No, it will be available, it's just Valve is throwing absurd amounts of resources trying to port everything to Linux, which is detrimental IMHO as almost in every case the port is awful performance-wise. Had they spent it on Windows they could easily solve 90% of issues Win users have.
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It's like porting car to square wheels. Sure, on a road full of holes it might move better than round wheels, but 99.9% of users who use round wheels that run better on good roads might, oh, want money from their purchases go to bettering something they use.
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99.9% of gamers don't use Windows. And the gamers that don't use windows want their money to go to a game they can actually play.
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I think there was a misunderstanding. I was saying that 99% of all of the gamers aren't all using Windows, not that 99% of gamers use something other than windows.
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If you read the comment I responded to, the guy is building a metaphor and saying that 99.9% of people use Windows. He says very similar things in other comments as well.
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"The thing about stuff on the internet is you can never really know if it's true" - Rasputin.
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Linux users pay for what they buy too and your comment about steam moving from windows to Linux because they are releasing windows only games to Linux is kind of absurd. They are expanding their customer base, which means they get more returns in the long run with which they can further improve their services.
There are many people who use Linux who now have a chance to play games they otherwise could not. Valve is giving them that chance. And now please don't comment about why they don't get Windows if they want to play games.
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^this.
I was hoping it might be a post about Valve working out a way to get all Windows developed games to run on Linux without any problems.
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They are working really hard to port their own games to Linux. The other games are up to their respective developers I'm afraid.
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Yeah, they do. If they spent just 10% of resources that went to Linux TF2 on Windows one, it would be virtually bug-free (there is big, documented list of almost all bugs and some of the likely causes and/or bugfixes on several forums, Valve has most of work done for them already). Instead, they spend it on badly working white elephant in Gabe-Bill Gates pissing match :(
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I say it would cost them 3 hundred billion percent the resources they spent on porting it to linux. And since you have no evidence to back up your claims, both are equally valid claims full of utter BS.
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I could have sworn it was different.... Anyways, I honestly can't believe you don't see how misleading it is. If your second quote wasn't directed at me, then why did you include it in a response to me? All I did, was comment on how misleading your title is. The majority of people who visit this thread will think that Valve is trying to "move Steam off windows". The word "move" implies that they are leaving one platform and starting on another. "Expanding the Steam platform" or "developing for tablets" would have been better choices.
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They're not reading it that way. They are reading what you said which is untrue. Steam is not moving off windows at all. It being added to another platform. That's not moving off anything. That's called being supported.
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I said porting DotA2 to tablet is inane idea. It's simply a fact, tablets can't support DotA's UI. So, true. Also, using money from 99% of your userbase to make 'alternative' 1% at best is going to use at the cost of features of core users is trying to shift. So, above wrong on both counts.
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I believe not, nothing is being moved, only supported. And I'm pretty sure your facts and stats are incorrect. A company like steam will do research to see if they have a good market to make this move. Seeing most people now play games on there phones/tablets because they have their phones/tables on them at all times can only mean that a high number of people will play DOTA on them devices once game play is running smooth. You move with tech not against it in this business.
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99% of gamers don't use window's PCs. Many of them use Linux, Mac, and tablets. And they will be designing Dota2 to work good on tablets, so you cannot say, "It's simply a fact, tablets can't support DotA's UI." That is simply untrue. In fact, I can see it working right now with no change in UI. Currently you can play the game with only the mouse. It's not very easy, but you can. Therefore, you can play DotA 2 on a tablet.
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Good idea, more platforms you support the better. The name of the game is staying in touch with your clients. If you don't then your a fool who about to lose money. Remeber that's what everything is about "money".
Most of today's world is tech users. If you look at it, more and more people are lost in there cell phones then interacting with people for real. Even when they are with people they are still face first in the phones. So allowing us to play our games on our phones and tablets is a great idea as most people are already glued to them devices all day long.
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I'm sure all Dota players would love having players with tablets in their team.
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This. So much this. Elochai above, and other people who support it, tablets SUCK big time in MOBA control schemes, in DotA 2 you need to click several times per second with a mouse very precisely in most fights, how on Earth tablet is going to replicate that? With auto-aim? Auto-cast? There is a thing like too much platforms support bleeding resources and sinking whole ship.
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Cough< "We're going to support L4D with new free content, and we totally just won't make L4D2 quickly instead with all the content from L4D and more, which you need to pay for, dropping any L4D support completely we had at the same time" :>
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There a thing called money. Welcome to the real world where it about making as much money as you can. Ever think that DOTA for tablet won't be linked to PC play? Seen games do that before tablet vs tablet only with no ties to PC versions.
Think of it this way, could be worst, they could make games for tablets 1st and then port them to PC lol. Just like how call of duty makes their games for console 1st and then port them to PC. Making what used to be good PC gaming into crap to play now. (I shall wait for the flames from the cod fans who never got into cod till after it went console to PC port lol)
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I'm guessing you're the one that gets this right. That this a "DOTA Light" or something the like. Played on separate servers.
Although I would be tacitly amused if hardcore DOTA players were spammed with new users that they so despise. Karma's a bitch. All those reported new players and hate-spewing attacks on folks trying to get a handle on things. Lol.
Interesting thread. I'd be all for Steam Mobile, FWIW. Could see myself logging on and playing quite a few casual games on my phone when stuck somewhere. Although offline play would be critical, since that's often when I end up playing...
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newsflash: you can use mouse and keyboard with tablets.
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No it doesn't. The trend is Valve has been pushing more devs to develop games that also run on Linux. Not moving the entire platform to Linux. or pushing them to not develop for PC.
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From reading your replies to other people, you seem to really have a bug up your arse about Gabe and Steam. If it's that bad then just stop using it and stop making misleading forum threads. Saying 'Gabe is getting really desperate to move Steam off Windows' is implying that he's trying to move Steam off Windows completely (thus support will stop and it will no longer exist or run on Windows) rather than he's just apparently supporting another OS to increase his company's coverage. It's his company, he can do what he wants at the end of the day.
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Yeah should be nice, they should implement voice control only, so you can shout: "Kill Juggernaut!" into your microphone and your character simply kills him ^^
Or they should do something like we saw at the E3, were the tablet people have control over special units etc. They should be able to control the trees, butterflys and frogs in the Dota world ;)
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I think you got that backwards buddy. In an FPS game. Someone who can effectively use a controller can literally run circles around a someone using mouse + keyboard. Controllers have that much more freedom. A little example would be 180 spin. Now tell what is more efficient, making a large swipe of the mouse across the pad, maybe twice or pushing the analogue stick to the side. When aiming, moving mouse around a pad is more efficient than moving an analogue stick small distances?
[...]probably released before you were born[...]
Was that an insult to my age? Way to show you can be old and still be immature right? Good work there.
Now back on topic, let me clarify for those who are too slow.
I'm not saying people with DoTA in tablets should be playing against those using PC. It's not efficient to use only mouse? In tablet, everyone will be using the same thing. If we didn't have keyboard commands in DoTA for spamming skills, getting items etc, wouldn't you use just the mouse too? Inefficient? Maybe but considering that everyone would be doing the same thing makes it equal. You examples of cross platform gaming are irrelevant here.
And why the hell am I arguing with some guy over the internet...
/end.
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Pretty sure he tried this and came back already saying that it wasn't possible with current tablet technology. Old news.
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I reckon though that for Dota 2 (or any other "MOBA") to be on a tablet (or even smartphone), it needs to be simplified A LOT (not necessarily the gameplay, but the the UI needs to be). Oh and the servers for the tablet version would have to be separated from the PC/Mac/Linux ones of course.
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Expanding to other Platforms isn't "desperate to move Steam off Windows", if so he already did "move Steam off Windows" because he already expanded to Mac and Linux. Also releasing one of their games to a different platform doesn't indicate nothing about a software policy of the same company.
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Really? well i support Gabe, linux is a nice platform. plus he wont gave up from windows, will just try push the gaming into linux, since the idea of steambox console cames out, and since that one will run on linux, more companys port their games to linux. Anyway Microsoft is going down i think, i see more people buys macs everyday, and now people likes more ps4 than xbox xD im not suprised why Gabe dont wanna any relationship with MS.
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Microsoft is still holding strong in desktop computing, and it looks like the Xbone might have just been slightly salvaged by today's announcement. That said, maybe if more companies like Valve begin to push away from Windows, we could see Linux become a more viable desktop platform.
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LOL
How anyone who played DotA2 once can think this is good idea is beyond me.
TL/DR for some commenters - if you don't see why tablet edition of DotA2 is harebrained idea due to how its UI works or how trying to "expand" (read: move) what is Windows/Mac gaming service to tablets and Linux (instead of improving paying portion) isn't foolish, money wasting enterprise I sadly can't help you.
It would be fine if proceeds from Linux Steam profits paid for work on it, but as it is, Gabe's pet project that will never work (seriously, the fact that Linux TF2 version stopped working at all due to bug was first reported on official forums mere 23 hours after update hit...) is shafting 99% of userbase.
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