I would suggest looking at pcpartpicker.com and asking on their forums for ideas.
I would help myself but I don't have much experience with Mini-ITX motherboards, so wouldn't be able to recommend anything.
Though the build would be most likely an AMD build for that price range. Don't know why you stated either a AMd or Intel build?? Is there something different? haha
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Generally I would be afraid of the power supply, but since it's a combo, I would say that it is a fairly solid build for the price. You'll need to grab Windows separately, and that's a chunk of cash, and the integrated graphics card is underwhelming- there's no way you're going to pump out that kind of FPS on an integrated, even one that nice, and the USFF means that you probably can't get that sort of FPS in a discrete graphics card without needing another power supply, which is not happening in a Mini-ITX.
TL;DR: You're probably not getting a 60 FPS Skyrim Ultra in that form factor, much less at that price. However, for a cheap console replacement machine (with Windows, add another chunk of cash) you probably can't do a ton better.
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I am not "written in stone" with the $599 price point.. I can bring it as high at $1300 But, that is without any peripherals etc.. But, if it means a better system.
Up to what you all think is best.. Just, want the best value/fps as possible in a small form factor.
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Honestly, the sticking point probably isn't the money, it's the form factor. It's hard to fit a full scale graphics card in a mini-ITX system, and that's the problem. You could toss more money at it, and get a better system, but it will still be limited by the components you can fit in. You definitely cannot do it with that combo- the case comes with an integrated 200W power supply, and most full form factor graphics cards chug that for breakfast.
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I've seen someone fit a Titan into one of these on PCParts forums.. But, no way in hell am I shoving out $900 for a titan rofl.
On the other hand.. I also saw a 780TI for $750 in the Cooler Master case.. it was a tight fit it looked like but looked awesome.
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If you're willing to go that high, I can dig up my recent build and let you have it. I'm very happy.
Running cool, running everything I'm throwing at it, and not having any issues.
Also (for a PC) pretty darn portable.
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Limit for what? He only wants to play games, why would he ever need 16gb???
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... 4 GB is going to be a major problem for load times and performance on highest settings. Trust me. Most games that are more than 4GB aware use that extra memory for a lot of things. Plus, you get Steam, a VOIP client, anything extra running in the background and that 4GB will be gone on a x64 system.
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Please do state games that really use more than 4gb. Skyrim needs a patch to use more than 4gb to get "some improvements" but mostly it's tied with the gpu vram not ram by itself. Steam only uses 150MB of ram... unless he loves opening 20-30 tabs in chrome he won't have a problem.
The only thing he should care about is that the ram is low profile so it fits in the case and low latency, which will deliver better performance, not by having 16 gb.
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It depends on a lot of things, including the OS and background software. If you're running an uber-optimized install of Windows, you should be fine. But, 8 GB is safe. 16 GB is if you want to run tons of stuff at once. The problem is that the OS eats a chunk, and then other things eat a chunk, and by the time you've built a rig that can run things nicely, you're hitting a bottleneck at the RAM. Eliminating the RAM bottleneck with 8GB is a safe step that helps keep machines running nicely.
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Have you read what he wants for his build? His budget? He said he wanted to play skyrim ultra 60 fps for 600$ and that's the build I reccommend. There's no point in having 16GB of ram unless you do heavy editing and/or streaming. Please don't miss inform people. If he wants to game, first he has to look at gpu and then other stuff, not ram.
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BEST EXAMPLE EVER... Call of Duty Ghosts uses 2GB of ram, it has a virtual lock for 6GB.
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does that matter? no, it has the potential to use more than 2GB, which unless you have a shit system it does.
Some other games have also went over the 4GB mark as well. Also if you want any future-proofing at all you really do want at least 8GB for a gaming PC. 6GB at minimum.
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Yeah, keep talking about GB disregarding frequency and latency.
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And about loads times, that its mostly bottlenecked by the hard drive not by the ram....
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Not if all your RAM is in use. Trust me, on my old rig the RAM usage was keeping programs from even booting, and a switch from 4 to 8 solved most of the problems. There was also a corrupted Windows install, which was causing the excessive memory usage, but hey, I found that out later...
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The OS should be using about 1gb give or take, a game it may use a 1-2gb. He won't be able to be running lots of stuff, but with his current butget he shouldn't complain about that stuff.
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Windows 8 has been known to go as high as 3 GBs at times, but its still faster than 7. So if he wants to use the better operating system, the small amount of money that it takes to upgrade to 8GBs is worth it.
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It's a good start but you'd want to add your own video card (the inbuilt one is good for basic stuff) and swap out the power supply for something like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338081
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An idea. You may want to tweak the hard drive and the optical drive; I assume you won't want Bluray, but I built it in anyway, because if you're going for console emulation, you'll probably want some media functionality too. I'm not sure how it would benchmark in practice, and you may want to drop the RAM to 8 GB for price efficiency, but this would probably hit the framerates you want.
The compatibility filter says that the graphics card is compatible, but I'd double check the PCI connection.
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To add to the form factor issues, almost all of the mITX cases I have seen do not offer enough space for a good cooler and you are talking about a warmer CPU to meet your needs. mITX seems to be geared more for HTPC applications IMO. Gonna jack the price but you'd almost have to get something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119286 which has support for a 120MM water cooled radiator. THis will make it quieter and add to the slickness of it.
That said I have a huge beast of a case on my desk with 7 fans screaming and I don't even care...
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To OP, you should better ask in the forums in anandtech, tomshardware or linustechtips (each one will give you more recommendations towards either a i3 4130 or fx 6300 for cpu or for gpu 660 or 270x). There's tons of people that know better than me and you should be a bit more informed.
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Okay...here ya go.
Cooler Master Elite 130
SeaSonic G Series 550W
Intel I5 4750 3.2
Gigabyte GA-Z87N-WIFI (my preference on the wifi)
EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (I got a better deal on the dual bios card at the time)
Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 (4GBx2)
Crucial M500 120GB SSD
Your favorite 7200rpm HDD at a size you'll need (Mine was a WD Black 1TB)
Total for me at the time in January was just under $1200.
I'm very happy.
The cable management in the case was a puzzle, and I had to do one re-paste due to a dumb move on my part.
But I'm running cool, fast, and without issue.
G'luck and let me know if you have any questions.
edit: I also factored heavily for a low-noise rig, and I'm pretty happy about that part, too. My laptop is way louder. It's not silent, but it isn't a runway rig, either.
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So what specifically do you want in the case? Size? Weight? Looks?
My favorite mITX case is the Bitfenix Prodigy but many people would probably consider that too large.
Edit: My suggestion http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3cZNG
Doesn't hit your $600 price point but I didn't want to compromise on anything. You can shave off $90 if you have a copy of Windows already.
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CPU: AMD FX-6300 Black Edition($120)
Motherboard: Gigabyte AM3+ Micro-ATX Motherboard($65)
GPU: Gigabyte R7 260x($120)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Blue 4 GB($40)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Blue 1TB($60)
Case: Inwin Dragon Slayer MicroATX Mini Tower Case$64)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Extreme Power Plus – 500W($40)
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what about this build? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3cVo7
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What about this build?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3cVo7
Also, in that build would it be possible to fit a radiator instead of the front fan? Also, I wonder If I can change the motherboard.. never heard of that company and generally whenever you never hear of a company its bad news D:
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Looks fine for the most part. I would change the PSU to the Antec HCG 620W one though; same price but better quality. I would generally prefer a Seagate or Western Digital hard drive too.
ASRock is pretty well known for good quality budget mobos. As for a radiator in the front, yes it supports it if you want to go down that route.
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You could save some money and go with Nvidia for the GPU? The 760 has some of the best power for your money right now: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp43765kr or you could even go with the 750 TI, its really energy efficient (60 watts) and rather cheap for how powerful it is: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp43753kr
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Heh, I "did" but to get the same performance out of Mini-ITX it was like 2200$ x_X or not even applicable because certain parts couldn't fit.
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This should suit what you are looking for, other than the fact that it's not a mITX.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3duMs
So really $1170 for that, then if you really wanted great gaming performance, you could add another GTX 770 in SLI so $1500. Though you could easily wait and add that later. Really the only other thing you may have to upgrade in a year would be the memory, that processor should keep you going for awhile. This is if you want to stay at the 60 FPS for decent games.
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AMD FX-8xxx processors are a poor choice. I know people like to recommend them but unless all you do is use heavily multi threaded programs or need the integer performance, Intel's single threaded performance is just too much better.
Arctic Silver 5 is old and no longer worth it when you can get MX2/MX4 for cheaper.
There's no reason to get a 6GB version of the 280X.
There's better power supplies available than a Seasonic G series and at cheaper prices too.
The sound card is pretty expensive...unless it has some specific feature you need, I don't see why a Xonar DGX wouldn't work. Or for something more expensive, a dedicated DAC/Amp setup.
There's been a number of mITX builds in this thread already that would give you similar performance and at half the price so I'm not sure why you put this build together.
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-Edited out all the other information and narrowed down the results and builds to the two below-
or
Also, If you have not entered into my giveaway for helping me join it now. :-)
I will be counting the tallies below for either A or B. w.e one wins will be the one I buy..
Update on (A) Build: Is the optical drive needed? Or, can I just use a USB stick for the OS instead of a Disc?
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It seems like you are picking the most random parts ever, you shouldn't do that while building a computer.
But that aside, those builds seem ok, but you realise that Build A may have an issue. Also I'm quite iffy about that power supply.
CD Drives aren't that needed these days, but it's totally up to you, I would load Windows from a USB myself.
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Eh, not picking the parts.. those are just builds I found that other people submitted on Toms Hardware for Gaming builds under $700
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Have a look at this built, not that much more over the one you said.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Betabotx/saved/47rE
You can even change the HDD to the one you had if you want.
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-Edited out all the other information and narrowed down the results and builds to the two below-
A: GeForce GTX 760 Build
or
B: Radeon R9 270 Build
Also, If you have not entered into my giveaway for helping me join it now. :-)
I will be counting the tallies below for either A or B. w.e one wins will be the one I buy..
Update on (A) Build: Is the optical drive needed? Or, can I just use a USB stick for the OS instead of a Disc?
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