Should mods act knowing that there was a 2222 copies giveaway and ban fast the regifters?
Previously the mods let the regifter give away their copy and then ban/suspend them. Let the game go to people who ACTUALY want it in the first place.
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Well is a good argument but they are mods no superheros of justice
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And banning them before the game goes to someone who will use it is a better argument because...?
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Unlisting, or or at least devaluing and deincentivizing, the game would be the best course of action. The method described above doesn't ensure that it goes to a winner that wants it for the same reason that the original winner entered into the giveaway: to win a game to regift or trade away. It is moreover time-consuming and relies on either active monitoring or user reports (typically both), both of which clogs up the ticket panel and takes the moderators away from handling other duties and tickets. It would free up far more time if the game was simply unlisted. That's what we do over at SteamCompanion and it keeps our moderator response time fairly quick. If we were to take the route above, it would be wasting precious time and resources better spent helping pending issues and resolving ongoing disputes.
It could also be perceived as unethical because it knowingly allows users to break the rules simply to deprive them of a game (which they may receive credit for delivering anyway). That borders on entrapment, and still doesn't solve the problem, since the new winner could simply regift or trade it away, anyway. It's a perpetual cycle that only ends with intervention. The easiest intervention would be unlisting (or some equivalent action), so why not take that route?
Anyway, I believe it's neither the moderators' nor the site's responsibility to ensure every game is delivered to someone who wants it. The site's role is to serve as a platform for giving away games; and the moderators' roles are to enforce the rules, handle disputes, and care for the various duties they are assigned to do per their roles. Whether the gift is delivered to the winner is important and is a duty of the site and its administration, as is whether the winner redeems the gift without regifting or trading it away (to some extent, but that's low-priority). Whether the winner actually wants the game, however, is irrelevant and falls outside of the scope of the site and its administration. If the winner doesn't redeem the gift, then he or she is punished. Whether they want the game doesn't matter from the perspective of the site and its team.
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I really don't see the logic behind unlisting the game to prevent it from being regifted, by this logic, we should unlist every game in the site. I don't have a faerie solitaire yet and unlisting it only makes the terrorists win, as legit users can't make a giveaway for it now and legit users can no longer have a chance of winning the game. The core problem is in the userbase, not the listings. Perhaps a higher entry bar?
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That's not how my "logic" works, and I'm not sure as to how you surmised that. For what reason should we unlist "every game in the site"? Has every game been given away during a free promotional event or in massive quantities? Keep in mind that "unlist" doesn't mean permanent unlisting. Perhaps I should have clarified that, and I apologize if that is the misunderstanding here. A game can be unlisted temporarily, such as for a few weeks, or a month or two. This way, it prevents users from regifting on the site. It can then be relisted later, once the dust has settled. They may go elsewhere to regift, but that again falls outside the scope of the responsibilities of the site's administration. if it's reported, an infraction or suspension may be warranted, but otherwise the focus is to retain in-site order. The peripheral activities of the users, even those which relate to the site, are irrelevant.
It doesn't really help to describe them as "terrorists", which is both hyperbolic and misleading. They're just users who aren't following the rules, either out of ignorance or deliberate exploitative intent. Yes, the problem may be the userbase, but you can't change or direct the userbase in any significant way. The userbase is a vast and vague chaotic entity of conflicting interests and aims which the site and its team can only try to keep under control. Trying to change the userbase through any sort of code of conduct or ethical standard fails time and time again. All that can be done is managing the chaos.
Perhaps a higher entry bar?
I don't understand what you mean.
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I think by higher entry bar, he means a higher SG level to enter giant mass giveaways, so that newbies, unfamiliar with the rules aren't getting in...At least that's my assumption, i could be wrong.
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That could work, but then it deprives thousands (tens of thousands?) of users from entering into the giveaway, the majority of whom may be legitimate users intending to follow the rules. It also limits the returns of the promoter, since they are undoubtedly creating the giveaway to promote their game and increase traffic (and purchases). If it is limited to a certain level, those who can't join it may not even check the giveaway or see the description therein because they know they can't enter into the giveaway.
Given the level filters in the settings, it could seriously hinder the publicity the game receives unless there is a forced exemption applied to these settings to permit promotional giveaways to always go through. If this occurs, however, then users may complain about being unfairly subjected to promotional advertising without being able to become an entrant since it's above their level. At that point, it's doubly unfair to users below that certain level threshold. Penalizing users for not giving away games like this isn't a good marketing strategy for the site or contributor.
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The new winner can't reliably regift as by that point they can't be certain about the validity of the key.
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It hasn't stopped people to regift anyway. I've seen it happen numerous times before. I think you underestimate the desperation (and stupidity) of people.
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Don't bother, it's not a priority I think. I've reported several regifters or people who don't add their games to their library, the oldest ticket is 8 months old and still pending.
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Yay,if you can tell me why they dont read or do something with tickets i will thank you cause it happends same to me.
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Because there are over 30k user reports or something like that, and support cannot take care of those, only mods & above (so only 4 people, and I don't know if cg takes care personally of these or if he's too busy with other stuff)
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Because there are too many tickets and only a few mods.
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Huge ticket amount + no/low time. Those are only volunteers.
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A more cynical answer: they lack the manpower or time to handle all the tickets, the team is too small and in desperate need of new recruits, and there may be a lack of preventative measures which could solve issues about which tickets are frequently made.
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here is what i noticed though if u look at ur current tickets of the serial regifters though the ticket maybe still open they have made actions against several of the people i reported wich several got permabanned and several others got temp banned for 1 /2 weeks wich made me close some tickets wich were still open u could check if this happened for u guys as well.
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Only 8 months? I have 18 reports pending that are now 2 years old :P From 47 reports send only 7 were resolved.
Honestly lately i just prefer to add rulebreakers to my blacklist.
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Wow thats amazing. If you are gonna put up rules make sure you'll enforce them.
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They will take care of it eventually. Creating a thread to ask the staff to do what they're here to do won't change anything. :P
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Naah i have pending reports that are 2 years old... 18 of them to be exact.
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Handling it 5 years later doesn't count. Use logic.
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And what, you're going to blame support for slacking? I don't think you realize how many support ticket they go through every day.
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Excuses.
When people have so many excuses, it means they're incapable. You are incapable? Add more workers or replace them. That's how it works in real life.
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I activated Faerie Solitaire when I won it in that big giveaway years ago now. I enjoyed the game, played it all the way through and even enjoy going back to it sometimes. I agree that regifting games should result in a ban as that is in the site rules; however, the mods wouldn't have the time to check every single giveaway. They would all quit then lol
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Wait, that giveaway is over? Where's the party cat gif? :(
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Just won Faerie solitaire. Saw this and thought SG got hacked GG.
PS- Came back after a year of absence and still familiarizing myself with the new site.
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What happened before when you won ?
I can't imagine a world without Space Cat.
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You'd get a boring and kinda easy to miss banner at the top of the giveaways page. Redesign does a much better job at telling & reminding you.
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I don't know what else changed, but I'm sure Space Cat is hands down the best improvement ever made
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If you don't already own Faerie Solitaire you are still allowed to use Steam? This is news to me!
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My 2 year old tickets about Fortix GA regifters are still pending so "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.".
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+1
I have a whole page of regifter reports 'pending'. It's bad enough they only get a few days suspension even if they break the rules several times, but it seems like support has just given up.
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Thats , abit excessive ... and unnecessary .
I agree that the regifters should be reported ... and yeah blacklist them away.
But i dont see a rason to reporting that guy just cause he actually want the game .
Let the regifters shoot themselves in the head , but dont judge people who actually wana enjoy the game .
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I wont blacklist or report anyone for such a thing, just check the games he has won and which are in his library ;)
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lold ... okay >.>
Thats , interesting indeed .
Out of curiosity , do you check literally everyones profile .
Cause i see the Reported and blacklisted. from you quite often ...
Even i am in your blacklist , and im pretty sure i activate my games :)
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I don't check every profile, just the ones that stick out. You are in my blacklist for the same reason I am in yours.
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I see ...that sounds reasonable.
Uh well i removed you from my ... dont remember why you are there ... might be just cause i saw you bl'd me .
Have a nice day .
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It was because you found me retarded for checking profiles and reporting people. But as you can see its necessary.
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All games in library :). I put you on whitelist because you need some love<3
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With that kind of behaviour you'll get a lot of people who will report you.
Anyway, reported +1 and blacklisted.
You didnt activate 4 out of 5 of the games you won here. (I'm almost certain you are selling them on G2A).
Great man. People give away games for you to enjoy and you try to make some profit of it. gtfo
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Then enlighten me, what did you do with those keys?
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What's wrong with you people?
Instead of apologizing for activating almost NONE of your gifts, you're trying to attack back..
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Yeah people retaliate, go figure?
already had enough BS in life to be apologetic to someone that bitter
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I'm not bitter at all, I just don't like people who break the rules. And with that attitude you will get way more BS in life.
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You have "enough BS in life" so you think you should have special treatment when you break fundamental rules?
Hell yeah!
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That's not the problem, the problem is you not activating the games you won. But I guess you're just trolling at this point.
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What is the big deal - just devalue the game and let it go to people who want it. Why are there so many people who want to ban regifting? Who does it hurt?
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Its against the rules , and destroys the whole point of the giveaway .
If you enter for stuff , just so you give it away again ... why enter in the first place ?
I agree on the part to let people who actually want the game try their luck , i enter almost only for wishlist stuff ...
But there are tons and tons of hoarders who win games that i would die to play , and just keep them as an extra number in their 2k+ games library .
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I have posted a few comments saying no regifting allowed. Trying to make the gifters aware so they can withdraw the giveaway and redeem the game and avoid a ban / suspension if they were not aware of the rules.
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I recently reported a clear-cut case of regifting, and decided that I'm going to pause making giveaways until it's resolved. Now I see people saying their reports haven't been resolved in years so...it looks like it's gonna be a while (unless maybe I can come up with a better idea).
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There was a 2222 copy Faerie Solitaire giveaway? How do I search closed giveaways in SG2?
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Why trying to win a game you won't play anyway?
Possible answers below:
- It was my birthday so i happyclicked on anything.
- I just needed my Space Cat fix.
- I $imply can $mell opportunitie$ where other$ don't.
- My brother/sister broke all of my toys back then, so i'm getting back at society.
- I thought i could get away with it, that's what i do with my life for [5,10,15,20,30,40] years now.
- I simply don't give a F* about others, I'm a natural, one day i'll rule the world etc..
feel free to contribute to the list ;)
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- My brainless autojoin bot doesn't distinguish between games I want or don't want to play, but enters giveaways with best odds of winning.
- I didn't have enough toys as a child.
- My mouse has a life of its own.
- I do weird things when I don't get my morning coffee.
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Note to self:
Never comment again, you can only make enemies here apparently
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Weird, I have posted over 2k comments and I have never had any problems.
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Say you want a game because you weren't with the lucky 2222 people
=instahate
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Don't bother, he understands why I reported him. If not, he shouldn't be here at all.
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You have no fucking clue what you are talking about
Why would he bother doing that ? He would not get any CV since there are less than 5 entries. It's probably a private group with people who own most bundle games, so there are no many entries in the giveaways.
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I am dumb :(
idk I genuinely wanted to be part of this community but I guess it's not for me
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Respecting the rules will help you have a better time here
But I just noticed, some of the games you won appear in your recently played list, but not in the list with all your games. I'm not sure what is happening here. Did you just activate them today ?
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played through Family Sharing maybe?
(i'm honestly guessing here)
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Though regifting goes against the idea of steamgifts, simply banning the users is a time consuming activity, and if they are banned before the regifting is done then the users who actually want the game don't get to receive it (I'm still entering on every regift of ARK). What can be done is to take the incentive of regifting, in the same way they reduce the points given by bundled games, or simply taking off the game from the list of steamgifts (for games that were massively given, 200+ or something like that)
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If i got suspended for one game what i accidentally activate on my other account ,then i hope that regifters will get what they deserve ,if not then there is no justice and i will cri evri day ;_; :D
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While the moderators are neither omniscient nor omnipotent, we aren't in a coma, either. We do pay attention to what happens on this site and we do take action to improve things. We try to do this quietly and avoid drama so that you can "go about your business."
Some of the benefits of the way we currently address regifting are:
- Those entering giveaways are assumed to want the game for which they're trying until it is proven otherwise.
- The free flow of giveaways is not impeded, meaning games continue to be exchanged, fulfilling the purpose of the site.
- Games continue to find their way to those who truly want them.
- When the banhammer does fall, the punishment is effective. People either learn to follow the rules, or they never come back.
- All of the above happens without it getting in the way of those users who follow the rules.
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i read the potato "joke" in the poll and immediately disregard your entire post
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Well as some people will see there was a 2222 copies giveaway,
REGIFTERS INCOMINGGGGG YAYYY
As a great customer i actived the copy that i wun.
Now talking to mods,please,if you know that that is going to happend prevent it cause there are regifters and people report it but we shouldnt if you pay attention to giant giveaways.
Thanks?
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