Yes, Sims 1! Great game, gives me such good memories about my virtual families ^^
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The only way you couldn't open a file is if you take a newer file and try to open it in an older version. Your example doesn't make sense, you can always open older files in newer versions of the software.
For what reason would you want to use an older version of the software after buying the newer one ?
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Sometimes. Adobe is bipolar. Sometimes they're great when they release the new version of Lightroom for much lower price and make the license multiplatform, or when they make the student versions available for occasional commercial use. But on the other hand, the pricing itself is the main pain in a butt and still the fact that you have to buy the Photoshop twice if you want to work with it on PC as well as on MAC kinda sucks as well.
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lol yeah, I only touch audition for restoration/mixing
Its just faster for me when I edit on audition's layout.
If I want to create midi, I can just fire up acid pro and start recording there. Then pass the raw output audio by each track and mix it in audition
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Actually the cloud-only prices will be cheaper. The "$1200 for 2 years" price is for the Master Collection, which, right now for CS6, costs $2599. So if you are the type of person who buys every new version of Creative Suite, you will save a lot of money with Adobe's new business plan. Source
"An individual license for Photoshop CS6 will run you $699 at full price, but a two-year subscription to the software at $20 a month will cost only $480. The Master Collection of the suite goes for $2599, but a two-year subscription would run you a comparatively meager $1200 (though it doesn't seem likely that there are many people out there who use every application in the entire suite on a regular basis, so you'd probably be paying for at least some software that you didn't strictly need)."
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This. This is expensive enough that the target customers are hard core users, who will get great value. For most people, Photoshop is overkill anyway.
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True. But not everybody uses PS & co. on a daily basis and forcing them to pay a subscription will only make them stick with old versions or use cracked editions.
I myself use PS for web design & not only but I don't create websites all day. This means I'll have to pay $50/month just to use it 3-4 months/year.
I somehow don't like to pay 6-7 extra months just for that. I'd rather give those money away to someone how needs them instead of paying Adobe for nothing.
This plan is good for companies that do this on a daily basis but I'm not sure how many freelancers or small companies (5 ppl or something) to pay for this.
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This is worrysome. If you want to work while on vacation, this new DRM scheme might be a issue. But as I think about it, those affected by these will just be small. I absolutely think that they are just doing this to combat piracy. Unfortunately for those who has potential talents but doesn't have the $$$ to be enrolled in a design course or the money for the suite, they won't be able to hone their talents.
Also this "might" increase the number of hobbyist that uses adobe products because they don't need to pay for the whole product because they can get it on a monthly subscription. Might because some maybe be swayed instead of using a open-source or cheaper alternative instead of paying per month basis.
I have a student discount for Master CS6 and they are offering me a 20$ plan/month(this is complete master). This is a big win for me, 440$/year vs 1000$/version upgrade which upgrade every year.
For those saying that this is greed, I'm saying no. They are offering their software for a much cheaper and flexible price. The only people that I think who are crying are those pirates.
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Adobe is probably more concerned with stopping the resale of licenses. Didn't they lose the Software Surplus case last year?
(Software Surplus would buy unwanted licenses from people and resell them to other people. Adobe sued them for "software piracy". Part of Adobe's argument was that they don't sell their software itself, but rather only license it, so it should be illegal for third parties to buy and resell used licenses the way that Software Surplus did.)
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"those pirates" will have fully functional cracked versions of every new release within days, as usual. And the groups that release such cracks are actually happy over every new challenge.
Adobe just gives people one more reason to prefer cracked versions.
This new payment-model has advanteges for some people, but strong disadvanteges for others.. right now Adobe is offering both payment-models and that is the only way to go.
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Businesses that use Photoshop as a tool for some minor tasks rather then their main-income tend to buy one version and use it for a decade or more. You are comparing the prices of "always having the latest version", wich is interresting only for a part of the customers. Small businesses and privat persons even buy used older versions for ~200 bucks and still use them a decade or longer. These are just some common examples I can think of right now, I´m sure theres a ton more of em.
The new model is great if you use photoshop for your main income, but they already offered this model side-by-side with the "old" one.. and as I said, that is the only customer-friendly way to do it.
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That's it? that's weak reasoning to not buy a licensed ver. This is not even worth replying to. Who's this private person you're referring to that uses adobe products for a decade? hobbyists? random people? student?
Also No business has the right mind to pay for adobe products just for "minor" taks. They are not dumb, they will look for a open source alternative if it's just minor. Those business(small or not) can just stick to CS6/lower versions if they want to use it for a decade just like you said, as well as for those businesses that use it for "minor" usage.
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Well, in that case I´ve worked with a lot of dumb companies xD Guess you should really start to broaden your view ;)
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How about you provide real facts instead of making it up. You didn't even answered my previous question.
Care to give a business model that uses photoshop for minor tasks? Again, there is no same company to buy photoshop just for "minor purposes" if they need a large poster, its cheaper to outsource it rather than making it themselves
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It is getting a bit tiresome and I dont really have the time to do the homework for someone who just wants to keep his opinion no matter what xD
I keep it simple:
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tiresome because you don't really know what you are talking about. You can't keep the argument and therefor dodge the questions instead.
You said this new payment scheme has disadvantages to others - ok fair enough, I ask who are those others
You said companies and people who uses photoshop for minor tasks - Those will be the minority, companies aren't dumb enough to buy their own photoshop software and make their own designs without training or hiring someone. Outsourcing is much cheaper
Creative cloud is not for those companies that uses photoshop for minor tasks. If someone actually uses photoshop for "minor tasks" then stay on CS3 or use a cheaper alternative.
If there's a company that actually upgrade their PS software every version but doesn't generate income on using it, then they have a lot of $$$ surplus or just plain dumb.
Also I have never said that there are no people like that, I just said there are dumb/not sane.
And that ebay link, that's actually proof that companies/people aren't interested on using photoshop for "minor" tasks
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Okay, now it seems you are just trolling..
"Creative cloud is not for those companies that uses photoshop for minor tasks. If someone actually uses photoshop for "minor tasks" then stay on CS3 or use a cheaper alternative."
My point exactly xD Was that so hard?
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What about small companies & freelancers? How could they afford it? As I said above, I myself use PS for web design & not only but I don't create websites all day. This means I'll have to pay $50/month just to use it 3-4 months/year.
Actually, this has nothing to do with the fact that I can or cannot afford it. It's not normal to pay a full year subscription for something I only use 3-4 months/year.
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are you serious? This change should benefit you more. Tell me, Would you be willing to shell 1900$ upfront, or a monthly basis of 50$?
If you are not earning more than 50$ per month being a web designer free lancer, then you're doing it wrong. This change actually encourages hobbyists/freelancers to actually try photoshop.
Again, small guys doesn't need to purchase every version change. Can't afford it? then stick with the previous version and learn to innovate
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Well, as I said, it has nothing to do with the money. But I don't do web design ONLY as I am mainly software dev and I do not need every single CS release.
So I have to pay extra 6 months/year even if I don't use CS.
For now I'll stick with CS6 but what about from now on? I will have to upgrade eventually.
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Again, if photoshop is not your main software as your income, you don't need constant updates. Hell, you could even stay at CS3.
I will only accept this as a valid argument that you will need to upgrade eventually if you can tell me specific features that you seriously need from CS4+ that CS3 doesn't have. Staying in CS3 is totally viable because photoshop is the most flexible software in the creative suite because it is backward and forward compatible, another fact is .PSD files has a universal alternative which is .TIFF. Other software like premiere and after effects is not that flexible
Seriously though, where did you get your 50$ price point? PS CC costs only 10$/month if you own photoshop CS3+. Can't tell if you're a faker or not.
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Eh, just bought a copy of Flash (finally got around to saving enough money), so I don't plan on updating for quite a few years. That really sucks though.
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Glad I already have CS6 Master Collection... Sad because my key only has one more activation on it and I need to format this drive.
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Not to mention Adobe has been constantly price gouging us Aussies. In fact there's an instance where for a certain Adobe product, one could fly from Australia to the States, pick up that Adobe product, and fly back and it would still be cheaper than buying it locally here...
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source? If this is true Adobe I hate you, you already screw up with unstable flash drivers but this takes the cake.
I think I can get this at 50% off with a student discount anyway but that won't last for long as I won't be a student for much longer. I just don't like the sound of a monthly subscription drm service I would just rather pay for it all upfront.
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Do you use any of the Creative Suite products (Photoshop, Audition, Premiere)? If you do, Adobe just announced that they'd love to screw you.
They will no longer be selling perpetual licenses of new versions. Instead, if you want new features, you'll have to pay 50 bucks a month for the suite. The suite currently costs ~1200 dollars, meaning that if you use the subscription model for more than two years, you're paying more money to rent the software than to own it forever.
I was really hoping for CS7 to add the cloud exclusive features, but now Adobe has lost my money.
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