Currently there's a nasty bug with CV for group+whitelist giveaway.
How it works: person A creates a group+whitelist giveaway for some unpopular game, got 0 entries from the group and 7 entries from his whitelist until the giveaway's end. After the winner checked the giveaway as received, person A gets full CV value PLUS Value Difference for this group where he got 0 entries. That bug affects all giveaway groups and fills them with fake giveaway stats.
So group Value Difference of the group should rise/drop only for group members, not for some random steamgifters.

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add group rule - whitelist giveaways are not allowed
Problem solved

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It doesn't fix this bug

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Cool bug!
Bump.

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It is not a bug.
For most purposes group and whitelist are the same. As Mihey3Z said, only way to "fix" this are gorup rules.

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Why is it not a bug when whitelist winner isn't in the group? I could count that as a feature if he was in the group, but he doesn't belong to it anyhow

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But then the following would also be a bug:
Assume a user is in one group of a multi group /let's assume 2 groups) giveaway. The user wins and get "0.5 won" in the group they are in. Now later the user joins the other group which was present in the previously won multi group GA. The user will start with "0.5 won" (at least I think so).

Edit: Whitelist is a group. Just it is Steamgifts only and has no counterpart on Steam.

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Good point, but I can imagine why it works that way. It was just the easiest way to work with multigroup GA.
For example, there is GA for 2 groups (A and B) and 2 copies. 1st winner is from group A and 2nd - from both A and B. So how CV should be splitted for them? E.g. 1st receive "0.5 won" in group A only (and it seems to be correct). But what about the second one: "0.5 won" in each group is too many ("1 won" in total and it's more than for the first player), "0.25 won" in each group looks like not enough.

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Yep if you join a group after you have won a multi group GA with that group, all of your previous wins that included that group will count.

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It's not a bug. It's a feature.
But! I do fully understand the struggle and I'm totally with TS here. It should be divided at least, as if it's one another group.

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It's a bug! :)

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People already said it's not a bug, but I gotta ask:
How is it a "fake giveaway stat" when the giveaway was for the group? It's not Person A's fault that no one from said group wanted to join it, should that really make their GA invalid?

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For those who's saying it's not a bug:
is it normal when SG counts non-member of the group as a group member and adding to group VD of giveaway's creator whole amount of CV. There's two options - yes or no, without maybe, dunno or "think about it from other side".

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  • Creator is always part of group he is gifting for. I understand what you mean, but you need to clearly separate winners and gifters when you say " is it normal SG counts non-member of the group as a group member"
  • If the winner is not group member, then still counting as a VD gifter for group is a conception choice not a bug. You can have a group with rules where members can gift only and never enter (or maintain group ratio>1) for example.

Your point is relevant though in case someone have huge WL. And farm VD with it. It is no more different than adding huge public group. (apart less contribution + you can check group sizes).

So I think you actually attempt to solve this issue.
But you probably won't get contribution calculation changed anytime soon; as many people are fine with it, and it is not cg priority.

Pragmatically, this can be done, as suggested above :

  • by specific group rules, forbidding / limiting WL usage (displaying WL size could help here, though, to check them)
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this need all

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