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Anyone wants to buy my acc? :P

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I give you a 2-days old bag of french fries for it.

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great trade rep+

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I was lying, you actually betrayed the law

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McDonald's fries are fresh even after year!

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They're from Five Guys.

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I would really love to sell some games I regret buying ( shogun2 I hate you! ), would be nice that steam someday would let that happen :P

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Shogun 2 is the best RTS I ever played. You must hate the genre.

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Napoleon Total War and Medieval 2 are way better, imo

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Rome Total war is the best of the series

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steam will still try to ban you and be prepared to battle in court

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better get my lawyer then!

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I think he meant battle as a real fight.

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Oh look! There is already such a thread! :O

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wow that was fast... at least some people who missed that thread got some info here :$

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Yeah, it's a really good news.
Also Sony and MS now couldn't block "second hand" games market.

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So thats the reason why the Summer Sale is cancelled :P

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xD

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It does not say they should allow you to sell free account which you got under agreement that you will not sell it, just that they should not stop you if you try to sell used games.

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to me it means i can sell my drm free games...
that doesn't exactly allow me to sell my steam account, once the drm terms may still rule.

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I'm confused. Does this mean you can sell your whole Steam account, Battle.net acc., Origin acc. etc? If so, this court rule is no biggy in my eyes.

Or does it mean that Valve, Blizz, EA and others now have to offer some way of selling license to any game that is tied to your account, so somebody can buy it from you and transfer it to his account? This scenario is unreal in my eyes, those big companies will find some way around.

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just hope to the 'way around' dont be... "ok.. now we will sell games for 4x the price on europe, cannot activate games bough abroad... and then we will let you sell the games after you play, but you will have to pay a tax of 50% of the value to steam"

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I think they will not force you to "pay a tax of 50% of the value to steam". In this case they ruin their own business. People will use retail copies and sell it through e-bay. But prices may raise, of course.

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I was thinking something like "let's call our licences 'game allower' from now on, and that new bill can suck our d*cks hehe"

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Let's see: Steam bans you account and you do what?
Sue them? Good luck, they don't have an address for service in the EU.

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They're selling in EU, they're liable. EU customers are protected by EU law.

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Unless the Steam sales servers are in the EU they can ignore any ruling as it can't be enforced. Also, Steam's EULA doesn't grant you unlimited use (the Oracle EULA did), it reads more like a rental agreement.

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It's not about the phisical location. If Steam operates in te EU and sells to EU citizens, it's bound by EU consumer laws. Thing is, contracts<laws, and EULAs, SSAs and TOSes haven't really been fieldtested.

This ruling seems to hint at a whole lot of stuff, but it pretty much depends on what the industry does to react, and whether the courts let whatever they do fly. The 'something' being anything from 'earthshattering ka-boom' to 'absolutely nothing'.

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Nope, you cannot sell the account. You should be able to sell games you already activated though.

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Great, now we'll see more games with more restrictive DRM because of this.

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It's not how the EU law system works. Court of Justice of EU doesn't "make" new laws, it's de lege ferenda sentence. Please read more about it.

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Making such law that you can resell your digital game copies is not such a good idea as somebody can think.

Just imagine:
Now John, Andrew and Alice can buy a game for 10$, but they cant resell it... so Company earns 10$ + 10$ + 10$ = 30$ on all of them.

If they are able to resell it, John will buy one copy than resell it to Andrew, than Andrew will resell it to Alice. And Company will earn only on the first one of them!!!! But who wants to lose their profit? They will just raise game price to 30$ to earn the same amount of money.

:P

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It's not bad. First - people will spent less money, cause now they just buy a lot of games, cause it's CHEAP!!!
Second - can i resell my BLU-RAY or DVD after watching it? Why i can't do it with games? Do you have any reasons? (Of course except "cause publisher able to force you").

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That was the whole used game argument from the start- companies are already trying to kill this on consoles.. but yet the price is still the same. (because they still need to move new games)

Oh, but AAA PC games now cost as much as console games without the licensing fees and all that.

What I'm getting at: Publishers of popular games are spending extraordinary amounts of money on advertising and other gimmicks to try to hook a multi million dollar game. When they fail, they pass the cost onto the consumer and complain about used game sales and piracy.

There's only so much they can pass onto the consumer before the game just gets pirated or people don't play it.

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Driver San Franciso cough
EA fucked with the customers. They got bitchslapped in the face.

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So you would buy a new car for 3000€ instead of a "old" car for 15000€? If your urge to "support" a company is so damn strong. Do it. But not all people have that much money.

ALSO!! Look around in your room... You can basically resell EVERYTHING. Everything Physical. Your Dekstop, your shelf, your oven, your used pants, things that have a "digital" value are the only exceptions.

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there are pieces of software that you can legally sell after electronic activation of the licence on your account; the very digital licence management system of the software has a functionality to transfer the licence to another account

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a bag of chips and a half bitten twinky. Whaddayasay?

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I would be ok with that...

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The problem is that Steam sells you a subscription to the game, not a copy of the game. This new law applies to things like Gamersgate and Amazon, if I understand correctly.

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This this this. It seems like you're buying (a licence for) the game because you only pay a one off fee, but it was actually a single payment lifetime subscription to the game as a service. You don't own a licence to be able to sell.

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And what about all those retail games that have steamworks? They aren't digital, but nobody can resale them anyway...

And some lawyer should take a look and decide if what Steam does is selling or not - because it doesn't matter how it's called, if it fits legal definition of sale then it is sale.

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Well, to quote the article:

“Where the copyright holder makes available to his customer a copy – tangible or intangible – and at the same time concludes, in return form payment of a fee, a license agreement granting the customer the right to use that copy for an unlimited period, that right-holder sells the copy to the customer and thus exhausts his exclusive distribution right. Such a transaction involves a transfer of the right of ownership of the copy. Therefore, even if the license prohibits a further transfer, the right-holder can no longer oppose the resale of that copy.”

Steam doesn't sell us the right to play games indefinitely. Steam is a "rental games manager", and is required for us to access our libraries. So we're basically buying the right to download and play a game through the Steam client, for as long as we want, on as many computers as we want, but only as long as the Steam client is running and able to connect to the Steam servers. If Steam shuts down, our license gets terminated.

If I remember correctly, someone at Valve said that if Steam were to ever shut down, they would release a patch that allows users to freely play the games they have downloaded. If that happens, those downloaded games would become tradable according to this law. As it is now, we really do need a lawyer to figure out whether the law covers Steam games.

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I'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK limited period licence would be for example some antivirus software which sells one-year-licence, and after that you have to buy next year licence or their product won't work.

Steam doesn't limit time how long you can play your games - as long as they exist, you will be able to play what you bought, and that SHOULD (but I'm not a lawyer to say IS) definition of an unlimited period.

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Exactly. They don't put a time limit, therefore we should be able to sell our games.
But while this might look really nice at first, it would ruin the digital distribution system. Imagine someone buying games on a big sale (like 75% off) then selling them after the sale. You bet your ass there would be no more summer/winter/whatever sales.
So, while it looks like something really awesome at first, it might change the way steam (and origin, gog, gmg, etc etc) works for worst.

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Go to steamtrades and notice bazylions of people selling or offering games from sales there, so that argument doesn't really have power.

Maybe I just give PC gamers a little too much credit, but I believe we don't buy games because some pop-star told us, some shop told us "this is best game ever" or we were bored so we throw our money in a screen, but because we actually think about what we buy and we invest in things we want for years. At least that's how I buy me games (besides bundles, where it's usually one, two games I want).

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Ha! In your fa... wait what? Why, on earth, would I sell my account to anyone?

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Who on earth would buy your account anyway, that's the question you should ask yourself.

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you sell your account and you have a private steam profile... ¬¬

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You can to sell digital copy of the game, but you can't to sell account...

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How do you sell the digital copy of the game then?

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Valve would have to add an option to remove the game from your account and then it would be added to your inventory or something like that. I guess they would have to add an option to sell the game too. That would be... interesting, to say the least.

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I'll sell mine fot 1/3 of what it is valued Steam calculator, so around a 1000$. Now that would make sellers rich.

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They wont give you that, they usually give you 1/5 of your account worth if you are VERY lucky.

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You're not allowed to sell a Steam account as you have agreed with the SSA.

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If you give your details to someone else and if Steam suspects it they have the full right to close the account. Therefor if you don't go by the SSA you get your account terminated

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Just like they wrote in that linked article, "even if you agree to one of those pesky End User License Agreements, you are still legally able to resell your digital rights to a game. At least, that is, in the European Union."

This would be funny case, if someone would sell their account and Steam would ban it, and then buyer would take receipt (as a proof of sale) and go to court to fight to unban him, since he just bought large number of used licences...

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I'll give you half a Fortix

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