Next, you're gonna tell us you've never masturbated.
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Well... it's unlikely because most people assume pirating is only for games.
Note that pirating means: Downloading free movies, downloading free music, downloading free books, Etc. Etc. In fact most avatar pictures are taken without the consent of the person who put it up in the first place. For all we know half of all pictures are probably licensed on the internet, but who cares? We'll still use them anyways.
There are many different forms of pirating, I know a guy who refuses to pirate games. Yet he accepts that downloading free music isn't pirating.
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I don't do movies or music either, and my avatar is one of the Steam pre-defined ones. I still buy CDs (I don't do the iTunes or other Online services,) I like Physical media better. Mind you, other than The FuMP (Free comedy music site), and Weird Al (I have all his CDs [other than Best ofs], even a couple signed ones), I mostly listen to Classical music, which I have picked up on records from Thrift stores. I would have to say that I do envy the fact that people who pirate movies don't have to sit though all those stupid unskippable warning screens, and have to fast forward though since it often doesn't let you skip the through 20 minutes of ads, before starting their movie.
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eh... I don't pirate movies because I don't watch movies. I do download music digitally, but it's all free anyways (NND).
Only thing that is really considered illegal for me would be downloading video games for free. I don't do it as often as I used to though... not really a point since I can buy games now.
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I don't find it hard to believe, I've never pirated either. I have enough of a legal backlog without needed to add padding to it. Stupid BC60GB PS3 YLOD.... need to stop buying games for you...until I get the new ribbed for her pleasure PS3 version...
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A lot of games, (skyrim, Fallout new vegas, etc...) and I always seem to buy it after a few days. Except the ones that bore me, obviously...
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You say that but quite a lot of people who are active on this site have already admitted to doing it. We're not trying to atone for pirating, but it's good to know that we actually do buy games that we pirate and just don't herpderp pirate life!
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@nosef
Steamgifts is on the "green list" on steams official forum and should atleast try to avoid having a bunch of pirates discuss here! thats my opinion just because you bought it afterwards does not mean you are not criminal!
@Lezz
Serious.. Well if being against criminal acts are serious than yes I am very serious! there is no reason to debate this stuff on Steamgifts forum and it should pose a ban im0
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Eh it's all good, people have different opinions on pirating. Honestly you just shouldn't pirate BIG THINGS like hit movies and whatnot, you're guaranteed to get sued.
Most indie companies don't really mind that we pirate, they just ask that we buy the game eventually. That is to say I do know of quite a bit of people who will pirate > buying legit.
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@nosef
Thats not true!! alot of indie devs struggle because people pirate !! its killing alot of them off! so thats a shit arguement!! the fact still remains! pirating is a criminal act!
Keep advertising and telling about your piraticy exploits on forums! thats all I ask,.
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Behaving like a kid is people saying Pirating is ok and that is ok to pirate small indie games nonetheless!
I find it pretty sad that people openly discuss how many games they pirated on a steam greenlighted forum! but again its all about opinion.. some people don't care about laws and think stealing in general is ok (thats what pirating is no matter what you say)
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You make it sound as though it's a game that we pirate >.>, we don't glorify it. We're just having a discussion lmao. Well... from my point of view people who actually have a motive to pirate are kids or teens. They don't have money and they want to play games (even though they're annoying to play against online).
That being said when you get a little older you start to think differently. I understand that pirating isn't justified. If a person admits to killing another person the guy will still get jail time regardless.
You just make it sound as though we actually enjoy telling each other what games we pirated.
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So its ok for Teens and kids to rob the bank or local store ?? thats pretty much what you are saying! if they don't have cash for it they need to find work or do stuff at home to get cash! its not ok to tell your kids that they can just pirate! you might aswell tell little jimmie to steal candy in the store aswell then... no wonder so many kids and teens nowaways wants all on a platter and complainst about they have to work to get stuff...
PS I had this opinion when I was a kid/teen aswell back in the late 80's early 90's I had to work hard to get my stuff!
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"the fact still remains! pirating is a criminal act!"
So is having non-missionary sex in the state of Virginia. Yet a lot of people seem to do so, anyways. This is not a black and white world. Just because something's against the law does not make it morally wrong. This thread is speaking mainly of trying a game before you buy it, to make sure if it's good or it works. Nobody wants to buy something and only find out after that it was shitty and overpriced, or just doesn't work on their system even though it technically met the minimum requirements. In a perfect world, every game would have a demo and every movie would be on Netflix. This isn't a perfect world. We do what we can. We test a game out and then delete it and proceed to buy it if it works. We have sex that isn't missionary while a cop car passes by outside. Floridians shower naked (also against the law). Grow up and stop dealing in absolutes.
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Sure its not black and white! but the fact is its a criminal act and its strictly against the User Agreement of Steam (do remember that steam green light Steamgifts) you want that to continue right ?? I just think that debating how much you pirated and what games etc is a bad thing to do on a site that makes people donate to poor souls that have to choice what to buy!
Why should I gift people here if people just pirate ?? see my point...
Other than that. please notice! I don't care if you pirate etc. I just don't think we should talk about it on SG forum!!!
To your non-missionary sex in virginia.. well americans have outdated and stupid laws in different states and I have seen people judged by some of them so well.. but a criminal act is a criminal act no matter its seriousness!!!
There is no reason to make people download indie games like some suggest!! its really a faulty thing to do..
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"To your non-missionary sex in virginia.. well americans have outdated and stupid laws in different states and I have seen people judged by some of them so well.. but a criminal act is a criminal act no matter its seriousness!!!"
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10/10 troll is successful.
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Also true, not everything is black and white(90% of things aren't I would say),many shades of gray :-)!
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"the fact still remains! pirating is a criminal act!"
I seriously hope you do not think legality = morality.
"Oh hey Supreme Court decided that making murder illegal is unconstitutional, well since murder is legal now it must be moral!"
You have a fucked up sense of morality if you actually believe that and you should get some help.
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Mrlmmoli just because your american mind have to make all a matter of Moral don't mean I do.. a law is a law its a term.. if its a criminal act its a criminal act.. its nothing to do with moral its just a fact.. deal with it.. if you pirated you did something illegal! its as simply as that..
Is it worse than stealing some candy in a store ?? is it worse than stealing cosmetics ?? "you may note that these are often less expenssive than a game" its a criminal act its stealing!!!
I remember the good old late 90's when a few people that was know to the "lan" community I was a part of got busted at a big lan party with 2 "notice" 2 pirated games!! they got fied 60000 euro's!! if you think that pirating is just something nobody do anything about you are mistaken.
That being said etc.. I don't give a shit about how many of you pirated or not and I am not giving my opinion about it other than saying its a criminal act (it is) my main goal here is to stop people from spamming Steam gifts forum about how many games they pirated!!
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Your first paragraph sounds exactly like when Christians tell me I'm going to Hell.
"its a criminal act its stealing!!!"
Okay, it's a crime. Then what? Everyone's aware it's a crime. Why don't you go tell smokers that smoking's bad for them while you're at it? 99% of the time, a person pirating something knows it's against the law, and it's not the issue. The issue is one of morality. You're waging an argument nobody else is arguing against. Nobody's stepping up to the plate to say, "Hey. Pirating is completely legal." They're stepping up to say, "Hey, pirating is okay in certain circumstances." You can continue to say morality has nothing to do with it because it's illegal and apparently you think that trumps everything, which is kind of a sickening thought. But you're not going to win hearts and minds, because no one cares.
And if you really don't care about whether people pirate anything, then stop arguing about it. You don't have to reply to everyone. If all you want to say is how we shouldn't talk about it, then say that. Don't accept every invite someone hands you for a debate. If you keep arguing about whether piracy is okay, then more people are going to want to join in - whether it's your intention to argue about it or not. In addition, continuing to reply here only bumps the thread and keeps it alive. If you want people to stop "spamming Steam gifts forum about how many games they pirated!!" then stop bumping it to the top of the pile, and it'll be forgotten in a day or two.
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Please take note: He didn't respond to your reply because it was absolutely on target. He is the reason this topic is still at the top of the forums and those who have admitted to piracy aren't going to be swayed. As for some of the points presented further down the page, I may not agree with the "Don't talk about piracy" rule, but I have to admit Darkie's probably only valid point is that Steam's support the operations of Steamgifts, Steamtrade, etc, may be swayed by this topic.
That being said, yes - 90% (if not more) topics are not black and white. Piracy is one of them. Remember until recently, piracy was not a major concern. The music, movie and gaming industry thrived for years without concerns - VHS and record tapes were recorded, copied, etc., without a major fuss from the media bigwigs. It wasn't until everyone decided to make things available for download that the issue of piracy blew up.
The gaming industry is drastically different than the media industry. The media industry is a passive industry. Watching a trailer or listening to a demo might be sufficient to find appreciation in a movie or album. Despite that, a lot of artists are making their music available via Youtube. When people share it, it increases exposure. An increase in exposure means your sales are likely to increase, even if they can hear it for free on Youtube. With the gaming industry, though, you have to get a feel for a game by playing it (the reason demos are so vital). For instance - if I would've known The Last Remanant had such wonky controls that weren't programmable (as I'm used to), I probably wouldn't have wanted it. It explains the controls for a controller, which I don't have.
Purchased digital product like games, music, movies, etc., don't typically have a return policy like you do with physical copies of the games. If the game doesn't work on your system, you're screwed. You likely paid full retail price for a game that you lost money on. There's a lot of misrepresentation going on in the promotion and advertising of games, and when you purchase a digital copy you're stuck with it. There's consumer protection when you purchase in retail stores, but that goes out the window when you purchase online.
What's the difference, besides the illegality of piracy? They take your hard-earned cash for something that's misrepresented and you lose money out of it. Or you pirate a digital copy and they don't lose money. If you like it you're likely to purchase it legally and spread the news about this fantastic game you found; if you like it and don't buy it, you wouldn't have purchased the game regardless, but you may tell some friends who don't share your same moral ambiguities. Has there ever been a study on how much a company loses off pirating? As in questions asked those that pirate games "Rate this game.; Do you intend to purchase this game?; Would you have purchased this game without having played it before?"
I'm not saying the companies aren't losing money. I'm just saying that it's a perceived loss. They see this person who didn't pay for their product and they're assuming that he would've paid for it if that was the only way to get it. There are a lot of amazing people that really understand the benefits of the digital age - sharing and all. And they understand that any non-paying consumer isn't a loss, others just perceive it as a loss. It's a way to gauge how well your product is and how accurately it's priced. If you have a good product, people will buy it. That's all it comes down to, no matter the media.
The whole digital purchases is heavily weighted against the consumer. It just so happens that we demand our rights via piracy. If you want things to be equal, you have to do things that aren't necessarily legal to get there.
That's another issue, though too. The whole concept is about piracy and not the rights of the digital consumer.
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I don't have anything to add to this, I just want to metaphorically shake your hand. This was easily the most well-thought-out, well-written point I have ever read on the subject of piracy, and I agree with everything you said. Thank you for this post.
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Only one thing I want to point out, for someone who seems to be in bed with the law, you'd think you'd know what piracy is.
"its a criminal act its stealing!!!"
No, it is not, look it up. The law states the act of obtaining or distributing a game/song/movie/book from the internet that one is not allowed to is copyright infringement. Legally piracy is copyright infringement. I hope you acknowledge that, if not then you'll look like a hypocrite, caring only about the law when it fits you and otherwise ignoring it for some worthless emotional appeal.
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Requesting a BAN for someone who admit to be a pirate, is extremism, not an opinion.. of course, he explain the why in some comments lower... what now, have a bit more sense (anyway, that rule of "do not talk about piacy" is stupid, we are on the internet, we are free at least of talk about what eve we want, god damn it)
anyway, the laws about copyrigth and piracy are one of the most debatable (probably that is not a word, sorry) thing of the last times.
and if you should pirating somethin are things from AAA studios and BIG thins, not indie ones...
yeah a couple of indie devs don't really care, because of that way they make noise, and probably get more sales.
the thing is, that is a "crime" is not the biggest of crimes, is not even the same as stoe a physical copy in a store.
in some countries is a problem of service (for example, microsft says "fuck you" when i try to buy Bulletstorm, because their shitty GFWL, so i can't buy it, even if i want to [and i try, when i see it on steam])
other problem are the BIG publishers who don't give a shit about certain regions almost no-advertising, no promotion of new games, etc,etc
also the prices of consoles and consoles games, are a fucking joke in my country, i have to pay 2 times more for a PS3 than in the rest of the world, same with games (paying full reatil price for OLD games)that migth be a problem with importaton, and my own people trying to rip me off, but still, sucks...
the other problem, the service (the ex UbiDRM, for example)
not everyone had an international credit card, so we have to pay with paypal, or overpriced re-sellers... would LOVE to see steam bouchers in this region, but no, that probably is not going to happen...
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Lezz sure its a matter of opinion.. its not extremist unless you call Steam forum, dev forums or most public forums extreme!! they all ban/suspend people that admit pirating and ask others if they did or will do it.. it has no place on a forum where the sites deals with gifting "legal" copies to people.. its common sense to stray of topics like these.
You make it sound like pirating is like crossing the road with red lights at night when there is no traffic! we are dealing with stealing here! like it or not, this is at the same level as shop liften IE.. but you think thats minor right ?? its ok and people should do that now and then ?? you really wanted to try out this new aftershave so you stole it home.. right ? thats should be ok if you just bought another one later... see my point..
On the pricing thing!! games are at the same level as they were in the 90's stop complaining about it!! if you can't afford it pick something else or save up for it!! you don't just steal 10 oranges in the local store just because you think they are to expenssive now do you ??
But lets end this discussion its clear that you guys think pirating is just soething you can do for fun and without any cost.. my opinion is still here and valid! there really should be no talk about pirating games on a site that deals with gifting legal copies!
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BULLSHIT, request a BAN for someone talking about a topic is extremism, and yes, i call extremism if that rule is implied in the steam forums, or dev forums, or fuck, any forum... is extremism, is STUPID... we are not sharing links here, what would yes break the rules, but talking about something!? what the fuck is wrong with you? common sense my ass, is extremism. we are in the INTERNET, not in the fucking loby of the anti-piracy agency, you are acting like the same IDIOTS who want to censor and control the whole internet...
yes, i pirated games, a lot of them, but now i don't, because now i can buy them, and someone actually wants to sell them to me, as i say in MY country (not in your european wonderland) we barely have an legal market for thes things, in the last 2-3 years, some stores are selling legal software, so, yes here, the price, and the abailability are important...
the prices are the same... IN YOUR COUNTRY, not in mine, get it?
and again, for fuck sake, piracy is not the smae, as stealing, yes, is wrong, no one here thinks is better than actually buy the real thing (well, yeah, some people, but they are never gonna buy a game, even if it is cheap and easy to get as an orange), but is a way to obtain goods that in other way they can't afford or simple get (like, for example restriction to importation, you know that exists in some countries?)...
is not the same as stealing an orange, you are not taking money away from a company, ther is no actual loose to a store if you pirate a game, but yes if you rob a fucking copy. Digital and phisical things, are not the same thing.
the piracy kill any studio? the piracy kill any dev?, the piracy kills microsoft!? the DRM works for preventing it? FUCKING HELL NO
companies (and the fucking societiy) need to look for new ways of figthing againt piracy, DRM fail horribly, and that is a fact, what do you want? to shot at people who pirated something? or better, make them feel fear? fear of being arrested? fear of being put in the same cage with assasins, narcos, and others awesome people?, hell yeah!, let kill a few pirates, they are gonna learn from it. (and yes, i'm being extremist rigth, now, catch the irony?)
anyway... i'm pissed rigth now
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Lezz
you say piracy is not stealing thats enough for me to just disgard you.. if you really think its not stealing why do anyone buy games?? why are we here on steamgifts... I reckon you will never understand and well thus I will just ignore you
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'why are we here on steamgifts?' what the fuck have that something related to piracy!? really, how the fuck you you connet those things?!
and why people buy gmaes and stuff? because the WANT, not because they HAVE TO, see? isn't that enough good or you?
basically, you are saying that, if piracy wasn't ilegal, you would do the same? rigth, because why bouth it if you can have it LEGALY for free (remember, this is an epothetical were piracy has NO legal consecquence), so yeah, everyone would piracing stuff... wrong
people buy things for a whole damn lot of reasons... because they wnat to support the creative mind behind the product, because they CAN affoard it, because they like it and want to contribute, etc... not because they have to do it
and again, Digital and phicical roperty, are not the same, for a lot of reasons.
oh but rigth, why i writting this, the guy decided to ignore me. well, you know what? i'm writing this because I FUCKING WANT IT...
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really!?... ARE YOU FUCKING SEROIUS!? are you retarded or something!?... why in the world you leave a comment in my profile
"Beware this guy admits to pirating he might offer fake keys"
are you fucking joking!?... dude, or you are just the most AWESOME troll i ever meet, or just a regular retarded fascist... fuck, i was respecting you a bit until this...
next time try to ac mature for fuck sake...
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"Serious.. Well if being against criminal acts are serious than yes I am very serious! there is no reason to debate this stuff on Steamgifts forum and it should pose a ban im0"
I agree. Marriage between two members of the same sex is illegal and I feel if anyone debates gay marriage or discusses it then they should be banned from Steamgifts.
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Actually on alot of forums and "steam forum aswell" its a banable offense to even discuss piracy related stuff! but here we are talking about people admitting to piracy and actually telling others that its ok. this should not be ok on a forum thats "greenlisted" by steam.. but ohh well its not my call, but its my opinion..
PS. I could give a shit about if others pirated or not, my concern is the community and forum! and this is not a proper subject to discuss if you admit to piracy!
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Vercinger.
Its as serious as shoplifting.. do you find shopliten serious ?? if yes then rethink your comment if not! keep going..
I am not saying its the worlds biggest offense, but its still a criminal act and people get high fines and even jail time (yes I've seen that) so don't just cook it down to nothing..
I don't get offended by you pirating! I just think people's pirate stories should stay away from SG. is that so hard to understand ?? after this thread I am not going to donate more games for a period :D why should I if you guys just pirate.. why even have steamgifts why are you here?
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Nowhere in the rules does it mention not talking about piracy, so what if I hate the name Darkie can we ban you? Actually I think you should be banned for to many question marks, one is enough to end a sentence, that sickens me. Since you know we can all make up rules to ban people now.
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Jus throwing this out there
.. when I was doing my lie detector test for acceptance into police academy, the officer asked me before I started. "When we do this test, we are talking about important crimes, so nothing traffic or media piracy related."
This was because, EVERYONE has pirated and EVERYONE was broken some traffic law at some point. If everyone was put in jail for these offences.. well.. ever watch that show "life after people"?
Yes (in some places) this is breaking the law.. but its NOT on the level as shoplifting.
Jus sayin
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It's Steamgift's job to prevent people from breaking the law on it's website as it makes them liable. That being said it is not Steamgift's job to enforce the law outside of its website nor punish people for the things they do unrelated to this site. Giving away pirated keys, discussing how to pirate or linking to pirated material is grounds for being banned, not admitting that you have pirated games outside the site. I hope your're just trolling.
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Tuffdog
I still think its a topic we should refrain for having! it makes no sense for people to mass spam about their piracy acts on Steamgifts forum.. its just my opinion and I really hope a mod close it down
I never said they will ban btw. Its just my opinion that people spamming about how they stole things should be supensable.. "matter of opinion"
I am not trolling. I really 100% believe that this discussion should not take place! solo because its about people stating how many and what games they pirated (see how thats not fitting for a site that gifts legal copies)
I will like to ask you aswell. why should we gift games if people just pirate and even debate that its not illegal (yes some do that look at comments here in our little discussion) its not suitable for SG forums.!
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And, I'll just leave this here: http://torrentfreak.com/file-sharing-for-personal-use-declared-legal-in-portugal-120927/
So... it seems I'm lucky, uh?
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Implying piracy is illegal all around the world. Here nobody gives a shit about it, in fact it's easier to buy a pirated movie or video game than an original one.
Also I'll answer your question with another question: Why shouldn't you? Have you considered the possibility that not everyone has enough disposable income to spend $60 in a game?
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I'm just trolling anyways,... I used to pirate games wehn I was like 12
Now I'm just too busy working for school and my other spare time goes to my own side projects
So long, gayboys!
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While you are correct about the internet connection thing with Steam, Steam is STILL a form of DRM. It manages your rights to use digital content, thus DRM. It's not super intrusive, but DRM is DRM. If a game doesn't have DRM, you didn't get it through Steam.
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I'ma go buy me some Skyrims. -starts installing- What's this? It requires Steam? I have to authenticate online?
Anyway, that's not true. Steam requires authentication whenever you install a game. If you make a Steam Backup you have to authenticate the game before you game play it (might be wrong, though I don't think I am. Really should try that at some point). Also you have to be signed in or in offline mode, not sure if offline mode ever requires a reauthentication ("You have been offline for 30 days, please sign onto Steam to reauthenticate"). Anyway, if you want to switch computers you are going to have to get Steam on that computer and sign in and what not.
Also, DRM is not only internet authentication. Copy protection, CD-keys, Disc Checks, clients -cough-. Granted some people are willing to put up with some DRM and not others (See people using Steam but not Ubisoft games or Diablo 3).
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Icewind Dale. My first game ever was Final Fantasy VIII - but I was not able to buy it then and now there is no chance to buy new one. But if Squere Enix made new (?) version of FFVII, than mayby we will get also FFVIII - I'm gonna buy it instantly!
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http://store.na.square-enix.com/store/sqenixus/en_US/pd/productID.250845500 this is up your alley :).
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+1,in my region Alice MR,for example,is still 50E,and the real price is about 20$,my money doesnt grow on trees...
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Orcs Must Die!,Batman Arkham Asylum,Bioshock,Just Cause 2,Dead Island,Limbo,Borderlands...are games that i tried but i want to buy.
Portal 2 finished with pirated version
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Portal, Borderlands, of course Counter Strike and Half Life.
Pirating games isn't so bad after all, at least me, if i download a game and i like it, of course i will buy it soon, just to add it to my Steam Library, because a game that i enjoyed, sure i will play it again in the future, so it worth.
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Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven
Mount and Blade: Warband
Commandos Series
Minecraft: Not pirated actually, just played the demo. My friend was playing pirated and I saw the game from him :)
Il-2 Sturmovik Series
Sniper Elite
That makes up the list.
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I don't like the idea of Pirating. If you love games, you shouldn't victimize them.
The only things I've pirated, have been games i could not get my hands on (would buy, if i could), or already owned. Nothing in the last 10 years or so.
My list:
Rez, Dragon Force II, Vandal Hearts 2, Shenmue 2, Policenauts, Final Fantasy V, and probably others. I've since purchased most of those, some multiple times. Some never did get released in english or US/Canada, so have not been able to purchase those. I think I've balanced the cosmic scales though.
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