Rofl, how is it different from other bundles?
You people think that if it doesn't have "bundle" in the name, then it's something different...?
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Its not a humble bundle, its humble bundle weekly sale.
To all intents and purposes it is the same thing. In my mind Red Faction games, Red Orchestra and Killing Floor should be on the bundle list, but apparently support / staff don't think the same.
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Coupons are limited and need to be earned.. and the Bioshock exploit is exactly that.. exploiting on a mistake.. you can't cover for that. Tell me of any deals on Amazon that was 1$ as is..
The idea is not of the dollar.. but the ratio these deals offer. Humble Weekly keeps bringing 30+/1 ratio which just breaks the system. They said previously that if they did something they would need to track back and do something about Amazon and such other deals too but letting it all go won't make it better. It will only get worse and worse to do nothing about it.
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True, the ratio is pretty high. but they can't just add these games to bundle list after they said they would not. Cause a lot of people based their giveaways on what they said and spent money ($1, $2.85, $6.85 etc...) so it would really hurt if they just added these games to the bundle list and dropped everyone's CV!
and if you think about it, it doesn't really changes anything. I create a 40 point giveaways with $2 and so does the others, therefore everbody's CV (of course I mean people who contribute) increases the same value, so if I want to make a giveaway now, I'd make it with like $1000 CV instead of $100 if it was before the weekly sales. Everyone's CV increases the same as the others, nothing changes. True the amount that it increase is much higher, but everyone's CV is increasing that high, so it's equal to before the weekly sales. I hope I could have explained that well, not sure though.
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But there's actually a cap of $5000 on contributor giveaways, so it can't increase forever. CV inflation is just as silly as real world inflation. I don't think they need to put in the work to sort out all the Amazon, Galastore, etc. bundles from months ago and retro everyone's CVs, but going forward anything that has a PWYW element to it should be put on the list in order to get a handle on this.
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You seem to think that everyone that contributes automatically exploit those, which isn't the case. Thinking that everything is the same and just raise the bar on the Contribution value needed for giveaways is just gonna punish the ones that didn't exploit this weak-link in The system.
And pushing the CV for as little as possible becomes the objective of most people under these conditions instead of the idea of giving away and getting recognized for it.
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and not only does it give the abuser tons of cv for almost nothing, it devalues everybody else's who didn't abuse. The guy who gifted 3 copies of bioshock infinite having the same value vs the one who bought $4 in humble weekly sales. and if you accept the premise that everybody would exploit this if they only saw it(with the assumption that bioshock guy somehow didn't(these are necessary for skylark's idiotic "its just harmless inflation" argument above)) then you're actually discouraging the bioshock guy by making his $180 earn him nothing(ex better odds from cv giveaways) that can't be beaten with $4. Letting that continue is almost like punishing people for following the spirit of the rules.
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It is exploiting/abusing the system. Exploit can have different meanings but the way I use it means..
'takes advantage of a particular vulnerability that the system offers'
The fact that you paid for the games doesn't change anything.. the only reason you're doing so is because of the enormous benefit in CV you get out of it.
The same as been done some months ago with some shitty game that nobody really wanted.. but the CV ratio was so great people bought tons of them to give them away, funny thing is those same people wouldn't even keep a copy for themselves.
The system is sick and to not treat the problem is only gonna make it worse over time.
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Also, do I see someone trying to cheat system giving "collection" of bundle games? It's not even exploiting, it's full on cheating :|
And to think legit givers of Humble Bundle do it in bundled one point giveaways, not hack it apart to grab as many points as they can while violating TOS...
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"True, the ratio is pretty high. but they can't just add these games to bundle list after they said they would not. Cause a lot of people based their giveaways on what they said and spent money ($1, $2.85, $6.85 etc...) so it would really hurt if they just added these games to the bundle list and dropped everyone's CV!"
I would laugh so hard if they do it x)
And it WON'T drop everybody's CV, but only those who abused such promotions. You are basically saying here, that the most important thing for you is getting CV for money - BUYING IT - instead of giving away games.
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Shobo said he would not be adding these games to the bundle list already. At any rate, apparently CG is cooking up something that will take care of this.
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yeah, makes no sense to even have a bundle list if this isn't on it. sure I won't buy the next humble bundle to gift here because it'll be listed.....but I'll buy the equally valued weekly bundle I know will be happening because there is always one happening and abuse that instead. Think about it for 12 seconds and the whole thing falls apart so obviously its ridiculous
but I actually got a reply on that. "The contribution system may be reworked in the next little while which is why we are just continuing with the current system (and all of its flaws) for now."
so its not as stupid like it seems if they're changing the underlying reason to fix this anyway. :) so they're working on it and soon this won't matter(I assume the changes will be retroactive and Shobo seemed to feel theyd solve this).
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I think sooner or later they will have to do this, even though they said they wouldn't when the last sale was active. Either that or they will remove the cv feature completely. The humble sales are ridiculous when it comes to contributor value.
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Better off saying probably not or its unlikely but might if its abused to much.
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No, he doesn't- no one knows the future. I think it depends on whether future HB Weekly's feature previously bundled games or not. If they're more like the last two then I think eventually support will have to re-examine the issue, or CV inflation will get out of control. I probably wouldn't backdate it but going forward I think there should be a clear line in the sand that anything that has a PWYW element to it (e.g. HB Weekly, Gala Store "bundle"), gets put on the list. It's hard to retro GalaStore bundles since it might be hard to find the dates for that after awhile but if they're added as they come up it should assuage most concerns.
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I didn't say I know it, I just said they would have to do it. There are many people who bought 500$ worth of cv for 10$ during the last weekly sale, and now you can do it again (to a slightly lesser degree). 'Humble' is a big name in the gaming industry now and I'm sure this won't be the last weekly sale with top titles. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of non-indie devs would sell older/not successful titles on the humble weekly sale, with digital distribution there is nothing you can lose if games don't sell well anymore anyway.
If they keep the system as it is then the people with a high cv who gift valuable and/or unique games will be outnumbered 100:1 by people who made a cv 'fortune' with humble weekly sale titles - which is not what the cv system should be about.
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We're hit with a big chance to win a nice game :P
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The solution to this problem is easy: get rid of CV and threads like this will disappear.
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No. Like it or not, CV provides an incentive that encourages people to gift games here, rather than just throwing it up on any old forum or giving it to a friend. The CV system needs to be adjusted to account for these Humble Weekly's, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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CV doesn't encourage me to give away games, I give them away because I like the feeling when I do.
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Who cares. You shouldn't. If you don't like these people, then next time you make a giveaway increase your giveaways to $100+. Problem solved. I'd be more upset that people have been here over a year, won several games, and not given back (leechers). More so than people who give something and get high contributor values for it. At least they are giving.
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Here's a solution: Just take away CV on Humble Bundle games while the Humble Bundle is going on, and for a week after. Then, after that week bring back the CV for those games...
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My personal opinion? Everything above 90%. Then the discount curve is rising quick.
But in general this is one core problem of the discussion. There is no "right" solution to this and this is the reason ppl will always complain if you keep a $ CV.
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They were added to the list today. And my contribution from yesterdays giveaways is gone.
Darksiders 1 and 2 were added today as well. Im wondering if the people that gave those last week had the value reduced as well.
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No, they didn't because the games will be devalued at 26.04.2013, which is in the future ;D
But seriously: yes they will be devalued backwards.
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Killing floor isn't in the bundle list. Tomorrow steamgifts will include them in the list. What are their value?
Sorry for my english :S
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