I support this.

Just FYI, the new bundle has perks for those who pay above average such as coming with the Frozenbyte bundle. :. You can tell if someone payed close to $0.01 .

I agree, but people who don't want to support the developers and charities and buying the bundle for 5 bucks makes them seem cheap.

I agree with this, but I'm getting frustrated at so many threads started and then deleted. Since "Civility, please. Also, the reasoning behind no public giveaways for HiB's while on sale." got deleted when I made my response there, I will post that response here because I'm feeling a little mistreated here...

Speaking of civility, why does my thread get deleted? Is it because I got called an "asshole" by a mod and you guys don't feel that he/she should have to apologize to me? Or maybe it's because that mod derailed my thread so much that it became so far off topic... in which case, why is that person a moderator here?

I had one little bone to pick with this site and I expressed it, civilly, but I get called an asshole and told to "MOD YOURSELVES YOU LITTLE PRICKS".

I would like to be told what rules I broke here. I love this site and I appreciate what the mods do- I had one objection to make. I realize Cult has given more than anyone to this site, but I have also given a lot.

For the record I have no problem with what the mods here do, especially Cult. I had one tiny issue with how a seemingly genuine person got banned, is that so wrong?

For transparency: here is the deleted thread

Agree, one humble bundle per person.

Agreed.

CG could actually make it possible for the site to confirm the user has the gift link and it's valid.

I'm not sure if the topic is about Humble bundle in 'general' or just on the topic of not making them available when they are active?

For the former topic, during periods when the humble bundles are not active, I think this policy would work well. Since it encompasses existing policies of not giving out Desura and Onlive keys. The only problem here might be that users, who admittedly already do not read the FAQ/stickies/forums/etc might not know about the policy.

For the latter topic, I think a giant sticky at the top indicating the policy on humble bundles not being available during the active cycle would be good enough. It's a valid point that it's a tad buried in the FAQ section. A separate sticky for it explaining the policy and why it's banned outright seems like a better way to go. At least then you can't claim 'I didn't know'.

I think a header on the main page during any Humble Bundle period might also be useful addition to the site to make it crystal clear to all users.

Bit off topic but I hope useful feedback.

Does this effect private giveaways?

I say that there should be no point distribution for HiB giveaways, but still require points to enter. Also the giveawayer gets no feedback for those, so no problem with stats too.

while I completely agree people who don't read the forums wont know the policy change (unfortunately so many don't so both gifters and receivers might not know the change)

I agree that Desura and Onlive keys being offered by people who have most likely redeemed the Steam keys for themselves should be frowned upon.

But, in situations like the current bundle where you pay more than the average and get a separate Steam Key for both FS and FB bundles...a lot of people already have the FB bundle, and it seems that the HiB people very deliberately release two separate keys - they could have added the FB games to the list of games that are redeemed by a FS key, but they chose not to.

I don't think it's bad to submit a Steam Key in that situation.

Why not just disable giving Humble Indie Bundles altogether? Since this site started I always preferred to enter for games that can be gifted directly through Steam, not just activated through it.

I feel like the HiB giveaways are causing more trouble than they need to. Would they really be missed if they were no longer offered here? People can just give their extra copies away on Reddit or something :)

Solution for the Humble Bundle problem: Don't allow them at all. Drama gone, points flooding gone, problems gone.

If people want to give away bundles, then they can give it to friends or post random keys in the forum here.

/edit: ^^ Looks like we thought the same thing at the same time. ^^

I'm all for this. I've purchased 5 additional bundles for the current Frozen Synapse, but I've documented the URL for the bundle, and clicked the "Redeem Steam Key"

I had planned on giving both the official key page and the Steam key to my winners, is that ok?

Nice

Oh great, so I had won a Humble Indie Bundle #2 a long time ago, what I got was a key instead of a page. Can I ask the giveaway creator to give me the Humble Bundle page?

What about having a person who puts up a Humble Bundle having to clarify if it is a key or url, with keys being less points then urls (because of lacking bonus stuff).

Anyhow, I previous made an agreement to myself that if I was to ever purchase a Humble Bundle for myself I pay at least $5, just today I was able to do that. And since the average amount has consistently been below that amount (at least for this bundle) I now have an extra Frozenbyte Bundle key having previously won a key (not a url) for it here. If the keys were banned I would no longer be able to give this key back to the community as I had planned. I guess I could always send the download urls for the soundtracks and Jack Claw alongside the key so the person would have the advantages of the url without actually having it.

I personally enjoy the bundles, specially if you cannot get an older bundle anymore. Users could publically flag them if they were in fact indie bundle games. Games in the bundles themselves would have a secoundary indicator, showing that they may be in fact be humble indie games. Auctions which failed to do this would refund points to users for over paying, deducting the amount gained do to the auction being listed. This does not stop all users from getting extra points, but I personally think the indie bundles are good. All games in the bundles being banned would essentially stomp this out, but it would be detremental and a step backwards.

Only problem with this idea cult, is there really isn't much of a way to enforce it. I agree with you 100% though. That is how I gave away my humble bundles.

What if other methods are used to get the winner the "extras"

I was under the impression that sharing the other keys with someone else would be piracy. Each bundle purchased is supposed to be owned by a single person. This includes the extra key for space chem, and the key for the extra bundle when you pay over the average. You really shouldn't use a key from someone that parted them out like that. I imagine it could be tracked pretty easily, but we'd already know if they were doing anything against people pirating in that way. The law is on their side if they ever decide to fight it in the future.

I could be wrong here, but I also have the feeling that the people splitting the keys up are the same people that pay $0.01 for the bundle already, or just bought it for themselves and gave away the leftovers. This would probably be overkill, but we could have a rule where every bundle given away here has to have the additional bundle with it. That would stop a lot of people from paying $0.01 for bundles to give away, and might encourage a few more the pay extra for them. The only reason I even suggest that is because the humble bundles are for charity, and deserve a little extra consideration IMO.

How about we just get rid of Humble Bundles altogether? You're talking about cheapening the developers work, well we are also cheapening something meant for charity. At no point do I believe that any person who puts up a Humble Bundle on this website has paid more than 2 dollars for their respective keys.

That is just the truth. The games should also be blacklisted for a good 3-5 months.

Seems like i won't be able to give away any HIBs because i have only steam keys, not URL, Desura keys and other shit.

I agree with the people saying that HIBs shouldn't be allowed at all. They are too much trouble, and it's not like they have something exclusive in them: people can still buy, and give away, the individual games.

Of the Three Humble Bundles I've given out in the past, all three were Gift URLS and not Keys.

I agree with your reasoning Cult! HOWEVER, I don't agree with the people saying 'Don't allow Humble Bundles at all'. What should it matter? If you don't want it, don't enter it. I use the 'Ignore' feature of the SteamGifts Enhancement Add-on to block something I don't wanna see again.

I also agree, however, that Humble Bundle Giveaways /probably/ shouldn't produce points in the SG system the same way normal games do.