Good Evening!
I'm playing with a very old machine, and I need to upgrade my GPU.

MY PC NOW:

MB: Asus MN3-H/HDMI
GPU: ATI HD 4800 SERIES
CPU: Phenom II x4 940 (I can try to OC it if necessary)
RAM: 8Gb
PSU: 700W

I've found a lot of different solution clicking on google, in hardware forums, and I really can't decide!
At the moment I can't afford to build a new 4K gaming PC uber potato power.
I can spend a max of 200€ for a single GPU that can provide me better performance, acces to DX11 and....compatibility with my old components.

I've found a R9 290X for 190€ but I'm afraid to make a bottleneck.

From other forums the suggestions are:

R9 380/380X
GTX 960/970

OR

RX 460 in 2 weeks it should be out.

I really need your help.

Excuse my bad english. :(

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7 years ago

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Im not suggesting you buy one, but my r9 270x hawx did an adequate job on most every game I threw at, i wasnt getting 90fps or anything, but good enough to play most at 30fps. But I'm sure value for the dollar there are better now.

7 years ago
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It could be good, can shop it for 200€ on amazon xD
Maybe there is something cheaper with same/better performance?

7 years ago
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I would prefer the 1060 over the 970, as it is newer, a bit cheaper and yet a bit better.

7 years ago
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It's not cheaper in eu

7 years ago
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So fakkin sad

7 years ago
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I need to upgrade a very old PC, not to build a new one.
1060 is for new PCs not for a 2008 bike xD
However is a bit expensive at € 350+ Vs 970 € 250 +-

7 years ago
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Nvidia cards run games better on older / weaker CPU's (this is a proven fact).

Personally, I would recommend a GTX 970 for that hardware and your budget range. It is plenty fast enough for 1080p gaming.

Anything more would be total overkill.

7 years ago
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How about a RX 480?

7 years ago
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I can spend 200€ max

7 years ago
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4GB RX480 is 200€. (or at least it should be)

7 years ago
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Found it for not less then 230

7 years ago
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Either GTX 1050 or RX470/460.
Please, don't buy old cards.

7 years ago
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I need to buy and old one, because my entire PC is old.
Do you think it's usefull to mount the latest GPU on a 9 years CPU? O.o
I just want to spend less then I can to play newer games....or that require DX11

7 years ago
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I personally have never bought a new GPU because I don't want to pay the premium for new technology and I can't afford it. I like to buy used cards that are 2 or 3 years old at a fraction of the original price.

The GTX 580 was released in Nov 2010 for $500 ($550 for my specific card) and I bought a used one when it was 3 years old for $111. That sounds like a much better deal to me than buying a new card, unless you want the best performance and can afford it.

I am still running the 580 today without any problems.

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Can't spend all that money atm.
I'll build a new PC when GPU make me play on TV 4K on ultra without spending 2k €
XD

7 years ago
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The 970 is really nice and holds pretty well, at least my OC Palit one.
I get 52FPS in "Rise of the Tomb Raider" at 1080p and Ultra settings using Directx12.
43FPS at least when roaming on Witcher 3 with everything at Ultra (including Hairworks as well, without it, I get around 53) at 1080p while using 3DVision.

But yeah, CPU may be a bit problematic unless it has got at least 3GHz...
You can always consider carrying the GPU into your future PC instead of buying a new one when you make the change.

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It could be a good solution, but I need to OC my cpu. It's multiplier should be unlocked so it shouldn't be difficult

7 years ago
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I've never dared OCing any CPU, so can't offer any info on it, sorry, but if you're certain that can be done and reduce the bottlenet, then by all means!

7 years ago
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What is this bottlenet, you speak of? You mean battlenet?

7 years ago
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Sorry for not... writting Bottleneck instead of bottlenet?
You had to comment just to say that?

7 years ago
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You worry about the space or... that someone is correcting you? Dayum son! The bottleneck won't be gone its too old pc sir!

7 years ago
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460 looks set be significantly weaker than the 290x, so not sure exactly what level you're aiming for. It will be fine for CS and that but so are most things, there's a massive falloff in grunt between the 470/480 and the 460. In general the 470 looks to be the sweet spot, it will probably sit in the middle of the other forum suggestions but 8gb, an aftermarket cooler and DX12 friendly for under $200 is a winner for my money. I know EU prices for the 480 have been a bitch but they seem to be settling already, no reason to expect the 470 won't slip into your budget similarly quickly.

You could try and OC the CPU if you like and would get some mileage out of it but you'd get a massive performance boost from the card alone.

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Thanks!
Some speculation, Rx 460 could be at 120 €
i'm aiming to better performance then the actuals, not the best in the world...I will upgrade PC in 1 year or 2 xD

7 years ago
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I hate to disappoint you but I'm not a GPU I'm a human being :/

7 years ago
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oh, Shish. I would to put your heart inside my PCI. No it's all over ;(

7 years ago
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My heart is in so many pieces it's no use to anyone :)

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7 years ago
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Sometimes people like you are luckier then other, believe me XD

7 years ago
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Doesn't feel lucky to me, but a bad relation isn't good either I guess. But this is thread is about GPUs not love :D

7 years ago
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New game not just need gpu
If you get a 970 or 1060(980) you might be still lagging by reason of you cpu
With you x4 940 even a I3 can be better
You can just grab a r9 270

For better performance you need higher budge
I7+1070 might be a good idea
Or I5+rx480 still very power

7 years ago
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I need better performance then actual performance, not the best performance..do you think R9 270 could be a good solution for now?

7 years ago
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For now no 270 can run almost every game without lagging (lowest effect
I wonder you can get a used 290 but the performance might the same with a 280?
(Due to your cpu you still can not turn on all effects
Keep 290 and upgrade your cpu+motherboard when you have extra budge

270 is not powerful enough to stand for next 5 year
But if you get a used 290 the warranty will run out soon
get a new card like 470 just wait a few month might be the best solution

7 years ago
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i just got an amd rx 480 and it performs amazingly with a dual core CPU i understand its above your price point but it seriously is an amazing gpu. doom maxed out and so did black ops 3 and what not. if you could find the extra money i recommend it

7 years ago
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I'll think about your comment. Thanks :)

7 years ago
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its also more future proof then the gtx 1060, since it has really good dx 12 optimization and vulkan

7 years ago
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And what do you think about RX470?

7 years ago
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idk havent done much research on it yet

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7 years ago
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Yes, it's BE ^^
Thanks for your suggestion :)

7 years ago
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I personally would go for the 290X. Actually, can you tell me where you found it? :D
I see you are italian, but maybe I can find one too XD
But yea, your CPU will surely bottleneck, so maybe a lower card would be better :/
But I think even weaker GPUs might be bottlenecked, so I would go for the 290X :)

7 years ago
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I found it used from a user of tom's hardware.
Thanks for your suggestion

7 years ago
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RX 470 reviews should be coming sometime early next week, and it just might land at less than 200 (even in EU). It really looks to hit the sweetspot on performance/buck, so unless the asshole retailers play their GougeAllTheGamers-card yet again, it really should be on your radar :)

7 years ago
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I hope I can wait it :>

7 years ago
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Unfortunately I can't help you with that. I am playing on a pre-built rig I got from a larger super market chain, not kidding. The deal was pretty good, computer's decent and it got me into gaming again after a long hiatus. However... Wanted to tell you that I took the key for the Saints Row Thank You DLC, so thanks a lot, Syndrome. :)

7 years ago
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You are welcome :D
My actual pc was a prebuilt, but I changed it so many times in years xD

7 years ago
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GIven your poweful PSU you could look for a decent deal of past gen Radeons. Might be overboard but I've seen a Fury (non-X) for 320€ listed. You'd probably best go AMD as your CPU is not the most powerful and DX12 / Vulcan provides a nice speedup vs DX11 especially so on AMD GPUs. (need pointers to read?)

460 would be a tad low to itch on. RX470 is a nice sweet spot ~170€ for 8GB which should be more as fine for FullHD gaming. Then again there been deals for the 8GB RX 480 for 240€ shipped. Which a first card would form a imho formidable base for teaming them into a crossfire for later 4k upgrade.

7 years ago
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Do you think I should point on RX470 so?

7 years ago
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For 200€ max. I believe the RX470 will be the best choise. It is said to be available for 150$ + taxes.
Compared to the RX460, which shall be available for 99$ + taxes, you get 100% more Gflops for 50% higher price.

7 years ago
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Thanks! :)

7 years ago
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Get Quadro Titan X, runs minecraft on 16K 144 fps m9.

7 years ago
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Think you are funny? :O

7 years ago
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Your CPU will be bottlenecking performance quite a bit, and it may interest you to know that an older AMD CPU paired with a recent AMD GPU gives you worse performance in general than a comparable Nvidia model. This video demonstrates what happens when a GTX 1060 and a RX 480 are tested with 6 year old Intel and AMD CPUs similar to your own. You'll notice the RX480 suffers with a weaker CPU much more than the GTX 1060. The reason seems to be AMD's driver overhead in DX11 titles, and this problem is non-existent with the newer lower level APIs (DX12 and Vulkan), as shown here.

That said, the R9 290X is extremely good bang for the buck at that price, probably more than the other options there. A RX 480 seems to be only marginally faster, although it has a theoretically newer version of the GCN architecture, the older card is still DX12 compliant and will be for years. (I actually own a R9 290 myself and I am very happy with its performance (it has no problem running the newest games on high to ultra at 1440p), albeit it's an i7 that feeds it in my case).

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YA when AMD released Mantle Nvidia soon released their "miracle" driver which did a major boost on Dx11 perf. Nvidia produces a really high quality Dx11 and OpenGL driver. When it comes to Dx12 and Vulcan things are not so bright however. Not that they suck at all. Its critique on super high level its just AMD had just more experience with Mantle beforehand which shows.

290(x) is two GCN gens older but i wouldn't discard them. If their greatest strength (their broad 384bit SI) could be of use (1440p and beyond gaming) their slight age shouldn't matter. But they need to be cheap as there is little use of taking older silicone before fresh ones at same price levels.

7 years ago
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Thanks for the great explanation. I can't really decide wich GPU for a low price could give me the best performance with my CPU :(

7 years ago
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I would not care that much about that, if you buy a new CPU in one or two years anyway. No matter if you buy a RX 4x0 or a 380x, this GPU will be good enough for 3 years and you can take it with you in your new computer.
In worst case you will be disappointed with the performance, if with some games the CPU is the bottleneck, not the GPU.

7 years ago
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This is what I'm searching, a good GPU for 2 years. Not the best but a cheap one that can work better then the actual :D

7 years ago
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I have a R9 380X. Good performance/value, runs most games with maxed out graphics.

7 years ago
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Thanks, It's one of my options!

7 years ago
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that 290X is pretty good still, has left behind the GTX780Ti in some games, but its also very hot and very power power hungry, and that CPU might bottleneck it, but i also think it might bottleneck an RX480 or a GTX1060, the Phenom IIs are starting to show its age.

You might be lucky and find an RX480 4GB for the 200$ it supposed to cost, if not then the RX470 is comming in 2 weeks and it looks to be pretty good. Theres nothing better for that money.

consider older cards, GTX970/980 or R9 380/390s if they are cheaper than the RX480 price.

7 years ago
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Thanks, thanks, thanks. At this point, I think I've just to choose one, the cheaper.
Everyone prefer one to another so...for now it seem that all gpu's mentioned can work really good for me xD

7 years ago
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that 290X is pretty good :P

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7 years ago
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Dunque, 190€ per una Radeon R9 290X é un ottimo prezzo, ma non la sfrutterai mai al massimo.
Di che marca é il tuo alimentatore? Perché se é di marca buona, va bene, ma se é un modello economico, 700 Watt sono un eufemismo, e difficilmente reggerebbe una scheda cosi potente.
Aspetta le Radeon Rx 460 e 470, e magari compra anche un dissipatore aftermarket per un leggero overclock alla CPU (e un alimentatore migliore se necessario).

7 years ago
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Lo so che non la sfrutterei. Il ragazzo che la vende però assicura che lui fin'ora la mandava con un 650w senza problemi. Secondo me i consumi dichiarati sono sempre un po' abbondanti, e va considerato anche io non la sfrutterei al massimo, quindi difficilmente credo andrebbe a spremere l'alimentatore.
L'alimentatore è un tecnoware, ha pochi giorni dato che è quello che mi hanno dato in sostituzione di una garanzia.
Comunque sono abbastanza indeciso se prendere questa R9 290 o se aspettare la RX470. O se puntare a questo punto su una scheda più vecchia magari la R9 380...oltre che una questione di performance è una questione di prezzo, non voglio spendere tanto per una GPU che fra un paio d'anni al massimo, quando farò il PC di sana pianta, non userò sicuramente più poiché punterò su qualcosa che mi spari il 4K come dio comanda...non so se mi son spiegato

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Tecnoware... non una delle peggiori marche, ma c'é di meglio...
Ne ho uno nel mio vecchio PC (500W, del 2006), e non mi ha mai dato problemi, ma é anche vero che non l'ho mai sfruttato appieno (quel PC consuma circa 150 W).

Marche meno "blasonate" solitamente falsano il wattaggio per far sembrare i loro alimentatori più potenti, usano componenti di minor valore, ed includono solo le protezioni più basilari.

Per un primo controllo, verifica se il marchio CE é quello genuino (Comunità Europea, con lettere distanziate) e non quello contraffatto (China Exportation, con lettere quasi "appiccicate" tra loro).

Alimentatori con il marchio contraffatto sono veri e propri fuochi artificiali, e potrebbero friggere un intero PC, o anche tutto l'impianto elettrico...
Una lettura interessante: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-power-supply,2862.html

Ed é questo infatti il motivo per cui AMD e Nvidia dichiarano consumi un po' più alti per le loro schede, per scongiurare problemi legati ad alimentatori con valori falsati.

Comunque, il valore più importante non é il Wattaggio complessivo, ma quello sulla linea dei 12 Volts, che é quella utilizzata per l'alimentazione della GPU.

Riguardo alla scheda, se ti serve solo temporaneamente, allora compra quella più economica che trovi.
Ti consiglierei di aspettare le Rx 460, dovrebbero costare circa 120€ (più probabilmente 150€ con l'IVA), anche perché dovrebbero calare i prezzi per schede più vecchie.

7 years ago
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Credo proprio che aspetterò la RX460. Grazie per i consigli :)

7 years ago
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Thanks for the offer but I didn't really plan to become a GPU.

7 years ago
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wait and get a RX 470 FTW! i guess theres not gonna be so much difference in performance between that and rx 480.

7 years ago
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Ok, thanks :)

7 years ago
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Your CPU is not Speed demon this days ;) will limit performance mid range cards.
Try look for Used 7790 (latter know as R7 260X ) or GTX 750 TI / 760
or go for GTX 960 / R9 285/380
About R9 290 you have 90% chance to buy former mining GPU
Bitcoin ect and this things decrease life spawn ;)

  • I recommend you to visit locals pawnshop, sometimes they sell nice hardware so cheap that blowing my mind and other day day they try sell junk for insane price ;)

And check this CPU TEST in many games with GTX 780
http://overclock.pl/articles/show/id/660,8,13,wydajnosc-po-podkreceniu-zestawienie-zbiorcze-gtx-780
And R9 290x
http://overclock.pl/articles/show/id/660,9,13,wydajnosc-po-podkreceniu-zestawienie-zbiorcze-r9-290x
This are older titles but will show how much performance from high end GPU you will lose when you use weak CPU :)

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Thanks for the advice :3

7 years ago
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Before the 7950, I had a r7 260x and it was really efficient , the perfect mid-to-high card.

7 years ago
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This R7 260X can be very efficient after undervolting.

In most time I put GPUs to max performance regardless to power draw but some time ago my brother ask me to to decrease power draw from his Gigabyte R7 260X 1GB because for him this GPU is enough strong

I Checked Power Draw under Furmark by GPU-Z at stock setting core 1075 average power draw on GPU core was 93W temp 77C after -100mv and reducing core to 1060 ( 0,99-1V)power draw decrees to 65W temp 65C and was stable in few tested games I really surprise how little performance 1,3% clocks he lose compared to reducing power consumption by 28W.
In opposite my Club 3D series 13 7790 @1345 +80mv under furmark draw 140W 76C this more than 2x power draw for less than 30% better clock I try under-clock my GPU but under 2D I have instant freeze
using bios from Asus 7790.

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That's a good thing. I'm a little afraid of touching voltages on my card, but someday I will try. I really don't play very exigent games. What software do you recommend for undervolting?

Could it be that the r7 260x (is a rebranded 7790???) has a more modern bios/firmware and because of that is more efficient than the 7790?

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yes R7 260x is re-brand from 7790 * first GPU based on second revision GCN arch later after some tweaks used in R9 290x.
is not more efficient 7790 at this same setting will be similar.
You can even Flash bios and change 7790 to R7 260x but if you chose incorrect bios you can brick GPU and you will need some work to reverse it in 99,9% you can fix it ;)
I Use MSI Afterburner with turn on option Extend official overlclock limits but you no need this option for undervolting ;)
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html

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Hello, for your machine the r9 290x is great. I have a 7950(roughly a r9 280) and performs great (dirt rally in ultra 1080, doom demo in high settings at 1080, etc) you could even sacrifice resolution to 720p and it would handle a lot of modern games at the highest settings. I even have another 7950 for crossfire but I don't even use it because none of the games in my collection needs it :/
What I don't know is if 190euros is cheap or if is it in price, but I would recommend you the r9 290x (I think 380 is kinda similar and a little more energy efficient, but that's all) .

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