It used to be that copyright was a thinly veiled method of theft which hid under the false guise of "protecting the interests of the artist", yet to anyone who's studied the concept for more than five minutes, it's been clear that it's little more than a state-protected monopoly which really hinders everyone in the long run. Now that they're trying to take even more rights of ownership away, is there really any question at this point? It's taking a jump from spitting on ownership and property to nearly attempting to make consumers into slaves... They've thrown off the veil and are proudly displaying their treacherous thieving ways. Now that their actions are out in the open, will we perhaps see the uneducated crowds that referred to those that tried to protect property as "internet pirates" now come over and help fight against the true thieves, or is it too late and we're all headed down the road to what's essentially little more than an oligarchy?

http://www.androidauthority.com/new-dmca-ruling-jailbreaking-of-smartphones-legal-starting-2013-but-not-for-tablets-126377/

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/26/dmca-update-makes-new-phone-unlocking-illegal/

http://searchengineland.com/dmca-requests-now-used-in-googles-ranking-algorithm-130118

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Anyone still buying into the whole "people fighting against theft are pirates" routine needs to open their eyes and stop shouting "LALALALALALALA!" so they can actually educate themselves.

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Actually, you have it backwards. It's more like "Copyright law is harmful to creativity and economy, DMCA is a copyright law, therefor DMCA is bad".

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That's because this topic in particular is in response to the new updates to DMCA. However, these new updates are far from the only thing that I'm against; more that it just want from "kicking puppies bad" to "slavery bad".

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If by patronage you mean like commissioning works (not unlike the modern crowd-source funding model used by Kickstarter), then yes, that's certainly one of the methods I would prefer to see in place. The other which would be mostly for musicians and actors is stage performance- you're always going to have people that want to see a concert or other performance live as opposed to prerecorded.

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So, i got 2 GB of music, and they are going to come and arest me ?! I don't think so :D

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Even if you ripped it from your own CDs and are only using it on your own MP3 player.

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just if you live in EuroWonderland or Yankeeland...

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I Live in Eastern Europe, so no one will ever come to arest me even i if download 1 TB -.-

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I've downloaded about 20 TB and still counting. Yarrr matey!

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+1

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You sure about that? The recording companies sure want it to be, and are moving this way...

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Yeah really. I recall a case where the RIAA sent a court summons to a med student in the UK for clicking on a link which lead to copyrighted material.

That was a messy one. I wish I could remember what the lad's name was.

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Only 2GB? You need moar.

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64,8 GB of music

come here sucka

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Actually copyright is more common used against semi peripheral countries to accumulate their raw materials especially by U.S. but these were copyrights about farming and seeds which is completely different subject. Anyway copyright is a tool; if you use it bad it becomes bad

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I can't even tell what the hell standpoint you're taking on this. You need to wipe the spittle off your mouth, take a few deep breath, and calm the fuck down. This "stream of consciousness" rant isn't conductive to a healthy, logical discussion.

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I find it funny that you don't even read my post, cuss at me, and yet have it in your mind that I'm the one that needs to calm down.

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I read it. I think you are an idiot with mediocre language skills and no idea how to formulate a coherent argument.

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Ad hominem.

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He's not trying to debate with you, so yes, it's an ad hominem. I'm not supporting what he said, and I think copyright is often misused, but I do think you need to calm down as well. I'm all for civil debate, but you're getting up in arms over some guys that are trying to tell you that you aren't being fully.. I dunno, coherent? Not sure what the word is, but seriously, you seem a bit too zealous. I agree with you man, somewhat, but you do need to relax a little.

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"I can't even tell what the hell standpoint you're taking on this. You need to wipe the spittle off your mouth, take a few deep breath, and calm the fuck down. This "stream of consciousness" rant isn't conductive to a healthy, logical discussion."

I don't agree with author, but now you are just worse than him. This is shit-talk. That's what ALWAYS say people who have no arguments in discussion, but want to offend opponent.

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Funny, there's plenty of people in here actually discussing the pro/anti copyright aspects. That's why I didn't even bother with that and tried to get the original poster (in language that he would probably understand better) to reign in the emotive speech. And you, despite appearing to want to discuss the topic matter, decide to respond to me. I guess you have nothing to contribute to the real subject so decide to do some trolling instead.

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"And you, despite appearing to want to discuss the topic matter, decide to respond to me."

THAT'S A CONSPIRACY.

"I guess you have nothing to contribute to the real subject so decide to do some trolling instead."

I didn't want to respond on author's topic, because I had no time to read all other comments. It's you who ignored any discussion and started offending author with such silly talk. I responded, because I didn't have to study arguments, simply because you didn't provide any.
If somebody is trolling here - that's you - ignored topic, offended author and acted like you were better.

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btw, you should change "hinder" to something else

I'm pretty sure you want to use the antonym of it

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My apologies and thanks to you.

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Pointless thread.

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No one's forcing you to read it or post in it. At least, I certainly hope not.

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lol, sorry dude, don't think anyone here is going to agree with you. Copyright is the property right protection of an idea. You take that away, then good luck having innovation when there is no reward. People don't make games and produce entertainment for charity.

Actually, I have no idea what your little rant is trying to say. You say internet pirates are "protecting property"? LOL okay. Good luck with that argument.

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Here, educate yourself: http://questioncopyright.org/learn

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Edit: I had a post responding to you, but I have job interviews coming up later today, so no time for this right now.

All I'm going to say is: good luck trying to get the copyright system abolished.

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I read that, and can only say that it'd only work in a perfect world, aka. not in the real world we live in.

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Nope, copyright originally had little to do with the idea itself. It was all about who could print it (yeah, Gutenberg-time).

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It's not about the original intentions, but what the present usage is for. It's not like I support the long copyright terms - I'd love to see it brought down to the level of patents, for example.

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Yeah, the main issue I have with copyrights is not that they exist, but that they have such ridiculously long expiration dates.

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This author is a little depressed to think people believe I'm stealing something by copyrighting my own work.

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We already aren't. Take Steam for example which does not allow us to make an account, fill it with games and (when one day we get bored) sell the crap. No sir!

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You are not allowed to sell a computer with any software on it. That includes an operating systems. You can if you have the licenses and everything, but most people do not.

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Ohh, you didn't read agreement. Where it clearly states you own nothing. And since you own nothing, that's all you can sell.

Go Valve, we love you.

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So, what am I exactly paying Steam for? Since I do not own these games, what is the point? In that case I get more ownership and control over content when I pirate it rather than buy it. From my standpoint, Steam is, as of this moment useless and pointless.

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You pay for being able to use Gabe's copy. Which he borrows until he takes it away. That might never happen, but it can also happen tomorrow.

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A separate- but yet not at all unrelated- case. Really, it's all a result of the same line of thinking. When you sell something, do you still own it, or does the buyer? Ideally, it should be the buyer.

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According to law, that depends what you sell. If you sell ownership, then buyer have right to do whatever he wants with it, along with selling it further.

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Music artists make a ton of money from concerts and hardly from music now-a-days.

Youtube stars, NND, and etc. are who I'm more worried about... they give their music for free most of the time so I doubt I'd get fined for crap.

I don't think the DMCA has enough power... and people will probably go crazy if they try anything too rash right now -_-''...

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You can't say copyright itself is theft. Copyright enforcement laws that are accepted after you've bought something, however, ARE theft. Since they take away something you had access to when you bought the product.

Generally, copyright is just a restriction. I would say that it is useful when weak (as in, basic protection from having your ideas claimed as someone else's), but as soon as any restrictions that hamper creativity or usage are involved, it becomes harmful.

Ideally, I'd love to see all digital content become free to use, with donations being used to sponsor the creation of new content. Essentially, patronage. But that system would still require the mild form of copyright I mentioned above, so it will be known who to donate to when you like something.

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This form of copyright, I could agree with. I think everyone should have the right to create and sell something if they have the resources. I do not think that people should have the right to take Romeo & Juliet and claim it as their own original work. If copyright was reduced to being anti-plagiarism laws, I would readily defend it.

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fuk da popo

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^

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U no fuk da popo

Da popo fuk u evry time

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Copyright is theft.

And in other news, Morse code is roast beef.

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What?

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it is!

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I'm curious as to where your online petition to stop this is, everyone knows those things work.

Really though, should we grab pitch forks and torches and run to the nearest DMCA HQ?

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tl;dr

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hide yo kids and hide yo wife

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he be rapin' everybody out here

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he's climbing in your windows, he's snatching yo people up

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Your post never bothers to explain why you think it's wrong for me to own the rights to the book I wrote. If you can't even mention the basic ideas you're talking about in that big paragraph, I'm definitely not going do the work for you (reading those links.)

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It's not so much that we disagree that you should own the rights to the book you wrote. It's more that when your attempts to stop piracy, infringe on the rights of the consumers do we start to have a problem.

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That's actually the opposite of what he said in his post. I'm talking about his useless main post, not the links or the comments below it which I'm not bothering to read.

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Oh I know, OP's post wasn't really about discussing copyright issues seriously. It was just his version of the crazy hyperbole filled statements that most people use to distract us from actual discussion.

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Exactly my point. I'm relieved that you agree. =)

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Don´t get the beating on Copyright. It´s a needed thing. Sure, most people see it from the consumer side but look at it as if YOU were the artist.
So, you make a brilliant song, radio plays it all day and what do you get from it? Almost nothing, since noone actually BUYS your stuff. So, would you a happy when you know people rip you off for massive amounts of money or would you go like "hey, i know it´s wrong but that´s okay, you like my music, that´s all that matters". C´mon, be realistic!
Those people try to live with selling their stuff, they don´t get anywhere without selling anything and before you get so known you can live from only concerts, it´s a long long way!

On the other hand, i don´t get why a digital download still costs as much as an physical CD and for a more complex music taste that is not mainstream you have to look very long to get your stuff legally...

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I'd argue that radio play isn't ripping the artist off as much as it is a type of advertisement. I suppose this is the same failure as the OP, but I can't explain this as effectively as Courtney Love does.

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It is usually the people who hired the artists who screwed them out of their livelihood.

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Okay, I'm just gonna say it.

"Copyright" is the act of establishing a legal ownership on a particular piece of work, be it written, filmed, recorded, etc.

What you mean to say is "copyright infringement."

I hate it when people say "no copyright intended!" on YouTube videos. Or worse, when a friend in conversation says to me "I know it's copyright, but I downloaded that movie."

Ugh

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I think OP, in his raging post, actually meant that soon "copyright" will mean "you have to pay us some $$$ so we can decide how you can use it", instead of todays "you have to pay us some $$$ to be able to use it".

Well, in many cases it actually means that already (Steamworks-games is best example, since it's Valve who decide if you can play game you paid for - especially with their worthless offline mode that requires internet connection to start...).

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it's not the clearest post, but i think he did actually mean copyright not copyright infringement.

it bugs me too when people get their words messed up when talking about copyright, with the worst of it the intentional distortion of calling infringement "piracy" or "theft" / "stealing." it's one thing for people to not know what they're talking about, but another altogether to intentionally mislead. copyright infringement is already illegal -- it doesn't need to be equated to theft to convince people they shouldn't do it.

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No matter how bad you think copyright is, it HAS to exist.

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Totally agree. It's kind of like a necessary evil.

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it doesn't HAVE to exist, it's just meant to encourage content creation. presumably without it there would be less content getting created, but it wouldn't all disappear. even today we have content being produced with the creators waiving copyright (example: any open-source software).

without copyright, i expect a significant amount of content owners to continue selling their content. many of them have spent so much time and energy on devising technical means to prevent infringement of their copyrights, and have complained so loudly about how much infringement supposedly hurts them that one might think copyright isn't actually protecting them at all.

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That second part: without copyrights, they wouldn't be able to whine about it. But with copyrights, if they notice someone breaking it, they can call cops etc to make that person stop breaking them.

As for world without copyrights: imagine world where you make something, and then everyone would be selling it everywhere, without you getting anything and without giving you any rights to fight with them. Erase trademarks, and you wouldn't be sure which Half Life 3 is real one: the one with EA logo, Activision or Ubisoft (and all of them would be avaliable on Steam).

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Lets face it though, open source software isn't at the best of standards. As long as copyright doesn't exist, the creative minds of people everywhere will be handicapped. Copyright HAS to exist if you want a significant consumer base and a future in the creative industry.

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i suppose copyright is as much theft as copyright infringement is theft.

hint: neither of them are at all like theft.

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While we may license the software, we own the hardware. What's to stop people from flashing the generic Android software onto their device without rooting the carrier/manufacturer-specific software? The copyright issue is in regards to the carrier/manufacturer-specific software, is it not? This goes for both phones and tablets.

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How would creators get money without copyright? Suppose you create a movie. What then, you sell a copy or two to people you know, then one of them gives it to a local theatre who thinks it's great a shows it, soon it's gone global, and you've received nothing. Or you made a good game and made it available for download, EA sees it, picks it up and sells it. Many people know they can download it for free, but some buy it from EA because they don't know better, and they make some money. Either way, you don't.

Same goes for pretty much everything. The only exceptions are performers, who can get money from that. Really, without copyright there's no reason to pay for any creation, and therefore no reason for anyone to create something professional. Sure you'd see hobbyist creations, but nobody will put even a million dollars (a pretty small amount) into a project if they have no way to get money back.

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