so then i says, i says, hey what am i chopped liver?
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DS2 is too easy I think. I beat half of the bosses in first or second try. Also you gain too much level which makes it even easier.
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They got me with the jump change... on the first one is so meh
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But couldn't you farm the same enemies over and over again in the first one while in the 2nd they changed it so they stopped spawning after you killed them 10 times ?
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I was SL190 or so when I completed DS2 without farming anywhere.
I was SL60 or something like that when I completed DS1 without farming. I missed a few important places but if you add them you should be around SL80.
In DS2 I could fast roll with a decent armor, had huge amount of hp and stamina, high dex and str. In DS1 everything was just as it's supposed to be. The only thing I hate about ds2 is difficulty.
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If you're a member of the Company of Champions covenant (you take more dmg, you do less dmg) you can still farm enemies without them disappearing. That doesn't include mobs that are only killable once per playthrough.
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Just the level design on DS1 puts every game to shame
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Its level design is so genius, that I think they made it accidentally.
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Further unpopular opinion: Demon's Souls > Dark Souls Trilogy
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I'm pretty sure the hardest game on steam is Long Live The Queen anyway .
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Pretty sure the question wasn't which one makes you hardest :P
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I got eye cancer just looking @ the screenshots of that game .
With all seriousness tho i cannot play anything with Orangy Lava colors ... makes my eyes hurt after 15m at most :/
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One day I will beat that game. I'm still grumpy how I lost the end batte...
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XCOM 2 Long War 2 is coming out to blow that out of the water in difficulty.
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Acording to your profile you played it for 180 hours... wow O_O
Any particular reason why you dislike Dark Souls? I'm kinda curious.
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If you mean graphically, DSfix is needed because shitty port.
For mechanics.... yeah like backstabbing is broken in DS1
Though not much is broken, overall I believe almost all deaths I ever had in any DS were my fault.
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Since you seem very passionate about Devils Daggers what do you like so much about it ? I think I picked it up in the 1$ Tier of some Humble Bundle but haven't tried it out yet because the graphics look like they would cause me headaches.
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I tried it for a few runs, and also just got dizzy from it, the whole game is so dark that I completely lose my sense of direction, like fighting darker coloured enemies in black space :|
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I think it wouldn't be my kind of game anyway because graphics aside it appears to be a fast paced arena shooter without story but this is the 2nd thread he made about it and the 2nd time he compared it to the Souls games (which don't seem to have anything in common beside being hard) so I was wondering why he likes it so much.
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Would you still recommend it to somebody who tried other Arena shooter (for example Nexuiz) and did not like them or is it just for fans of the genre ?
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DS1 IS a console game of course it is console-oriented. It is a port. It is buggy and there is a fix for the frame-cap.
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Changing to 60fps wont make you much difference in that game, it was made for 30fps.
In fact you will be more prone to bugs
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Perfect physics where daggers are not subject to gravity?
Anyway, I'm not in a position to argue with you since I can't see myself ever playing it. It just doesn't appeal to me. It reminds me of the demos that cracking crews used to make for the Amiga 500 in the late 80s.
What I want to ask is the obvious question implicit in your statement - what, in your opinion, is the best game ever made?
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What do you like about Dwarf Fortress? I'd never heard of it so I had to look it up. Reading about it reminded me of J.R.R. Tolkien, who developed epic backstory for Lord of the Rings, complete with invented languages, geography and mythology. Is it the massive level of complexity at multiple levels and the unpredictable consequences of these things interacting that you like?
From the two games you mentioned, it seems like you really appreciate the reward of learning something that makes the ongoing job easier. From what I've read, Dwarf Fortress certainly gives you that. However, inherent in this is the reason I wouldn't rank it as the greatest ever game: the lack of an intuitive interface. For my money, the greatest game of all time should output data (e.g. graphics and sounds) in a form that easily allows meaningful interpretation of what is going on, and it should also incorporate an intuitive, or at least easily learned, control system. Dwarf Fortress appears to have a magnificent underlying mechanism, but apparently, the interface is too significant a barrier for many. I also see that it is still in beta, with the current version being 0.43.05 and Bay 12 describing it as a work in progress, which also isn't in its favour.
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Is it the massive level of complexity at multiple levels and the unpredictable consequences of these things interacting that you like?
I can answer for myself, yes. It's probably the most fun I've ever had with an "unfinished" game. It is in a perpetual state of development, yet it already offers so much for so little. It helps, a lot, that I have been a zealous champion of Dwarves for many years, and that the developer is truly interested in making the most uniquely challenging and still fun experience for the players. It's also rightfully beloved for the community's involvement in the game and that the Adams' brothers take what they say seriously.
I've never enjoyed "losing" in a game more.
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Cool! It certainly sounds finished enough for them to give it a 1.0 version number and declare it official - they have said that it is 10 years since it has been released (which is when most people do that). I guess they just want to keep being really active with development. It does certainly sound interesting and I've downloaded the game but will save installation for a time that I feel motivated to really put some time into it.
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I haven't played a lot yet because I was kind of overwhelmed by the complexity but just in case you didn't know (or it's not automatically included) there are texture packs that turn the Asci graphic the game normally uses into icons that are a bit easier to recognize and more pleasant to look at ;)
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That sounds like something I'd appreciate. I don't mind the idea of ASCII graphics, but it sounds like there's a bit much variety/detail in this game for them to do a good job of representing what when they're trying to.
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what do you like so much about it
Dark Souls challenges you with its difficulty of gameplay.
Devil Daggers challenges you with its difficulty of gameplay AND difficulty of being able to look directly at it.
Clearly, as Devil Daggers appeals to greater masochistic demands, it is the superior game.
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I haven't played any of the Souls games yet but I think they are intentionally "broken" on PC because many PC gamers don't like to pay for their games. So why put much effort into something that's going to get stolen anyway ?
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While this might be true for Devil Daggers it does not match the numbers I've heard for most high-profile titles.
But even if the stick to those 25%... I for example own a legit copy of Devil Daggers but how much did I pay for it ? 33 cent!
I bet publishers must the rubbing their hands to get that sweet, sweet quarter :D
The priority is obviously where the money is. That's just the way of the world.
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...So what you're saying is most people on PC are pirates.
You're saying this on a website for STEAM gifts. You are insulting the PC gaming community as a whole on a PC gaming website...granted one that provides evidence to the point "PC gamers don't like to pay for their games"(fun fact: Most people like to get more things they like for less effort, this is why computers(including consoles) actually exist).
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Please keep in mind that I said many. I didn't say most and I most certainly didn't say all.
I'm also saying this on a website that probably has the highest percentage of non-pirates in the PC gaming community.
I'm not trying to insult anyone just trying to explain why with the combination of Piracy and "I'll buy it when it's 1$" mentality (refer to my next comment for that) PC has become the neglected stepchild and many big titles are just lazy console ports.
But if anybody feels insulted enough by my thought on that matter they are free to blacklist me if they wish to do so.
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Guess I took that too personally, sorry. Though I don't "buy it when its $1", I do usually go for sales(because why WOULD I want to do that?).
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He's not far off, DS barely get ported to PC - I think the reason was that they didn't thought that there'll be any demand for a game like that (Japanese game industry trying to understand the west, GG) and partial reason can be the piracy as well. In Japan PC as a gaming platform is rare, the country's gaming is incredibly console-based. Given how easy is to pirate on PC compared to consoles and their lack of experience about western gaming, it really can be a strong secondary reason as well.
(+ who cares what Sundance says about gamers, even if he means is that way (he doesn't) ? When we say how terrible things people capable of after watching the news, we won't get randomly offended that we're people as well and we wouldn't start a shootout or something. There's no need ever to get that identified with any group)
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"Given how easy is to pirate on PC compared to consoles and their lack of experience about western gaming"
Well, it's certainly a true comparison. Actually, that's a good point about "western gaming", too. Our gaming culture is probably more rooted in the personal computer culture in a lot of ways(because if your country gets to have Jobs(Apple computers originally were the ones that played more games) AND Gates, you shall take advantage). However, you got me reading about this subject, and according to (the best source ever) Wikipedia, Japan actually did have a pretty big PC gaming market despite the NES being an early success.
However, they also apparently picked up "mobile gaming" culture first. YOU ARE THE ONES WHO MADE SIMCITY BUILDIT! AHHHH!
What was I talking about again?
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Devil Daggers also lacks in graphic quality and gameplay depth, by comparison.
But that aside, and speaking only from experience of the first game, I can agree that the rolling is clumsy, but I haven't had any of the other problems you noted below [post DS-Fix]. Then again, from what I understand [and as stated on the mod's Nexus page], DS-Fix doesn't always work- so you may just be unlucky in that regard.
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I think you couldn't get DSfix to work
I have played with pretty much no problems after that.
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Never had actions or bonfires not work Only glitch I had from DSfix was rarely if I slid down a ladder i would go through the ground and die. When it comes to sensitivity, I use a controller for that game. Keyboard and mouse for it sound like hell.
Also if the game is 20 fps then DSfix is not working
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Not completely then. If it was working properly then you would get 60 fps
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You'll never run Dark Souls 1 at 60fps with that, though stable 30 should be possible.
You must be doing something wrong. If you want, I can help you troubleshoot it, add me on Steam and I'll help you.
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I just kinda hope that it's not that stupid as it sounds, but maybe negative mouse acceleration? Metal Gear Revengeance is pretty bad with mouse as well, because wider or faster movements barely works compared to gentle, little movements - maybe similar.
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Dark Souls challenges you with its difficulty of gameplay.
I don't think that enemies that attack you through walls mean "difficulty" :)
I'm halfway your statement and ambidot's. DS is incredibly broken in many aspects and locations, but it's fairly consistant in that, so technically it's learnable. But when a part of gameplay boils down to remember the spots when you / the enemies can attack something that you shouldn't, that game is really badly done. Can be great fun for people, but it's still an unpolished games with broken parts.
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DS is easy because is try and mistake the whole time. Of course you die a lot and get frustrated but... If you can learn, you can finish it. If I finished it, anybody can!
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Games aren't solely judged by how difficult they are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That said I haven't played either to any great extent since they aren't my kind of games.
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I suppose it depends on your definition of "broken", seeing how many people love the Dark Souls franchise it stands to reason that it's not considered broken in a general sense, though I personally am no fan of the gameplay either. From what I can surmise from the Steam pages, they're different kind of games and you simple prefer one over the other. No point comparing apples to oranges.
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Just because Dark Souls' PC port is bad doesn't mean the game is inherently bad. If not Arkham Knight would be the worst game ever.
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Haven't tried Gods Must Die, but Hell and Hell was freakin' hard.
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The one thing ds1 has in its favour, undoubtedly, is that the map is really well thought out. I much preferred bloodborne to it anyway, but wouldn't be putting any of those near best ever game
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I agree with most of what you said.
OP sounds like a troll
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I cannot take him seriously. It just sounds like he's making fun of the topic. The against DS arguments and pro other games (as if those are also against DS) sound very exaggerated and childish, I'll just assume it's some kind of humor I don't understand well.
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it feels like pinball, which is fun for a short time, but very soon feels pointless and no matter how well it is made, there's simply not much to it.
You just defined arcade games with not much change to them, but score-attack and consistantly performing good. You just don't like arcade ones, there's nothing bad in it. (Though pinball and devil daggers have a "little" difference in intensity ^^ )
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ITT: validating one's opinion by discrediting another's. Again.
I have nothing against Devil Daggers and you're free to like it better than Dark Souls, but come on. This is pretty much a "mooom, tell them to stop liking things I don't like!" situation.
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comparing "smol" but neat biscuit, to big rice cake with plot and purpose ... just:
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Read through comments, sounds like the salty shit again, there's not even a discussion posted. There have been multiple threads with similar titles that I'm inclined to think that this is spam.
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If you want to play a work of art, play Unreal Tournament. If there ever was something that could be called a perfect game, this'd be it. Comes with a singleplayer campaign for all your SP needs, a plethora of game modes to play on some of the most balanced maps ever made, and every single gun in it can be used to surprising devastating effect (I can actually hit harder with the BioRifle than the Minigun)
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I can actually hit harder with the BioRifle than the Minigun
I don't believe you >_>
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What I usually do is equip the rifle in close-quarters maps (Floating Pyramid and Condemned, that domination map with buildings all around and great music, are the ones I can think of atm), and use the alt fire to charge up the bio-sludge. So whenever I see an enemy I frag immediately, and they die instantly because a fully charged attack is very, very powerful plus you do not need to be 100% accurate, if they step on it they'll still die. And on the other hand I suck with the minigun, I had started my fire on another guy and kept firing at him directly till he ran up to me and Flak Cannon'd me into oblivion ;_;
Though it's a completely different fact that I use neither the BioRifle nor the Minigun that much, Pulse Gun and Flak Cannon are life <3 (and I like the Shock Rifle's shockburst combo, it has a great AoE damage)
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If I'd ever try your technique I'll probably die instantly 'cause my aiming skills with it are not so good ><
Anyway I totally agree with you for the Flak cannon. That is my gun <3
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