no, rep is when you have actually traded with a person.
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Don't worry - you didn't steal anyone's trade. The OP made a trade offer, two people responded, OP picked the one who replied promptly. It doesn't matter who replied first or who was picked, it was the OP's trade and not the other guy's.
If you had instead done something like replying to the guy offering a Humble link saying "I'll give you Dark Souls 1 AND 2 for your Mordheim" then that would have been hijacking a trade. But that didn't happen - you did absolutely nothing wrong here.
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That is a guideline from a set of rules which cannot be enforced as there are no moderators on SteamTrades. At all.
This also means that while technically rep can only be added after a transaction was at least partially completed, most of the negative reps have nothing to do with this suggestion. This is why the admin implemented the entire vote-on-reviews system, to let the people handle the moderation (and it is broken in so many ways it is actually amusing).
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They can give you a negative rep but it most likely will be removed because you didn't conduct a trade with the person giving it and that's what the rep is for(if you traded or had a bad trade) If you do get a - rep just calmly and politely explain that you never traded with the person and the reason and you can link the post or take a screenshot and do it that way. The community votes on removing bad rep, and it would be removed as you didn't conduct a trade with the person giving it.
Also best to just leave that alone and not reply to them if they respond anymore on that trade thread, as you don't want to make the situation worse.
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I mean he can do whatever he want tbh . Some people assume that negative rep always means a scammer , but its not really the case .
IF he feels like you stole his trade ( which you did ) he can leave you a negative rep .
Also hijaking other peoples trade topics is not cool :)
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This is the thread.
https://www.steamtrades.com/trade/XSGPb/have-dark-souls-2-softs
basically OP chosed. I offered.
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Well he did offer the exact same thing OP already had accepted from someone else .
Duno i dont really care enough to dig to deep into it .... he just asked if its okay to get negative rep for that , Imo it is .
Now should he is completely different question .
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It's a bit unclear with the way that it was explained but that's how I understood it. If two people make an offer and the OP chooses one over the other that's not hijacking anything, that's just the OP's choice and is called fair competition, whether because it is a better offer or for whatever other reason they may deem relevant.
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The guidelines include this one: Do not hijack another user's trade for your own benefit, and keep your trades in their appropriate topics.
Still, -rep comments must always be trade related.
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From my understanding it has to be with a person you trade with or attempt to trade with and your experience with them.
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I think that the -rep comment should be about a trade between the accuser and the accused. Also, I just found out what happened and this couldn't even be considered hijacking.
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"Trade feedback should only be used to describe your personal trading experience with a user. It should not be used (i) to post negative comments when you disagree with someone's offer, (ii) for revenge or retaliation when someone leaves you negative feedback, or (iii) for unrelated comments or trading experiences not directly involving you."
I would never trade with you if you have that kind of behaviour tho.
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You did nothing wrong. Someone made an offer to trade for a game and then you made an offer after to trade for the same game. The OP can choose whoever he wants to trade with. If I want to make a trade offer, I am not going to go back through the thread and see if anyone previously made an offer for the same game. There is also no way for you to know if that trade deal already fell through or if the OP has multiple copies of the game and will accept both trades. No wrong was done.
I'm pretty sure the rule about not hijacking another user's trade means that you should not go onto another user's trade thread and make offers to users that have already made offers there to the OP. This would basically be stealing his customer before he has a chance to make the trade. I do think it is fine if you see someone make an offer and you want to trade for the game they have, go to that users trade thread if they have one and make them an offer there.
Edit: I also think it would be misuse of trade feedback for that user to leave you negative rep because you two did not trade and had nothing to do with eachother, he is just upset that you are interested in the same game that he is and the OP decided to trade with you instead of him. There is nothing that says the OP has to make a trade with the first person that makes an offer.
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I'm pretty sure the rule about not hijacking another user's trade means that you should not go onto another user's trade thread and make an offer to someone else that made an offer to the OP.
Correct. Although I will say that in my opinion it is okay to do so if the thread appears to be abandoned. If there were offers/inquiries made and there has been no reply from the OP in a week (or more) then it's all fair game at that point imo.
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I agree. Also, I just edited that section to add that I think it is ok to make the offer in the other users own trade thread if they have one.
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OneEyed23's trade offer is actually unique, though. The first responder said "If you can create a humble bundle gift link" when OP clearly said he/she had a key. OneEyed's offer is unconditional.
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More than that, while I can understand being miffed if someone duplicated an already accepted trade offer for a thread without clear boundaries, this thread had a very limited selection of "wants"- so there was bound to be overlap in offers until the OP removed the game in question from the "have" section.
There's just no way on ST to really be sure what is and isn't available if the OP doesn't micromanage. And even just 'I can trade now' is enough to make an offer notable different- they're throwing something extra in, after all. Whether that's time or an OST to the game in question, it's still part of a bidding process- and regardless of the layout of the site, it does still adhere to the same "make your best offer" mentality of any auction.
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OP is an asshole. There is no reason not to trade with the first person to respond when offers are identical. Good for you, though.
The negative rep is in no way legit. Rep should only signify if a deal was successfully executed, no matter how bad one part feels about it. You should try to dispute it.
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OP is an asshole. There is no reason not to trade with the first person to respond when offers are identical.
Complete nonsense. There can be plenty of reasons, the least of which is certainly not reputation, trustworthiness, or level of risk. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the OP having multiple choices and deciding between them.
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When games are popular there are many offers for the same game and if I received multiple offers for the same trade, I would trade with the person I feel the safest trading with. I would not care about the order that the offers came in.
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Well the first offer wanted a Humble gift link. A lot of resellers only want Humble gift links so they can be sure the unrevealed key has not been used. Some people don't want to trade with resellers - only people that are going to use the key themselves - inasmuch as it's possible to guarantee this. Specifically requesting a gift link is a pretty sure way to know if the person requesting the trade that comes with a gift link intends to resell it somewhere else and not use it for themselves - not 100% but close enough.
Also, it looks looks Delphine is relatively new since they accepted both offers - however the first offer wouldn't have been completed since that person is a reseller (as far as I can tell) and Delphine only had a key - not a gift link.
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Well...there's also the matter that Humble gifts (and trades for other Humble gifts) are supposed to be done via gift links, not keys. When I'm trading a Humble game (gift link), I always ask for a Humble gift link. Most of the time, I won't trade for a key. But it doesn't have anything to do with whether I'm activating the game or giving it away (or in theory reselling it, although to my knowledge I've never done that).
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Well, there's a notable difference in Humble staff response- if you activate it as a key, you can get Humble to revoke and reset it afterward, just with the excuse of 'I activated it to the wrong account'. If it gets activated by a gift link, I'm fairly sure the giftee account has to confirm the revoke process- though I've never had issues with "expiring gift links", so I'm not sure how that plays in.
In any case, there's some pretty reasonable grounds for preferring gift links, if only for some extra empty confidence.
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Well, I honestly don't fully understand what you're saying. In any case:
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Sorry here is the thread for you to understand
https://www.steamtrades.com/trade/XSGPb/have-dark-souls-2-softs
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Then you're all good. That person is bullshitting you, ignore it.
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Negative feedback cannot be given for anything else than a completed trade.
I would call such a rule bullshit because if someone attempted to scam but was unsuccessful (i.e. no trade was completed) then they might never get reported and/or marked as a scammer as per the feedback system and would just move on without any consequences to their actions and just try to scam someone else. The feedback system is supposed to be there to serve as an aid in the form of a barometer to gauge someone's level of trustworthiness, and in the case of a scammer, raise a red flag as a potential warning sign to others. Mind you I'm not advocating misuse of feedback here, but it shouldn't be nearly so black and white as the statement above.
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I don't use ST enough to know the exact regulations and stuff. I may be wrong about the completed trades part.
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You can review the rules on the vote-on-reviews page. Staff also clarified in the past that feedback based on attempted scam or otherwise deeply inappropriate behavior is still grounds for negative feedback- if it occurred during an actual trade, and not in the process beforehand. In other words, if items are exchanged or not, if the trade initiated and the other party's conduct didn't match minimum expectations, then it's valid for negative ST feedback. (Community voting also reflects this sentiment, as such reviews have not been removed by the community from ST.)
For contrast, Barter added a confirmation step to accepting a trade to avoid certain confusions as to when a trade was considered active- with Barter, it's any point after you agree to that confirmation prompt. On ST, it's whenever you enter chat (or whatever other arrangement you've come to) and attempt to exchange items, even if that doesn't prove to be possible.
It's actually a very similar consideration to SG rules- on SG, you're not allowed to get a reroll for another individual's behavior.. unless it's grossly inappropriate and occurs in the time period after the giveaway ends- in which case, staff will make an exception.
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Short answer: No, you're fine.
Long answer:
It's against ST rules to hijack someone else's threads. In other words, if it was MonkeyDancerA's thread, and MonkeyDancerB posted an offer, and you then replied to MonkeyDancerB- then you'd be in the wrong.
Posting another offer to MonkeyDancerA [as you did in the linked thread] is, rather intuitively, completely okay; after all, that's the entire point of having a trading thread- to get competing offers so as to be able to pick the most favorable option. (Nevermind that ST, unlike Barter, doesn't have any confirmation process, so you can't really know if an item is actually traded or in the process of being traded.)
The primary consideration for ST feedback is that trading should only reflect the actual trading experience- that moment when you're in chat, about to exchange games. If they try to scam you, if their conduct is wanting, or if the trade actually goes through and isn't as promised- that's what trade feedback is for.
Theoretically, site-related issues should be handled by ST's [non-existent] moderation staff. Given that circumstances are as they are, it's viable that someone could get by with leaving negative feedback for hijacking a trade- though it really isn't what feedback is intended for.
In your circumstance there's just no basis whatsoever for negative feedback- that'd be like someone threatening to report you to staff on SG for winning a giveaway they'd also entered for. You did nothing wrong by also throwing your name into the ring. Hijacking, on the other hand, would be more like giveaway leaking on SG- it wouldn't have any association with the primary [giveaway] process, but it's still a rule violation in its own right. As ST doesn't have a way to report non-feedback-related violations, there's no real way to handle that kind of thing.
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Posting another offer to MonkeyDancerA [as you did in the linked thread] is, rather intuitively, completely okay; after all, that's the entire point of having a trading thread.
Exactly, I've had the same happen to me. I posted in a thread, went AFK for a few hours and when I got back someone had offered the same thing but since they were online and I wasn't, I didn't get the trade and they did. And it's hard to believe, I know - but hey, I didn't whine about it. I moved on to find another trade.
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I said I can give you negative rep, I did not give you one, did I?
I just deleted my positive rep which I have previously given to you.
Btw, isn't posting the thread here calling out?
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You had already deleted the Positive rep before even that trade thread created. I still have mine on you, ya know. And that was 8 months ago
Plus you threatened me with negative rep just so I can back off the trade. Nonetheless, you still threatened with negative rep. Doesn't matter if you didn't in the end and plus you made no mention of deleting positive rep. Still not cool move
And calling out? The trade thread was public even a person who wasn't participating in the thread intervened bcz it is a public trade thread. It can still be seen on steamtrades unless OP decided to completely rewrite the thread
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I deleted my positive rep the moment I saw you added OP despite seeing he had accepted my offer. You wanted to add him so fast that you forgot to use a verb in your offer.
And for the last hour I really haven't bothered to write a negative rating, have I? But meanwhile you have been crying all over different forums how I have molested you.
What you did was a dick move. I had 2 minutes to reply to OP before you stole the trade.
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I am doing a trade with OP.
Someone offered Mordheim and I offered the same after him. OP chose me to do the trade and the guy who offered first threatened to leave neg rep to me for stealing his trade.
Is that a legit way to leave negative rep to someone?
This is the thread
https://www.steamtrades.com/trade/XSGPb/have-dark-souls-2-softs
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