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Steamdb.info can tell some things: if you open a Steam page, like http://store.steampowered.com/app/201810/ then replace the beginning as http://steamdb.info/app/201810/ and you will see the discounts. As this particular game is 85% discounted in Store and the Ruble price is discounted 77.3% compared to USD, its theoretical discount is 1-(1-0.85)*(1-0.773)=0,96595=96.595%, which is more than 90 (95?), and that is how it got bundled (though it happened in November).
Practically if you see something at 85% discount in the Store, it is bundled already (bundling happens retroactively, see http://www.sgtools.info/lastbundled, and http://www.steamgifts.com/bundle-games of course)
Besides actual bundles, coupon giveaways (AlienWare, Golden Joystick, etc.) and price glitches all count, yes.
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Wow, thanks a lot for the thorough explanation, this really helps! :D
I'm surprised this game isn't on the list then, since I came up to 96% with your formula.
Might get added later I guess.
And wow, that with the coupons sucks actually, since there's no real way to know if they exist or not for a certain game without owning them :\
I might have mentioned to some of my friends that my next thread on here might be a birthday/event thread, which obviously this one isn't ;)
You might wanna check this out.
Thanks again for the help :)
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And wow, that with the coupons sucks actually, since there's no real way to know if they exist or not for a certain game without owning them
Coupons you get via crafting badges do not count, as they are sparsely available. However when AlienWare or other sites give away thousands of Steam coupon codes ("CD keys" producing a coupon), that counts (if the resulting discount is over 95% in any region, compared to the US base price - while it can not really happen with a single 50-75% coupon, sometimes they stack with store discounts).
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The applicable ones (95% off of US price IN ANY REGION) should already be bundled for deals that were part of the entire sale. If any were shorter and started later, they may not be added, but the big sale should have been addressed already.
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That's actually the one I was wondering about, since I really want it myself it's the perfect game to give away :D
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Oh wait it might not be. Seems like Russian value isn't >95%. I just went off on the general rule that >85% will probably be bundled cause russian pricing.
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Since my friends voted for "multiple small gifts" I'm currently looking through the best deals to buy as many games with positive rating as I can with what money I saved up.
Most games are on the bundle list, but I found two games that with the formula shared by teve are at 96% but not on the list. Should I assume they will be added later?
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Yeah. Lords of the Fallen was only .05c under the 95% bundling rule and got bundled.
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Whoa, okay, this helps a lot.
Thank you! :D
And please look forward to at least one whitelist giveaway :)
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To help you further, I suggest using Enhanced Steam add on. It gives you the option to view regional prices for games on the store page if you use the web version. Helps me a lot when double checking and computing.
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Yep, there's some things that need changing, but it'd be a lot of work overhauling the system :\
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Yeah, and it's dumb because RU/CIS discounts count as well. Their games are so cheap all the time that games that are even moderately discounted get bundled because of RU/CIS, even though the "bundled" game is ROW!
Plus if you buy for example Elite Dangerous for $59.99 on day one and make a GA, your CV will be $60. But then it just slowly goes down with the sales until you end up with like $10 CV even though you gave away a AAA game on day one just because the current price is lower.
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I was concerned with that. I know it said that bundled status would be applied retroactively, but I assumed it meant only from the date it was bundled (as in, if you gave it away after its bundled, but before SG could add it to the list). If what you say is correct, that is pretty mad, because ultimately every game will end up heavily discounted.
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I assume the point of it is so that people who have already reached the high levels don't stop making giveaways (because they want to keep their level up). But ultimately it's more likely to just make people only give away games that are already super cheap so they don't have to pay for it in the future.
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Exactly. By messing with CV after the GA, you're discouraging giving away good games. I for sure would have bought several at least AA titles to giveaway during the Steam sale but then my CV would be ruined as the games age and therefore make it into bundles and high discounts
It's discouraging giving away good games, not promoting it.
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Yes, it's true. SG gets prices from steam database so if a game's base price goes down so does your contribution.
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And that's dumb and make no sense because the creator gave it away BEFORE that happened.
That's like giving away an iPhone 4 when it's brand new. That should count as $700 since it's brand new. However, once it gets old and the 4s, 5, 5s, 6, and 6s come out, the value of giving away an iPhone 4 should be decreased - I agree. But for the people that gave one away when it was new should still keep their $700 contribution since that's what it was worth.
It's the same situation.
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Agreed, SG should have a fix priced database for this to work though and I don't see it happening; they seem to want to automate the running of the site as much as they can.
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It's easy to automate. They already save the date of when a game was bundled in the bundle database. It's just a simple check to see if GA creation was before date of bundle.
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I suppose bundles already work that way. Problem is with base price drops with non bundled games.
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I don't think you lower your CV when game gets old. If your game is marked as received 0n january 4th, and it is bundled on january 5th, you wont get cv decrease. However, if someone buys it on 5th, but the poor guy that has to watch for all the bundles alones sees that it was bundled 4 days laterm the guy that bought on fift decreases in CV, but 4th doesn't. Sorry for my broken English
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It doesn't work that way, no. Giveaways before bundle date gets full cv.
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I am not talking about bundles, i am talking about base prices on steam. If game is $30 when you giveaway but after a while it becomes $20 then your cv goes down.
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It's typically 90-95%, that's the rule of thumb I use.
But some are already counted, so.. :(
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https://steamdb.info/sales/
Check the price of the item here, if the lowest price is less then 5% of US price its a bundle
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Games get added on bundle list with reasoning provided by tevemadar in 1st post.
Like I was waiting for Lords Of The Fallen™ to be bundled, and it was added on 3rd January (with 22nd December date) - just as I was expecting xD
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Believe the cut off is around 80-85% off now due to RU prices. Not sure how Shobo plans to handle the sale, so we'll just have to wait and see.
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I don't think discounts should count at all. You're still buying the game and discounts just complicates it.
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The problem is that the ruble keeps dropping, so having a fixed priced becomes difficult. There are also RU only sources for keys that also affect the bundle list which just complicate things further.
In short, I feel sorry for Shobo D:.
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RU gifts are region locked.. So why does it make any sense to bundle ROW ones when ROW copies are still above the threshold?
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To prevent abuse. It is easy to make a small group or private gib of a locked game and just have those who live in the same region enter. The site cannot tell the difference between a locked or RoW game.
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Humble bundle tier 3 had Tomb Raider GOTY.
But what if down the line you bought the GOTY edition for full price or from the Steam store and gave it away? You'd get like $1 CV. That's so dumb,
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The site cannot differentiate copies from bundles and those from retailers. This is why we have the strict binary nature of the list. It is not perfect but the best possible solution for the current system.
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You can give full CV to giveaways created before the date of bundle. On and after the date of bundling, they can be dropped.
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That is how the bundle list currently works. The retro active nature of the list only applies due to the fact that it is manually updated by a single person and he sometimes misses stuff or is busy. Even when something is retro bundled, it only goes so far as to when it was in an actual bundle or when the price got too low.
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Humble Bundle tier 3s don't usually end up on the bundle list, so it must have been otherwise discounted. Just saying ^^
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Hello!
Does anyone know if the Winter Sale deals, if applicable, are already on the bundle list? I saw a bundle that was just released a few days ago was already added, but the sale also has a lot more games to work through, so I'm not sure.
I also have a hard time telling if games are cheap enough in other regions to end up on the list, is there an easy way to check?
And do coupon deals count towards bundeling?
Monsters, please don't count this post! D:
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