ARGH I HATE VEGANS! EATING NOTHING BUT MEAT MAKES ME OVERLY AGGRESSIVE!
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I was reading that a plant-based diet is incredibly healthy. For those not in the know, a plant-based diet is basically veganism, but with science as the foundation as opposed to ideology. I'd love to switch over, but I think it would be too difficult.
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Actually according to my professors, the most healthy diet is eating a little bit of everything.
For example Vit B12 exist only in "animals"- meat, fish and eggs; as such if you are a "pure" vegan you will deplete the reserves of this vitamin which will have consequences on your CNS.
On the other hand, having a diet you don't like might make you so miserable more prone to psychiatric disease; tso might not gain anything from the healthy diet you are making.
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Be aware, vitamin b12 deficiency is not a problem for any sole group or followers of any particular diet.
Being a Pure vegan does not equate to not being able to take in b12 supplements since no harm comes from it..
On a side note, do those professors also explain to you where most of the b12 in the animals come from? you guessed it, supplements!
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Yeap, anyone can be! And for me, this is not that hard, since I never liked meat. But I didn't get your point lol.
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It was only meant as a humorous reference to a Scott Pilgrim sequence, I wanted to link to a video but could find none in the short amount of time I had available containing that specific line.
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in that case you should become vegan, since it takes more vegetables to feed a cow to make a steak then to just feed yourself xD
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See, comments like this one make ppl h8 on vegans :)
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See, comments like this one make ppl h8 on vegans :)
Comments do not make people hate people, people choose what they do themselves like how this person tried to troll,and i trolled back.
So if a Vegan doesn't let someone troll him people will h8 him/her? what a swell person you must be!
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Holy fucking shit ...
Browsing trough the topic , you keep pushing your way of thinking that vegans are right and w/e the hell normal ppl are calld are in the wrong.
That way of thinking and such behavior makes ppl h8 on vegans .
I give close to no shit what you eat , but i h8 it when ppl start trying to convert ppl in the same way of thinking they do .
Like srsly do you really think anyone care about what you eat ?
that was bound to be a trash drama topic , and you knew it far to well when you crated it .
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nope, replying to a troll does not equal pushing, you are pushing though pushing Hard, to try and make people think normal people and vegans arent the same thing, We are all normal people, but you are not, you are just another troll.
the end
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I'm not really a troll , i just think you are braindead tho .
If someone is being a troll thats you tbh .
Anyway done wasting my time with you , have a nice day .
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We should form "People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants"!
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i agree! #Plantlivesmatter
save a plant eat some meat.
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Most crops harvested are destined to feed cattle so you actually are "killing" a whole lot more plants eating meat.
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well i guess every cow i eat will help cut down on how much corn it eats in its lifetime:)
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But if you consume it you are creating offer and they rape more cows for giving to you (the one who demands) their babies' flesh?
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oh now were talking veil that is like the best meat ever!
To be honest i could care less what anyone other then myself eats im just here for the show but if eating only veggies makes a person happy more power to you it leaves more meat for me:)
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Actually I used to eat a lot of meat... So unless you are covering all that meat I'm not eating, you don't have more meat for you lel
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Only if you can demonstrate you were hospitalized for rhabdomyolysis following your WOD.
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I'm a German vegan atheist engineer who does crossfit and I have a boyfriend.
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Do you listen to progressive/pop/folklore indie music? I bet you like bands we never heard of.
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Vegans are MORONS. Good luck with your imminent vitamin B12 deficiency and the subsequent anemia it brings.
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im sorry, been vegan for about 3 years, vegetarian some years before that, i get regular check ups on my vitamins and such, and i have no deficiency, so sorry man!
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Yeah...when you get a med school degree after 6 years of college, then you can argue with me. it's a well known fact that vitamin B12 can ONLY be found in animal products. The fact that you had a huge reserve that lasted until now, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Also doesn't mean that being vegan is any less stupid.
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Many vitamins and supplements are derived,extracted from animal meat and byproducts,if a person is taking a multi vitamin not made specifically for a vegan (and even possibly then)chances are they are still eating meat products might as well enjoy them on the grill instead of in pill form:)
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Most B12 supplements contain cyanocobalamin, rather than cobalamin. The former is something that can be produced synthetically, the later is what you get when you eat meat. There are other forms of synthetically produced B12 that can be used instead, but to my knowledge, the main reason to use those is if you're really afraid of the cyano-bit in cyanocobalamin (and then you should probably avoid nuts as well ;) )
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when you get a med school degree after 6 years of college, then you can argue with me.
I kinda want to call bullshit on this. I suspect that you don't have any higher degree related to medicine.
Cyanocobalamin works well as a substitute to cobalamin, and the former is something that is very easy for vegans to get hold of through different fortified products.
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Suspect all you want. I couldn't care less. I just told you how it is.
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You "told us how it is", and then you showed a complete lack of understanding on the topic. Cyanocobalamin is not something that you get from animal products, and it's a type of B12. In fact, it's the most common type of B12 you see in most B12-fortified food and supplements, making it easy for vegans to get enough B12, if they know what to look for.
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Ok, smart-ass, if you're so caught-up on the subject, how about you tell me where is the cobalamine absorbed in the human body, what substance is needed for the process and why do people that have suffered stomach resections due to gastric cancer aren't able to properly absorb it and require parenteral doses? Cyanocobalamine is an lame excuse that doctors that support this crazy, stupid diet have come up with. Similar to those bogus studies that "prove" that vaccines cause autism =)) And before you come up with more bullshit.. keep in mind that I never said it doesn't exist, just that there's NO WAY it can replace normal doses of cobalamine that you get from a PROPER and BALANCED diet. proper. Just like you can't get enough folic acid from animal products. And no, veganism is neither proper, nor balanced, cause those two terms mean a LITTLE BIT of EVERYTHING. Variety is the name of the game...
If people could grow up only on a vegan diet, then baby milk formulas like Althera, would not be necessary for infants with allergy to cow milk proteins.
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how about you tell me where is the cobalamine absorbed in the human body,
Initial absorption is in the gut, more specifically in the final part of the small intestine.what substance is needed for the process
GIF is needed, which is a form of protein.
Cyanocobalamine is an lame excuse that doctors that support this crazy, stupid diet have come up with. Similar to those bogus studies that "prove" that vaccines cause autism
I have an easy time finding studies that point at the positive effects of cyanocobalamine for people with a dietary B12 deficiency, and the use of it as a replacement. If this is bogus, then there are a lot of scientists in on the "joke", getting getting their work into databases that does proper peer reviews, like science direct (using that as an example, as that's one of the databases that I have access to). This is very much unlike the "proof" that vaccines causes cancer, which was based on the work of a single person, who falsified his studies and who has since lost his position due to this.
Both cobalamine and cyanocobalamine gets converted into methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin after being absorbed by the body. This is then what the body uses. As both cobalamine and cyanocobalamine becomes the same thing (the cyano-bit gets removed and goes out with the rest of your waste), one would assume that they will have the same effect on the body. After all, chemically identical substances behave the same way, the source does not matter.
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Oooh, someone googled some things. I feel so humbled now. Anti-vaxers also have THOUSANDS of of pages of studies to cite in order to defend their "ideas". Thy're not true either.
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in my opinion you both shouldn't be fighting over a choice of living that not many people make (i guess o.O), i mean even if is not healthy there are people that choose to not eat what they dont like (or just dont wanna eat for personal reasons) which can be compared with being a smoker or an alcoholic, it's not healthy but who cares? it makes you feel warm inside (except of course the part about smoking and drinking being adicting and ending up by not being a choice of living after all... except again if some drugs are included in vegetarian meals which i highly doubt...)
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Anti-vaxers also have THOUSANDS of of pages of studies to cite in order to defend their "ideas". Thy're not true either.
Anti-vaxers don't have thousands of pages of studies in any reputable, peer reviewed, database. They had one "study" on it. It has been removed, because it came to light that the numbers were falsified.
Oooh, someone googled some things
There's a difference between googling something, and searching for something in a reputable scientific database. If you had actually gone through med-school, or had any other scientific education, you would know this.
Also, there's this part:
As both cobalamine and cyanocobalamine becomes the same thing (the cyano-bit gets removed and goes out with the rest of your waste), one would assume that they will have the same effect on the body. After all, chemically identical substances behave the same way, the source does not matter.
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I think I just lost a few thousand brain cells after reading that...
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blablabla, I'm an MD I know everything. I thought only here MDs were assholes. It seems I was wrong. You have to read again then, since you obviously are ignorant.
Ps.- I'm a Vegan MD :D
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That actually makes it worse. You should know better, yet you don't. That makes you a disgrace to this profession. Just like those imbeciles that go around telling people not to vaccinate their children. They should lose their right to practice medicine FOREVER
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What has to do the antivaccination movement with vegans and being arrogant?. Anyway, I read your other comments and you just demonstrate a) you are trolling, or b) you are not a serious enough to make those statements.
In both cases, it doesn't make sense to continue this conversation : (, since I believe I fed you enough.
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Ugh..ok... so? There are tons more nutrients that you miss out on when having such a restrictive diet. I can understand not eating meat, but no dairy and eggs is just plain stupid. If humans were meant to be herbivores, we wouldn't have sharp canine teeth.
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OH GOD albodacious YOU'LL DIE SOON :-(
Hahaha, thats what they still teaching them, because it's a billion dollar business...
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Been vegan for more than 30 years, alive and well.
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you aren't vegan for time enough to deplete your B12 reserves. According to my professors it takes around 4-6 years to deplete reserves.
And if don't "control" your diet in many developed countries vegan food is enriched with B12 so it might take even more to deplete the reserves.
Just keep going to the doctor and control your vit B12 levels. Do be carefull with this since Vit B12 is needed to keep the CNS working.
When i took my nutrition classes i saw too many people broken because of this, especially women at around 30-40. It was really sad for me seeing people self-destruct like that.
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Hey man, I think you have gotten it all wrong. B12 it's originated in soil, herbivores when they graze they get B12 and you get it from them if you eat meat. Since these babies are factory farmed and they don't graze anymore you're not getting much of it either, you can see the reports of the USDA, for example. I do have my degrees and studies finished and my vegan colleagues as well.
Taking B12 supplements or enriched B12 foods is important? I won't say it's not. Do you need to eat meat and B12 is produced in these animals bodies? NOPE.
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I don't think he realizes that the majority of manmade B12 is currently fed to livestock, and that B12 in general is becoming a problem for omnis, as well; which is why dairy, cereals and other common foods are so often fortified nowadays. Not to mention the various studies that have been coming out in recent years about teas, algae and fermented food possibly being a viable veg B12 source in the future. Which only marginally matters anyway because - supplements.
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Hey, did you know I'm vegan?
Did you know?!
DID YOU ?!!!!
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I was a vegan for four years, but not on principle - I was dating one and got used to eating that way.
But I missed my steaks, cheeseburgers, and most of all ... bacon and eggs, way too much. :)
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It's the power of living with someone and respecting their wishes. ;)
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Well then, the problem is that person did not respect YOUR wishes. Why did you have to eat that way but that person couldn't respect your choice to eat meat?
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That's what I always wonder, too. I know a chick who's one of those militant vegans, and she would never ever date a guy who wasn't a vegan. Her current boyfriend and all her exes have had their testes in her purse in that matter, as long as they dated.
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Well then, the problem is that person did not respect YOUR wishes.
I made a choice. She didn't ask or expect me to do anything. I didn't have to eat that way, I chose to do so.
EDIT: and honestly, I'm glad I made that choice. It was very educational and I eat a lot healthier since then. I'm also in the best shape of my life, partially thanks to the change in eating habits.
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"I'm glad I made that choice. It was very educational and I eat a lot healthier since then."
"But I missed my steaks, cheeseburgers, and most of all ... bacon and eggs, way too much. :)"
Do your girlfriend hates predators for eating other animals? We are born to eat meat and vegetables. Being a vegan or vegetarian won't make this world any better. I feel sorry for all of you, vegans / vegetarians. You rejected so many delicious meals. :D
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You should read before commenting. Really, you could have saved yourself a lot of time.
- I was a vegan many years ago, for four years.
- I am no longer with that girl, and haven't been for many years.
- I was born to eat whatever I like.
- I wasn't a vegan to make the world "better". Again, read before commenting. I said why I was vegan back then.
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Well, we have different opinions aaaand what Captain said.
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Pussy certainly wasn't (and still isn't) a problem for me, so that most certainly wasn't the deciding factor, despite what you seem to think. ;)
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But you chose to do so because of her, so in the end it's what i said in the first place : pussy has POWEEEEEEEEEEER!
Hahaha, sorry for busting your balls m8 :-D
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all these replies smell like jealously for some reason, since you are getting a lot of them only for mentioning this:
I was dating one and got used to eating that way.
:3
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I'm a Vogon.
Do you want to hear some of my poetry?
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yesh anything better then random h8 posts, seems people dont want gifts, wanted to gib plants vs zombies, but seems the zombies won already!
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Obligatory
Also, I don't hate you or anything, it's just the bandwagon effect (also I find it hilarious).
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well if you eat deer, it ate the grass it pooped on so..
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I lasted 12 seconds before I cringed myself to orbit.
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This is a serious thought, hope you dont take this as a joke
I have always wondered what vegan do when they want to make oral sex each other, i mean they dont put any kind of meat on its mouth, right??
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where art thou O vegans?
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