People put other people on their blacklist for all the wrong reasons anyways.
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So true, but the part I don't get is stating the fact that you do so. Is it the tiniest semblance of authority or power that makes them do it? I'm probably thinking too much into it...either way I'm whitelisting you for engaging in the discussion!
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At last! Finally someone who see's the same. I notice that the people who are at the high level of Steamgifts tend to accomodate in these behaviors. It gives them a higher sense of authority and feels that they are the master of to which the lower levels are to bow down to them.
Alas! When the peasants (lower levels), try to speak the truth of their unjust ways; they will not only be punished by the knights (higher levels), but rather all the nights will join and punish them (with their blacklist). Alas, the peasants cannot do anything as their are weak and powerless.
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Hehe, I think we see this very similarly. We should play videogames together!
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Isn't it ironic that we, the lower levels bow down to the higher levels? I mean, there should be a different phrase for that matter in english, something like bowing up or at least we should master the skills of bowing down to such point it's really a proper decent bowing eligible to be used in such honorable situations of "bowing up"!
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Unless the user specifically asked not to say thanks, then yes, it is a very scumbag move.
Then again, I don't really care about getting blacklisted by some random stranger. It's their business if they dislike me. Heck, I was blacklisted recently by a user for asking them to avoid necro'ing four months old threads. Heh. :P
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Jebus I hate necroposting, you see a thread in the top that is interesting, then you look at the date and it is from eons ago.
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Yeah. He might have blacklisted me before that and I just never noticed. He didn't giveaway much anything either way, so I don't really care.
Besides, I mostly only enter for whitelist/group giveaways, so public gifters blacklisting me doesn't do much to me.
Like I said, if they hate me and adding me to a blacklist make them feel better about themselves, I'm fine with that, bring on the hate. :B1:
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The calling out rule doesn't permit me to tell you here. :P
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These people generally write in the description that you will be blacklisted if you say thanks. They are not blacklisting for showing gratitude, they are blacklisting for not even bothering reading the description before entering (or using an auto-enter script)
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Ok, that I sort of understand. Reminds me of 'when all else fails, read the directions'.
P.S. - you have the coolest profile pic ever
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Probably think you're a bot and I don't blame em. I like to include more than a thank you in my posts, and while I don't black list those who say it, I tend to white list those who say something else in regards to my description. Hopefully will be able to show those some love when I get a chance.
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Some user's use "thank you" bots; thus making some people blacklist others for saying "thank you". Many times people aren't blacklisted when they say something like "thank you (insert name here)"; although it is not hard to program a script to do that anyways.
I personally blacklist no one, nor do I plan to. I see many people who have high Steamgifts levels blacklists many people, I see their methods as unnecessary and put due to their imaginative dominance that they have in an unjust world. I hate it when people blacklist others for not "reading the FAQ", or making newbie mistakes. Sure they made a mistake once, but move along. They will learn and live, no need to push other people off of a cliff due to a mistake that they will probably not make in the forseeable future.
Sure, some people are blacklisted for legitimate reasons, but most of the reasons make absolutely no sense. I personally believe that the implementation of the blacklist system in Steamgifts will ultimately lead to its downfall, as it leads many new users away. Alas, there is nothing much we can do about it.
I also imagine those people who blacklist people for uneccesary reasons puttin' me on their blacklist right now; I cri as it happens. Alas, there is nothing I can do about it.
EDIT: But if they say in their desc. not to do this or that. And doin' this or that; then I see a legitimate reason to blacklist.
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I have to say, this was an interesting read. I tend to write something different in every GA I enter, and read the description. I was one of those users who learned from one of those "you did not read the FAQ" bans, and never felt the need for a blacklist. I like to think a good reason for blacklist are ignoring the description, knowingly making a fake GA (not just one that isn't on the list) and repeated offenses, etc. pretty much being a jerk.
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Many user's use "thank you" bots
Citation? How many? How many as a percentage of the user base? While I know there are add-ons that auto thank, the number of users posting/complaining/ and pissing about people thanking make it sound like its the vast majority of users. The only reason I give two shits is because I use, USE to thank in every giveaway, but have stopped since its just not worth being lumped with the supposed botters.
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People slowed down on level 0/publics as soon as it was implemented to allow it. Auto enter and auto thank and every other add on has little IMO to push that. If people could make any level giveaways, regardless of their own giveaways, 50% of all giveaways would be level 10 just because.
And that still doesnt source the number of users using said "auto thank" scripts, which was the topic. I cant believe that the majority of people would stop making giveaways do to auto thanks in their giveaways. It would have more to do with, "leechers", or "newbies", or rule breakers or any number of OTHER reasons than being auto thanked. If it was such a huge issue, CG should just remove notifications from giveaway posts like SGv1 had by default. That would solve the theoretical problem of being over thanked or fake thanked or w/e.
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You can have it so a reply is given a notification, but a first post isnt. IE if you post to my giveaway something, I wont get a notification, but if I post in yours, and you reply to my comment, I would get a notification exactly like now. Not perfect, but its the best solution outside of adding personalized settings, which would require a lot of work.
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Ok, chill out; so need to make such a big deal out of a small situation. I mistakenly misreported the situation; that was a fault of my part and I am sorry for the misunderstanding.
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I have to admit, this thread made me smile, but won't say thanks for that, just in case. :)
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If somebody asks not to be thanked, then I'm fine with it, but I saw a GA a week or two ago where the guy actually threatened this - he said if you thank me I'll blacklist you, and put a snarky little smiley at the end of the sentence. Screw that dick, I blacklisted him on general principle.
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that is when you post "no gratitude shown, wouldn't want to be blacklisted"
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Dear god, I think I know of this one. Pretty sure I blacklisted them as well.
Edit: Was it "If you want say someting, please no "thanks" :)"
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Honestly I used to thank in giveaways not knowing about the bots at all, but then I saw it.. People blacklisting for saying thanks? What the heck? It's honestly weird. I mean, it's really nothing to it, it's not that hard to say thank you even without bot, I've never used a bot to do that for me and I always thought it's the least I can do if someone is giving me a nice chance to win a game for free, I genuinely wanted to show my gratitude because when I was a kid that's what I was taught is the right thing to do when someone is doing me a favor and I believed that at least such small feedback as saying "thank you" does make the creators feel some satisfaction. I guess that wasn't exactly true in many cases.
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Same. Someone gives me a chance to win something nice? I say thank you, because I am thankful. Though I don't post it on a giveaway if someone asks me not to. But now I'm kinda weirded out by the thought. Not that I care about being blacklisted, but still.
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Aside mentioned before the bot reason or reason that people don't read descriptions. There is other side to thanking beforehands only for tiny chance and it creates psychologically that the person diminishes or belittles the whole "thanking ritual" (as with any other words that are used way too much by person) and in many cases it is true.
For me thanking should be only done after you get the actual game as a way to show good manners and common courtesy. But I can't and won't forbid someone to thank me beforehands even if they don't win the giveaway.
That being said everyone should be free to manage their own whitelist or blacklist with purely within their own reasonings.
and for gif waiting people here is some random gif about social darwinism :D
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This is because unfortunately at this time you can't select to disable notifications on comments in a GA, but frankly, this should be a feature, since many people use the Discussions portion of the Site, and With Both GA's and social content going on at the same time, through the same notifications, the Thank you comments Essentially become background chatter that you should be able to "Filter" out, but they have as yet not Implement those kind of options
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You cannot disable them but you can filter them.
When you are on your messages page, you can see on the left 4 categories : giveaways, trades, discussions & tickets.
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I'm thinking of using my blacklist for people who 'misuse' their blacklist. It's like a buffet! So many people to choose from!
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If someone says to do something, I do (within reason, asking me to use a referral link to a site we don't have here... no, I can't do that even if I want to!). If someone says not to do something I don't. If they don't say anything at all, I may or may not do something! Usually a silly joke or pun based on the game title, username or image.
My Blacklist contains only one person! If you happen to be that person, we can talk!
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I wonder how many blacklists I'm on then. I always thank people unless I'm told not to or to say something else. I thought it was polite. :/
There's literally 4 people on my blacklist. All there because of particularly atrocious behavior (as in comments here, talking with me personally on Steam, etc. - not mistakes with rules or something else minor).
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Same. I only blacklist people for those reasons, or because they were going on about breaking the rules and not giving a fuck. "I screwed up, and I don't care if you blacklist me or not! I regret nothing!" or "Blacklist me, then! It's not like I give a fuck."
I dislike that kind of sass. Though I will remove the latter if they acknowledge their mistakes.
Because of those reasons, I'm sure that my BL will continue to be very small.
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Jup. The way I see it is that when someone doesn't behave properly he deserves to be on my blacklist.
Story time:
I once had someone contacting me on steam and then claiming that the key I sent him was invalid. The key was from a humble bundle that I bought two days before the giveaway. Even though I didn't believe him, I offered him a different game (I have some games that still need to be activated on steam). His response: "Give me your f**cking game" (without the stars and with the normal letters of course). That was it for me. Black listed and blocked on steam.
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Lol been blacklisted a lot for that. Lesson learned DONT BE NICE!!!
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Heh, http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/KSF3e/zombie-driver-hd-brutal-car-skins - a little twist :P
Don't know about others, but I'd rather get no notifications then "fake 'thanks' from autojoiners". But even then I probably wouldn't blacklist people, even when I write something like that in description, as I consider blacklist to be something for a really bad people.
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Scroll to bottom for tl;dr version.
The first time I saw a "don't thank me unless you want to be on my blacklist" giveaway, I thought, "that's kind of harsh." Then I noticed that many, many users thank anyway. I had no idea about thank bots before that, though I wasn't surprised. After a while, I asked not to be thanked in a few of my giveaways. Replying with "thanks" is useless to me.
Why do I not want simple replies of "thanks"?
It does not bump the giveaway. Replies to giveaways do not function like normal threads. Your reply does not help more people get a chance to enter (not that decreasing one's own odds would be very rational anyway).
Thanks is a way of expressing appreciation. But appreciation is implied in the very act of entering the giveaway; thanks is merely redundant. You don't need to write the lottery commission a letter thanking them for the $50 you won on a scratch card. The fact that you bought a scratch card and redeemed your winnings implies the sentiment expressed by that further, extra communication.
Replies to giveaways register as message alerts for the giver. If you come back to the site and you have a number of messages and all of them are just people saying "thanks" you have checked your messages for no reason. If there are "legitimate" replies that may require a response for you, they may be buried or sandwiched under mounds of replies that serve little useful function. I am not a popular enough giver to have the problem of not visiting the site for a day while my popular AAA title's giveaway has ended, thus having a mound of messages to sift through for the ones that deserve consideration and attention, but I'm sure others do have that problem.
If you "thank" givers such that your replies could be switched all around with zero confusion because each time you thanked it was a contextless, automatic, robotic response, then how is that sincere? It isn't, to me. If your responses are indistinguishable from a slightly more complex script that randomly selects one of several variations of thanks, that's not good, and it's especially not good if your responses can't be distinguished from a simple script that posts the exact same six characters over and over. Hell, I've even had people thank me twice for the same giveaway.
Now, if someone else wants thanks, that's fine. I saw a giveaway where someone required replies to the giveaway, or you'd be blacklisted. I didn't like that, so I didn't enter the giveaway.
If you want to thank me and say something, anything, that indicates that you're a human being replying to this specific giveaway, then that's more than welcome. "Thanks for the giveaway. I always wanted to try PAYDAY 2 but none of my friends play it and I've heard there's a lot of DLC and that it's very tough for new players, what do you think?" or "Thanks, I liked the original PAYDAY but I haven't tried the sequel. I saw General McBadass playing it on Twitch the other day though and it looked awesome."
It's not so much that receiving a thank you is so terrible, or I'm some high level jerk lording my huge e-penis over others (I'm only level 4). It's that as thanks currently functions and is used, it's more often than not (at least in my shitty giveaways) a sign of someone who is using a bot or not paying attention, and while I'm sure there were lots of sincerely thankful people who liked to post thanks, that sort of thing has been ruined by unappreciative people who number too significantly for some givers.
tl;dr: I don't mind thankful replies to threads, but if your reply is indistinguishable from a bot script, then that's not very useful, and ends up just being spam to me. Plus, I figure people are thankful because they enter the giveaway, and because if they win they mark the item as received. That's all I need, personally.
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Personally i only blacklist serial regifters than again my giveaway lvl isnt impressive but i dont think level matters tbh i can understand both sides of the discussion of this. seems mods have (temp) banned majority alrdy GJ MODS!
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...people that blacklist others for saying 'thank you. I've seen quite a few recently and it has me wondering...how big of an asshole do you have to be to effectively punish someone for showing gratitude?
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