Yup. It took over 10 years between DX10 coming out locked to Vista and enough games needing a post-XP OS for me to switch from XP to 7. Theoretically that's now supposed to happen again with DX12 and Win10, but it's happening so slowly I can't imagine needing to change OS for the next 20 years at least.
Like, it's been 6 years since DX12/Win10 came out and so far the only games exclusive to them are a handful of console ports that run like shit and that I probably won't have the hardware to run for another 10 years anyway.
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If only I had another GPU to install Linux and do the Passthrough thing, fuck off microsoft
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Ah, whatever. It's not compatible with my Ryzen 1600x anyway, and I'm not keen on buying a new motherboard plus CPU just to run some fancy new OS.
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it appears that your cpu will be supported after all
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In order to buy the Pro upgrade from MS Store won't you need a Microsoft account anyway?
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Thanks for posting the information Lugum.
I personally don't think requiring a Microsoft account is a bad thing, but yeah I can see how it could be annoying for some.
I'm really curious as to what the price for Windows 11 will be. I'm guessing the initial price point will be around $399.99.
I'm wondering what is lacking in Windows 10 Home compared to Windows 10 Pro that it wouldn't allow Home to update to Windows 11. Does anyone know?
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Home can update to Windows 11, you have to upgrade to Pro if you want to make a local account during setup and bypass the MS account.
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It could be problematic if you don't get a steady internet connection (with some companies think we always got internet), but i had it with windows 10, i didn't mind the account part itself but it always showed your email adress as a full name, including the user folder i believe, while i rather have the choice of lugum or my first name as an username.
That would be really really expensive in which you could get a full console for, i hope it doesn't get that far.
My guess is probably not much, just with Home they could track you down and all (and target ads) while the Pro could give you the option to get away from it, but both being regardless you end up paying.
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Smh.. I meant $399.99 not $599.99 lol
$600 would be ridiculous, I don't think it's going to be anywhere near that.
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:p To be fair though even $399.99 i would find very expensive, dunno how much 365 is/was together for a year?
(Assuming you talking about Pro, and i didn't know Pro was even so expensive just looked it up).
They probably liked that business model a lot better, having a continuing income rather then people paying once.
140 euro for home, is just about enough already (personally), although i gonna hate the whole account thing, this might actually just drive people to pirate. And they would/could still change it they said if too many don't like it, so it's kinda they know what they are doing and will be receiving but try it anyway,
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I paid $2 for my copy of Windows 10 Pro on ebay lol. You'll be able to buy keys from reseller sites for Windows 11 just like you could with all the other versions and the keys are completely legit. I would never pay over $20 for an OS much less the hundreds of dollars for new Windows. That's insane.
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I've had a Microsoft account since I was 14 (I'm 30 now). But I can understand how this is annoying and disliked. I kind of feel like I've sold my soul to several different companies.
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Meh, I will just download cracked version for it, can't imagine paying for Microsoft Windows.
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I'm actually amazed anyone pays retail price for windows OS
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There's no reason to do that. If you're going to go that route anyways, it's better to just get a key off one of those third party sites. They go for as low as a couple of bucks in some cases and usually works no problem. Better option than downloading some cracked version that might contain shady stuff.
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And you don't think they don't use a keygenerator or leaked keys? It's just as shady.
Unless one still uses a piratebay, most places people will flood you yelling this or that upload is a scam and fake, it isn't so shady anymore as it used to be.
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Never said it wasn't shady, third party sites are what they are, but it won't put your security at risk is my point.
They also wouldn't use keygenerators, that's not a thing anyone would bother doing with these. It either works, in which case it's legit or it would be entirely fake. They are even sold so cheaply that no one would bother selling "stolen" keys, or keys bought with stolen credit cards. Not enough money in that to even warrant the effort.
There's also a million ways legit cheap actual Windows keys exist. It could be volume licencing keys, or part of some education program or simply bought in some cheaper region. Doesn't really matter to the end-user and Microsoft doesn't care.
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Eeeeew :( everytime windows updates it tries to "convince" me to use Edge, just leave me alone
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The only thing which could be a hindrance for me could be the TPM 2.0 thingy as a requirement, cause for now I only plan to upgrade my graphic card, but I'll wait for a better supply (don't want to pay exaggerated high prices). Since my i7-4790K is still more than enough for me, I don't plan to upgrade it.
My current Win10 Pro was a free upgrade from my Win7 Pro and I already have a MS account from the good old times on the Xbox 360.
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This TPM 2.0 cancel your privacy. You will no longer control installed applications in Windows, your encryption will be open to MS, your VPN will become a fig piece of paper.
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Did the so called "privacy" ever exist at all?
I don't think so. If it's Google (Android), Apple or Microsoft, they are all the same and none of them cares about the "privacy" of their consumer.
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For most of the cases, it doesn't out of the box. There are always privacy-oriented alternatives but when it comes to system-wise privacy that requires knowledge and not so easy for a standard user. Standard users can switch to privacy apps and that can provides a simple layer of privacy. But for a decent one, system-wise privacy is important.
For Android, Google knows so much per device. Same things apply to Windows and Microsoft, iOS and Apple. Using de-googled Android definitely helps with privacy (such as LineageOS, GrapheneOS etc). For iPhone, no other option than jail-break as I know.
While Windows can be tuned for privacy options (not the Microsoft provided ones, the ones that can be changed from regedit), using Linux is better for out-of-the-box privacy experience. There are also deeper privacy oriented OS options but that's not the topic here.
Anyway, it's not possible to get 100% privacy on modern devices (because it's also about service providers) but it's still possible to control the big portion of your data. It's kind of a tortuous way for normal people, because that mostly requires to change of your digital life style at some point but yes privacy does exist, it just has some costs.
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From what I've seen on recent laptop, that's the case already on Windows 10 Home. If it will continue to be possible to switch to a local account later then I'm fine with it because I'm already used to it.
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Because the page is short, this didn't focus correctly, but I assume you mean the comment about disconnecting the internet.
Far as I remember that didn't work last time I tried it, but I'm not going to try to verify this right now. :)
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Yeah that's what i meant, can't remember when but i think i reinstalled windows from scratch atleast this year, maybe 3-4 months ago, and it still worked then atleast.
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I don't really care that much simply because I have a Microsoft account and can use it, and then remove it and go back to a simple account.
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-.- So we're not doing the whole "better user experience" thing, we're doing the "better for Microsoft" thing... not that I don't have account, but maybe I just don't want my computer to be this big network.
This summer I set up virtual machines with Windows 98 and Windows XP, so I could play my childhood games on disc, and they were so simple and nice to use. Not trying to force users to have shit they don't want.
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yeah, it requires you to setup a microsoft email nowadays for windows 10. i had to go through that horrible step when i tried to format my old laptop for someone else. i'm not even surprised that the new windows 11 won't ask you to do the same thing.
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I don't believe if you disconnect your internet, then you could still just make a local account. Unless it's changed.
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that is correct, but i don't think there is an option to turn it off (if there is any, then i must have missed it). my internet was disconnected when i used it to set up my new laptop, so i didn't had to do this.
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Looks like I'll be staying on Windows 10 with my local account.
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don't buy/use windows 11 until they remove for forever the account requeriment.
i will stay with my windows 10 and avoid the windows 11 cancer
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They removed it from Windows 10 after some European court order if I recall correctly. It's also possible the same thing will happen with Windows 11.
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and if they don't do, just don't use it, they will eventually do by themselves if they want to sell it.
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It already is not my daily drive but I need Windows 10 as my testing environment (mostly) so I won't make the switch until Windows 11 becomes majority. Not soon I hope.
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With the TPM technology no one should install windows 11 if they want some privacy and control to their own PC.
For example with that technology if they want they can make you unable to use your PC, they can even format your PC if they want, erase your archives, make a limit use of your archives like you open 5 times the song and you can't hear again if you don't pay it for it again etc...
etc....
etc....
they can ban any webpage they don't consider "safe"
an a long Etc....
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Will the majority oppose this? I don't think so, but I hope they do. Otherwise, only viable solution seems like to be installing in a virtual machine.
I already don't think Microsoft will allow my choice of operating system to install alongside with Windows. I already don't use secure boot, or cannot.
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TPM is just a secure cryptography chip. It implements some crypto algorithms so they run directly on the chip instead of the CPU, and it can store crypto keys. It's not a magic chip like you think it is.
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it's as magic as it sound, other thing it's if they will do it that "hardcore" or not.
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Funny how they're making Win10 even more of a Microsoft ad ridden spybot right before Win11 launches.
No finesse with their trickery just right out in the open.
The sad part is most people won't notice and the people who have can't do anything about it.
I remember the nightmare stories about the "free" upgrade for Win10.
People losing precious data (family photos, archives, rare documents, etc) because the upgrade would just happen and the process was not tested well.
Can't wait to constantly dodge popups and aggressive reminders to upgrade that you can't turn off because why make your OS options open to the end user.
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That's obviously bad news, but for me personally at least it doesn't really matter, since I need Pro anyway. I'm also not opposed to the idea of using a MS account. I would like to have the choice, though.
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If they stick to this Microsoft Account requirement, what will happen during install if Windows doesn't have a driver for the PC's Ethernet?
I didn't even know for a while that MS tried to push Microsoft Accounts with Win10. Back when I built this PC and installed Win10, it didn't have a driver for my MB's built in Ethernet, so during install it couldn't access the internet and defaulted to a local account. Upgrading through the years it never tried to force me to use an online account. Then a year or two ago when I was re-installing with the latest version of Win10, it now has the driver for my Ethernet chip and wouldn't let me create a local account until I unplugged the Ethernet cable.
Is Microsoft trying to see how far they can push things before they get sued again? It's like they forgot about the whole Internet Explorer thing because they went right back to forcing their browser into the OS.
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"Here's a change coming in Windows 11 that many users won't like. The 'Home' version of the software, designed for personal or family use, will require a Microsoft account (or MSA) during the setup process.
In order to set up using a local account instead, you'll need to use Windows 11 Pro instead. That's according to our sister site PCWorld, which cites a source close to the company.
Microsoft is offering a free update from Windows 10 to Windows 11, but only from the corresponding version. In order to access local account setup, you'll need to upgrade your existing PC from Windows 10 Home to Pro. That'll cost you at least £219.99/US$199.99 from the Microsoft Store, making it harder to justify.
However, before you proceed, it's worth making sure your PC meets the updated hardware requirements. Find out more in our separate guide: Will my PC run Windows 11?
The free upgrade from Windows 10 Pro to Windows 11 Pro should then be a smooth process, although a recent tweet from the official Windows account confirmed you'll be waiting until 2022.
Windows 11 Home: Is Microsoft account requirement necessary?
In the Windows 11 beta, now available as a free download, required an internet connection in order to complete the installation. The device we used for testing was previously running Windows 10 Home, but the Pro version is expected to offer offline installation. Of course, you'll still need have an active connection to download the update itself.
After installing the May 2019 feature update, Windows 10 Home users were officially required to sign in to a Microsoft account to set up their PC. However, there's an easy workaround which is still available.
The Settings app has had a big redesign in Windows 11, though. Judging from the beta, the method above is no longer available.
However, this doesn't mean you're limited to a Microsoft account forever. After installation and setup, all Windows 11 Home users will be able to add a local account.
Ultimately, the Microsoft account requirement when setting up and installing Windows 11 Home is just annoying. The company is hoping that most people won't mind too much, but if there's enough backlash its decision could be reversed.
From Microsoft's point of view, the move makes a lot of sense. Tying the Windows 11 experience to a Microsoft account provides access to additional features like OneDrive cloud storage and Office apps on the web. In exchange, Microsoft gets data on how people are using their services, allowing the company to tailor its approach."
https://www.techadvisor.com/news/windows/windows-11-home-requires-microsoft-account-3806305/
MY question would also be come to think of it, and having read another article, and for those thinking to stay on 10, will we get the constant nags trying to let us upgrade to 11 like they did with windows 7 to 10? Ifso then i bang my head.
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