I can finally hide all these normie games to show off true degeneracy!
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Considering we are on SteamGifts a little heads up: Don't set your wins to private, otherwise it would look like you had not activated your win. Maybe setting it to private while you play is ok?
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You can hide the game, but what do you do about the hairy palm?
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I wonder how support will handle re-roll tickets about not activated games, when they are just hidden. Will it give false positives in sg tools and so on...
Be sure to not hide games won on SG for safety reasons xD
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same way as they handle the people who removed the games.
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This will cause some interest issues with the rules here.
On the other hand, playing a hentai game publicly and visibly will now be considered a statement in itself, kinda like watching porn on your phone in public.
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One of the checks I do is to check the winner's steam account to make sure the game or dlc is not already owned - so this new change may screw that over a little.
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i can finally hide my shame instead of burying it under idled games,
i'm finally free of lost ark and lords mobile ;-;
well, it's also useful with mister furry but that's not a big deal.
the problem is how would you know in the future that someone didn't hide a big game just for the chance to enter a ga and get a key?
or if someone won a hentai game from this website and wanted to hide it, would it show as not activated?
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I didn't expect steam to provide such a degenerate feature. To show some but hide other games imo makes it an untrustworthy platform that I can't rely on to show me a users played games properly anymore. If they weren't comfortable showing it, they could hide them all before and that was ok or a statement in itself. Allowing to selectively hide specific games now basically means anyone can be a degen for various reasons and you wouldn't know it. Bad take from valve imo.
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I mean, most people usually don't broadcast to the world when they're watching porn, but nobody has much of an issue if they're seen watching the news. With Steam being the standard for PC gaming it makes sense that users would want to apply the same logic to their playing habits, and with Valve wishing to remain the providers of a service seen as the standard it makes sense for them to incorporate this new feature, anything that will keep clients within the ecosystem.
This is a major problem for this site's rules tho, one that isn't exactly easy to address and might bring negative consequences in the near future.
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From my pov the people already had 2 options available that worked perfectly. Show your library or don't. The point I'm making is now there's no point in having a steam library, because people are using it as a game showcase, not as a library. They're showing only the games they want to show and it isn't their library and doesn't reflect what they play on steam. That's why the private feature was better before, vs now when they're selling you on an illusion of what they play, vs what they actually play.
So once this goes live for all steam users, having a the "games" section on a users page is irrelevant because it doesn't reflect their library, it just reflects what they wanna show you. To make it worse, this works in a negative way for users who didn't mind showing their library, because once again, since you can't now who is who now, all users are ?. So this should indicate more suspicions across users, less socializing because again I have no idea who I'm playing with and what games they're hiding with, etc.
I already called out steam allowing porn games a bad idea many years ago. Sure it brings them money, but they should've separated it as two platforms for these obvious complications and the separations they're going to make to gamers. As a consumer I would've proffered there were different places for these things.
As for the sites rules that's obvious and I'm interesting what support will do.
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Wait, I'm a bit confused. What bothers you is that you can no longer get an accurate picture of someone's taste in games by looking at the owned games in their profile?
Because that's already pretty hard to do when you take into account that some users just add anything they can to their account for the sake of collecting, or those that run ASF in order to farm every single card drop available in their accounts.
Or is this specifically about not being able to tell who plays hentai games?
Because if that's the one I don't see how it could possibly be relevant. For example, let's say that you added someone because they also play a bunch of games in a genre you like, but sometimes they play a genre you dislike, that wouldn't affect the fact that both of you still agree in liking the first genre.
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I can tell most of those things apart, and steam does show hours logged in certain games, achievements, etc. But now, I'd have no way to know if someone has spend 2400 hours in furry master 4, and 3900 hours in hentai jrpg #275.
It's not just about hentai games, but lets say someone plays is clicker games. There wouldn't be much of a reason for me to add them because there isn't much we connect on, and I play clicker games too but there isn't anything that interesting about them. This might apply to some other games, that I just personally don't like, although I'm pretty open to most games, and I don't care about hentai tbh as long as that isn't like 95% of what a user plays. But there are profiles that I see and I avoid interaction with because we have absolutely nothing in common. For instance if I see someone plays 95% rpgmaker hentai games, I'm not really likely to be interested in connecting, but if someone is searching for good rpg maker games and lets say plays 95% rpg maker games, I'd really like to have them as a friend because it's a genre I enjoy, although some games can be trashy, but I already consider hentai rpgmaker games to be some of the worst games ever created, so you can see how hiding those away fakes their rpg history.
Maybe, however, if someone adds me and 99% of the time all they play is x games I dislike, but then 1% they play a game I really like, and they have that game hidden, then I can't see them for who they are. Then, they might suggest to me I play their game that I don't like and of course I can remove them at that point but this whole thing could've been avoided way ahead of time. Just because they played x for a few hours, doesn't mean they actually enjoy that genre primarily, however maybe they have a hard time finding people who play their genre, so they try and find friends in different games and bring them to their genre. This happened to me more than once.
Also, because some people can remove their most played games because they're ashamed of hours spent, game, etc. I'm much more likely now to refuse invites because they're going to look like bots and I insta refuse or block those. So before I would spend some of my time to research whether I find it reasonable to add this person or not, now I'll insta block. Maybe it sounds toxic but it isn't me, as again I can't tell so if it looks fishy it probably is, and I have a lot of things bots want, so I'm not gonna waste time to talk to each one to determine if it's a real being.
If it matters, I would be much more okay with this if it said "this user has hidden games" when you clicked on their games thing. I don't care which games, which genre that much. But at least to me that's a good starting point. However right now this feature is indicating this is what this user plays. That's not exactly true and to make it worse we can't tell who is and who isn't using this feature either.
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Most of that seems a bit too much effort as far as I'm concerned. Like sure, you do you if you have the energy to look that deep into someone before accepting them on Steam, I personally wouldn't simply because it sound like too much work.
The one thing I do agree with you is that it'd be nice to have some sort of indication that a user is hiding games, that way we would at least have a notion that the library we're seeing is incomplete. But I can think of a couple of reasons why Valve would opt to not do that, one is that it would to some degree nullify the whole idea of this change, and also because Valve tends to like avoiding having to do extra work unless it is absolutely necessary.
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I don't think this is a bad idea but of course it will have ups and downs. I wonder if they finally let people to completely delete free-to-play games now, since it's not so different from not being able to seen by others.
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I'm much more in support of a feature that allows removal of x game from an account, and then hiding it away from the list. I feel like that's much more reasonable as the user in question actually doesn't want that in their account.
I'm partly bothered by this feature because we're promoting the user to play x game they're ashamed of playing, but not be confident in themselves to show it. So we're promoting them being ashamed of it and providing them the tools to stay ashamed of it rather than promoting the confidence and a community for said person where they can find real friends. Instead that user has to go lie to others about what games he likes as if he's in the closet.
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I guess that's a one down part. However I think this feature is good because of the Steam's growing older user base. One might not be bothered by those games when they're in their early 20's, but when that person have children, or have more minor persons one way or another in their lives, it's only natural they would want to hide those games instead of hiding the whole profile.
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From a privacy perspective, this is a big win. Fewer creeps to stalk you out.
From SteamGifts perspective, it's probably going to be problematic, as now people can hide their games before joining SG and win games they already own, then unhide those games and sell the keys they win.
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Only people could already do that for years, now it's just made faster/easier!
Before/now people could just ask Steam to remove a game from their account, win the game here, ask Steam to put the game back and sell the key, it's the same thing, they just make it easier/faster now then what it was!
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Was possible before as well, although you had to go through support to do it, which took about a minute. Since I was aware of this when doing my giveaways, I made it a point to always redeem those keys won after I see the person "activated" the game on their account. Never bad to make sure 100% that the game they show on their acc is actually the one you sent. Although, they could use an alt acc to activate the games. But I kinda don't understand the point of that? Why have two acc with the same game?
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i get your points and reasons, but for someone like me that's a very good update and something that i wanted for a long time, here's a couple of my reasons.
1- till this day my 2 most played games "on steam" are lost ark and lords mobile, but i haven't played these games for a long time, so like you said if you check my profile to see what i play and if we have mutual interests, you'll actually get a very false sense of what i like and play, so wouldn't it be better for you to actually see what i'm currently interested in and spend my time playing?
plus i had really horrible experiences with these games and really hated that they showed up on top of my profile so i ended up idling 10 games for a total of almost 12k hours so that they no longer show on top of my profile, i didnt submit a removal request because i want to see the data myself, but i don't want to show these 2 games because i just wanted them erased from anything related to me.
2- when i first started buying games, among my first 10 bought games were the witcher 3, nier autamata, ark, horizon, no man's sky, skyrim, terraria, stardew valley, risk of rain 2,
some really quality games, games i "wanted" to play or try,
but at the end of 2022 i joined some gaming communities and caught the "big library" disease and started getting some random bullshit added to my library, many of them were good random bullshit, but also many weren't, many asset flips, some random keys dropped here and there and my library slowly started turning in abomination,
i stopped doing that months ago, but i still have those games in my library and they're not something i'm proud of, i dont want someone to open my library and see a mountain of bullshit asset flips, i want them to see something i'm proud of, and i can finally do that,
that includes games i didnt like or badly reviewed games, but they are games that i had involvement in, not just some +1s.
3- knowing what games someone owns and plays on steam is kinda pointless,
1- there is an option to hide all owned games, so you literally don't even get a sneak peek
2- other platforms exists
3- you can request games to be removed from your account by contacting support
so not only can you have other games on other platforms, but you can literally just remove the games from your account if you wish to, which is almost no different than just hiding it for whatever reason you want.
you can also just make an alt account if you wish to to play specific games you want to hide from others.
me for example the majority of my playtime was on other platforms and launchers, Riot, Gamepass and even epic games or just remote play together.
TL;DR
steam is a showcase of games i own, not an entitlement to others to access to everything i've ever bought,
i have the right to privacy and i also have the right to customize my profile to my liking the way that makes me happy and comfortable,
if you want to hide everything in your library except for sex chess, then that's your choice, a weird choice indeed, but that's not up to me to say and demand that you shall show me everything you own.
i'll probably be hiding about 20~30% of my library because that's how much trash i have in it, and since i stopped getting random games then i wont be using this feature in the future, maybe in a few years when i'm in my 40s i wont find "sex with hitler" as a funny game to have in my library anymore, maybe then i'll hide it, but that's my steam profile, and that's my choice and i should have the last say on what i show and what not to.
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Good thing I'm 28 years old and none gives a f@ck about my games.
Steam is literally a place where people come to play, not a place where they go for job interviews. Why should anyone hide what they play? Unless it is an illegal activity, I believe that everyone has the right to pay for what they want and play it.
Adult games are literally not illegal, unless there is something specifically prohibited in your country. Unless you're a minor, I don't see why an adult should hide their porn games.
I take that type of content quite calmly. A long time ago I was taught at school how babies are made.
Games with sexual content is just an example. Imagine if someone has to hide that they were playing "Hatred". LOL WHY?
What I mean is that if a person needs more privacy, that is their right. For the rest, I believe that no one should be judged for playing things that are completely legal in their country.
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I can think of a couple of examples of why someone might find this new feature useful despite them being adults and not doing anything illegal.
Some people have children, and those children might have Steam accounts of their own and have their parents in their friends' lists. You can imagine that some people might not feel comfortable with the idea of their kids finding out about their kinks.
Then there's the people that are queer but in the closet, not wanting to have to answer awkward questions from their friends (or maybe even family members) about why they were playing a gay porn game.
Something being legal doesn't mean that it's socially acceptable or viceversa.
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What I mean is that there are people who say that this option could cover up "degenerates". And I don't see anything wrong with enjoying porn games. Whether you play them without hiding or not.
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I believe that the main reason why people are throwing around the word "degenerates" it's because that's a common part of the self-deprecating humor you can usually find around weeb culture online, it's not rare to see anime fans describing themselves as degenerates when talking about their taste for the echi genre. I think hentai means something along the lines of "perverted" so it's not hard to see why someone would ironically refer to themself as a degenerate.
Although I suppose at least some of the people using the word might actually mean it. After all some people actually do think that those that like porn are degenerates, it's something pretty common among conservatives and religious types, but I'd rather not interact with those right now since trying to argue with them about these kind of subjects tends to go nowhere.
Also, nobody seems to have given much thought to the fact that most likely some players will end up using this feature to hide games that seem rather mundane and not shameful at all for reason that we haven't thought about just yet, like claiming they're a noob when they actually have hundreds of hours logged in. I remember as a kid once going to the arcade and one of the other kids I was with telling me to play The King of Fighters with him, I told him I had never played it and he assured me he had never played it either, after absolutely destroying me I asked him again and he confessed that he hadn't played that specific title (back then KoF was a yearly series) but owning a previous one on PS1 and playing it frequently.
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That's a good attitude, but not everyone thinks like that and I assume everyone has experienced people talking bad about them behind their back. With a mature attitude you can also say that you are able to ignore it and don't care about it.
But imagine you have co-workers in your friend list, because you talked about games at some point and noticed that both of you like to play an online game and thus played it together at times. Do you want them to also see that you have some hentai or maybe LGTB games, because you bought bundles containing some? Or that they can question how you got playtime in a game at 4 AM when working that day? Or even gained achievements? If you can trust them, great. But if there are doubts, ...
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I totally understand what you and friend Axelflox here say. Specially about having your children as friends. I speak as a person who is not a mother. I can understand perfectly that.
I recognize that this is simply my way of thinking, and that no one has to share it. I really have a hard time explaining this, maybe because English is not my natural language.
Let's see, I think I can simplify it like this: I don't think anyone should interfere with what you do with your time in your private life. It's as absurd as if your neighbors were talking because you just got home from work tired and you bought a pack of beers to drink while you watch television at home.
Now, in general it bothers me that I have to hide to do things that I have every right to do since I don't break any laws. This is something that I do not tolerate, being approached with judgments and questions about aspects of my private life that in no way hinder the fulfillment of my obligations. But with games another factor is added (one that is totally subjective, too): and that is that for me a hentai game is nothing more than another game, just a little more mediocre. P/S: I played an adult game, and I ended up censoring the sex scenes because they bored me and made me lag, and I was more entertained by the rest of the content. I think this might explain why it's so irrelevant to me. But I'm only sharing my point of view from my own reality.
If this option will make some people feel more free to do what they want, I welcome it. Now the problem is to see what will happen in pages like this one, where to show what you own is important.
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No worries, your way of thinking came across pretty well before and I totally agree with you. I have a lot of adult games in my collection and idled a lot. I haven't played any yet (except if you count Witcher or Deep Space Waifu), but I don't fear or overthink playing these. There are just more interesting games for me.
In a perfect world noone should judge about what you play, listen to, watch, how you behave on your own or how you think. But humans like to judge. And then there are even governments and companies who'd love to know everything about you. Privacy exists for a reason, and even among social media addicts only a very small minority would share their sexual fantasies or activities.
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Of course. In addition to there being hypocritical or nosy people, the attitude of each person towards these people has a lot to do with it. And that is complex, because it can be linked to cultural issues, etc. :)
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So I can't laugh and shame them? Ugh, what will I do with my free time now?
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IMO this is the end of Steamgifts for valuable keys :c
(As checking who owns what becomes impossibru and tracking down nefarious users similarly just can't happen anymore. At least the previous way of hiding individual products from ownership checks had notable downsides attached.)
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Yep, hide the new hot game you buy. Then unhide it if you win. Now you get free copy to flip, or regift or whatever...
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Wasn't this possible with "remove game form my account" option as well? It takes like a minute to do, so it's not like it was hard to acomplish. And the only way to actually see that someone hid a game this way is to make them record their Steam support games page for the game in question, to see if the game was indeed part of your account, because unlike this option, the game is removed from your licenses page as well.
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As much as I would like to just hide my old shame and pretend like it never happened, I'm afraid the damage has already been done and is irreversible. I have to forever bear the mark... of my Dota 2 playtime. D:
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Everyone has some game they really regret... It just so happens that for a lot of people that game is a 'competitive' team-based game. XD
(Bonus points if you play said game as a support. x.x )
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I cannot say it's ashame but I don't want to see it in my games list because it was just a game I played solely because of my friends, not a genre I would play on my own. More like a group effort. :)
Surely had its moments but it's actually a thing you spend your life on it, rather than actually enjoy it.
Anyway, I salute you as a Leshrac main. ^^
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Too late, I've already decided to transform the Joke-gift of furry adult games into a collection.
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More importantly, can SteamGifts winners mark their game as private? I wonder how the API will work in this case.
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It won't be different from deleting them via Steam support. SG won't be able to see them. So winners shouldn't do that.
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I feel like this might also be related to permanently deleted games, perhaps they were working on these together.
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This might indeed be the end for giving away valuable keys here at SG.
Starting today you’ll be able to mark specific games as private and they’ll disappear from anywhere they’d be viewed by someone other than you. That includes: your ownership, in-game status, playtime, and activity in that game.
As DiabLXIX already has pointed out, a user always can hide an already owned AAA game, the API can no longer detect it as owned so the user can enter a GA for it and win it, sell the won key on the grey market or trade it away and unhide the game and sync his account here at SG (and SGTools) so that the API detects the game as owned.
Rinse and repeat or repeat the same for another AAA game.
Result: Kashing!
I might stop doing giveaways completely after this update releases :(
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Giveaway hosts will definitely need to keep an eye on the stats that end up showing on the winners Steam profile soon after they are activated, assuming that the "Last played" and "Hours played" stats don't reset when a user hides/unhides a game.
That seems to be the only reliable way to detect anyone cheating with this.
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Wait, I understood this wrong, my bad!
I know if you ask Steam to remove a game, when you put it back you also get all stats back so if it works the same it should indeed come back.
But then 2 things:
- what if they didn't play the game yet?
- even if they did, you won't be getting your key back if you find out they cheated the system.
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This might indeed be the end for giving away valuable keys here at SG.
At least for public giveaways. But I wouldn't worry about closed groups.
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This was always possible tho, so this changes really doesn't chane anything. You just had to use the support page, which takes like a minute. That's why I always make it a point to activate my gifted games myself after I see that they got the game. Doesn't hurt to be 100% certain.
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So I can finally purchase the Disney, Barbie ,Lego and such games...
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Great, now you reminded me of a very specific Student... no wonder everyone hate Ekaros!✋
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Finally I can hide this Hentai Milf Quiz I played for 44 minutes! I only played it for the achievements anyways! ;-)))
Nah, seriously. I dont really care if others can see what games I play/ed even if it's adult stuff.
But I really hope this feature won't/can't? be abused. :(
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As a true gigachad I have nothing to be ashamed of, rather add a whole showcase just for those 😎
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Does it also remove games from the "perfect games" section?
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we should all be forced to let the world see our degeneracy.
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Yes, but only for others who view your profile. You'll still see your stats as if you didn't private the game. It's kinda weird, why not make it so we also see the same thing as other people.
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Honestly I might be more willing to give the occasional idle game a shot now that it won't monopolize my library's playtime! I know a lot of people who were really into Cookie Clicker...
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Full information about the Shopping Cart and Private Games update on Steam
Note that this feature is currently only available to Steam Beta users, which is super easy to become:
Steam->Settings->Interface->Client Beta Participation->Select Steam Beta Update
In short, you can private any game you own, individually, and it won't show to anyone (friend or not). You are the only one who can see it. It even removes the game's stats (achievements from your Steam profile Achievement Showcase), but again, only for those looking at your profile. You still see the same stats as before (which is kinda weird). Anyway, I guess now you can culture yourself without having to explain it to your friends and family.
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