I think so, so I jumped in! Can't wait for the pitchforks. :D
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Just a new quote-unquote "parody" incident, I'm guessing.
And with a little glance into the comment chains, it seems to be complete with the same degree of transparency on the real intentions. :u
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You can't stop the sheep, but you can look for the friendly foxes.
Be patient young one, I'll make a sweater out of you soon Uroboros.
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And those got eventually closed (and having been part of the other, i understand now how annoying it might have been). I feel everyone should be treated equally, here too.
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Oooh, interdasting idea. Perhaps mine has some validity to it and the others don't. ;D
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Even if that claim was true, how would that be a problem for gender equality, treating people as equals ain't that hard.
Noone puts effort into this shit anymore. This shit honestly ain't amusing when you just repeat some random irrelevant joke, put some effort in please, or just laugh at shit instead of trying to making your own.
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Sorry but your points have no weight here. I don't care about your opinion on what you consider "this shit" because my thread has nothing to do with that "shit". It's as if you didn't even read what I said.
If you want to be or think you are different, you cannot be equal.
Learn what logic is before attempting to reply to my topic please. <3
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You said two sentences , you didn't have an idea or make a point.
and we all are different anyway, doesn't mean we can't treat each others as equals. Unless you think we need to eradicate racial, sex, disablity, ect equality too.
What is your point, people who don't identify as male or female are lesser or greater and should be treated as such?
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Sad to see such ignorance on here. I won't be replying to your negativity. When you decide to change your attitude feel free to reply again.
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Refuting you point then asking you to clarify isn't negative your condescending remark was. Don't start controversy if you can't handle a discussion.
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You didn't refute anything. You instead just made comments that make no sense and do nothing but unfortunately make you look less than intelligent. Please, carry on if that's what you wish to do but keep in mind, inferred from your own words, you've yet to understand the logic I posited.
Edit add: If you understand arithmetic this might be easier to comprehend:
if 1 = 1
then 1 =/= 2,3,4,5...,∞
therefore >9000 =/= 1
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So you don't understand what people mean by equality?
No shit were not equal, were all different. People shouldn't be denied rights or opportunities based on race, sexuality, sex, gender identity, ect. That's what people want when they say they want equality. They want all People to be treated with the same level od respect, not for you to call every man, woman, and people who don't identify as either all she, 'cause if they were truly equal they'd all ve exactly the same.
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I actually do, and it seems you don't.
You like to sugar coat your vision of equality but that's not the vision of equality that's on the agenda.
Equal pay, equal rights, and anything else pertaining to systematic equality under social constructs have nothing to do with gender identities/roles and are fights that need to be, will be and are fought separately from "I want to use the girl's bathroom to piss with my penis."
If you can't differentiate the two then that's on you.
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But they do, trans people don't have protections from job discrimination, voilence against trans poc is insanely high. And we are constantly denied and gatekept from treatment.
That's the shit we're fighting for.
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L O L
Equality doesn't mean that trans people get special privileges to act unprofessional in the workplace. A job is meant to be where you work, not where you advertise or debate your sexuality.
Equality doesn't mean that trans people get access to free hormonal treatment. If you want to admit that gender dysmorphia and the like are all mental disorders then (and only then) it's possible for it to be a treatable affliction under MediCare/MedicAid.
Violence against trans people is not insanely high. It's actually INCREDIBLY LOW.
According to the NYTimes https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/us/transgender-women-killed.html
25 transgender people in the United States so far in 2017, compared with 23 last year and 21 in 2015.
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A job is meant to be where you work, not where you advertise or debate your sexuality.
What do you think trans people do in a workplace? People get fired or not hired just for being trans, not for being unprofessional
Equality doesn't mean that trans people get access to free hormonal treatment.
Free would be nice, but the fight for socialized medicine is unrelated. The price ain't the problem, it's that many won't give hormones or will only do after "real life experince"
You're so fucking idiotic. The article " Violence Against Transgender People Is on the Rise" is proof these low violence agaisnt trans people?
Violence agaisnt trans poc is diproportionally high, the fact that not all voilence is homicide doesn't disprove that.
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If you're not advertising your sexuality, you won't be hired/fired based on it. Everyone knows what that means. If you want/need a job that bad enough you know how you should act.
That's not true at all, likely because you're still a child and haven't paid for healthcare costs yet. When you grow up you might figure it out that you get what you pay for. That being said I think everyone should get every medical aid to any possible ailment no matter the cost and no matter who are -- if the technology exists and you need it you should be provided it. Also funny that you gracefully stepped over the mental issue part.
Yes, the article is titled that and that's the ironic part. The fact you just look at the headline without reading the article and comparing the stats with relevant data just makes me weep for the youth.
The world is a dark and scary place, and it will never be perfect. There will always be a little harder here, a little easier there, a little nastier but pays more over here, and a happy place with low pay right there. Creating more problems will never solve the ones that already exist.
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Yeah no, I shouldn't have to pretend to be a dude to be hired. And me not being one isn't advertising my sexuality.
I pay for my healthcare. Mental healthcare in America is complete bs, I've been denied medical treatment I need for very long, and had to threaten leaving my provider to get the medicine, but I still can't get proper trearment.
Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. You happy now? I didn't dodge it, I ignored it 'cause was irrelevant.
I read the article. Ive read other articles. Trans people of colour experince a disproportionate amount of violence, and the amount that not just experince hate violence, but who are killed by it is also rising.
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Do you realize that clothes have nothing to do with gender?
That makeup has nothing to do with gender?
Hairstyles have nothing to do with gender?
[insert object here] has nothing to do with gender?
All of the imagery associated with gender is a part of a cultural construct.
Falling victim to the construct is the problem.
i.e. Biological male wearing a dress shouldn't be classified as "dressing like a woman". To classify wearing a dress/skirt/etc as dressing like a woman creates the problem.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
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Yeah I do? What does that have to with anything? I still dress like a boy. But I'm a woman named Jennifer, and I shouldnt loose my job or not get one 'cause thats how I see myself.
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According to this study from the American Journal of Public Health, while the murder rate for transgender people in general is lower than the murder rate for the general population, the murder rates for young black trans women and young Latina trans women are higher than for young black cis women and young Latina cis women. Unfortunately, the whole article is behind a paywall, but the abstract is clear.
The stuff about different labels being unequal doesn't make much sense. Names are labels too, in an even more literal sense than gender, and most people agree that we should treat people with different names equally. Why shouldn't it be the same with gender? I wouldn't treat an Andrew better than a Kevin or a Gunther just because of their name, so why would I treat a man better than a woman or a non-binary person just because of their gender?
And even if it's not possible to treat people with different labels equally...well, what harm is there in trying? It might not be possible to learn everything there is to know in the world, but that doesn't mean there's no value in studying science or history or anything else. We can all benefit from the discoveries and knowledge we uncover. Likewise, when we treat people with respect, everyone benefits.
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No doubt those stats are correct, and don't disprove what I said. In your own words,
the murder rate for transgender people in general is lower than the murder rate for the general population
which is what was being argued against: that there's an uproar of trans violence -- when it's pretty much at the "normal" rate just that it's being talked about more. Just like shark attacks during the summer or during Discovery's Shark Week -- fatal shark attacks stay the same, about 10-15 people every decade which is only ever 1-3 a year. "Blowing things out of proportion" however just the reasoning.
Names are equal in that they may be differently spelled or pronounced but all come from the imagination of our elders and holding your name in respect is a form of paying respects to the creativity of your parents. Nothing less nothing more, first, last and middle.
If something is on fire, is it not burning? Afterwards is it not burnt?
There is no harm in the practices being preached, but there is a problem with legislating monolithic terms that shouldn't be solidified in society because they'll only make more problems. I don't think officially saying there are this many genders is a good thing especially for people who already can't figure out who they are. Because there are no "genders" there is just "you". I was going to give examples but I feel it will just confuse you and anyone reading more. "You" can be anything but that anything doesn't have to be an idea created by an outdated cultural system, it could be something that can't be explained by words -- or I guess you can just call yourself those terms everyone love that relate to imagery and ideas created by old white men that were trying to control people. "Be a man!" "That's no place for a lady!" To be chivalrous is to be sexist.
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It seems like you missed this part:
However, the homicide rates of young transfeminine Black and Latina residents were almost certainly higher than were those of cisfeminine comparators[.]
Additionally, murder is not the only way in which transgender people are hurt. It's estimated that up to 66% of transgender people have been sexually assaulted in their lives, while 50% have been physically assaulted by an intimate partner after coming out. These numbers are far, far higher than the general population (25% for women, 1.4% for men for rape; 33% for women and 25% for men for domestic assault). Focusing on murder to the exclusion of everything else heavily downplays the risks trans people experience just by trying to live as their true selves rather than trying to force themselves under a label that doesn't fit them.
I'll be totally honest with you here: literally nothing about your last three paragraphs makes any sense to me. You seem to be arguing that gender is a social construct (true) and therefore harmful to people (debatable; I say false).
The way I think about it is that a person's gender, or lack thereof, is a part of their identity that has no affect on me or my own identity. If someone uses gender as an excuse to treat people badly, then that's the fault of the person being disrespectful, not of the person with the "offending" gender identity or of the abstract concept of gender itself. If I don't understand someone else's gender identity, that's okay. I can still respect that it means a lot to them, and hey, I might learn something! Gender is such a vague, indescribable thing that we might as well just let people run wild, so to speak--no harm, no foul, right? And people are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others. In my view, saying that sexism and transphobia are caused by the existence of gender lets the actual perpetrators off the hook; it switches the blame from the bigot to the victim.
If someone breaks into my house and steals my TV, is it society's fault for making it desirable to own a TV? That's how your logic comes across to me.
I'm glad we agree about chivalry being sexist, though. :) Being kind and respectful to people knows no gender.
PS:
Names are equal in that they may be differently spelled or pronounced but all come from the imagination of our elders and holding your name in respect is a form of paying respects to the creativity of your parents. Nothing less nothing more, first, last and middle.
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There is no such thing as gender identities. There are two biological genders, and then there is mental illness. That doesn't mean it's ok to attack people for being different, nor does it mean that different people get special privileges.
Yes, gender in a modern sense is a social construct and it's modern use is harmful because it's being used to identify "how you feel" versus "what you are". Gender use to just mean biological sex but now it means sexual identity. A person with said affliction can lie to themself and everyone but that doesn't change the science. To feel like you don't belong in your body, regardless of the reason, is mental illness.
If someone breaks into my house and steals my TV, is it society's fault for making it desirable to own a TV? That's how your logic comes across to me.
I don't know how you got that. My logic is simple:
If x is red
and y is blue
then red is not blued
therefore x is not y.
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If
Things that are different, cannot be equal. Creating MORE fake genders in attempt to satiate the mental illness of a few doesn't help anyone, it just confuses them more and creates more problems for everyone (a much larger group of people, including those with mental illness) down the road.
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He never advocated for gender inequality. He simply made fun of the claim that there are more than two genders.
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I wasn't making fun of anything. Everything is math.
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He's saying that peeps that don't identitfy as male or female can't be treated equally which makes no sense.
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Wow, thanks for 100% confirming you have no idea what my post says/means.
Let me explain it as if I'm explaining it to a child.
LABELS CREATE DIFFERENCE
DIFFERENCE MEANS UNEQUAL
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Stop spending your life worrying about labels.
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Start spending your life doing something productive.
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I'm not worried about labels, you're the one yelling about 'em.
And again, we are all different, that doesn't mean we can't be treated as equals and not exclude people based on their race, sexuality, sex, gender, ect and give them the respect and rights you do everyother human, 'cause that's ehat the fuck people mean by equality.
Men and women can be treated as equals, and so can someone who says they're genderqueer, or agender or nb.
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Seems you mistake my attempt at trying to elucidate the mind of what appears to be a small child as "yelling". Simply because I use capital letters? Maybe next time I'll just bold them when I'm trying to explain simple concepts to an even simpler mind.
You still don't understand my point, and it's likely you never will.
Sadly, one can't fix stupid. Take care!
P.S. If you ever want to reply to the actual topic of my thread go ahead, but I won't be replying to anymore of your posts that just repeat themselves, never actually addressing the point of this thread. And if you can't understand it, or idiotically want to say "You said two sentences , you didn't have an idea or make a point." again go ahead and make yourself look more dumb -- fine by me.
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Wow, you didn't even try to argue your point this time, just call me an idiot for four paragraphs because you ain't got shit to say.
You haven't offered anything new but "labels means we can't be equal" which was ypur original point that is stupid.
Step your shit up, 'cause it's in a piss poor shape rn.
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Acting like this doesn't change anything, except when you keep parroting my earlier posts it does give me a chuckle.
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Did you ever see him do anything else? That's the only way he think he can win arguments and when he loses, he switches to only posting pics.
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Posting images is because you're not worth my words. You're a pisspoor troll. Just add that to the list of things you don't understand. :D
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No, it's because your words have been peer reviewed and proven to be false. So when your weak logic is called out you go in 3yo mode and draw on the walls instead of being able to use words. Then you try to pretend being an adult which is even more funny.
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Yes, that is what people usually do when they realize how foolish they have been.
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''Men and women can be treated as equals.''
There you go then, everyone is treated as equals on the basis of their gender.
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people shall be treated with the respect they merit, for which gender is irrelevant
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Wait, what? We all are different anyway?
But.. but I thought we were all equals and all the same and such?!?
HAS EVERYTHING JUST BEEN A LIE?!
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Have a whitelist spot. (I rarely do GAs these days bc I'm tight on money but hopefully I'll have a job soon and that'll change.)
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Nobody thinks there are more than 9000 genders. The genders are two and all the other are sexual orientations and how people want to be defined. Being salty doesnt help.
If you want to be or think you are different, you cannot be equal.
not even gonna comment this one
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I'm sorry, but according to PC SJWs everywhere you're wrong.
Just look at wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e., the state of being male, female, or an intersex variation), sex-based social structures (i.e., gender roles), or gender identity.[1][2][3] People who do not identify as having a male or female gender are often grouped under the umbrella terms non-binary or genderqueer.
Do you see the word "gender" in there or are you blind as much as you're technically and colloquially incorrect?
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender
Gender refers to a person's experience of their identity relative to the categories of masculinity and femininity. Every person's gender is a complex and unique experience, and it can be difficult to express this gender to others.
Same here too.
Edit add: Here have some links and quotes.
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Some don't think that there's only male and female, that doesn't equal 9000.
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It's simple fucking arithmatic.
I'm not gonna argue whether ot not there are other genders, but the people who do have
Male, female, genderqueer, agender, nonbinary, bigender, two spirit. Thats not 9000
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Thanks for parroting the terminology I use into your latter posts -- it's incredibly amusing from a non-rustled perspective; painfully obvious to any critical reader the magnitudes of vapidity involved on your end. It also shows my words are affecting you though, so there's that.
It's like you keep shooting yourself in the foot over and over. Eventually it's going to be hard to walk!
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You are still the only one here that is painfully obvious to everyone except yourself. Also the only one shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. But go on believing everyone else is wrong, only you are right, it's amusing to watch and point out laughing.
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So easy to control once again, how mad does that make you?
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I was thinking this topic was just a spam.
But looks like you really believe that there are more than 9000 genders eyeroll
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First of all don't be offensive and don't just google and post the first thing you can find.
Gender can be either biological or social, I spoke about the biological part and said that the genders are 2 (of course there are genetic anomalies aka Kleinefelter and stuff).
I believe that gender identity best describes what you call as 9000 genders.
Here are some actual links you can get information from, not wikipedia or freaking google images
https://www.britannica.com/topic/gender-equality
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Discrimination/Pages/LGBT.aspx
http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Discrimination/LGBT/A_HRC_29_23_One_pager_en.pdf
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Sorry if I offended, unintended. Just blunt, honest, real.
Thanks for wasting your time.
You can link me as many things you want -- doesn't change reality! :D
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It won't change your ''reality'' you are right. I hope you stop wasting your time offending people. Have a nice day.
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My reality is maths.
Maths is only reality.
Maths is my reality.
If you're anti-maths, you might as well not be real. (Not just subjectively, but literally worth nil.)
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The [biological sexes] are two and all the other are [..] how people want to be defined.
Sex is biological, gender is characteristic. When the distinction is properly followed, the confusion you're indicating isn't an issue.
Likewise, there are distinct terms for each of the elements you're mentioning (and for some that you aren't). The attached image [Source] is incomplete (namely, note the absence of asexuality under sexual orientation and genderfluid under gender expression), but it's a good starting guideline for understanding the different terms used for the classifications relevant to this topic.
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I am okay with however people want to be defined, I can't stand discrimination for any of the so-called ''labels''
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Technically, gender identity is also biological. It is determined before or shortly after birth and cannot be changed.
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That is true, and studies have evidenced that both brain structure differences and atypical hormonal factors offer the grounds for that biological distinction. However, that's still a neurological component, evidenced through personality expression rather than through explicit physical traits. Likewise, from a genetics perspective, it's standard that anything with a Y chromosome is considered male, and anything without, female. As such, anatomical sex would likely be a far more accurate term than biological sex, as the term's usage actually refers to what genetic components are physical discernible- but it is what it is.
In short, yes, you're correct: the term as-is is misleading. Likewise, I should have said "physical" rather than biological- but in my defense, if I say "sex is physical" on these forums, who knows what kind of response I'll get. :P
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Holy shit, post it in the appropriate thread. Fucking hell.
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Good doctor of journalism, THE APPROPRIATE THREAD IS NOW!
Press F to post a new thread.
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The worst part is some people completely miss the point of this thread because all they want to do is harp on about equality not realizing they are causing inequality. Just like how feminazis destroy the meaning behind the feminist movement with their anti-masculine agenda which in turn is technically anti-feminist -- similar to how radical Islam is used as a platform for trafficking opium [and much more non-Islam related things].
Take an idea someone likes, then use that idea to get them all into your cage and blend your ideas in with that idea until they become indiscernible from each other.
You won't find me calling myself a man, or a woman, or genderqueer, or an attack helicopter or a feminist, or a Christian/Jew/Muslim/Amish/Follower of Apollo.
The only label I'd ever use is maybe:
human.
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yet you have a developer label :/ doesnt that bother you?
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If I could have the same account without the label, I wouldn't mind it not showing.
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Ah, next we will no doubt hear how he is so much superior because he made "games", that only have assets on the Steam market and aren't making any money from the store. Then he will think that proves me wrong somehow. And fun continues.
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Oh look a confused peasant! Your trashpile is over yonder! points off-site
It's not my problem, not my fault, nor do I care that you don't know how Steamworks works.
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LOL, you're still the confused one here. Did you really imagine your "supersecret classified data" about cards and other crap impressed anyone? I called you an asset flipper and you said only assets your games have are above crap. No other SteamWorks dev I've traded with has called them assets you know? Because you asset flippers are the only ones that care so deeply about the 1 cents, not devs who make actual games.
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Riiight, keep telling yourself that until you believe it.
I'll keep creating commissioned assets. And have those assets used in games. And have those game assets sold on Steam market.
Here have a few coins for the peasants.
Eternal Maze BC_NTR-JDJB5-WAER4
FrightShow Fighter 8XRZL-36X_QM-JZN62
FrightShow Fighter - Soundtrack AQ9_ZG-D3I68-VD9DA
Glass Masquerade 76Q_TT-R4IJC-053PPCiao!
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You're so cute when you're still trying to impress anyone. Just keep telling yourself that one day you will grow up to be a real game dev and maybe it will happen. :)
You should keep your keys for trading if your 1 cents ever run out, you seem to need them much more.
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Aww, you went straight to 4chan mode without first telling me that I repeat every word back to you and you detected autism in the words.
I wish I was young again so I saw some point in that but I'll leave this to you kids, one day you will learn to win arguments with words as well.
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Sometimes people like yourself don't understand all the words being used, so I was just trying to be sensitive to your mental capacities.
And what would you know about winning arguments? You've never won one. ;)
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I win by default against kids like you that can only post funny pictures.
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I am happy I am not the only one who cringes to people communicating through memes.
You can't expect to be taken serious if you post shit like this: https://i.imgur.com/uDzkpMM.png
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Except, that I'm not "only post[ing] funny pictures" am I m8?
Wrong again, and again, and again -- will it ever end!?
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Yes, you also post personal attacks on others. That seems to be the only thing you can use words for. Then your weak logic fails you and you start only posting pictures.
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You won't find me calling myself a man, or a woman, or genderqueer, or an attack helicopter or a feminist, or a Christian/Jew/Muslim/Amish/Follower of Apollo.
The only label I'd ever use is maybe:
>human.
You really are precious. We all have differences that make us who we are. The point of equality is to not disparage others because of those differences, not get rid of them.
We aren't looking for a society where we are all clones, the exact same, we just want a less hateful one.
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Dividing people into different categories is pretty much the same thing, and has nothing to do with "being different" -- that's just a cop out.
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Being Colour blind is bs. Claiming we're all the same is a wall to human connection and understanding.
We all have different experinces because if who were and and pretending like they don't exist ain't helpful. It would be nice if race, sex, sexuality, ect didn't matter, but they do. Pretending they don't just makes understanding your fellow humans harder. You can regonize these differences without treating those differences as making lesser or superior.
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I deal in eventualities. Eventually we'll all be the same "race", "sex", "sexuality" if we survive long enough to reach that epoch.
The issue is if you indoctrinate society with a flawed logic, that you are different while being treated the same, doesn't bode well with the human condition or human physiology. It's evident just by looking at the culture of sexuality in USA today. If you want to accept different labels then intrinsically, whether we like it or not, there will be different attributes that go with each label -- these can be pros, con, or neutral but they will still add up for someone to use as judgement within their psyche. It has to be one or the other for peace; both brings conflict.
There are many countries that do not have this issue.
I think the USA will need to stop being racist before it can stop being sexist. Just like non-whites were allowed to vote 60 years before women were allowed to.
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Eventually we'll all be the same "race", "sex", "sexuality" if we survive long enough to reach that epoch
No. Genitalia and reproductive capabilities will always differentiate us,and well also still probabaly have preferences. I think in the future we just won't care.
Equality does not mean treat the same, it means treat with the same respect , don't deny opportunities and rights.
Pretending like both of our lives have been the same and we are the same isn't cool. Yes, we are all humans, but we are still individuals.
And what countries don't have these issues?
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Humans already reproduce without sexual intercourse, further increase in the practice would minimize certain traits within natural selection. It's not impossible to see a future, possibly brought on by disease or other medical condition, that has humans using technology to do all of the hardwork -- this could bring about a singular race (300 million years ago the Y-chromosome had about 1,400 genes and now it's only got 45, and it's debated whether it will shrink more, some arguing against comparing it to the W-chromosome of chickens that have had a similar shrinkage since the birth of avians). This goes along with eventually we'll all be the same skin tone and have similar features, especially so as we move into more a compartmentalized society.
Denmark, Argentina, Malta, Norway, India, Canada, Spain, Sweden,...
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a sad photograph of reality. by looking at it now the "single race" will be achieved more through demographyc shift than with miscegenation.
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Eventually we'll all be the same "race", "sex", "sexuality" if the west survive long enough to reach that epoch.
dont know what you mean precisely with sex and sexuality but fixed
There are many countries that do not have this issue.
well yes... those countries that hold dear to their ethnoracial homogeneity and do not bend over globalization and gay agenda (so nothing that concerns the west).
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So you want ever so called "Gender" to have their own special privileges to make the "Equal"? That's not equality. Equality is treating everyone THE SAME. IT IS THE DICTIONARY F@%#ING DEFINITION! I don't give a flying f@%# what gender you "Identify" as, as long as you don't try to affect me with it. The thing is, y'all ARE trying to affect me with it - you're trying to ban stuff in Video games, make everything more "Gender friendly" (Whatever the F@%# that's supposed to mean), and generally carve out special privileges for yourself - Privileges not afforded to "Normal" males like me. Furthermore, your arguments ("Your" being third wave feminism and most of the "Equality" movements) are becoming entirely illogical and/or fake. There are very few recorded incidences of actual discrimination against anyone in the LGBTQ yada yada community - in fact, there is actually MORE cases of qualified people being turned down because they were not LGBTQ. Do you know what that is? It's DISCRIMINATION! Do you know why they were turned down? They were turned down because if businesses DON'T hire LGBTQ yada yada people, they are attacked by you and your illogical fellows for being "Racist", or "Sexist", or whatever the new "Really bad word, that has a bad meaning and can be taken out of context to mean something that we want it to so we get privileges" is. And because people only hear the loudest screamers, (Like yourselves), they believe it. Sooner or later, or perhaps already, tht is going to affect the quality of American business. Hell, that mindset HAS already affected the US military - they have QUOTAS, yes, QUOTAS, of female and/or LGBTQ personnel they have to promote. Thus, they don't promote on merit, but on the GENDER of that soldier. Again, THAT is discrimination. Denying you special privileges because you're special and your gender or feelings are "Special" and "Precious" and "Important", or whatever the new word is today, is NOT.
Also, as an important exception, ACTUAL diseases, problem (Either physical OR mental) anre not included in this. Those people need treatment, and they should get it.
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Wtf are you on?
I don't want genders to have thier iwn special privileges, just to be treated as any other human.
I'm not trying to ban vidya. I dont know what gender friendly means either, dude. I'm not trying to gain special privileges. I'm not a third wave feminist.
And you're fucking delusional. There are no federal protections for lgbt job discrimination.
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There SHOULDN'T BE. The fact that there is IS DISCRIMINATION. Those laws need to apply to everyone regardless of gender. Unfortunately, they do not, and anyone not male has extra legal protections at work. Feel free to read up on it, but I have to go do something productive.
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I'm not gonna pretend like discrimination against males doens't exist, but employment discrimination against men is incredibly rare except in entertainment biz.
Discrimination based on sexuality or gender identity is much more common
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P.s. I'm not on anything. I've never taken drugs (Except medical ones for a couple of Bacterial infections) in my entire life. And I don't plan on starting, though these threads are starting to make me lose hope for humanity, with the amount of stupidity on display
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Okay. Well you look a crazy person with that word salad with so much random capitalization.
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Don't we have a term for that already?
OH yeah, the term is species. How could I forget it?
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Sorry, I could probably more appropriately use the term Earthling since that's a human from Earth and humans on other constructs might be different.
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According to Wikipedia(a source you seem to enjoy) the definition of earthling can be extended to non-human creatures.
The meaning "creature from planet Earth" in the context of space travel may be extended to non-human species, as in "Russia fetes dog Laika, first earthling in space".
I'm glad you were able to fit in some category.
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Asset flipper who thinks he runs Steam, did that refresh your memory?
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It's honestly sad you're so delusional you can't tell when people are laughing at you. Unless you're trying to be witty, then it's just cringe.
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No, I'm making fun of you since you don't seem to get it. Who you laugh at is irrelevant, you lost all credibility with claims like "it's impossible for Steam to have random glitches", then pretended to know anything at all about how Steam works. Protip: it has more random glitches than alpha games.
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More wah wah wah. You never stop whining, must be a fun person. You realize your opinion doesn't mean anything to me, or anyone else here it'd seem? Looks like your efforts are going well! Keep it up I guess!? :D
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Whining about what and where exactly? Still just making fun of you since you're too stupid to get it. What made you think I care even that much about your opinion? Logic fails so now you're trying to make it some sort of popularity contest?
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You're the one posting in my thread. ROFL
I almost feel sorry for you.
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Yes, did it take you this long to figure it out? It's a free forum, don't make threads if you don't want people posting in them. And feel sorry just for yourself, I have no interest in your feelings.
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Every reply you just go off on tangents and make retarded assumptions that only show how daft your intellect is, it's hilarious how butthurt you are. You're like that bewildered Trump supporter that gets presented with facts and start getting the meat sweats and just starts yelling random non-related non-facts. Like for instance, you post in my thread so you obviously care what I think otherwise you'd move along but you don't understand that's how psychology works and instead think it's attributable to "you making fun of me" which still makes me your primary focus. But if I started pointing out all these obvious things you'd just miss them as usual and keep going wah wah wah.
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How is having fun being butthurt exactly? You love to make wild accusations about this and that, then fail to have anything solid to back them up.
Everything I say is related to making fun of you, you're the Trump here but I'm no supporter, I'm the fake media pointing out all the lies you continue spouting.
Edit: Nope, I post in your thread because I don't want to pollute anyone else's thread with pointing out your lies.
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LOL And you just repeat what I said like in the other thread.
Man you make me laugh but I really fear for the well-being of others around you.
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You're not the target audience for the amusement, just collateral damage. I couldn't care less about you or give a shit about you, so stop pretending anyone does and try to win arguments with logic instead of personal attacks. I already told you last time what ails me and you're a great help to relieve the insomnia, that's the extent of your importance.
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Tell yourself whatever you want, doesn't matter! :D
When I close this thread you don't exist to me anymore.
The fact I'm a part of your life, like I'm in your brain permanently and I dictate how you act, is hilarious.
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I can tell you whatever I want as well since you don't matter either.
You're still overthinking your importance, but at least all this laughing has made me feel bit sleepier so you're not totally useless.
I dare you to close the thread and keep it closed, see how much I care.
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Starwhite, you're wasting your energy on this one. Likely a troll.
Best just to take screengrabs in case they try to bail out, and let the moderators work their magic.
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No I'm not, I'm spending extra energy to get to sleep faster if anything.
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Well, I never said you don't matter. I was saying what you say doesn't matter.
I never said or thought I was important, but you sure seem to think I do. You also like to say:
you don't matter
but then contradict yourself by saying
you're not totally useless
so I'm just gonna keep wondering what's wrong with you.
I won't close this thread because I want you to wake up tomorrow and think about this thread and come back and post more funny things that don't make sense! :D
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A nail doesn't matter that much, you can always get more nails if one breaks. Doesn't mean a nail is useless does it tho? That's how you use actual logic instead of the 1+1=2 that was all you could learn apparently.
"I never said or thought I was important" ah that was the funniest blatant lie you've made thus far :D
You wont close the thread because you're scared you'll lose all the attention you so desperately crave. I on the other hand can promise I will continue proving your weak trol... sorry logic wrong all I can.
I'll leave you a little puzzle to not feel so alone if I fall asleep:
"You parrot everything I say!" + "Things you say don't make sense!" = ?
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YOU WILL HAVE IT THIS WAY, IF NOT THEN IT WILL BE THAT WAY!
SEE I AM SMART I KNOW WHAT YOU WILL DO BECAUSE I SAY YOU WILL DO BOTH!
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I only said you won't close the thread because you're scared. That's why I dared you to close it to show me wrong. You can pick whichever you want, all up to you.
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Except, you did. And now you backpedal when caught. S'all good m8, we know the truth.
I'm not looking for your attention, you're blindly giving me it.
Think about that for a second.
I'm not looking for attention, you're giving me it.
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"Except, you did. And now you backpedal when caught. S'all good m8, we know the truth." I did what exactly? What I just told you I did? No way, how did you figure that out?
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The onus is on the joke-teller to be clear about what they're actually saying (and to make it funny).
If you make an entire thread for a joke about something that is a current hot-issue in a manner that is easily interpreted as demeaning AND masks itself as a discussion thread on the charged subjects, then of course there will be backlash. The "It's just a joke!" / "You're deliberately misinterpreting it to fit your own want to lash out!" / "It's just my opinion!" excuse is as hollow as it ever was. You don't get to pretend everyone just lunged at you while you were being totally innocently hands-off.
So lets not pretend that this was an innocent and well-humored thing. You poked a wasps nest and you're getting exactly what you seem to have been aiming for. The point of this thread, if there was one, was ultimately buried beneath a higher priority need for catharsis and doing the "It's just a hard truth amirite guys?" routine. You lose all pretense of bluntly trying to sweep away the bullshit when your replies constantly show a want to antagonise. It's not even hidden :P
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Sorry, but you definitely don't know how to interpret my reaction and nothing you said was anywhere close to what the situation is.
Most people are stupid.
Seems you're in that club.
The point of this thread was a LOGIC that I posited several times in these posts. The subject could be about anything, I don't care. I don't approve of flawed logic. I approve of maths that work. Anyone with a brain would smile at the logic and go, "yes, that's true but it sucks the world doesn't work like that" and perhaps post something jovial in similar jestful nature.
If you want to cry like all the other crybabies, I don't care. Not that I don't care if you cry, but I don't care entirely; overall I could give a fuck less what anyone says or thinks especially on these discussion boards. Grow up.
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Your arguments are never about logic, they are only about attacking others to make yourself feel as superior as you imagine being. That's the sad thing here if anything.
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Oh so now you know why I do things even when they contradict with why I actually did them?
What are you, a fucking mind-reading magician? xD
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It's quite obvious to anyone who bothers to read your posts. That you imagine it's some kind of superiority is still sad.
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There is the alternate : The most effective kind of troll is one that convincingly portays themselves as believing in their moral superiority.
Considering the subject matter and the deliberate responses even to people who weren't being combative, I'm erring more on the side of someone hungry for negative attention.
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I wouldn't call it most effective, but otherwise quite obvious. He craves any attention at all by trolling everyone here. I crave amusement and relaxation by trolling him. And he thinks he's winning that somehow, so cute.
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Maybe we're both winning? You think I'm trolling, but all I'm doing is posting my thoughts on the internet. You think you're trolling me, but all I see is someone posting non-productive replies to my threads; replies oft constructed of absurd fallacies and illogical conclusions -- not really tugging at my emotional heartstrings.
Tiger Blood
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I'm sure that both of us think we're winning. I already told you what my prize is, what's yours then? All I see is someone really insecure attacking others for no reason and imagining there is some super secret reason for it that only he knows other then the obvious need for attention. You can pretend all you want that it's something else.
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My prize is amusement and laughter. It never ends when I get a sheep replying like you! :D
I think it's extra amusing that you think I'm "insulting" you instead of realizing I'm just using appropriate labeling. I wouldn't want to confuse anyone reading this that you're any form of fox.
It's not an insult when I call you a sheep, it's just an observation.
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So it will never end, is that a promise to not close the thread so we can keep going on and on?
It's extra amusing when pigs like you think anyone cares about their opinion and gets insulted by it.
It's not an insult when I call you a pig, it's just that I like bacon and ribs.
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I don't see anyone else replying to [or reading] your posts m8.
I'm not a pig, I'm a fox.
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Do you see me caring? No? And you're a foe, not fox, for apparent reasons since foxes are smart.
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Every reply you make infers care. If you don't realize that, you're just an idiot.
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So now caring about personal amusement is suddenly caring about others replying to it. Your logic just keep getting weaker and weaker.
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Your personal amusement comes second to the care being given. Care raises above all other motive you philistine.
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Now if only you could figure out what I care about. It's still not you or popularity that you keep suggesting.
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You see, that's the difference. I don't give a fuck what you care about. :D
I'm just replying to a retard that's posting in my thread! xD
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I was just pointing out that your futile attempts to tell me that I care about thing I couldn't care less are obvious lies. You seem to care a lot. And you're still the retard and kid here, sorry but no amount of crying will change those facts.
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You should stop talking to yourself, it's embarrassing and sad that you're so feeble-minded. :(
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I'm not talking to myself either. I'm talking to a feeble-minded retard who thinks logic equals trolling.
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Yes I bet that is part of your daily routine, talk to yourself and lsiten.
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Ok, tell me when you're finished so I wont disturb you during your personal time.
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You're not clever jsyk. Your replies are elementary at best, oft just infantile. I can't count your blacklists, but I know they are rising. :)
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That's the only level you deserve or able to understand. Anything higher just flies over your little head. I can count my blacklists and they aren't rising at all, sorry. You could just stop making up stuff maybe?
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All I read is, "Wah wah wah, wah, wah wah wah, wah wah wahhh."
Not enough tissue in the world to soak up all your tears.
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Stop reading your own thoughts, that's not magic. You're still the only one crying here little kid.
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Awesome, so you'll stop attacking others and start having real conversations? Even dad jokes are less lame than your generic weak trolling.
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Nope, you're not getting it so logic dictates it's not.
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Incorrect use of logic since there is no comparative example. You need to brush up on your maths.
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You're full of shit if that easy logic eluded you.
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Oh so now I'm supposed to be a mind-reading magician and telepathically know you were implying I was full of shit? GOOD SIR!
Really though you can't use implied logic in applied maths. It provides too many variables for exact answer.
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You literally don't understand how logic is used in arithmetic or philosophy. I pity you.
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I understand far more than you little troll, that has been proven by several people already calling your "logic" what it is, just weak trolling.
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Except not. Whatever you have to tell yourself kiddo!
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I don't need to tell myself anything about you, you're telling everyone everything about yourself. I'm merely pointing out that.
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Yes you are cute, trying to weasel out of all the BS you're only about. Try talking like you actually mean anything you say instead of trolling if you ever want anyone to understand you.
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Your tactics never change, you're fucking abysmally pathetic m8.
Now reply with "yes you are pathetic" again so we can laugh at your simpleton ways.
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Why wouild they change when they are so obviously working? You're getting so mad already.
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Yours insults are a meaningless crutch.
Logic dictates that if you mock a charged subject and dress it up as an adult discussion, people will enter it under the assumption of something mature, and be met with something likely to offend or severely aggravate them. You took no steps to clarify that you are not ill-intentioned and you offered nothing worthy of discussion. When your opening post was challenged, your replies have unsubtly been worded in a provocative manner even against people who disagreed without being combative.
Saying the word "logic" doesn't mean your words have merit, just as your ad hominem only adds onto the ongoing evidence of what your true intentions likely are.
Even assuming your intentions aren't so blatantly juvenile, you made a massive misstep and it is your responsibility to clarify your actual position when a conflict is the outcome. When you fail to do so, the resulting argument comes directly from your deliberate omission. But this of course assumes you weren't just looking to provoke people, which is a stretch at this point.
Grow up? Heh. Now is that any way to treat someone who is giving you the negative attention you so badly crave?
Your act is fooling... well I guess I can't say it's fooling nobody, sadly.
Well I'll give you this, it's certainly one way to earn a vacation from the forums.
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It seems you don't know what the word logic means. On par with the club.
A logic is a mathematical formula. Using the word logic has noting to do with granting or dismissing merit to my words. A logic is an equation that cannot have someones opinion upon it, it is in and of itself unbiased. If you still don't understand what a logic is, please ask me and I can explain it again just for you. You mistake my lack of emotion for some type of malevolent act, when it couldn't be anything farther from it. I'd much rather find others that "get the joke" or rather simply in this case understand something as simple as 1+1=2 therefore 2=/=1.
Man you have some serious issues, but I guess we all do. I definitely don't crave negative attention but it seems to follow me around by the actions of other angry people -- like yourself -- whereas I'm laughing and looking for others that are laughing, not yelling and looking for others that are yelling.
Most people, yourself included, don't get to see what's on the other side of the keyhole. But if you're actually on the other side then you'd start to realize the point.
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It seems you didn't read the part about whose responsibility it is to clarify your point.
You opted to use insults, and antagonise those who werent even overtly combative to begin with.
You can't dodge that bullet, son. So just bite down on it and stop the mental acrobatics.
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It's not my responsibility to hold your hand on an internet forum.
There's no bullet to dodge, just misinformed/confused individuals such as yourself.
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Writing "no" is much quicker and less pretentious y'know.
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So you have some serious issues that make you feel like you need to constantly attack others. And then for no reason negative attention follows you around. That must be the most sense you've made thus far.
Since sadly I'm not a telepath and I would assume neither is anyone else here, you actually have to use words to make your point. Otherwise it's meaningless to everyone else other than you.
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Who said I "have some serious issues that make you feel like you need to constantly attack others"? I don't know where you got that from. You are too emotional.
Some people converse on the internet, because they have no life and no family and no friends;
as such their words on the internet mean the world to them: priceless.
Some people converse on the internet, because they see posting words as an art form -- a style of poetry, prose, wordsmithery, or etymological hark;
as such their words on the internet are like the strokes of a brush, the letters the paint: replaceable
Some people play with words all day, some people rarely get their word out;
as such some never stop, and others run away.
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Because you conflated your own assumption with my statement. Improve your writing technique.
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I'm not the one going into other peoples threads and trolling. I shit in my own house.
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Except you are, that's what you have only yourself to thank for me bringing myself amusement by pointing out your weak logic for a long time.
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Except you've never once pointed out any flaws in mine or anyone elses logic. You do however love to throw the word around it'd seem.
You just keep posting word garbage that makes people facepalm and laugh at your expense. Seems like a waste of life to me.
Ta-ta for now!
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I have done nothing else than prove you wrong. That you're just too stupid to figure it out tells more about you than me. You really should go back to the school you obviously dropped if the only logic you know is 1+1=2.
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Yes you are pathetic. Totally unable to have a civilized conversation where you only use actual logic instead of trolling thinly veiled in weak logic.
Try it for once, it's awesome.
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Starwhite: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you! Neener neener neener!"
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Not as amazing as how lame you turned out to be. When does it get through to you that I respond in kind, you spout lame BS and that's what you keep getting. I've tried to suggest civilized conversation many times already but that's not something you want. So I can just keep having fun at your expense even if you're too stupid to get it.
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You don't know what civilized conversation is because all you do is whine and cry. Sorry no one loves you. Must be really hard and you must feel really big and strong when you come online and harass people, mind you with no substance at all, in their own threads. You's a big boy!
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I know fully well what it is unlike you. You're the only one here whining and crying "boohoo, I made a thread on a public forum and people I don't like keep posting in it, boohoo". Unlike you I still don't give a shit about fake love from random unknown internet people. You're still getting this totally wrong on purpose. You're the one feeling big and strong and sooo logical by harassing anyone you consider weaker, I'm the one giving you a taste of your own poison. So if you don't like it, stop spreading it little kid.
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LOL You're so easy it's hilarious.
"NO DUDE I KNOW EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID AND YOU'RE THE DUMMY! EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T BRING IT UP AND I HAVEN'T USED IT PROPERLY AT ALL IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD, I AM THE SMARTEST STARWHITE IN DA WORLD!"
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I'm easy to get to do things I enjoy doing? Stop the press! Now if you had any kind of control over me like you repeatedly have lied you do, you would make me do something I don't like. For example stop having fun at your expense.
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You don't even know what control is. This is hilarious. I could scribble on a note and leave it in a shit-filled toilet bowl and you'd dive in to grab it just to write your reply that will get flushed down the drain unread. Keep replying to me little puppet.
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Neither do you. What next, you'll make me like ice cream? I've already told you several times I'll keep doing this as long as it takes because I enjoy this, so taking credit for that is another one of your obvious lies.
Toilet notes do seem to be on your level of communication tho.
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Every reply you make is an elongated form of "NO U".
Nothing you have said is even mildly amusing.
Will you ever come up with something new or will you continue to enjoy being boring?
Please tell me in another one of your formulaic replies. Go on, keep replying to me boy! You'll be trained soon enough, ready for the big show!
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What else do you expect when you keep attacking others with things that are clearly wrong with you, not the victims?
You keep on whining that this is not amusing to you when I've told you several times the only amusement I care about is mine.
When will you come up with something new yourself? I still respond in kind, you spout boring lies and I keep giving them back to you. Still all up to you, I don't have any problems with continuing the current situation for ever.
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Yeah already told you that image spam belongs at 4chan, be a good kid and go back there to practice your trolling.
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And you call me easy to control, that's the biggest joke here. I can keep you doing this for as long as I want and your only response can ever be spamming weak memes proving you're so far from any logic that it's measured in parsecs. But go on, next "no u" with meme pic and I can keep making fun of how you're so young that's the only thing you know to do.
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What's the main difference between American and English languages?
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Awww, made you answer my question in a funny way, so easy to control.
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For legal terms there are two genders, man and woman. Anything more than that I don't care.
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My problem with all the random social genders popping up is that once they become a normal thing (just like the Trump/GOP childish behaviour became the new normal in politics) other lines will start to fade.
Right now you can say "I'm offended by the label of "male" you attach to me, it is not how I identify, please call me a demi-boy", and some places are removing gender or giving more options for gender than before.
The next step would be the famous Fry&Laurie sketch where the pronunciation of your name is offending you and it too should be removed or a recording of you pronouncing it should be attached to your passport. Of course if you are offended by the same pronunciation every day you could opt for the version where you can change it daily, hourly or randomize it totally.
Now I don't know about you lot, but I never like my passport photo, I tend to look like an Irish bank robber in those. Photos of me make me very insecure in general, I tend to dodge out of the way when I see a camera pointed at me.
So I would rather not have a photo used to identify me, they never show me how I feel I look.
What we will end up with is a mostly blank passport with no name, no photo, no gender, just a passport number and birth date, place and place of issue...until those things of course become offensive too.
Now I would like for this comment to be seen as semi-sarcasm, so please read it as such.
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What we will end up with is a mostly blank passport with no name, no photo, no gender, just a passport number and birth date, place and place of issue...until those things of course become offensive too.
That is actually a goddamn brilliant idea... :)
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At least you see part of the point I'm trying to make. It's not an issue of being treated equal as all human beings should be, it's about drawing more lines in the sand that make it harder for everyone to sunbathe.
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Image makes me think of Animal Collective.
Here is an [in]appropriately titled song by them.
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Oh boy, this should be fun. "foe" dropping evil truth bombs left and right...
I need to stock up on my popcorn.. xD
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I'm not entirely sure what the fuck is going on around here anymore.
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Trying to help people level up by rushing them through Act I - V.
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The part that bugs me the most is people are screaming at me learn my pronouns blah blah blah I just want to be accepted and be me blah blah blah so why are you forcing the cis label on non trans people? I just want to be the same as everyone else. ok then fuck you cis bastard so your mad at me for being happy with my body? fuck off I have to pussyfoot round you learning pronouns but have people started crying because they get labelled cis something made up by trans lgbtqxjyhi555 people. TL:DR be whoever the fuck you want but don't expect the entire would to like what you do FUCK THEM and just be you, you fucking idiots.
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Really.
Be honest now. How many people have you met that screamed at you to learn their pronouns? Genuinely curious how many people you met that became instantly hostile if you didn't guess their pronouns on a first try. And no, random conflicts in comment gutters with anonymous users conveniently regurgitating meme lines don't count.
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No joke, the answer's 3. I've known 4 transgendered people overall. The weird part is that those 3 were insanely hostile when I screwed up by accident. That one guy? Amazingly fun and nice. We joke around about her being a better apache helicopter than a woman while she usually says that I don't even have to try to not be a man.
I tend to just see that those that become so aggressive for no reason probably don't want the transition for their well-being, but instead for the attention.
I might be wrong though. Just my two cents.
EDIT (already, I know): Actually one of those three wasn't immediately insanely hostile, but instead very passive-aggressive. My bad.
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Well, that sucks. My experience is that they've been pretty chill about it, and that's even after I accidentally misgendered them several times. I wonder about hormone replacement therapies playing on emotional swings, or individuals just being intense due to things they might have personally faced. Its not unusual to hear about (cis) men and women having temper tantrums about the dumbest of things too, and it usually relates to repeating stresses or specific subjects they're super sensitive about.
Plus, trans people run the whole range of personalities. There are always going to be childish or shitty people in every demographic regardless. The difference is that I don't think any lucid adult should really consider a whole group a complete write-off for having encountered a handful of hair-trigger timebombs, y'know?
Usually in the case of people talking about trans people like this, they're just repeating memes about "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER!?". Tribalism is the enemy of truth after all.
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Oh yeah, I personally don't know about this subject too much. Only what that friend told me. She told me that transgender people are, well, transitioning. Meaning that it's not supposed to be a permanent state. She doesn't approve the ones that stay there for a long time and just say they're trans without doing much. Personally I'd say, if that really is the case, then I agree with her.
But let people do what they want, I'd say. As long as it doesn't affect me negatively, I don't really give a damn.
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Yeah. That's usually the point that I think all decent people can agree on : We all just want civility and the ability to live our lives without having random strangers butting in or creating fights where there don't need to be any.
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Neutral pronouns are rather lovely for their ability to avoid issues of that sort. Also helps you be inclusive to androgynes..
Personally, I've never seen hostility over pronouns unless you continue to misuse pronouns after being informed of preference (something which people do all too often)- and at that point, it is understandable for someone to become aggravated.
That said, by the example zeruel has given, those zeruel interacts with appear to be far more hostile than one would hope for their circumstances. Unfortunately, such characteristics aren't uncommon- someone being a minority themself doesn't automatically make them a decent individual. (Else, we'd never have misconduct from anyone other than white males, eh?)
For example, that hatred Transexuals have for Non-Transitioning Transgenders (as indicated by zeruel) is surprisingly common among a subset of Transexuals. The belief that, as someone with gender dysphoria, you are absolutely required to chop up your body into as close a facsimile of the opposing sex as possible, and conform to the social expectations of form for that sex, is a driving one (especially within certain Transexual social networks)- and as such, anyone who challenges the rightness of that mentality becomes a threat to the identity of those who transition solely due to that social expectation and the pressure surrounding it.
(Which isn't to say that transitioning is a bad thing but, rather, that it's something which should be carefully thought through by way of careful introspection, without letting society influence the decision. "Fitting in" can be a relief enough on its own to make it worthwhile for many, while others can appreciate exactly what it is that transitioning offers. However, for others, transitioning to fit in or by hope that it'll let you have everything you weren't born to, and then realizing the imperfections of such after the fact, can lead to the individual becoming even more devastated by their circumstances than they were before.
[In large part this is due to not realizing that remaining Non-Transitioning Transgender is a perfectly acceptable option, but it can also be based in factors such as not realizing that genders such as androgyne or genderfluid exist- and unfortunately, when humans don't have an existing framework to work with, they have tendency to dive deep into the closest approximation that they can find, in hope that commitment will resolve the parts of the label which don't seem to fit.] Contrary to the expectations of many facing such circumstances, one must first learn to both understand and accept themselves before making changes to oneself, rather than the opposite- hard as such may be.)
Rather similar, homosexuals and bisexuals, due to their identifying so strongly with their sexuality, have a bad trend of taking offense with asexuality (as it seems to mock the entire basis for their own personal fights), and subjugating asexuals to the same mistreatment they themselves have suffered. Likewise, there's still the usual heterosexual harassment to deal with as well. Asexuals may not get the strong generalized societal pushback that sexual queer genders get, but targeted harassment can be even more intimidating than that to homosexuals in many regions, due to weaker comparative support networks in those areas (and with homosexuality-oriented groups, as noted, potentially presenting negativity to the asexual themselves).
In short, relying on labels or societal expectations (within any context) is quick way to screw up your perspectives.
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Usually in the case of people talking about trans people like this, they're just repeating memes about "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER!?"
Also, Vegans are outside your window, judging you.
Because clearly, once you stop eating honey, eggs, and dairy, you automatically lose all sense of prioritization.
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Before that actually... It's when they stop eating meat. As it's clearly the top priority ;D
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No, actually, I need to step in and clear something up.
"For example, that hatred Transsexuals have for Non-Transitioning Transgenders (as indicated by zeruel) is surprisingly common among a subset of Transsexuals. The belief that, as someone with gender dysphoria, you are absolutely required to chop up your body into as close a facsimile of the opposing sex as possible, and conform to the social expectations of form for that sex, is a driving one (especially within certain Transsexual social networks)- and as such, anyone who challenges the rightness of that mentality becomes a threat to the identity of those who transition solely due to that social expectation and the pressure surrounding it." - You've gone too far with this idea. The reason why she doesn't like non-transitioning transgenders is because if they aren't transitioning then they aren't trans. There already are these genders that basically mean "I'm a male, but I think of myself as a female" and so on. Figure yourself out and then do whatever you want to do. Don't become a transgender and then decide, "nah, I don't want to become a woman... though, I mean, maybe? Ah, whatever, I'll just stay trans".
There's no aggression or hate there. The issue is that these people might not even have a problem to begin with. People might have the need to transition and in a few years they might lose that need. Or they might see a psychiatrist and figure out that this isn't the cause, but instead a symptom of something else. If you push yourself into it, then there's a chance that you might never come back out of it and you might regret it forever. It's then tied to your personality. This current culture (feminism and to some extent just the left side of the American politics) tends to assign labels to people. Straight, white, male, female, black, trans, fat, thin and so on.
Let people figure themselves out before they start their transitioning. It's harder to jump off of a moving train than a stopped train. Figure out your destination first.
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No, actually, I need to step in and clear something up.
You've gone too far with this idea. The reason why she doesn't like non-transitioning transgenders is because if they aren't transitioning then they aren't trans. There already are these genders that basically mean "I'm a male, but I think of myself as a female" and so on. Figure yourself out and then do whatever you want to do. Don't become a transgender and then decide, "nah, I don't want to become a woman... though, I mean, maybe? Ah, whatever, I'll just stay trans".
What I don't understand about you is, do you simply enjoy being hostile and wrong?
You never take the time to do a quick fact check, and you didn't even read my previous post thoroughly, as it clearly noted the relevant hatespeech paradigm, explained why it occurred, and explained why it wasn't true. Even if you failed to read the more in-depth hidden portion, a part of any reasonably intelligent person's brain would have clicked to the logical conflict presented just by the initial statement, and would have had some degree of uncertainty over the matter (leading them to look up the information, even if they inexplicably hadn't already chosen to do so in the past).
Instead, you double-down on your factually incorrect, hateful misinformation- same as I see you always doing- even when it's clear the person you're directing such misinformation toward clearly knows a hell of a lot more about the topic than you. Of course, a key difference from your earlier misinteractions is that, this time, you're directly throwing out targeted hatespeech (and something you were informed was such, so you can't plead ignorance of the fact), and you're doing so at me.
That's not something I'm willing to accept. You owe me a profuse apology, and then you need to seriously leave me alone- at least until you start thinking for yourself and obtain a proper education. (Nope, you still don't have that, sorry. Avoid that knee-jerk desire to harass with further comments outside of a very straightforward apology, thank you.)
It's blatantly evident you live in an environment with hateful sentiments and weak education. The sooner you realize the individuals you're interacting with are misinformed and spreading that forward to you, the sooner you can start presenting yourself respectfully and intelligently. You have access to the internet, which is an amazing wellspring of information. Just learn how to tell the fake stuff apart [pro-tip: If it actively appeals to your emotions in any way, rather than being presented with journalistic neutrality, it's likely fake] and do basic research. We live in a world with wikipedia for pie's sake. Yeah, it's a bit awkward on some minor elements due to its structure, but it's nevertheless almost always a reliable resource for basic information. If you just commit to checking wikipedia each time you think of a concept you're not personally, intimately familiar with, your reliability as a human being would skyrocket from where it currently stands.
But zereul? Transexuals have an excuse for making that kind of exclusionary hatespeech. The ones doing such are typically very young, scared, overwhelmed, undereducated, and like you literally just presented with your own conduct they're needlessly and nonsensically and hatefully pressured into things, and the fear that they've been misled themselves will cause them to commit that more fiercly to the path they've chosen.
You don't seem to have any excuse to propagate that sort of bullshit, which brings you into the creepy-scummy category of people. Stop preying on the weak, even if you're only doing so out of pure ignorance. It's inexcusable, regardless of what is compelling you to do it.
Now, to make the matter nice and clear before we finish up:
Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex
Transsexuals have had, or desire to have, medical assistance to transition from one sex to another.
Transsexuals are Transgenders, but Transgenders are not Transsexuals. Stop confusing the two.
Also, stop harassing minorities (regardless of if other members of that minority tell you to do so)- and, most definitely, stop thinking that putting down a group is you "stepping in" on behalf of anyone other than yourself. All you're engaging in is self-satisfaction and negativity. And lastly, stop bringing your negativity over to me and trying to drag me into it.
Seriously.
The issue is that these people might not even have a problem to begin with.
Word.
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What? I just wanted to clear up what I've said and why I said it. You took my examples out of context to support your arguments. That's all I had there. I cleared up what she has said. That's all. Personally this is a complicated topic for me where I genuinely have no clue who is like what and why they're like that because I haven't experienced much personally.
I have had 4 first hand experiences, in the majority of the cases they haven't been pleasant. One's been pleasant and I still talk to her to this day. She has told me these things. I relay them. Do I believe them? Uh, to an extent, I guess? I mean, I never take anyone's word as gospel, but I trust her enough to not bullshit me too much. She doesn't have a lot of hate for people either, so I doubt she'd be angry at them, but who am I to guess. Same as you.
I don't have "transeducation" or shit like that. Neither do you. Even your personal experiences mean jackshit in the long run.
I relayed opinions, not facts. That's what she thinks (or at least what she's told me).
You say this stuff of me being hateful when there's nothing hateful in what I relayed. I went to check just in case and these are the things I said (again, not me saying them, it's me just being a relay. The comment actually shows how I never said that these were my opinions and I was pretty blatant as to where it came from):
Trans means transitioning.
You should transition when you're 100% sure you can and want to.
You shouldn't use the trans label as a way to just get attention as it's a way to lessen the sympathy that their cause gets.
But you know what? Screw it. You obviously have an agenda and you're out for blood. You associate someone else's ideas with mine, you interpret everything at it's worst possible way that one could interpret.
I hope you grow from arguments like this and one day realize that not everyone's out to get you. I wanted to show a different perspective and I wanted to clear things up since I thought you genuinely just misinterpreted it... Disappointing :/
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Okay, you're either bullshitting us or you're intentionally ignorant.
Trans means transitioning.
Trans is short for either transgender or transsexual. The terms don't have completely clear meanings, but let's go with how Sooth defined them above, it's sufficiently accurate.
Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex.
I'll leave gender expression as separate from gender identity aside as I've not found enough science on the topic to speak about it with confidence. In any case someone who adopts a gender expression different from their biological sex while having a gender identity that matches their biological sex would be more accurately defined as crossdressing, not as transgender.
Now, on to having a gender identity that differs from your biological sex. Both of those things are determined before birth, meaning that every transgender person is born transgender. Gender identity is coded in the brain and there is no known way to change it. Biological sex can be changed, but only partially. Since the two can never be fully matched, a transgender person will remain transgender their entire life.
Transsexuals have had, or desire to have, medical assistance to transition from one sex to another.
Note here that transsexuals don't stop being transsexuals after transitioning. Nor are they not transsexual before they've transitioned. The only requirement is that they feel surgery and/or hormonal therapy is needed for their transition.
Also note that transitioning does not need to include medical intervention. It does not even need to include changing your appearance. The only requirement is to make your gender identity known to others. It's common for people to want to modify their body to match their gender identity so they can fit in, but they are no less transgender if they don't.
You say this stuff of me being hateful when there's nothing hateful in what I relayed.
The hateful part of what you're talking about is this:
The reason why she doesn't like non-transitioning transgenders is because if they aren't transitioning then they aren't trans.
In case it's not already clear, trans people are born trans and remain trans their entire lives regardless of whether they ever transition at all. Transitioning means either telling people your gender identity without changing your body and dealing with the consequences of that, or going through the painstaking and uncertain process of modifying your body to try and pass off as the opposite sex. The consequences of the former may include discrimination, bullying and violence, while the latter is not only very time consuming, but may have an unsatisfactory result, and may be very expensive if medical intervention is needed. So it is no surprise that many prefer to only partially transition, revealing their gender identity to those they trust, but presenting themselves as cisgender to the rest of the world, as they deem it the least bad option. To criticize them for it is quite hurtful.
And I won't even get into the shameful way you tried to dismiss transgender people as just being confused after that last quote. I'm surprised you didn't mention SJWs even once in that rant.
You associate someone else's ideas with mine.
That's because you keep defending your friend's views even after being told that those views are hateful. You claim complete ignorance of the topic but you keep making arguments to defend those views.
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I cleared up her views. I don't stand by anything she said. I said what she has said.
I have nothing else to say, seriously. Eh, maybe relaying these ideas is the same as defending them then. If so, then obviously I've made a mistake. Relaying thoughts in my eyes was never the same as supporting them. Otherwise journalism wouldn't exist. I'm not comparing myself to a journalist, I'm comparing the idea of relaying thoughts and ideas of others.
Now this is my opinion: I have no quarrel with anyone with a different gender, a desire to change it or anything in between. I don't care for people's sexuality and I'm not involved with "the fight". I find it to be a topic that doesn't align with my interests, so I don't involve myself in it. I wanted to give an alternate perspective, yet instead I got called a bad guy and I got called hateful. I find that to be willful ignorance and just pure anger. Leave me out of this.
I shouldn't have cleared her points up, I know that now. I should've let Sooth just use me as his pawn for arguments that I never made. I should've let him lie about my friend. Would've been easier. This community is a cesspool. I genuinely dislike this notion of "you say something that I don't agree with, so now you're hateful and evil. Believe my perspective or I'll deem you as an evil person".
It's despicable. You lead your cause nowhere. At least you explained some stuff. But you also had to label me as evil for relaying some info.
I'm an open person. Regardless of what you'll say. I can feel sympathy. But I won't sympathize those that villanize me just for daring to express someone else's opinion.
EDIT: Trans doesn't mean that. Trans is a suffix. Trans as a suffix (for transgender, transatlantic, transform and so on) means "Across, beyond, through, surpass, into another state or place".
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I'd say let it die. And this is coming from a person that was on her side throughout the whole thing and engaged in a lot of discussions.
What happened was terrible in my opinion. It showed that people didn't care for some issues while caring for the others (even though their should care for both). It sucks, but let's move on.
It's a gaming forum. It's one thing to make a non-gaming topic that's more serious. It's another to start parodying those to just stir up hate and controversy.
You're just giving people more reasons to hate her cause.
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I literally don't read the discussion forums. I haven't read the threads with names similar to this one. I merely saw many threads with similar names over and over and decided to make a flavor looking for other people that could figure out the logic in my OP.
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Yes you have... You engaged in that thread. If I'm not mistaken, you actually went to that thread after the main text was removed and got replaced by the shorter text. Just before it was closed.
You are obviously parodying it dude :D
I personally don't care, but at least admit to doing so :D
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Yes, after-the-fact I went and looked. I did not "engage" in the thread. I opened the thread once and skimmed and threw a reply or two out.
That's not engaging. That's skimming. I didn't even read the OP.
I also already said it IS a parody OF THE TITLE.
You guys need to learn to read.
Again, people like to think they know what I'm thinking or what I did when they aren't the one thinking it or doing it.
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Yeah, then just say that you engaged in it. Currently it seems you just don't think that writing 3 comments and having a discussion with a user is "engaging with a topic". Personally, I'd say it is so. It's like not calling people who walk around the protest and only give a few chants, protesters. They protested in that protest. Just because others might've done it more means nothing.
"That's not engaging. That's skimming. I didn't even read the OP." - Skimming is essentially speed reading. You might've done that, but you also engaged in it. Now I see what the problem here is. You are thinking of engage as in "deeply involved or immersed in". That's the case with an activity. You're reading a book that you're extremely immersed in? You're engaged in reading that book. That's an adverb.
I'm talking of engaged as in the verb "engaged". You did engage in that topic. Engaged means "participate or become involved in.". You did that. You can't discuss something and say you didn't engage in it. You did. It's as simple as that. There's not even any leeway. It's like saying "I punched that man, but I didn't engage in combat with him.".
"I also already said it IS a parody OF THE TITLE." - No you didn't. This is the thread text as of 23rd of Jan 2018, 4:35pm GMT +2.
*How can you have gender equality when you think there are over 9000 genders?
Stop labeling yourself and start being yourself.
💖*
The first line is an exaggeration to most likely make a joke. The second line seems to be a reference to the original thread because a lot of people said similar things. The third line is a heart. The fourth line is a picture, which you said you edited in.
Where is the point where you claim this to be a parody? I do hope that you're not so delusional as to think that people will read through the nearly 500 lines of random text to find out whether you parodied something or not.
So let's go back to your original response to me:
"I literally don't read the discussion forums. " - That's a lie. You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't have made this thread.
" I haven't read the threads with names similar to this one." - Well, you just contradicted yourself anyways, but also you can't say "I haven't read threads with similar names while also participating in the thread that you are parodying. Unless you think a parody has to be the same name or something like that. In which case you're mistaken. A parody is "an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.". You imitated the original thread with the title, imitated the replies to that thread with the second line and added the deliberate exaggeration for comic effect as the first line. The third and fourth line are a hybrid of both. You are literally hitting every bullet point on how to make a parody.
"I merely saw many threads with similar names over and over and decided to make a flavor looking for other people that could figure out the logic in my OP." - Jeesh... and you now contradict the previous sentence. "I haven't read threads with similar names" and "I saw many threads with similar names". What a joke.
The worst part here is that I agree with the original post. I would've been okay with what you did because even if I wouldn't do it, I'd respect that you spoke your mind about this topic, even if it's a joke post. Instead you pretty much lie about what you're doing, what you did and then accuse me of not reading through the drivel that this and any other political post has created.
You have balls, I'll give you that. Personally I find what you're currently doing to be pathetic. If you're here to make a statement then do it. Don't start crying foul when someone actually dares to give you proper criticism. And please, for your own sake, don't keep lying about things.
If this wasn't on purpose (which I can't really see happening) then just figure out what you're going to say before you say it.
"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." - Plato.
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You can argue semantics all you want, no one is listening.
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Not really semantics if you just flat out lie and make up stuff.
Also, I think people are listening and reading. They aren't as dumb as you might think. Some people genuinely want to see differing opinions and ideas, even if this one isn't about the topic and your motive behind it.
Again, I agree with the idea, I just don't agree with your methodology.
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That's still the only thing he's able to do sadly, no point in arguing with someone who refuses to use logic.
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I agree. I wouldn't have responded to this, but I just wanted to remind him that not everyone here is a fool.
Happy cake day as well :)
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Nope, I'm talking to a fucking sad parrot called foe.
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The fact you don't realize you're repeating everything I say about you, back at me, and don't realize that you epitomize the childhood saying I posted about "I'm rubber you're glue", is astounding. Either you're literally mentally handicapped or you're just trying to troll. Either way you have serious issues you should get checked out.
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The fact that you keep figuring out that I keep repeating stuff after I've told you 100 times that it's exactly what I'm doing is the really baffling thing here. Why would I care one bit about your childhood sayings, they don't have any meaning for me. You're the one trying to troll people weakly here, I'm doing a great success in trolling you, that much is apparent to anyone.
Also I made you talk again, so easy, so mad.
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It seems you don't even know what the word semantics mean, since you like to argue about the meanings of words it'd seem you don't even know what the words mean being used.
There's been no lying here unless you count your misunderstanding as such.
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Oh, I know what semantics means. Just because you say a word doesn't make it true.
See, I'll give you one example for free. "You are committing genocide in this comment!"
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Good job making a wild exaggerative comparison that doesn't even relate to the subject! Kudos! At least it seems you know how quotation works in your postings, maybe you should reread mine and look for the quotation marks.
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And here you see a wild fallacy running around in its natural habitat: The political forums.
I wasn't comparing the words genocide and semantics. I was comparing the use of these words. In both cases they are out of context and used incorrectly.
So... I did re-read your stuff. Just in case. I found one use of quotation marks. This is the sentence: "I did not "engage" in the thread.".
Okay... so you added emphasis to the word to show that you didn't engage in the thread because you don't think participating equals engaging.
This has nothing to do with anything and it doesn't explain anything. I was genuinely thinking that I missed something because you really emphasized that I missed a key piece of evidence like a detective that only noticed a soup ladle, even though there was a bloody knife next to it with a confession from the killer. I was disappointed.
But a serious question now. Did you mix this conversation up with something else by accident or did you just say that because you wanted a comeback? I find it hard to believe that you'd just make stuff up to sound better.
Anyways, this is leading nowhere. You obviously have your own beliefs and you obviously don't care to even put effort into trying to prove yourself innocent of lying and misleading. I actually looked back at this conversation to build up my argument. You didn't.
It genuinely was a fun way to pass some time. I hope there's no ill will floating around. It's just internet banter to most respect. Even if it got a little heated. Have a nice day and 'til we meet again :D
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Okay, since you're too stupid to understand how English works.
The semantics I was referring to has to do with how you define the word engage and how the word engage is actually used colloquially. If you're a hermit or a weak-minded Grammar Nazi then have fun, but I'd presume you're not since you already pointed out you understand that the term engage infers actual in-depth participation which you also already admitted I didn't do -- you're an idiot really and need to go outside sometime.
I don't have ill will for you either, but I do tell people they are stupid when they act it -- that doesn't affect how I feel about someone emotionally. I didn't mix up anything, nor did I make stuff up, you just wanted to play a game of semantics and then had no other substance to post about so it became personal attacks against me. Rather boring and a waste of time in my opinion.
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You must keep telling yourself that you're stupid all the time. Since you're still the only one here with weak understanding of anything, especially logic.
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Was that the sound of the last remains of your logic leaving your brain?
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Going with definiton from wikipedia "A chromosome abnormality, disorder, anomaly, aberration, or mutation" - so it's NOT NORMAL. I'm not racist/homophobic (my avatar is from Clerks if any doubt) or whatever you want to call me but we can't say something unique is a normal thing. There are 2 gender/sexes - boys and girls, and we have abnormalities due to bad genes. Are they normal ? No. Is it something bad ? NO.
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Actual fair summation of trans: a boy who has a chromosome abnormality causing him to be a girl (and vice versa)
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theres only 2 genders male and female. anything other than that is mental illness
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Gender and sex used to be the same thing before 2017.
f**
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u have a dick then u're a male, u have a vagina then u're female. stop brainwashing this generation's kids and telling them theres more than 2 genders.
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These are not gender, these are sexes, which indeed are male or female (with a few medical exception), however there are too many genders to even account for them, and these gender are often confused with orientation (sexual) by dumb SJW degenerate who have cause the confusions.
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The American Psychological Association disagrees with you.
http://www.apadivisions.org/division-44/resources/advocacy/non-binary-facts.pdf
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2015/11/psychology-transgender.aspx
https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx
And these textbooks I found, which all say that the best way for a psychologist to "treat" a non-binary person is to affirm their identity and support them as a non-binary person.
https://books.google.com/books?id=0EsrDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT540&lpg=PT540&dq=non-binary+psychology&source=bl&ots=7y4PmXWtas&sig=PssZTAXDMKD_5NzKrX78G-Dmnd8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK8LmL--zYAhVNHqwKHf52Bgw4ChDoAQhNMAY#v=onepage&q=non-binary%20psychology&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=lVYoDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA691&lpg=PA691&dq=non-binary+psychology&source=bl&ots=hI2o-nb46C&sig=LzNopnk0-spzO55fLmBNTAZvuAc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK8LmL--zYAhVNHqwKHf52Bgw4ChDoAQhVMAg#v=onepage&q=non-binary%20psychology&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=7tW_CQAAQBAJ&pg=PT261&lpg=PT261&dq=non-binary+psychology&source=bl&ots=wQVjiGlraO&sig=Sjo4lgBQmBWMf0FTi0AYFtFAdAk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK8LmL--zYAhVNHqwKHf52Bgw4ChDoAQhXMAk#v=onepage&q=non-binary%20psychology&f=false
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So you're saying those who identify as non-binary have a mental illness, and it's not chemical since it's treatable by psychotherapy alone?
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People who identify as non-binary can have mental illnesses, just like everyone else, but being non-binary is not itself a mental illness, just like being transgender is not a mental illness. I'd recommend reading the links; they're all very enlightening. :)
For example, from "The Psychology of Transgender":
APA: The DSM-5 [the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, published by the American Psychiatric Association] no longer lists “gender identity disorder” as a diagnosis but instead refers to “gender dysphoria.” Why and how did this come about, and what is the difference between the two terms?
Bockting: "Gender dysphoria" is a term that reflects more accurately than gender identity disorder when an individual is distressed about a conflict between their sex assigned at birth and their gender identity/role. "Gender identity disorder" suggests that their gender identity is disordered, yet having any gender identity, including a transgender identity, is not a disorder. However, having any gender identity, including a transgender identity, is not a disorder. Rather, the distress that some transgender people may experience at some point in their lives may be of clinical concern and can be alleviated through clinical management. The change in the DSM from gender identity disorder to gender dysphoria was a way to depathologize having a gender identity that differs from one’s sex assigned at birth and recognize the concern and clinical care that transgender individuals may need to achieve comfort with their gender identity, their body and gender role.
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However "one's sex assigned at birth" is always a binary biological sex and doesn't adhere to the idea they suggest that there are more. A very contradictory idea in my opinion as it pretty much states 'everyone is male or female unless they feel like they aren't, then help them deal with it by telling them whatever they want to hear'. The terms and medical definition related to this issue via DSM aren't very weighty in terms of actual science. This is one reason why psychologists are the backbone of many jokes in the medical field. Not saying I agree one way or the other just saying that both sides, anecdotal/subjective (psychologists/psychiatrists) and medical/objective (scientists), still aren't in agreement. This is why I was pointing out in my original statement that you have to absolve all roles or else there will always be grey area. To feel not at home in one's body, is likely not only a mental disorder (as the inherent feeling itself is related to many other disorders) but a physiological one as well. The brain is very capable of doing this and it's likely a measurable thing if we develop tests to characterize the levels of neurotransmitters and hormone levels being generated by the person. If people with gender issues want to truly fix the issue, it's not creating new labels to help them cope with this malady but an actual scientific approach.
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I'm not sure what to tell you; every time I give you info to back up my assertions, you ignore it. You didn't address the fact that trans women of color are more likely to be murdered than cis women of color, instead focusing on how the murder rate for trans people in general is lower than that of the general population. You didn't reply to my comment about how transgender people are much more likely to be victims of rape and/or domestic violence than cisgender people. You accused me of saying that being non-binary is a mental illness when I was clearly saying the exact opposite; even a cursory look at just one of the six relevant links I posted shows that psychologists do not consider being transgender to be a mental illness in any way, shape, or form. And now you're saying that psychologists aren't qualified to decide what is or isn't a mental illness, which is--to be blunt--just plain absurd, and shows a total lack of understanding of what psychology is and how it works.
If we can't even agree that experts are experts, then we'll never come to an agreement regarding any of this.
Since you're so fixated on biology, though, you might be interested in this article about biological sex from the journal Nature, which talks about how biologists are beginning to see sex as a spectrum rather than a binary, due to how many aspects there are to biological sex (anatomy, chromosomes, cells, hormones, etc) and how often they don't fit neatly into "male" and "female" boxes.
But doctors have long known that some people straddle the boundary — their sex chromosomes say one thing, but their gonads (ovaries or testes) or sexual anatomy say another. Parents of children with these kinds of conditions — known as intersex conditions, or differences or disorders of sex development (DSDs) — often face difficult decisions about whether to bring up their child as a boy or a girl. Some researchers now say that as many as 1 person in 100 has some form of DSD.
.When genetics is taken into consideration, the boundary between the sexes becomes even blurrier. Scientists have identified many of the genes involved in the main forms of DSD, and have uncovered variations in these genes that have subtle effects on a person's anatomical or physiological sex. What's more, new technologies in DNA sequencing and cell biology are revealing that almost everyone is, to varying degrees, a patchwork of genetically distinct cells, some with a sex that might not match that of the rest of their body. Some studies even suggest that the sex of each cell drives its behaviour, through a complicated network of molecular interactions. “I think there's much greater diversity within male or female, and there is certainly an area of overlap where some people can't easily define themselves within the binary structure,” says John Achermann, who studies sex development and endocrinology at University College London's Institute of Child Health.
If nothing else, I've learned some really interesting things from Googling all this stuff. Like how brain scans show that there's no such thing as a "male" brain or a "female" brain; the vast majority of people have brain structures which are a mix of what used to be considered male and female.
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I ignore your moot points. That is correct. I don't need to address your statistical aberration when the overall is lower which you admitted, anything else said on the topic doesn't mean anything. Yes, trans are more likely to be victim of rape/domestic violence, and lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence overall -- is that attributable to inequality or is it an inherent quality of having this identity issue? You did say it was a mental illness, you just must not have understood the wording. If you think I'm ignoring anything, you just ignored the fact that psychologists are not medical doctors and psychiatrists don't use science -- which as I pointed out medical scientists create objective diagnosis that are provable (i.e. cancer, HIV, gout, etc.) and psychologists/psychiatrists create subjective diagnosis (ADHD, schizophrenia, etc.) that are based on their medical "opinion". You need to learn the difference between subjective and objective diagnosis.
In regard to your "brain structures": like I said, we haven't done enough actual scientific research on the cause of it -- just like homosexuality -- we just try to abate the issue with psychological fixes that aren't real treatment. It's not an easy thing to study appropriately. There's not a lot of trans/gay people that are willing to just become test subjects, or money for that matter, at least that I'm aware of. When someone has an ailment that's not understood, normally when they die their body is dissected and examined to learn more about the cause. There's many things non-intrusive study can show you but many more things it can't and require research that's not readily PC in this culture.
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You did say it was a mental illness, you just must not have understood the wording.
I write for a living; people wouldn't pay me if I couldn't understand my own sentences. ;)
As a reminder, this is what I wrote.
And these textbooks I found, which all say that the best way for a psychologist to "treat" a non-binary person is to affirm their identity and support them as a non-binary person.
I think it's my usage of quotation marks around the word "treat" which confused you. They were intended to be "scare quotes"; that is, I used the word "treat" in a sarcastic way which implies that I don't believe that being non-binary is something that needs "treatment" at all. If a non-binary person is seeing a mental health professional, they'll be treated for whatever mental health issue they have--depression, PTSD, schizophrenia, whatever--and/or for "gender dysphoria", a potential side effect of being transgender (not all trans people experience gender dysphoria). Whether or not gender dysphoria itself is or should be considered a mental illness is controversial. However, regardless, all evidence points to the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria being supporting the trans person in their identity.
I have to actually do my job now, so I'll end this debate here. I'd recommend studying up on what psychology and psychiatry are; the misinformation and the lack of information you have regarding them is honestly pretty sad. The only reason I'm even alive today thanks to the help of the mental health professionals I've seen throughout my life. I'm grateful for the help and support I've received in my recovery of my own mental illnesses and in dealing with trauma. Not all mental health professionals are perfect, and there's debates and controversies and whatnot, but the world would be a much darker place without the ability to treat these issues.
Yes, trans are more likely to be victim of rape/domestic violence, and lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence overall -- is that attributable to inequality or is it an inherent quality of having this identity issue?
I'll leave you with this: people are responsible for their own actions. It is never, ever a person's fault for being raped or assaulted. It is the fault of the rapist or the abuser. Saying otherwise implies that, even in a small way, someone can be justified in raping or assaulting somebody--which is never true.
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Still putting words in my mouth I never said. I won't be replying to what could've been a worthwhile discussion if you're just going to fill the gaps with bullshit. I never said anything about it being anyone's fault -- if you don't understand English you really shouldn't be a "writer".
You also like to cherry pick your stats to prove your point when each time you're wrong.
The National Violence Against Women survey found that 21.5 percent of men and 35.4 percent of women living with a same-sex partner experienced intimate-partner physical violence in their lifetimes, compared with 7.1 percent and 20.4 percent for men and women, respectively, with a history of only opposite-sex cohabitation. Transgender respondents had an incidence of 34.6 percent over a lifetime according to a Massachusetts survey. https://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue
From: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/183781.pdf
And perhaps you should read about battering, which has nothing to do with your made up "Additionally, about a third of lesbian victims of domestic violence are abused by men--many lesbians date or even marry men before they figure out they're gay" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships
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You keep saying that but you're still the only one putting words in your own mouth, just like everyone else keeps telling you. You clearly don't understand logic or English, so please stop trying to attack others that do. It's not their fault you are lacking.
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No amount of image spam will make anyone like you, sorry.
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I (noun)
am (auxiliary verb)
single (transitive verb -- as a state of being).
Linguistically incorrect, I get the joke you were trying to make but we're talking about subjective labels.
"I am a single [insert noun here]." would be using the term as an adjective or therefore a subjective label.
I still love you tho.
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You can call yourself what ever you want. Just don't force me to do the same or ruin the media I consume to be "inclusive" in horrible ways...
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Gender is on a spectrum.
So with infinitesimal increments, there are (potentially) an infinite number of genders.
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Everything is nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mY1ZrJB2sQ
(P.S. Nothing in the video you posted is based on science, it's based on opinion. The video I posted is based on science. Think about that.)
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I dunno why but I read "Stop labeling yourself and start banging yourself."
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How can you have gender equality when you think there are over 9000 genders?
Stop labeling yourself and start being yourself.
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