Just something I noticed.
Let's look at some of the most popular recent AAA titles. Bioshock Infinite, Last of Us, Tomb Raider, Walking Dead, etc.
Am I seeing a movement towards vulnerable young girls?
I see this as two things. One is that the games industry is moving towards a more emotional medium. This, in part, represents hope, that maybe they're starting to think of the emotional responses of gamers, and what would garner a better response from male gamers than a girl that needs protecting?
Then it also represents an unwillingness to move to other areas. These companies are still pandering to male gamers. It represents a lack of creativity, in that they go for the easiest option available for the purpose.
Take my favourite film, Up. (Yes, it's animated. So what.) The subject of affection is one of the most unlikely candidate, old man Carl. Yet still, he's been crafted so expertly, that, as the audience, we become invested in him in a unique way.
My only hope is that the industry would only grow further from here, and find other ways of telling more meaningful stories.

What are your thoughts on this manner? What do you think of this coming trend?

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Just wanted to say that I as well love the movie Up. It's a masterpiece.

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They mostly come out at night....mostly

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+1

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tomb raiders been around for nearly 18 years...im serious even if that can be taken as a joke

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Feminism in action. "OMG empoerszments11!!!!"

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your point?

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There is no recent movement toward vulnerable young girls. If anything, the titles you bring up are examples of progress out of the old trope of the damsel in distress. They're all taking an active and necessary role in their stories.

Further, the example games you list are a mixture of victim and heroine roles. Tomb Raider has the typical male 'trial by fire, turn into a hero' story played by an equally valid female. Walking Dead makes victims and panicked protagonists out of both male and female characters, but I do agree that it centers on strong males. Bioshock Infinite, I'm not sure the story would have worked if the genders were swapped for one of or both Booker and Elizabeth.

Games are still being written for a primarily male audience, because the audience for the most profitable game genres are primarily male. Do not look into aggression-fueled games and expect to see women doing the rescuing, for the most part. Men are culturally and biologically designed to feel protective of women.

Women just need to start making games and not just playing them. Men CAN NOT write a convincing female protagonist. Men have zero experience BEING a female, obviously. If women have female roles they wish to see, they need to become more involved within the game developer community. Nothing can stop them except for a lack of talent and effort. Do you have those attributes? Then start making games.

When what I want doesn't exist, I either make it myself or convince someone else to make it for myself and like-minded others.

Just in case you're asking about this due to the influence of Anita Sarkeesian, keep in mind that she subverts her own videos by 'dolling' herself up for the camera. She undermines her own credibility by practicing the same things she speaks against in her videos. Her videos are important to watch and learn from, but she needs to take her own advice as well. Cynics such as myself can see more than she means to say.

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Came here for this. Thank you for patiently going through the details.

And regarding your idea of women creating a convincing female protagonist, I'd actually love to see that happen. Gaming, as an industry, needs some fresh ideas in terms of female protagonists and behaviour.

May be in the near future we will have that.

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"Men CAN NOT write a convincing female protagonist. Men have zero experience BEING a female, obviously." That's obviously why every male character written by a female is bland, boring and... oh, wait, no. Maybe we just need better writers, ones who can put themselves into the heads of different people? Which... you know... they can do already. Otherwise every character ever is just a self-insert of the author, with no distinctions between them at all.

There's no magic wall that blocks the ability to write a character with different genitals. If you can't write a convincing woman as a man, you need to practice writing more. If you can't write a convincing man as a woman, you need to practice writing more. Because even if your story doesn't contain any from the "magic wall gender", if you can't write someone of the opposite gender well, you can't write someone of your gender well either.

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You're not a cynic, you're making one fallacious statement after another and present them as facts. It's understandable, given your upbringing, but not excusable.

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Yeah. Recent? Exactly how many games in the 80's and early 90's had you rescuing a princess/young woman/girlfriend? Tons of them were at the most in their early 20s and many were clearly younger.

Mario series, Zelda series, Popeye, Donkey Kong, Shinobi, Adventure Island, some of the TMNT games, Moonwalker (creepy given the allegations), Dragons Lair, Space Ace, Double Dragon, and many MANY others. The list gets even bigger if you include young females that aren't human.

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Well, I think it's rather a good thing. If you think about it, most games are always about guys, guys and more guys. So yeah, I do believe it's time for a change.

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I certainly like this, and a girl that needs protecting will get a strong emotional response from me.

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It's not important to me....

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Simply the polar opposite to the gruff old Bruce Willis hero from the last 20 years of gaming.

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Death to antiquated tropes.

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And.. Minecraft...

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Isn't that some sort of inner, secret desire of young, adolescent male gamers? Or males in general? To get that chance to save the (in this case) young girl from the bad dudes?

Not trying to be gender biased but from what I've gathered from gaming the last 25 years it's generally more men/boys playing; it's kind of like a fantasy, is it not?

Kind of strange though, if this is the trend, it's funny that females are getting more and more into gaming, and also are calling for equality more and more often.

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I don't think Lara counts as a young girl; as for the rest, it's the industry moving to a more emotional state, because it's more shocking to have a young person exposed to war/conflict/murder than to Disney's movies and cute stuff, the process of a young person losing his innocence is more deeply emotional (for example Carl Grimes from The Walking Dead TV-show) than your average tough guy killing everyone with badass guns.

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Isn't Elizabeth 20 or something? She's not young either.

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She's 17.

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I think you just want to make yourself look like a "socially-aware" Internet vigilante.

There has been no shift, at all. "Young" (in MASSIVE quotes) girls have been in gaming titles about as long as any other type of character.

And when you say "lack of creativity"...do you mean you're solely an Indie gamer who likes to shit on mainstream titles? I've yet to see any Indie title get it right, when most of the AAA industry has already proven they know how to make a good emotional experience. You can point to Up and say "Oh look, they made an old man the hero! It's SO original!", but at the end of the day, it's exactly the same story with a few modified variables.

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+1

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why is the old grandpa type an unlikely subject of affection in your eyes?

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Clementine aint need protecting no mo.

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This, in part, represents hope, that maybe they're starting to think of the emotional responses of gamers, and what would garner a better response from male gamers than a girl that needs protecting?

I really, really hope that it doesn't mean that. For me it's not moving forward, it's degradation.

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My opinion: it's YOUR recent obsession with young girls that makes you notice this.

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Lets see, take your bread and butter aduience.. adult males age 16+ UM... WTF is wrong with young girls?

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Closed 1 decade ago by dymoblade.