I usually only use 3D monitors (LGs are the best ones for it in my opinion) so can't really tell about 4K ones, sorry... but they are pretty much useless without a VERY powerful GPU (780ti or Titan).
Asus' screen don't trend to be very good, and it is the first time I've heard of liyama so I'd go for the Samsung one.
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I am very happy with my LG DM2780D-PZ (which is the same size as that one and also 3D). The 3D effect is better than the one in Samsung TVs, and it is quite nice, almost no ghosting at all.
They are able to convert 2D to 3D on the fly if you don't wanna have to lose performance and FPS when playing.
The only bad thing is the vision range, you may want to sit at a distance to see properly the upper and lower parts of it, but still way above the average on that compared to other LCD-TN monitors in that price range.
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No prob at all!
Btw, I was able to overclock the LG DM2708D from 60fps to 76fps @188.1Hz, I have no idea how much of a difference you can make with pixel-overclocking the 27MD53D (gotta be careful when doing so though).
The LG 27MD53D should include a free download of Tridef 3D, a very good program that converts any videogame into either 3D (with no graphic loss of any kind, but FPS will drop by 50% unless you have a powerful machine, which you seem to have) or into Power 3D (better than LG's 2D to 3D conversion because Tridef, being software, can calculate the depth of each pixel).
Either way, I'd recommend you to use Nvidia 3D Vision, it's better than Tridef (it is still the 2nd best 3D option for gaming).
3D Vision doesn't support every 3D monitor individually, they just released a generic passive 3D driver that is compatible with all LG, Asus, Acer, etc. passive 3D monitors. The only downside to using this generic driver is that Nvidia might start recognising your LG monitor as another class of monitor sold by Nvidia directly, but there's no quality loss or anything AT ALL, just the name of the device being changed (you can change it back manually if that may bother you).
This is the link for one of the generic 3D drivers.
I prefer Nvidia 3D Vision even if I have to tweak the drivers because of the performance improvement, bigger fidellity, and the fact that A LOT of games support Nvidia 3D Vision natively (Crysis games, Batman Arkham games, etc.) and they just look gorgeous, some of them even have different pre-rendered cutscenes just for 3D Vision.
Nevermind, I noticed you have an AMD card, in that case Tridef will do just fiiiine (it has a lot of customizing options in-game that 3D Vision lack, which is a plus). So forget all that I said about the thing with 3D Vision and the drivers and stuff.
Tridef should come in a CD, if that's the case don't lose, it's a modified version of the Tridef software that will make it free to use in any Rig with the LG monitor connected to it (if you use a generic 3D driver like the one I put before for use with 3D Vision, it may make Tridef unusable on your rig, but I haven't checked).
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O.o
Thanks a lot for the swift introduction :D
Yeah I do have AMD but I'm considering going for nVidia as they started to prioritize PC gaming experience, which is really awesome.
Anyways, as I didn't have any 3D experiences yet, your lil' review gave a picture. So thanks ^^
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No prob at all, sorry for my English though, it isn't my main language. :3
Btw, with my EVGA Nvidia Geforce GTX 760 SC SuperClocked I can obtain about 1300MHz in GPU clock and 3500MHz in terms of memory clock after doing a bit of overclocking, I think it may perform better than the GAINWARD you mentioned (but I gotta admit it does heat up the back of the PC a lot). You may wanna compare those two because it seems they are quite similar in specs (but in most cases the 780 should be a no-brainer anyways, just pointing out that those numbers in the GAINWARD seem a bit off).
And just checked, you can have Tridef installed and Nvidia 3D Vision as well while using that generic driver I mentioned earlier, so no issues on that! The last thing I would like to point out about the monitor is that, if you see some purple ghosting while using 3D, it's the glasses' fault and it means they sent you 3D TV glasses instead of 3D Monitor Glasses (they are the same but the lenses's polarization are turned 45º). I managed to use Cinema and TV glasses on my monitor by rotating the lenses 45º just in case I lost the ones that came with it.
And one last thing, my DM2708D-PZ is able to display a Full RGB range of colors, this means HSB ranges from 0 to 255, while most monitors can only show colors from 16 to 232. There are solutions online to hard-enable Full RGB color on a Nvidia card by tweaking a bit your computer's registry, you may have to calibrate the colors from the Nvidia control panel for Full RGB works in such different range and trends to crush black levels otherwise. But in my opinion, Full RGB does look a lot better than Limited RGB when properly calibrated.
Some games override every calibration made with either Nvidia or AMD control panels when in fullscreen, so you may need to use a program like Monitor Calibration Wizard to set your current calibration as the one to use all the time, even with fullscreen games.
And that's pretty much it, sorry if I annoyed you with my OCD-level of details there ^-^u
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lol this is actually pretty awesome ! You sire, are better then some reviewers :D
Even if you described it in a brief way, I could learn few things ^^
Well, neither am I an English native speaker, but I did not spot any issues with your English. So whats you native lang. ?
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Spanish, we don't have that good of a reputation when it comes to speaking foreign languages (and to an extent, we deserve it).
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Really? I've always lived here in the Canaries x3, but looking forward to leave to the UK or other place.
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Seriously ?
This is epic ! Ive lived 1yr in Las Palmas and then 2yrs in Santa Cruz de Tfe and Im still driving with the black dog sticker xD ...couldnt find chicharero sticker...hhahaha xD
Ive lived also 2yrs in Ireland and I have to warn you about the weather! If you are not winter person you might get depressions, not because of cold weather, but because the sun is really rare to see even during summer.
Even me and my friends were getting depressions after the 2yrs and we are used to have the most of the winters like that.
Anyways wish u luck with the trip ^^
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Lived in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria 90% of my life (a bit spent on Delhi, part of my family is from India).
I'm studying Architecture, I'm used to depressions. lol Seriously now, I'd have a reason to wear my collection of hoodies, I do love being able to play with winter clothing and I kinda feel lighter in cold weather.
And thanks! Nice chatting with ya, hopefully will be able to go one year or two to London to study Architecture there (Erasmus Project and stuff) x3
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4K is overrated. The human has about 2 million light receptors s his eyes. It is about same number as number of pixels in FullHD resolution. And in everyday use you will sit in such distance from the monitor that your eyesight will capture objects outside monitor. So There won't be any difference visible between 4K and FullHD. There will be some difference when you will look at the details - but it won't be noticeable. Also higher resolution will need more processing power from Graphic Card (GeForce Titan or GTX780 isn't powerful enough to run most modern games in 4K and High details - and in 4K and medium details games look worse than FullHD and High Details - unless you will put four of them in your PC)
So I would Buy FullHD or a little higher resolution, with best possible color reproduction, contrast and smallest reaction time. Saved money I would put into stronger graphic card or more RAM. 4K will be a good choice 2-3 years after first cheap 8K screens will become available.
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"The human retina contains about 120 million rod cells and 6 million cone cells"
the 6 million cone cells (per eye) are responsible for color vision
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You absolutely can tell the difference between 1080p and 4k resolutions. You might not be able to differentiate between individual pixels, but you put two displays side by side and you can certainly tell the difference. Even at the same distance and size.
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Thanks guys !
I think I'll take one of the cheaper screens for now and I'll wait for broadwell + maybe maxwell + DDR4 and a gSync Monitor or a cheaper 4k
BenQ GL2750HM
The 24" Acer Predator GN246HLBbid
ASUS VS278Q
The 3D Philips 278G4DHSD
iiyama ProLite B2780HSU
Samsung S27C750PS
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You will notice the 120Hz difference, but only for content that is both made of a higher number of frames to be rendered and as long as your hardware / software can actually push the higher number of frames. In my personal experience, most hardware struggles to keep up for hi-res video content at 120Hz, and the result looks unnatural and jerky. With limiters in place on the software side, things look better again, but that's removing the benefit of the 120Hz. Obviously, YMMV according to your hardware and content and as technology implementations improve.
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It depends on your rig. You'll only have use for such a high refresh rate if you have a rig that can run your games at that high refresh rate consistently, with no frame drops. As for the whole "the human eye can't see faster than 60 frames per second" nonsense, that is, well, bullcrap. The human eye sees things in a constant stream of data, there are no hard frame limits - it is an analogue, not digital device. You can most definitely see the difference between 60 and 70 FPS, and higher.
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It is not entirely true. Human eyes collect input and the brain needs to process this information, and it takes a while. So in the essence what you see is delivered to your brain in bursts - and they occur about 30 times per second. So in the essence - they also have framerates.
But not entire eye updates entire image at once, and both left and right eye are not synced. Which means that when you see game at 30 fps you can see some sort of distortions - because sometimes your left eye will see next frame before your right eye, and sometimes the right eye will see it first. Also your eyes are not synced with the image on screen, and you might sometimes see a single frame twice in a row - and it gets much more complicated on a screen with slow refresh rate, because you might capture easily your screen in a middle of changing frames. It means that you will see some sort of jagged edges, and gaps in straight lines, especially in fast moving scenes. At 60 fps both of this effects will disappear, but another effect might stay. Because the eye doesn't work all at once the part of your eye can sometimes see parts of different frame than the other part of your eye - it is not as unpleasant as 30 fps shuttering, but it might be noticeable. At 100-120 fps this will also vanish completely (it depends on the individual person at what framerate it will disappear) Going above 120 fps is a marketing stunt.
One more thing. 120 Hz doesn't always means the same thing. It sometimes means 120 fps, and sometimes that screen will change it's content 120 times a second. Which means it will lit up pixels 60 times, and turn them of 60 times in same second - in the essence it will give you only 60 fps. Again - it is a marketing stunt.
I hope everyone understands what I am trying to say. Please excuse me if you don't, but English isn't my first language - I could explain this better in Polish.
And I don't think I am competent enough to judge which of these monitors is better. At least not after looking just at a manufacturer's page. Search for some tests and try to find a store in which you will be able to see them in action (insist on playing your own video clip - something at FullHD or better, with a lot of colors, and fast moving images, recorded at 60 fps. Unfortunately the ones I am using are copyrighted, and I can't share them, and I don't have enough time to make a new sample)
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I recently bough this, Asus VN247H.Best Price/Performance monitor I've ever used, I recommend buying a 1080p monitor and a better GPU.4K is overrated and problematic at the moment.Also I'd recommend upgrading your GPU asap but stick with AMD.Nvidia is so damn overpriced, %10 more performance with %50 expensive price tag isn't worth it.
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If you're going to upgrade your GPU, you should definitely wait. There are new cards coming from both AMD and Nvidia.
If you are willing to take a small risk (no real warranty), I'd recommend checking out Korean 1440p monitors. They have PLS or IPS panels and some of them are overclockable (depends on the model). Overclocking a monitor means increasing the refresh rate. The cons with them are the aforementioned lack of warranty and the build quality of the frame. The actual panels are manufactured by known manufacturers (e.g. Samsung, LG) and the same panels are used in more expensive monitors.
I have a Qnix QX2710, which I have overclocked to 96Hz (some monitors can reach 120Hz or even 144Hz), and I don't really have any complaints about it. Buying an Asus monitor with the exact same panel (also can't be overclocked) would cost nearly 600€, but this only cost ~260€ + import tax, which was VAT (24%).
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I'm a mod on Blur Busters and I know a bit about monitors ;-)
4K monitors are not realistic for gaming at this point in time. Even with a Titan card (or even two of them in SLI.) It might be OK for old games, but then you have the problem of many older games not even supporting those resolutions. Some do, but some don't or don't scale well (for example you can get extremely tiny and unreadable HUDs and text.) 4K will probably be the thing 4-5 years down the line, but right now, they're not a good choice for the majority of gamers. Unless you're the kind of guy who can get a triple-780ti SLI system or something among those lines.
If you get a powerful GPU (currently that would be something like a 780/780Ti or Titan), then a 1440p monitor is mostly a good choice. Note though, that compared to 1080p, 1440p has over 70% more pixels, so naturally it requires a lot more GPU power (so now you get the idea why 4K is not realistic with today's GPUs.)
Since you're going with NVidia, a G-Sync monitor would be best. With G-Sync, you can get smoother gameplay even at lower and wildly fluctuating FPS (most of the time; it doesn't always help with game-engine related stutters). G-Sync is an alternative to V-Sync and is enabled though the NVidia control panel. Like V-Sync, it eliminates tearing, but doesn't have any input lag. It also eliminates framerate-related stutters since it makes the monitor adapt its refresh rate to whatever FPS you're currently getting in games. It only works with games that run in fullscreen mode though. Windowed mode or "fake fullscreen" mode does not work with G-Sync.
Currently, the only 1440p G-Sync monitor is the Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q. It's a 144Hz 27" 1440p monitor with a TN panel. But even though it's TN, it uses 8 bits per pixel as opposed to the vast majority of other TN monitors, that use 6 bits per pixel. It therefore has very good color reproduction for a TN. It also supports ULMB (like all G-Sync monitors do) which makes the monitor work more similar to a CRT, where the backlight switches off/on between frames in order to get blur-free animation. Note though that ULMB mode cannot be activated together with G-Sync at the same time; it's one or the other. There's reviews out already for this monitor. However, there's some downsides. First, it costs $800 (or 800€ in EU.) It's expensive. Second, it only has one DisplayPort input, nothing else. No DVI, no VGA, no HDMI. This is normal for G-Sync monitors, as G-Sync is DisplayPort-only.
If that's too much money (no shit, Sherlock) then another G-Sync monitor that has been announced and has an 8-bit TN panel is the Acer XB270HA. It's also a 27" 144Hz monitor, but it's 1080p, not 1440p. As a result, the pixel density is lower (meaning larger pixels.) For games and movies, that's not much of a problem. For text though, at 27" it's not going to be as sharp as a 1440p monitor. The pricing for this monitor though is better compared to the Asus. It will most probably be priced somewhere between $400 to $500.
There's more G-Sync monitors planned to be released by the end of the year and the beginning of 2015. You can find a list here.
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Thanks !
As before I started this thread, I did not even know the dif. between TN and IPS, I'm more inclined to wait for the rig upgrade till new Graca series comes out (should be Q4 2014 or Q1 2015). So basically that means that Im stuck with AMD 6870.
Im unsure whether this graca can do 120Hz at all so I guess I'll take the BenQ XL2720Z.
Would you recommend the BenQ monitor although it is TN or would you rather say to get another with IPS screen, as most people do ?
BTW, thanks for your page...saw pretty interesting stuff there...so i have saved it (u got new user here...lol xD)
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IPS has better image quality and better viewing angles. However, it is blurry with a moving picture (like in video games and movies.) IPS monitors also have much more input lag compared to TN.
If you're a casual gamer, then IPS will be fine. If you play video games a lot though, then you might be disappointed; playing a video game with an IPS can be quite the blur-fest. I personally can't stand the IPS blur when playing. I almost cant see any details in the game. It only looks great when nothing is moving, or moving very, very slowly. Even scrolling text and moving the mouse cursor can leave visible trails on an IPS.
The BenQ is a nice gaming monitor. However, at that price range you might also consider Samsung 120Hz TN monitors, since they are of comparable quality but usually cost less money. Your 6870 should have no problem driving monitors in 120Hz or 144Hz btw. As long as it has a DL-DVI ("Dual Link") connector, you will be fine.
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Hey guys,
I need assistance with choosing the right Monitor as my old one is slowly yet surely dying sob .
First I was thinking of a 4K screen like Samsung's U28D590D or Asus's PB287Q, but than again, presently I still have i5 2500K sandy bridge CPU + AMD 6870
Then I thought to buy the nVidia's GAINWARD GTX780 Phantom GLH and to get one of the cheaper screens like Samsung's S27C750PS, Asus's VK278Q, or Iiyama's ProLite GB2773HS
... BTW, I'm upgrading my PC in 2015 anyways, as I'm waiting for the Broadwell CPU's
So...any advice ?
THANKS !
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