Original Thread, PC Gamer.com
another one, Europa.eu

Valve is being investigated by the European Commission over 'suspected anti-competitive practices'

By Joe Donnelly

The commission is also investigating five publishers regarding geo-blocking.

The European Commission has today opened three investigations into practices where it believes companies are trying to prevent customers from benefiting from cross-border purchases. Alongside consumer electronics and hotel accommodation, videogames are being looked into—the commission is specifically investigating whether or not companies are "breaking EU competition rules by unfairly restricting retail prices or by excluding customers from certain offers because of their nationality or location."

A press release issued by the European Commission suggests that while a number of regulatory barriers have scope to hinder cross-border sales, the investigation aims to target retailers who accentuate said barriers themselves. The Commission suggests that certain companies may do so in order to "fragment the EU's Single Market along national borders" which in turn prevents competition. The investigation hopes to tackle retail price restrictions, discrimination on the basis of location and geo-blocking.

"Under certain circumstances, these practices may make cross-border shopping or online shopping in general more difficult and ultimately harm consumers by preventing them from benefiting from greater choice and lower prices in e-commerce," reads the press release. "Such behaviour may breach EU competition rules that prohibit anti-competitive agreements between companies (Article 101 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union—TFEU)."

Valve, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Focus Home, Koch Media and ZeniMax are the six games-related companies that have been singled out for scrutiny.

The press release can be read in full this way, however the following excerpt refers directly to videogames within the context of the investigation:

"The Commission is investigating bilateral agreements concluded between Valve Corporation, owner of the Steam game distribution platform, and five PC video game publishers, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Focus Home, Koch Media and ZeniMax. The investigation concerns geo-blocking practices, where companies prevent consumers from purchasing digital content, in this case PC video games, because of the consumer's location or country of residence.

"After the purchase of certain PC video games users need to confirm that their copy of the game is not pirated to be able to play it. This is done with an "activation key" on Valve's game distribution platform, Steam. This system is applied for a wide range of games, including sports, simulation and action games.

"The investigation focuses on whether the agreements in question require or have required the use of activation keys for the purpose of geo-blocking. In particular, an "activation key" can grant access to a purchased game only to consumers in a particular EU Member State (for example the Czech Republic or Poland). This may amount to a breach of EU competition rules by reducing cross-border competition as a result of restricting so-called 'parallel trade' within the Single Market and preventing consumers from buying cheaper games that may be available in other Member States.

"The Commission is carrying out this in-depth investigation on its own initiative."

It's my understanding that if Valve et al fall foul of the European Commission's rules, players will be legally allowed to buy games from other EU countries' online stores at lesser prices.

-finally

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geo blocking is over?

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god dammit, i searched and found nothing....meh, thanks for the heads up

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There is a posibility that steam games on those countries will rise prices to match the gross of the EU

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it also states that there shouldnt be a problem to buy from sites that sells it cheaper....it doesnt have to be an EU site, like the russian ones (plati), where i buy regulary.
so its not possible to restrict by geo blocking....its against the EU law for several years

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^this
for germany, france and all there will be no change because they are the bigger market. Publishers will not go down with the prices for them so they will raise prices in eastern europe.

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all these years: it's since feb. last year.
and there were more than one games with different prices in eu2

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*were

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okay :)

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They region discount applied to Valve games, and I 100% believe that it was Croteam's games that were definitely cheaper - them being Croatians and understanding the financial differences. But it was a severely underused system anyways, barely anyone cared about the possibility of different pricing. (Also Bad Rats actually cost more in eastern EU :D )

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it clearly says, to buy at other sources either, which refers to CIS States...where prices are 1/6 of the eu price, that is hell of a lot cheaper.
i am buying rus games for a long time, and valve cant do shit due to eu competition law. now it hopefully gets official
or is any COD title for example worth 60 €, if you can buy it for 12 $ on any ru site. and yes they also support english language

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no but it exceeds the possibility to get the goods from other countries, without restrictions like valve used, like geo blocking.
therefore they need to disable the vpn restriction.
think outside the box...and realize

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If I read correctly they talk about KEY resellers, and this is not steam only. I think thay have seen those web pages with much lower prices and they think they are pricing differently depending on EU region, but those keys came from bundle sites, stolen credit cards and the like actually.
So we'll see if this investigation really finds proof of the agreements between those companies or not.
I think they are aiming in the wrong direction if ultimate goal is to go against resellers because they have no agreement with noone, they are just parasites of the system.

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Sure but appart from pricing what other motivations companies have to lock their games? I know Germany and other countries have some kind of censorship, but this can be handled in other ways.

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a good news for gamers

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I don't think that this is good for EU2 region people because they will soon have to pay prices from EU1.

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Isn't this already happening since a while ago though ?

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ah yeah, just saw it

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EU2 is gone since a year or such

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ah yeah, just saw it

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not even from EU
should i care?

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Nope. Valve might change some things for europe, but I doubt it will be changed for the rest of the world.

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It's my understanding that if Valve et al fall foul of the European Commission's rules, players will be legally allowed to buy games from other EU countries' online stores at lesser prices.

Or they'll just shit on the cheaper prices and raise them to the "normal" level

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I have 1600 games on Steam, none were bought direct from Steam. G2A purchase for 1100 of them and never had a problem. If Steam raise any prices it won't affect me, I simply refuse to buy from there.

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+1 this! use Kinguin or G2A, choose experienced sellers, prices are always lower than during any of Steam sales,

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They are not, but people are generally too lazy to get their games cheap by looking at stores or setting up IsThereAnyDeal alerts. Neither sites ever sold any product cheaper than the possible best global price. They cannot, as they are unauthorised unofficial resellers; the only way to go below official prices would be getting the keys free through any means.

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I have looked, and it's indeed quite rare for G2A to have the best prices, if you're willing to wait for a sale.
If you must buy a particular game today, however, G2A is usually cheaper than full retail.

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just as an example: Rocket League, I can get it for 9.75$ - lowest ever on Steam around 12$

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thats bullshit, there are a lot of russian sellers on that site, where indeed the prices are much lower

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the STEAM TERMS dont affect EU citizens (in this case), for years already....is it that hard to understand, thats why they investigate the GEO BLOCKING....and thats also not the first time
fucks sake

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i had this discussion that often, that it makes me tired.
it also applies to the global market and their restrcitions are not valid at all, in the EU
you should get your facts right

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the STEAM TERMS dont affect EU citizens

What makes you think that? The Steam ToS applies to ALL their users. Some stuff may be different for the EU, but the rest still applies (including VPN being not allowed)...

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The 1600 odd games I have bought from G2A where a hell of alot cheaper than steam. For example. The raven Legacy of a master thief on Steam is £20.99... On G2A you can get it for £1.08. Well over 90 percent of games on G2A are much cheaper, I would never use Steam to purchase from. I have never bought the g2a protection on any game, so the small price you see is what you pay. Steam is a massive rip off and you would have to be thick to pay their silly prices.

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GBP 1.08 sounds a bit suspiciously low; that game was sold 2 dollars for quite a while though last summer.

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Its perfectly normal, that is what you find on G2A, Games are just much cheaper. Bought The raven legacy of a master thief about 4 months back myself for that price and its still that price. If you look, you will find lots of games with that much of a discount. G2A is fantastic.

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No, you don't understand: G2A sellers are people like you and me: individuals who get the key somehow and sell it on a flea market. G2A also takes a hefty amount of that money for themselves. If you get something for one quid, it means roughly half of it goes to G2A, half to the seller.
Now, think a bit: if you have a key that the lowest recorded price the seller could have gotten was about 1.60 pounds, and he sells it in a transaction that will earn him about 50-60 pence, what does that tell us? That either he is a complete moron or he got the key for essentially free somewhere, somehow.

(So,most likely, we need to look for someone here on SteamGifts with an unactivated Raven win.)

Unless it is the Digital Deluxe edition. In that case, the key was sold in a 10-game bundle for a dollar on Humble, so it cost 10 cents, or about 7-8 pennies. In which case, congrats, you just bought it for ~1000% more than he did. :D

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The only thing that matters to me is how much I pay, all I know is G2A is dirt Cheap and my 1600+ games from there have all worked fine. Never had a problem and I refuse to pay the silly prices on Steam. I couldn't care less about all the other stuff. I buy AAA titles from there all the time on release and they are even much cheaper, G2A is superb.

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EU2 hasn't existed for over a year and it was never region locked anyway. This refers to locks such as German, Poland, RU/CIS (as the Baltic states are in the EU, but categorised as being CIS for some reason).

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The difference is barely noticeable. Tell me that I can buy in Ru/CIS and then I'll be happy !

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i use plati for almost 3 years now, never had a problem

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But where do you live ? Don't you have to use a VPN to play ?

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germany, the only game i remember that used a active vpn connection, to be able to play, was skyrim and southpark.
others just needed a rus ip to activate the game, nothing else.

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so it will be 60$ for everyone....thats mean poorer countries will be back for pirating because it will either be video games or eating and housing
the publishers will never lower the prices for everyone, they will make them the same price as in the first world countries

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just think for ONE minute before you reply.
you cant even do that, the monthly average per Person in russia is at 400$, for example...

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and?...Russia is not part of the EU
if the decision will come to pass then it will apply only to the EU member countries and also the publishers will not lower prices for the wealthy countries

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What can't be done? Raising prices? Believe me, they can and will do that...

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EU pressure was rumoured to be one of the key drivers in Valve's decision to introduce refunds.

Will be interesting to see how this one pans out.

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Nothing new. All countries of Eastern Europe always have the same price as Western Europe (with a few exceptions). So 40 EUR or 50 EUR price is still unacceptable. Today many games costs 60 EUR, comparing to salary new game bought from Steam costs me 260 EUR (or USD or GBP for you). Question: do you pay 260 for new standard version digital game?
Box version. Yes in Eastern Europe box version costs a little cheaper. But again comparing to salary new box game cost me between 80 - 230 EUR/USD/GBP. Good? Lower than Steam 260 but still this is not 50-60 EUR for you. And this box version contain region lock and even language lock (f. Bethesda and Cenega). So if I want my native language I have "choice": box version or Steam, I can't buy digital version from Amazon, GamersGate, etc.
More. "Thanks" to EU games prices in my country soon will be even higher because EU wants everyone to buy where they wish eg. player from Germany can buy games from Czech shop. Conclusion: no more lower prices, all will be same but we don't have same salary.

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