, and there is not much story to focus on, but what they really offer is a unique gameplay experience. As a classic RPG fan, I can say that I really enjoyed them.

Oh, and also from the same school, I will not even mention Severance: Blade of Darkness as it's still a bleeding wound deep within me. The most underrated game in video game history.

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Gothic, one of my favorite games.

Operation Doppelganger

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Golden Sun series is one of my all-time favorites

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Any of them on PC?

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No, but since you mentioned emulation... Gameboy Advance emulation is nearly perfect, most games work flawlessly.

Just note that Golden Sun is one of the series that divide players. I found it extremely tedious myself.

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All I know is that the gameplay is pretty unique-ish and the story is brilliant.

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The first Suikoden game is awesome its for ps1 huge roster of chars to collect u can get like 108 of em I think, 6 person party. You start as the son of a famous soldier and....... another one is Ni No Kuni i'm not ashamed to admit that it made my cry a couple of times such a great game the story is touching

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So, I'm assuming it's not on PC :P. I think I might have another way to play PS1 games and I think that game is on my list. I still love the Genso Suikoden II - Carried on Rippling Waves song. It's an example of how video games tend to inspire amazing pieces of work. You wouldn't hear that out of anything else.

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Resonance of Fate
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
Star Ocean: The Last Hope
Folklore

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The games that are console-exclusive(or seem to be) really annoy me. It'll be a long time before I get back into consoles. I still have to at try Kingdom Hearts, to name one of a million examples.

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Kingdoms of Amalur is also a PC game. You can buy it on Steam.

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Kingdoms of Amalur is on PC, and is highly suggested by me.

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Got it for free from the Origin On The House. It's on my download backlog queue.

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Is it still on the house? I'd love to have a copy on PC!
Lost my PS3 copy a while back but still want to play it

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Nah, it was around a year-ish ago.

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Check the RPG Codex' Top 50: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/rpg-codexs-top-50-crpgs-results-and-reviews.89680/

I'd recommend simply starting from the top of the list. But here's my top picks for story/athmosphere:

  • Planescape: Torment. The gameplay is similar to Baldur's Gate, but with more focus on the story.
  • Baldur's Gate 2. Widely considered to be far better than the first one. So if you liked the first...
  • The Witcher series. Dark fantasy. Can be slow at times, but overall worth playing.
  • Alpha Protocol, if you like spy movies.
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All of those are on my "pending / in progress" list. I stopped playing Torment because it's such a bother to play. BG2 I'm stuck at a certain part of the game, and I can't beat the Red Wizard Enclave in the city. Annoying fight. Beat Witcher 1, but can't run Witcher 2 or 3. Alpha Protocol is being downloaded

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Baldur's Gate. Icewind Dale, and Planescape: Torment :)

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Still need to try Icewind Dale... Which is apparently linked to Baldur's Gate? Still need to finish Torment.

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Icewind Dale is RPG-lite. Like Baldur's Gate, but heavier focus on combat and puzzles.
I wouldn't recommend it if you're looking for a good story.

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Eh, really? That's a shame. I suppose I could still try it.

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Same universe (Forgotten Realms), but that's about it.

If you haven't, try Neverwinter Nights instead. You can safely skip the entire base campaign of NWN 1 (it… is… terrible) and play the two expansions (they form a separate, linked story and the first one acknowledges its own status as an own product so much that it practically offers a tutorial for newcomers thinking they never played the core content of the game before). NWN2 was made by Obsidian, but it's better. (Unlike that colossal fuck-up they made as the sequel of KotOR.)

Speaking of Obsidian, there is Arcanum for those who want story (imagine an incredibly complex web where all cross-sections are quests… that is how Arcanum's story and world is written). Vampire: The Masquarade – Bloodlines, if you want it in 3D (needs time investment to make it run though.) Temple of Elemental Evil, if you want it fight-oriented (the beginning looks like a standard cRPG-lite, but 90% of the gameplay is actually one gigantic dungeon). South Park: Stick of Truth if you like the show (yes, it is a cRPG and a good one at that), Pillars of Eternity if you want Baldur's Gate 1: Very Grim and Even More Gritty Edition. (How gritty? The first town you visit welcomes you with a tree with three dozen hanged people on it.)

And, of course, there is Deus Ex, if you skipped it for any reason.

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I actually kind of like Neverwinter's campaign :P. I thought the point of the expansions was to start a new (which I figured out after destroying the first expansion with my main hero)but then there's also the player- content.

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Betrayal at Krondor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJGcKhPQAzs awesome first person RPG from back in the day

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Might be a bit too classic for me. I still can't get a firm hold of Daggerfall.

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I'm surprised no-one's mentioning the PS1 god titles. Tales Of Dragoon, Grandia, the Wild Arms series, and Suikoden. 2 is better than one but the whole series is pretty good

These are all necessary to at least try if you want to call yourself an RPG fan.

Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia if you have a dreamcast/gamecube sitting around.

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While the Playstation series (up until 3) is what I grew up with, I missed out on A LOT of games. I tried the first Wild Arms and, damn, it's pretty simplistic compared to a ton of other games. I should try it again. The story also doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but eh. Suikoden, Dragoon, and Grandia are on my "to-do-list" albeit I have so many games I need to play on Steam itself that I'm filled to the brim with backlog. All of those games are pretty damn long, too. I'm getting older and I'm currently going to college and I'm going to be getting another job(hopefully, albeit a dead-end job, that's a whole 'nother story). So, yeah, my biggest issue right now is time. I'm going to be compiling a list of games to keep in mind.

I think the biggest issue is dedication to time, and being able to legitimately play the games. To be blunt, I would probably emulate the games, especially since getting an older console is becoming more and more unrealistic as the days go on. It's sad but true.

EDIT: Also, Skies is a bit difficult since even the gamecube emulator (dolphin) is pretty odd to try and get working and even then, a lot of the ROMs don't work too well, IIRC.

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Here's an oddball one for you, and it goes WAY back. Like, 1991 back.

There's an old CRPG by Brøderbund — at their height, they had games like Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego, you may have heard of it. Anyway, they made a single RPG game, it didn't sell as well as they hoped, so it never got big. The company doesn't even list it on their catalog. If you're looking for a definition of abandonware, this is it.

The game's called The Dark Heart of Uukrul, and it has some interesting differences. For starters, there is absolutely zero sound — and this came out when everyone was going nuts making that tinny little PC speaker spit out recognizable music and sound-effects. So this game won't bother you with annoying sound. Play your favorite music in the background.

Next, you can use the pre-gen characters (which aren't bad), or make your own. To do so, you have to answer a set of questions for each character, and the questions change based on prior answers. It's not clear how some answers affect the results, so just go through and pick the answers that you like.

The game switches between 1st-person dungeon-crawling, and overhead combat. Placement counts; you can move in all 8 directions, but only attack in the four cardinal ones. Some spells have to actually traverse the space to their target, meaning a wall can block them. (Sometimes you can get lucky and make a flame-bolt spell curve past a corner, but don't rely on it.)

Items can be used in numerous ways, and sometimes you might find yourself having to guess. A flask of bubbling liquid might be a vitality potion... or acid. When you try to use it, you can drink it, pour it on the floor, or throw it at an enemy. By the time you can reliably (via magic) identify items, you'll be very thankful for the ability.

It's not all map-filling and monster-bashing. You have to find keys, decrypt ancient writings, find plot coupons, solve puzzles. And the puzzles. There is one where they literally turned a section of the dungeon into a crossword puzzle. The map itself is the puzzle's grid, the clues are written on the walls, and the answers open secret doors.

Here's the big kicker. Characters will die. Drag 'em to the temple, see if they can be revived. Your chances get worse the longer you take to get there. If someone's gone for good, just go to the tavern (it's next door) and recruit a replacement. They might be a level lower, and they'll usually have slightly different stats, but all the gear passes to them. If your entire party dies, someone drags the whole group to the temple and revives whoever fell last. Then it's up to you to try to revive the others — if you're lucky, one or two more will make it.

Don't let character death stop you. If someone dies, hire a replacement and keep going. You'll get plenty of time to get them caught up in levels, and before long you'll forget about the old character. The time I beat the game, I probably went through half a dozen parties by the time I got to the end.

No one sells this game any more. Not Steam, not GOG, not Origin. Not the original publisher, they don't even admit they made it. Look it up on your favorite abandonware site, because it truly is abandoned. But it's worth finding if you want an old-school game with some novel differences.

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Sounds pretty interesting. Probably something I'd be staring blankly at to try and figure out but, hey, I could dig it. Abandonware is iffy to try and find since a lot of your average websites tend to be, well, virus-infested. I'll look at some point.

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Try here.

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how about the Breath of Fire series?

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That's something I need to look into but it's similar to Dragon Warrior/Quest in terms of "what it is", right? Eh, I'll try and check it out.

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From what i've read, in Dragon Quest you are just a warrior. In Breath of Fire the protagonist ist a descendant of the "Dragon Clan", which gives him the ability to use dragon powers.

Plus there's some cool fusion mechanics in part I - III, which also allows you to alter your party members and not only "dragon boy".

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I was a bit vague in what I meant. What I meant is how the games are structured. I might just be talking bollocks.

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Yup, hero, who has companions, hunts down an evil Dragon/Demon or something.

omg it's all the same :D

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I get that impression from the older FF's too. The story might be good but the gameplay is pretty much identical :P

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I would call it "best practice". 20+ years back game development was different from today, you acually had to know the hardware to run games efficiently. Why starting from scratch again, when you end up doing the same thing, so you take your source code, change the art work, texts, etc.

What makes all those classics awesome is the well thought out enviroment/universe they take place in.

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Persona or the Shin Megami Tensei series

played the shit out of Persona 3 back in the days

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Yeah, maybe I should try those games out. They seem a bit too anime-y to me but that's me being judgemental.

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In that case, you might want to start with Persona 2 or Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne. Those are less 'anime' than Persona 3 & 4.

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It's not that I'm against it or uncomfortable around it, I'm just "inexperienced" with anime and the like. It would be odd to me. Imagine Dead Space but anime, for example.

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I'm a fan of just about any Square Enix RPG..

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They have been known to be apart of some great projects.

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A lot of good suggestions. I really enjoyed Ultima VII.

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Pretty sure that's one of the GOG freebies. It's a bit odd for my tastes, albeit it's hard to get into.

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I believe Ultima IV is free. I enjoyed U7's game world and atmosphere. Lots of exploring :) Best of luck finding your next RPG to enjoy :D

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An old classic that hasn't been mentioned yet: Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura.

New RPGs in the classic style:
Wasteland 2
Divinity: Original Sin
Pillars of Eternity
Expeditions: Conquistador
The Shadowrun series

I'm sure there's more, that's all I could think of right now.

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Expeditions is a new one, should probably check that out. Arcanum I've heard of but I don't think I know what it is. All I know is it's highly regarded as being good.

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Arcanum was probably the best game made by the dev team that calls itself Obsidian now (was Trokia back then, Black Isle before that). Gameplay mechanics aren't really polished (picking some skills can render the game more or less unwinnable, while there is one certain that turns you practically undefeatable), but the story is so complex and has so many huge and intricate side-plots that most any first-time players literally get lost in it and restart the game only to untangle the mess they navigated themselves into. (It is tricky, because almost no towns let you finish all quests you receive within themselves, but travelling to a new location will get new quests, and failing to take them at the appropriate time can result in losing entire mission lines. If you ever needed a game that wanted you to make notes and not because of the ridiculously cryptic messages like in Ultima, then Arcanum is your game for sure.)

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Eh... That seems a bit over the top. I hate games that force you to rush, I just hate it. I don't think I could handle that.

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There is no global time limit, but the towns themselves have a scripts set up to mimic routines. The most commonly known example is that to get the dog companion (who has an insanely high melee skill), you pretty much have to do a beeline when you arrive at the city the mutt originally lives at or he dies. All of this is more geared towards replayability, letting the player take different routes and discover different things. As I said, the entire plot is very web-like, and it is impossible by design to visit each line of this thread in one play through. Especially with its quite unique map design.
Give it a try, really. It is a frequen visitor on best cRPGs lists, with good reason.

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Gosh I love Shadowrun ( from Harebrained Schemes , never played old games) . Liked how they all were pacted with content and there wasnt really a dull moment or a grind in them. Well at least on Normal there isnt.

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Avernum: Escape From the Pit - http://store.steampowered.com/app/208400/

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Played it, never completed it. I got lost at some point and gave up so close to the end. :P

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Try the Geneforge saga, maybe you will like it better.

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Play it again! And then play the sequel http://store.steampowered.com/app/337850/

I personally really digged it

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Yeah, I gave up on the sequel too. I think I goofed up the storyline or something like that(e.g. when you have to invade the castle in the other race's lands, and you... have to jump off the roof I think? I quit at that point and didn't continue because... Not sure why. The series overall is pretty underwhelming, to be honest.

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Swords and Serpents - NES (Can be played online via emulator even, last time i checked, search it)
Wasteland 1 - DOS(?)
Wasteland 2 - Windows XP to 10 64-bit. (A pretty new game, but made in an old-school way)
Fallout 1 & 2 - Windows.
The main Pokémon games - Nintendo handhelds.
The Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games - Nintendo handhelds.
Any/All of the games made by Spiderweb Software (i.e. Avernum and such) - Multi-platform.
The Dragon Quest / Dragon Warrior series - Various consoles.
The Lufia series - Various consoles.
Neverwinter Nights 1&2
Icewind Dale
The Wizardry series - Various consoles.
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup - Free.
Battle for Wesnoth - Free, Open Source.
Knights of Pen and Paper +1
Neo Scavenger
Talisman
The X-Com series.
Sword of the Stars - The Pit.
Tales of Maj’Eyal - Free, Open Source.
The Ultima series.
Akalabeth - World of Doom.
The Fire Emblem series - Various consoles.
Bravely Default - 3DS.
Bravely Second - 3DS (EU release on the 26th, NA on April 15.)
The Etrian Odyssey series. - DS, 3DS.
The Disgaea series - Various [Playstation only?] consoles.
The Phantasy Star series - Various consoles.

PS. If you are interested in GB/GBC and GBA[+SP], there are a lot of hidden RPG gems to find, especially if you know japanese (though a few games have finally started getting proper translations, like the GB Wizardry games).

PS2 (not the console XD). RogueBasin contains a lot of both completed and WiP roguelikes, as well as info, since it is a wiki, but most of the games are free / have a download/website-link, or [the author website] can be easily found in a search engine when one knows the name of it.

....yea, i kinda just threw a lot of games out there, not sure how well they fit and i'm probably going to recall a few more, but hopefully i can be of some help :3

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/259130

and +1 for Neo Scavenger.

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The original Wasteland's difficulty is a brick wall, though. It's hard to figure out what is what and where you're "supposed to" go. I had a damn hard time getting the game itself to run. I hate the DOS program.

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Wow, yeah. That's a lot. I'll have to sift through that and put the console games on my list.

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Almost forgot...

Cthulhu Saves The World!!!

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Already played it. It's fun but it gets very goofy.

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Diablo II.

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Diablo has a story?

They were great hack n slash games, but not exactly the kind of "classic rpg" RobotDeathParty is after.

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Yeah, especially since I've played a few diablo-esque games(Torchlight 1 & 2, Dungeon Siege 3, CD-copy of Dungeon Lords, the ORIGINAL Dungeon Lords). They tend to be more gameplay-focused than story-focused.

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don't get me wrong, I played a shitload of Diablo when it came out, and even my sister played it (that and Heroes of Might and Magic 3), but I wouldn't recommend it for the story.

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Well, it's not the best history on an RPG, but you can get a lot of info talking with all the NPC's you can.For example, Deckard Cain will tell you the history of the Horadrim, how great they were in the past, and their relationship with the archangel Tyrael. It's a good lore, if you have time to read xD

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Another good RPG is System Shock 2.

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Already played it but looking to try SS1.

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And waiting for the remake and SS3, right? :D

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Eh, depends. A remake of SS2 could be good but SS3 would be a game from scratch.

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I mean, there is a remake for SS1 on development ;)

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I can't recommend Wizardry 7 & 8 enough
Wizardry 6-8 form a trilogy, although the story of 6 is completely separate. It's an ok story, with some interesting quirks, but I wouldn't recommend playing 6 other than as part of a grand epic to start 7 or 8; it just isn't as good. 7 and 8 have very good lore, setting and story. It's an odd mix of science fiction and high fantasy, that works.
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/31551/

I mean, just look at the play time people have put in:
http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=11235
http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=11236
http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=11228

Of course, this doesn't include replaying it to choose a different side and to get one of the alternate endings, or to try out a different party mix (11 races, 14/15 classes; party of 6).

7 is, in my opinion, the pinnacle of old-school party-based cRPGs. If you like the old Ultima, AD&D or Might and Magic games (or Grimrock, for that matter), this one beats them all. It's somewhat open-world, in that you can go anywhere at any time, and do everything out of order. . It also has something quite unique, even today. You need to find a number of map pieces. But, you're not the only ones looking for them, and if you take too long, you may find that someone else already took a particular piece, and you then need to track down whoever currently has it - and not only does that npc move around, the npc can also trade it with another npc, or could have it stolen. Which, btw, can also happen to you, and merely asking around about the other pieces can put your own at risk.

8 is a very good swan-song for that style of game, incorporating some modern elements (e.g. movement like an FPS, has enemies that scale, true 3D maps). The story is also very good, and does a better job of blending sci-fi into its high-fantasy setting.

6, on the other hand, is IMO entirely skippable, but which ending you choose affects where you start in game 7, and some items acquired in 6 have special use in games 7 and 8. But really, I only play 6 for massive marathon sessions - and completing the entire trilogy takes months. But if it's your first time playing, you should probably go straight to #8, which is the most accessible for modern-day players. Just keep in mind that perma-death is a thing in this series, so save often.

On a related note, Wizardry 4 is undoubtedly the most difficult RPG ever created, but that's a different story altogether.

TL:DR these are great games and you should really play them, especially if you like old-school RPGs. First playthrough, maybe skip #6

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I've had my eye on them for a while. I'm not very excited to play any of them, if I ever buy them. They are, well, classic old games. From what I understand, they really haven't aged a lot and unless you're used to those types of games they won't be fun. Daggerfall, for example, was ridiculously tedious to me.

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There is a certain amount of tedium involved, that's true. But, in my opinion, it's no worse than in, say, fallout 3. 8 is probably better in that regard, and you should probably play that one first. It's not as good as 7, but it is more modern, which makes a difference, and it isn't quite as grindy. But, once you get the hang of the gameplay, you'll probably be sucked in already.

Besides, with it being regularly on sale, the price isn't bad at all, so if it's a loss, it's not too bad.

Pro-tip: by the time you make it out of the monastery (where you start) and onto the road to arnika, you should know if you'll like the game. Don't let the road to arnika discourage you. It's undoubtedly the worst part of the game, and unfortunately one of the first things you encounter, but if you liked the gameplay and the story in the monastery, just slog through it, it'll be over soon

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Is it that the area is a big difficulty jump?

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No, it's just got a balancing issue. The enemies don't scale correctly there, making it much harder than it should be. Just save a lot and don't be afraid to run. also, hug the side of the mountain, so you can't get flanked

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Chrono Trigger and FF6 are my two favorite games. I've seen mixed reviews of the FF6 on Steam. There are emulator versions of both around, and I'm not condoning it - simply stating it.

Playing them back when they originally came out was absolutely magical. I think they still hold up, given the difficulty and amazing music. I very much enjoyed the stories of them both, as well.

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It's not that I'm condoning emulation (which, technically, isn't piracy in the same way that torrenting isn't piracy itself)but it's all about technicalities. Point me to decently priced consoles + games and I won't make the argument of, well, cost. Accessibility is a big issue these days, especially since they don't sell older consoles in big stores anymore.

Also, yeah, played Chrono Trigger. The issue with the FF series is how broad and varied it is. FF7 is regardless and both the best and the worst FF, so is 7, 8, etc.

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Re: first paragraph - I just didn't want to get myself in trouble if they frown upon that type of discussion here. You never know ;-)

I liked 7 for what it was, but I don't find it as great as everyone else seems to. I think it holds a special place in a lot of people's hearts because it was their first one. It was the first one that had HUGE exposure. I played them from the first one as they originally came out, so I have seen a few more of the games than some people have. (I know that doesn't make me "right", I'm just giving info.)

Sure, I might like 6 more for the same reason that people like 7 (nostalgia), but I think it's a better game. Very long storyline, horrible big bad, 12 different characters who all play differently (and 2 hidden characters), the game turns completely open world at the halfway point, and some other things I could mention but don't want to spoil.

I can't recommend FF6 enough if you have ~40 hours to kill.

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IIRC, you're not allowed to provide sources, kind of like posting links in Twitch chats. I just didn't want to come off as somebody who only pirates and the like. I'm not that desperate. :P

I've only played FF9 but I've seen FF7 videos / streams and it's... Different. FF9 just seemed like a quintessential fantasy-adventure-esque game. Not to mention how big the world was and how many hidden stuff there is (still no idea how to get the item at the cave where, Vivi I think, is prior to the game, close to the kingdom at the start of the game).

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It's been ~15 years since I played FFIX, so I don't recall a ton about it, other than I really enjoyed playing it. VII and VIII definitely had a modern feel to them. They were fun as well, but they seemed odd given the name of the series. And that's not bad, it's simple fact. When I started with IX and saw that it was steampunkish (before I knew what steampunk was), it felt like a fun way to imagine a fantasy setting. VI is similar in that regard. There are small mechs (which are only a small part in the game), there's an airship, and there are one or two other things that are futuristic given the time period.

Also, if you liked Vivi, you only need to know that that sexy beast is pointing you toward VI with his name: VIVI ;-)

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Haha, maybe I'll check it out if Vivi is telling me too. :P

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Vivi is totally sexy.

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Sexiest of the sexy. No one beats that magical PERSON! Yeah! VIVI IS A PERSON, NOT A DOLL! ;-;

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