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NO one voted potato before me? Heresy ;)
don't do pre-purchase
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Now refund also applies for the pre-purchased games (only if bought on steam) but don't do that. If there's absolutely no bonuses for the game, why would you pay a dime for something that's not even available at that moment? We had broken Watch Dogs, unplayeable AC Unity, MK X that apparently still works like sh*t and Arkham Knight that maybe will start working with time.
Do.not.preorder. If you're best arguement is "but I love the developers" you're not a fan. You're a tool for the industry they can rely on with the shitty releases and day 0-1-2-3-4 fix patches because they didn't even finish their game. Being optimistically cynical is the best choice.
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now, now. We need those people that pre-order. Other than reviewers, they let us know that the game is unplayable.
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so what? tom hardy also doesn't look like mel gibson. fury road worked anyway. ;)
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But... but... we don't need another hero Mad Max, the old movies were just fine. I'm really tired of Hollywood's remakes/reboots... in most cases, they aren't as good as the originals. At least, according to my taste. But maybe I'm just an old, grumpy cat lady.
80's... Tina Turner... muscled saxophone dude... this song still rocks.
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i will definitely pre-order it. i have faith in avalanche. and if i am wrong and it turns out to be a bad game or an unoptimized pile of console shit, i will just use the refund system. as i see it, there is no risk in preordering on steam anymore, as long as we keep in mind that we have to decide whether we want to keep the game or not within 2 hours of gameplay.
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the trailer looks gorgeous. my pc can't run it. :o
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Yep, risk a 40$ broken game for a (eventually) $1-3 cosmetic / brag item. I see a ploy here. I'll still say wait and see. The only reason I can see to pre-purchase is if you're a real fan of the developers and you are ready to just throw money at them because you like them. The eventual game would be a bonus.
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$40 game? It shows as almost $67 Canadian for me... so I assumed $60 in USD... geez this Regional pricing is getting crazy. Convert our USD balance when money is at par, money drops, value of our originally USD we put on the account plummets too. Fun times... grumbles
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Its like $30 usd here in Mexico. Anyway our currency its dropping its value at historical low rates everyday so its not really cheaper from our economical point of view, unless you are a Mexican and have a job that pays in American Dollars. Those guys are lucky
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Refund if you don't mind the hassle. I see a trend in the making. Devs making 2 hr long good experience games (voice, cutscene, content) and afterwards you might just as well be rolling in a desert. Cognitive dissonance ; you don't need our approval on how to use your money. Just stick to your gun as I stick to mine. I'll wait for at least day 1 patch and a decent review.
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The past year and a half should have taught you that pre-ordering is a bad idea :3
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it's so funny that still all people on the internet scream out loud how bad pre-ordering is, while it actually is not anymore on Steam. the refund system makes pre-ordering without risk possible. i am happy to use it. pre-ordering is even better than buying on release now. if the game is good, you get all the pre-order bonuses. and if it turns out to be garbage, you lose nothing. you just get your money back and pre-order the next game with it. ^^
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But, does Steam gives you back real money? Or it refunds you in Steam Currency? This is a serious question I have never made a refund before
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They give you the choice to refund to your Steam wallet or back to wherever the money came from, in my case it was Paypal.
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Refunding back to the source assumes that you are refunding an entire purchase so if you bought more than one thing at the same time they must all go back otherwise you can only receive wallet funds. If you buy each item separately, no worries,
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why this comparison? because it's open world? cause this is the only similarity i see. mad max will probably focus quite heavily on the car, which is a big difference, for example.
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I'm also interested in why do you draw this conclusion. It's being developed by the same people that made JC, and if any series fits with nonsense spectacular vehicular destruction, it's Mad Max.
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For me, better to save my money since I'm really not interested in this one. The only thing that sparks my interest is the developer involved, but that doesn't necessarily weigh up against the publisher having a far-from-perfect track-record. So, if I want to support the developer with a pre-purchase, I will do so by pre-purchasing the other game they've got coming out.
In fact... I did. In april.
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Why would you pre-order a movie licensed game? Have we learned NOTHING from the past? Apart from the LOTR action-rpg games, Spider-Man The Movie The Game (horrendous title) and let's say X-Men Origins Wolverine, which was nice, clean, eviscerating people, fun (and way better than the actual movie), all other movie licensed games were GARBAGE. I mean, do you remember Spider-Man 3? Iron Man? Thor? Green Lantern? the Punisher? Scarface? This one seems to not be a complete piece of shit, but still...pre-order? Wait and fucking see! Never underestimate the power of a movie licensed game to suck.
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did you read the thread? if so, what do you say to the argument that we can refund anyway, if the game sucks? i think it's a pretty good one.
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It's not about the money. It's about the nerves and rage that such a game induces. If you wait for launch, you can see the reviews and make an informed decision. I'm not talking Arkham Knight suckage here, where the game would basically be good if it wasn't poorly optimized. I'm talking piece of shit game that has no redeeming quality to it. Like Iron Man for example. I'm not against pre-orders in general, What ticks me off is that is a movie licensed game.
Also...stop pretending that refunds solve everything. Two hours is a laughable time for someone to actually see if a game like this completely sucks or has at least some redeeming fun factor to it. It may be enough for some shitty, linear, modern military shooter, but for a sand-box game? Allow me to say "NO FUCKING WAY!!!!" And if you break the 2 hour-play limit, say good-bye to your money forever.
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Or, buy pre-order for bonuses and maybe even cheaper price, DON'T START IT, read day-1 reviews, watch you-tubes, and if you won't like what you see, refund it, as you have 14 days after release to give it back.
This way you can have pre-order bonuses, or punish publisher by forcing HIM to pay those around $20, as GabeN keeps his 30% anyway and publishers must pay that difference from their own wallet.
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valve keep their 30% in case of refunds? do you have a source for that?
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your links are from 2012 and 2013, which is 2/3 years before the refund system we are talking about. ^^
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Oh well, i've interpreted wrong, didn't see that you guys was talking about fee on refund. Sames to you @Bongo
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you say refunds don't solve the problem of judging the game correctly, because the 2 hours are not enough time to do so. but you don't just get 2 hours. you also get 14 days. and in those 14 days you can do everything you mentioned yourself to see if the game is good or not, if it has problems or not (see the reviews and make an informed decision). so it's not like you can either do the pre-order/refund strategy or come to your informed decision after launch by reading reviews and whatnot. you can actually do both. i mean, it's not like you're forced to play the game immediately after launch for exactly 2 hours and make an immediate decision whether to keep it or not. you can give yourself some time, read some reviews, read some customer opinions. and if after a few days it turns out to be a garbage game, you just refund it. sounds like a solid plan to me. :)
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Ok, let's look at it this way, shall we? Forget the talk of whether or not pre-orders in general are a good idea or not. We can debate about this for years and NEVER reach a general consensus. Let's just look at this PARTICULAR pre-order. Does the pre-order offer any discount as of now? NOPE. What does it offer? A fully customizable Magnum Opus car body? Ooooh, I'm sure to take it now...
Also, let's suppose the best case scenario, which is that this game will be excellent: it's still a goddamn WB game, so it's more than clear it'll have a shit-ton of DLC, which everyone that has pre-ordered will pay some heavy extra-money to get. More so, as past times have proven, as the good WB game that it is (Shadow of Mordor, MK X), the imminent and unavoidable GOTY/GOTC/ complete/ultimate/whatever edition will be on Bundle Stars for 20 bucks in less than a year. So tell me again: why the hell would I pre-order this game? Soooo...yeah, allow me to retain my initial assessment and state that, at least in this case, pre-ordering is for imbeciles.
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there are two kind of people in the world. the kind you can have a serious discussion with. and the kind that thinks, cheap insults are the way to go. sorry that you belong to the latter. maybe you're just too young, i don't know.
one last answer on the topic: your argumentation is not really logical. you say you don't gain much from this particular pre-order. and that might be true. what you should also think about is: what do you lose by pre-ordering and maybe refunding in the end? if the answer is nothing, i think even small bonuses are better than nothing. so if you are interested in the game (which you have to be in the first place, of course), it might actually make sense to pre-order, since you lose nothing from refunding, if the game doesn't turn out to be what you wanted from it - and if it does, you have some pre-order bonuses, no matter how small they are in this particular case. you can argue that the mad max bonuses are too irrelevant to even consider the pre-order. but you certainly can't argue that pre-ordering doesn't make sense at all, under any circumstances, and is for imbeciles - because that is just BS which you didn't really think through.
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LoL, I didn't insult anyone. I just call it as I see it. Not my problem that you felt especially targeted by the imbecile remark. Also, I'm 27, so I"m about to wager I'm older than you...maybe. And to conclude, maybe you're just a wasteful, arrogant, rich prick who can afford to pay the game's price twice for the trillion DLCs that WB will UNDOUBTEDLY release, but I'm not., so GTFO. Or maybe you're just one of those people who are not interested in DLCs. That can be a valid point. But don't expect anyone to think like you.
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Also, I'm 27, so I"m about to wager I'm older than you
well, you're not. i'm 34.
LoL, I didn't insult anyone
imbeciles
wasteful, arrogant, rich prick
yeah, sure. maybe you're just an idiot. a stupid prick. childish, and for sure a douchebag. feel insulted? well, i will just say now that i didn't insult you, and everything's fine, right? ^^
btw, i actually am not interested in 99% of the DLC out there. most of that is just a waste of money and time. but this is not even the topic here. you are out of arguments on our topic (which was pre-order&refund, remember?), and now start a whole new discussion about DLC.
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Like I said, not my fault that you felt targeted by my remark. Your problem, NOT MINE. If you're so sure you're right and I'm wrong, why do you even care what i think?
Second...are you really that dense to not understand how the DLC topic is connected to this? Let me just spell it out so your tiny brain can understand: for what conceivable reason would I buy a 50 dollar game when I can get its Game of the Year Edition (which will undoubtedly exist pretty soon) AT THE SAME PRICE? Les than half, actually, considering the track record with WB games. So yeah, pre-order is a complete waste of money. Like I said, you may be able to afford throwing all that money down the drain, but I can't (and many others can't either, I would assume). Did that insult you? I don't give a fuck. This topic was made so that people can express their opinion on pre-orders. Which I did. You don't agree? I couldn't care less.
Oh, btw, just stop and ponder for a minute on this: you pay for something that you won't be able to use for months to come... Cartman said it best in that awesome South Park episode: "Pre-orders are a way that companies have invented to make you their bitch" If at least it was a decent corporation, but no, it's fucking WB, worse d-bags than EA and Ubishit put together.
I find it mind boggling that someone would defend the ass-hole marketing schemes of a company like this, which has proven time and again not having anything but utter disrespect and contempt for its customers and their hard earned money. You think the people that got burned by them on Arkham Knight were happy just cause they got their money back? Ahem... I sincerely think they much rather had preferred they didn't get their money back, but have the functional product that they paid for. So is this what we've come to now? Excusing incompetence, carelessness and complete stupidity because of the new refund policy on Steam? And what about the hundreds, maybe thousands who couldn't refund the game, cause they tried desperately to make it work and broke the 2 hour barrier? The game has now been withdrawn from the store, but those who have it have it forever. And there are rumors that when it'll be back on, it'll be a brand new port, rebuilt form the ground up (why else would they have flat-out withdrawn it form the store?) and so there will be no patch to fix the broken version that still exists in users' Steam accounts. And the ones who own the broken version will not get the new one for free, because...this is WB, after all... They'd NEVER do that!!!
Regardless of what you or I think of pre-ordering, I'd deter ANYONE form pre-ordering any of their games out of sheer principle: because THEY DO NOT DESERVE IT. So in conclusion, fuck this p.o.s company and especially fuck EVERYONE who willingly becomes its bitch (and even worse, thinks that WB is actually doing them a favor with this whole pre-order bullshit). And I will now quote Ben "Yahtzee" Crosshaw, who basically said the same thing I did (how much of a cunt company WB is and how idiotic those who kiss its ass are), but much funnier: "Now you can pay real money that your mum and dad worked hard to get to buy a limited number of easy fatalities as DLC. And while it is cunty to sell such things, i find it even cuntier to pay for them... This is a two cunt system, people. Like a double ended dildo. And I consider Mortal Kombat to be the lesser cunt in this scenario"
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as i said, you are completely changing the subject, because you're out of arguments. we were talking about pre-orders vs. buying shortly after launch. i delivered arguments, you did not. end of story.
btw, are you sure you're 27? you seem to be more like 17. sure you didn't get confused with the numbers there?
i know you will pull some new insults out of your hat and try to force me into answering once more, but this was it for me. no more answers. you're just not a worthy discussion partner. insulting and changing the subject is all you do. this is just not a serious discussion.
before i go, something to read for you:
When I was studying for my degree in Psychology we learned that people who frequently insult others may have a deep-seated neurosis. According to psychologists, people with an unwarranted sense of accomplishment often present as arrogant, elitist snobs, and are known to hurl insults at anyone who threatens their fragile self-esteem
http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_narcissistic_personality_disorders.htm
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LOL, wtf am i even doing? How do you not understand that it's all related... Simple concepts as metaphors seem to elude you... The easy fatalities DLCs represent WB's attempt to make one pre-order a game. And the ones that buy them represent the one that pre-order said game. Understand it now? Jesus... I think you''e the one confused, seeing how you don't seem understand that we were actually talking about how pre-orders in general are REALLY STUPID and how pre-ordering a WB game in particular is EVEN STUPIDER...
But whatever... I bet you didn't even bother to read what I wrote. No more insults, they're wasted on you... GL with th whole WB's bitch thing. Goodbye.
P.S. As a doctor, I am fully aware what a neurosis is. I might very well have one. What's the big deal? Many people have one. Multiple, actually. Not severe enough to be considered as a mental illness, pretty treatable by a psychologist (not a psychiatrist) and nothing to be really ashamed of or anything. If that was meant as some under the hand attempt at an insult, it sure as hell backfired. I think you're confusing it with a "PSYCHOSIS", which is an entirely different thing. Got your terms mixed there... Actually, come to think of it I actually am a narcissist. I fail to see how that reflects badly on me. You're actually trying to undermine me by pointing a features of my personality of which I am most proud of. It's like asking Jose Mourinho why he's such an arrogant prick, right after him winning the UEFA Champion League trophy... So what's your point?
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Exactly, I would even go so far as to say that it was a very good game. Furthermore, its only connection to the Punisher movie of that time was the voice over by Thomas Jane (otherwise it was based on the comics, as it should be).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it basically just Max Payne without the bullet time? Which was replaced by fucking cover-based shooting. Sooo...Kane and Lynch.? No, thank you! I'd rather play El Matador. That one at least has the bullet-time mechanic. I mean, if you don't have the imagination and decency to make an original game and just rip off a much better game, at least rip it off completely. They did a half-assed job even in that department.
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Cover-based shooting (*Max Payne btw.)? There was no cover based shooting at all, it was actually quite innovative, implementing quick kills (partially using the environment), dual wielding assault rifles, interrogations (partially using the environment) and so on. During the story you meet the likes of Iron Man, Nick Fury and Daredevil. But maybe we're talking about a different game, I'm talking about this...
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Yeah, I was thinking about Mad Max cause this is what the thread's about...silly me. About the rest, I dunna... the game was pretty boring and repetitive, as far as I remember, nothing really spectacular anyway. But I guess I did judge it too harshly, and compared to the rest of the movie licensed games, it wasn't that bad. Considering that most movie licensed games are garbage, anyway...
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It's not a licensed movie game. The game has barely to do with the movie at all. Its a separate thing and its being made by Avalanche.
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You have to cherish the little moments in life. Some of the best are the ones that come with laughter. Always value those, they simply make life better. They put your body in a state of tranquility, they bring peace of mind.
So I have to appreciate you all, this thread, for making me laugh with such gusto. Its whole existence is of such madness, of such hilarity, that I greedily accept the laughs it gives, and hope for many more in the future. Because one can only expect an endless supply of such precious moments from the bottomless pit that is madness, the force that drives people to preemptively order a game from none other than Warner Brothers. It can only be madness forcing people to such actions, despite having the knowledge of their most recent disaster.
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