У челика хентай головного мозга, конечно он будет защищать тупой мусор под названием NSFW игры. Соболезную твоему образу жизни.
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I'm really glad they did it. This is how things should have been from the start
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Classic, when you have no arguments whatsoever, you are just gonna substitute the concepts. Your comment isn't even connected to mine. And I've worken in the industry, I've made some games in this field of renowned dev companies, and yet, I'm glad
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My comment is entirely connected to yours since Steam was blackmailed by the payment processors.
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That is just not true. You substitute the concepts. They did incorrect moderation from the start, and they just corrected they mistake after 3rd party notification
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No "moderation" was needed since what was removed isn't illegal. They blackmailed Steam into removing the content.
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Friendly reminder that if i point a gun at you, and i order you to give me your money, I'm not blackmailing you. It's simply a mistake that the money it's in your hands instead of mine, abd a notification is needed to correct the mistake
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Absolutely unintelligible comparison. Friendly reminder, that logic doesn't work this way, and you probably need to study some more, be it in the high school, or in a uni
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Insults are an easy way out when you are wrong. Other people are simply better educated and use arguments instead if insults.
You literally said that Steam was doing "incorrect moderation" and just received a "notification" instead of being forced by payment processors, as they have literally said im a written statement.
When itch.io literally delisted EVERY SINGLE NSFW GAME were they doing because they received a "notification" instead of literally saying they were being forced, as they said in a statement?
Literally, you seem to think that there is some kind of conspiracy and steam and itch are lying? Why would yiu even think that?
Now you can get angry and start throwing insults if you are displeased.
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No, I couldn't care less about what your opinion is, and I don't want to argue with you, trying to persuade you to look at the situation from another perspective. You are a delusional, and that's all. Don't answer me anything pls, didn't know there are notifications
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Wow. Another insult. What an art to be able to use insults to try to win an argument.
I have tried many times to write long walls of texts. A mistake! It's better to create a conspiracy (steam and itch lied. They were not threatened! It's a conspiracy! They lied!) and throw insults to the ones that disagree
I will try from now on to use a thousand insults. Thanks for the idea.
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Цензура или очищение? С таким мусором Steam быстро превращается в помойку. Давно пора. И дело не в самом жанре, а что 99% этих игр - сделанные на коленке сгенерированные помои.
В YT тоже вот недавно в июле все видео, созданные через нейросети, престали вообше монетизироваться.
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Since today is the last day of the elections, I am not going to talk about anything that might become a political commentary. (Maybe I'll get busted.lol🚨👽️😂)
What I must say now is an announcement to the debaters.
(っ´Θ`)╮ =͟͟͞͞🎂 Happy Cakeday♪ malkavian1331!
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I dug a bit and this mess is way deeper than it seems
It's an Australian feminist organization who bragged they removed GTA5 from stores and so many other crazy shit it's even hard to describe
So yes, the games are trash. But someone else might like them and its their problem. These people want to ban fiction like Fifty Shades all the way to banning porn, rap or lingerie ads. The payment processors are just the path they got to their objective.
I don't support Sharia law and won't support the Christian equivalent.
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Yeah, turns out it's the same gang that tried banning Detroit: Become Human back in 2018.
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We can certainly have an honest discussion between gamers and Valve about these games
But ceding to some radical fringe group exploiting payment systems utilization is way too much
And it'll not stop here
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Why would any gamer need to talk to Valve about these games?
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It's a valid point to have an open discussion about ANY sort of games. Existing by itself does not mean it has a right to be on Steam and their policy regarding what's allowed might change over time
That said, I'm not advocating for the removal of these games, my complaint is about the way they were removed and why
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Apparently this time it was connected to right wingers
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Because they're christian?
It's generally the woke left who tries to ban/censor things they don't like. To me, these lunatics are the same
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Because they're right wing and not feminists? Project 2025 specifically wants to ban porn but keep living in your fantasy land where all the feminists are out to get you
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Nah man, I'm not taking your bait here
You wanna have political discussions/show how much you hate Trump or something, you're better served in reddit
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They were literally radical "think of the children" groups
They didn't get any traction. Same people, changed to "think about women". Same people. Same targets.
Suddenly payment processors are bending the knee
Take that as you will
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They sent letters to the payment processors. Probably lied about the content in them too.
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this very group already got GTA V pulled from two major retailers in Australia "because hookers and brutal murder of women" and tried to ban Detroit: Become Human over "violence against women". So, yeah. Probably lies.
And this isn’t just a hypothetical slippery slope. It's their agenda
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YouTube to be part of Australia's youth social media ban
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpv0zkxx0njo
Something that will probably be relevant in the future.
My personal impression is that there are some questionable words and actions by the Australian government itself.
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Under the ban, teenagers will still be able to view YouTube videos but will not be permitted to have an account, which is required for uploading content or interacting on the platform.
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It's unfortunate that we are losing access to these games. I have a few of them in my library. Maybe the publishers or developers can move them to nutaku or something.
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How long before card company can say "I don't like this game with anti-capitalist messages and criticism of the banking sector. Delete them."
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likely not long. but i suspect they'll crack down on lgbtq+ content first, since they're already getting their hands dirty with it federally in the us
this is jack thompson's wet dream.
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it is curious for a basement dweller like you to want to gaslight me. sad to say it's not gonna work, i've already seen through you people's masks. perhaps your enabler parents would be more easily persuaded.
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I'm always amazed by the weak self-esteem and amount of others on this site, who needs to devalue others with insults to raise their self-esteem, same like narcissists do
I'm also baffled how much significance you fantasize into a simple GIF
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Itch.io is being targeted too. https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content
Every. Single. Adult. Game in itch.io has been delisted. Every. Single. One.
Today it's easier and more legal to buy Mein Kampt, literally Hitler's book that many adult games
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Not surprising at all, it was weird to see the comments about "let them go to itch", while they are dependant on the same monopolistic payment processing corps.
Now let's just hope, that after the precedent has been made, payment processors won't make a self-evaluation and find more things they find unsightly.
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401
That's why we need that to pass.
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This was what I feared would happen next, that they'd widen their target to all NSFW games under the sun, now it's just a matter of time for them to go after any LGBT+ content and who knows what's next, that goalpost's gonna keep getting moved.
Given that this was achieved by an advocate group essentially shouting at payment processors until they complied I think in the short term the only available response is to make some serious noise to send the message that this isn't ok, and maybe we as gamers (I hate using that term that way because it sounds so hivemind-y) should start considering making some sort of counter-movement or something. I never thought I was going to be siding with the porn industry in a matter related to morality but we're living in such a fucked up world that this is the position that makes the most sense, what a dystopia.
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Bruh, it took them like a few days to jump from "ban all porn depicting rape" to just straight up "ban all adult content", I think it's justified to panic a little given the circumstances.
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Tbf one was Steam, the other is an indie game platform where anybody can upload games and likely has little to no oversight. In itch.io's case if I remember well it was a preventative step, to build a system of self-declaration of adult content and the type of it.
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This site can help you a lot to find your delisted games.
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This is just thought policing. Fiction is imagination. Banning imagination means there must be consequences for thinking the wrong thoughts. Making it unsellable in major stores is just the first step. What will they do with those that share it for free? These illegal thoughts? Will they be fined? Force to pay for having bad thoughts? Jailed? Jailed for having bad thoughts? Disallowed imagination? I weep for the West. Attacked at all angles by all sides. There is no refuge for someone who wants to enjoy fiction and all of its treasures.
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not even remotely what happened. if a private business doesnt want to be associated with it then they wont. the audacity to think you can make them, purely just because "uh well it's not real so there's no issue" is frankly insane
that said, you are more than welcome to find investors who share your ideas and create a competitor to visa and mastercard, and another one to steam while you're at it
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and another one to steam while you're at it
This alone proves that you didn't even care to understand the situation. Steam doesn't do, or did shit. It just bows down in front of the payment processors who internally decide, what is okay or isn't. There is no need to compete with it, it's not even a player in this situation.
This will be all fun and cackling when the payment processors will change their standing on what is acceptable or not. Not like the US is deporting citizens without due process, and had an indiscriminate purge of "DEI" content on government websites, including historical documents, that only included people of colour and LGBTQ people. I genuinely wonder if corporate has any mechanism to stop the next purital CEO to just basically ban adult content worldwide because of the monopolistic reach, or some similar fun change.
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and why do you think steam "bows down"? because they are acting out of their own interest, which is having payment processors as opposed to not having them lmao. comparing this to anything related to US politics is intellectual dishonesty
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and why do you think steam "bows down"? because they are acting out of their own interest, which is having payment processors as opposed to not having them lmao.
And how this supports or explains your statement, that one should make a competitor to Steam exactly?
comparing this to anything related to US politics is intellectual dishonesty
I did not compare it to the US politics, do you even read stuff you reply to with the intent to understand it? Your replies don't convince me about it, as I was clearly writing in future tense about the possible changes. I can try shorter sentences.
What the US politics has to do with this because both corporations has their centre in the US (Paypal is in California, Mastercard is in New York), and they are subject to the US law, and the government currently is unlawfully aggressive to some groups of people, and ignore their rights. Either of sympathy, or because of a law change in the future, it's not impossible that the fascist ideology of the government will seep into law, as it happened with pre-WW2 Germany and Italy. Then into the payment processors' list of unacceptable content, which blocks basically all money transfer related to it, basically makes it a worldwide "unofficial ban". It's absolutely on the table, if you look at history, and the current path of the States.
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please enlighten me how "US is deporting" or "had an indiscriminate purge" is future tense
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I was clearly writing in future tense about the possible changes.
Weird that you left out the part of my sentence to make it like I made an error.
Let's make this into a learning opportunity about elementary school grammar.
"This will be all fun and cackling when the payment processors will change their standing on what is acceptable or not."
The word "will" makes this sentence future tense, simple future in fact. Please note that this fits my original claim that I wrote about the future changes in future tense.
The next sentence may be too long, but let's try.
"Not like the US is deporting citizens without due process, and had an indiscriminate purge of "DEI" content on government websites, including historical documents, that only included people of colour and LGBTQ people"
The first half has "the US is deporting" which makes it present continuous. Not future.
The second part of the sentence has "and had an indiscriminate purge of "DEI" content on government websites" where the "had" is the past form of the verb "to have", as it is in past tense, but in retrospect I should have used past perfect, as it still has its effects in the present.
Please note that these are not future changes, but already ongoing events, or events that happened in the past.
-Unmarked ICE units taking people off the streets and from restaurants, no due process, technically can't, and don't want to prove that they are illegal immigrants.
-About the indiscriminate purge ("of "DEI" content on government websites", that you conveniently left out from your quote, again, weirdly convenient to twist it) is about the Musk-era cleaning where likely using IA they cleaned articles off - among others - of the Pentagon's site. Including war heroes and small historical events like the dropping of the atomic bombs, because the Enola Gay plane had gay in the name, refences to the first Black military pilots, or removing pictures because who made the picture had the name of Gay. You'll find these informations in the following articles, that you no doubt will not read.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/03/07/enola-gay-aircraft-and-other-historic-items-inaccurately-targeted-under-pentagons-anti-dei-purge/
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/war-heroes-gay-plane-images-flagged-removal-pentagons-dei-purge-rcna195344
You clearly have trouble reading and understanding text, and argue in bad faith and has the style of a brat when it comes to communication.
In the light of this, I have no expectations of you understanding the situation of the topic you're commenting in, as you clearly don't want to read / have issues with understanding even individual sentences, and no grasp on elementary school level grammar. Have a nice weekend.
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It is definitely not "insane". There is no issue because fiction will always only ever be fiction.
Also it is definitely political now.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401/all-info
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This bill places restrictions on certain banks, credit unions, and payment card networks if they refuse to do business with a person who complies with the law. Restrictions include prohibiting the use of electronic funds transfer systems and lending programs, termination of an institution's depository insurance, and specified civil penalties.
Banks and other specified financial institutions are allowed to deny financial services to a person only if the denial is justified by a documented failure of that person to meet quantitative, impartial, risk-based standards established in advance by the institution. This justification may not be based upon reputational risks to the institution.
The bill establishes the right for a person to bring a civil action for a violation of this bill.
so in other words it doesn't apply to cases where a company voluntarily accepts restricting its own services (steam removing games) to comply with payment provider requests
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It's also pretty rare for laws to pass that actually restrict corporations in any meaningful ways. Although with the MAGA civil war going on, who knows? Anything can happen. Often, laws are proposed when a legislator needs to show the people they're representing that they're doing something, even though they know it won't pass.
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Being told "stop selling these products or we pull all funding" isn't voluntary.
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Corporate lawyers against even more well paid corporate lawyers is expensive.
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And i bet two years from now Valve will win the lawsuit.
Then again, Valve will be bankrupt, because they are unable to use visa or mastercard something more than 90% if their customers use.
But sure. Bankrupt but still win.
Itch.io delisting all their NSFW games, every single one, was also voluntary? They could take visa to court. Then again, what one single executive in visa makes is also what itch.io makes in whole year. But sure. Totally voluntary
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fiction will always only ever be fiction
You mean like Jule Vernes novel "From the earth to the moon", right?
Fiction will only be fiction until it becomes reality
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So you think people can 3D print porn and make real life girls?
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realistic sex dolls already exist
I think this is the closest to 3D-printing
Otherwise your question would be like, so you think you can drive with a car to the moon?
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You're the one who claimed that video game characters are real.
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Serously? You seem to have some serious deficiencies to understand, what was being said, when you claim such BS.
You could have even thought about Cosplay or VR Chat, but you went straight up to the stupidest approach.
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"Fiction will only be fiction until it becomes reality" You responded to a comment stating fiction is only ever fiction and claimed it will become a reality. Therefore you think they are real.
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Correct. Fantasy/Fiction often shapes reality. Technology, social constructs, crime. And more besides.
https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/10-star-trek-technologies.htm
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So you're saying everybody who plays GTA is going to go out and murder?
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Judging from your behavior here, I think you might. Perhaps already have.
What is a kegfarm?
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Nobody does. I'm calling out the idea that fiction will lead to people doing what they did in a game.
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Whataboutisms have already been explained to you and aren't a functional basis for debate. It's also worth asking if for you, GTA is a murder simulator or if it's something that happens within the context of other things in the game. Because it seems like you think of GTA as strictly a murder simulator.
And, you're also wrong in your assertion that fiction can't shape reality. Whether violence in games impact the majority is debatable, but they can factually have an impact. Not wanting to accept that they're a factor is on you, not us. You very well may be such a person that this would apply to. Certainly, you have exhibited a higher than normal level of aggression on this thread.
In the case of rape/incest/pedo games however, they only exist because there is a subset of humanity who find those acts sexually exciting. And anybody excited by rape/incest/pedophilia has an emotional attachment to said acts. Making each and every one of them a candidate to attempt them in real life. If they haven't already. This has also already been explained to you.
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That's not what a whataboutism is. It is absolutely not debatable since everybody already knows there is no link between a violent video game and somebody shooting up a school. There is no difference between the two since sexual pleasure and pleasure from entertainment use the same parts of the brain.
People will not go out and murder because they played a violent game or watched a movie. People will not go out and rape because they played a shitty porn game.
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The actual science disagrees with you. Not liking their findings is not relevant.
You wanted facts and you received actual facts. Sorry they don't match your feelings.
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"Actual science" If you can only acknowledge one part of a comment then that means you clearly have no counter to any other point brought up.
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Or I correctly surmise that you aren't concerned with facts.
To be fair, I already knew this, but you have confirmed it.
Anyway, your whataboutisms have been addressed. Your fallacious assertions have been addressed. And the actual distinction between types of games has also been addressed despite the stupidity of the whataboutism. There's really nothing more to discuss.
Don't rage too hard my friend. Cheers!
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Like I said you don't know what whataboutism means. But if you really want it broken down: There's no actual study since there's no sample size listed on it. Not to mention it also says "recommends that further research must be done "
Also there was nothing fallacious and there is no difference since you also never tried to argue against the brain argument.
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since you also never tried to argue against the brain argument.
You know, it's not an argument without evidence. It's just something you claimed a second time without giving sources and it won't make it more true a second time.
It's also a thing you constantly do, even when your claims where refuted before, it's like playing chess with a pigeon.
I once again asked AI and it disagrees with you again:
While sexual pleasure and pleasure from entertainment both activate the brain's reward system, specifically the ventral tegmental area (VTA), nucleus accumbens, and prefrontal cortex, they are not identical and involve different neural pathways and brain structures. Sexual pleasure is also linked to the hypothalamus and limbic system, which play a role in motivation and emotional responses.
And the answer links again to 3 relevant articles about neuroscience, which the answer is based on, but i guess you come rambling again, how shit AI is and your pure assertion holds more truth. Delusional
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Begging people to understand that big companies enacting censorship is a bad thing, even if they're censoring things that you personally dislike. You understand that if they get away with this, they won't stop there, right? You know that this will set a precedence that will let them remove anything they want from sale... Right?
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They went after Mouthwashing and Fear & Hunger on itch.io now. You sure you want to continue being a useful idiot?
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Are you sure it was "them" and not itch itself, like before?
Because Mouthwashing is still available on Steam
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Mouthwashing's game files were removed by the dev in Oct 2024 and the download button has taken you to their Steam page ever since.
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first they came for the hentai games, and i didnt speak out — because i wasnt a hentai fan.
then they...
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https://www.change.org/p/tell-mastercard-visa-activist-groups-stop-controlling-what-we-can-watch-read-or-play?recruited_by_id=b5249890-6a14-11f0-ba60-8dd70d219d3f&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&utm_medium=copylinki
If somebody wants to vote. It seems to be getting some traction
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A fun fact i checked. Steam's total sales revenue was about 10.8 billion of 2024. VISA by itself processed 16 trillion (with a T) dollars in transactions in 2024. All of Steam's total sales would be roughly 0.0065% of just VISA's volume.
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it took less than a week for it to go from "heh this ban will just affect your freaking GOONER games" to now having a popular horror game that tackle objectionable subject material in a serious manner being pulled from websites. genuinely fucked 👍
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I didn't think that the messages from some particularly "smart" users who suggested just starting to buy games on Itch.io at the beginning of the discussion would age so quickly and comically.
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A pretty good summary of the events and current situation: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/whats-going-on-with-steam-and-itchios-crackdown-on-adult-content?mc_cid=c4e83b8045&mc_eid=8dd0eed9b2
And somehow it also manages to confirm most of what I commented previously in this thread. ^_^
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So i stumbled over this:
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/judge-suspects-visa-helped-website-profit-from-child-porn
which explains their zero-tolerance policy and shows governmental authority (in form of the judicial branch) is involved in the whole process, a thing many asked here for
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Your interpretation is complete bs. First and most of all it isn't "governmental authority (in form of the judicial branch) is involved in the whole process" just because one judge was looking into one case in the past.
Furthermore it has nothing to do with current events. And last but not least, NSFW games and actual sex trafficking are not the same.
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One judge is still from the judicative, so who's talking bs here?
And to be precise it's not my interpretion, i took it from that article:
https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/steam-sperrt-schmuddelspiele,3436385.html
For those wondering why credit card companies, of all things, are suddenly acting as moral authorities: It's less about personal convictions and more about tough legal issues.
The decisive turning point came in 2022 in the US , when a court in California found Visa partly responsible for allowing illegally uploaded child abuse videos on Pornhub to be paid for using credit cards – even though the material had long since been removed. The allegation was that Visa hadn't exerted enough pressure on Pornhub to exclude such content in advance.
The ruling came as a shock to the entire payments industry. Since then, Visa and Mastercard have pursued a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to potentially illegal or problematic content. And this doesn't just apply to porn sites: Platforms like OnlyFans, Patreon, and now Steam were suddenly given an ultimatum – along the lines of: Either you follow our rules or we'll stop processing payments for you.
It's even an unrealistic assumption to assume only one judge was involved in everything by now.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-whistleblower-says-mastercard-visa-failed-stop-payments-child-sex-abuse-2025-01-24/
Shows that many federal agencies were already involved
It has nothing to do with current events, because you say so?
Sure, it's different when gooners jerking off to disgusting games, instead of disgusting porn.
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Okay, you are actually fucking clueless.
The concern people expressed about non-governmental entities making their own rules had to do with companies simply coming up with regulations and restrictions that aren't based on any laws. On a whim and overnight, just because some random group pestered payment processors.
And there are indeed no laws that make any of these games illegal. No, not even those about rape or incest. Contrary to sex trafficking.
So when you claim that we got "a thing many asked here for" and that "governmental authority is involved in the whole process" it only shows that you understood absolutely nothing about what people mind and requested.
A governmental authority indeed should establish clear rules and structures about what is legal and not. A judge looking into some porn website once, has absolutely nothing to do with that. It's still companies randomly making up their minds about what is good or bad.
No idea what exactly is so difficult for you to realize about that.
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The concern people expressed about non-governmental entities making their own rules had to do with companies simply coming up with regulations and restrictions that aren't based on any laws.
Welcome to realitiy, every business has a domestic authority called general terms and conditions, which is law of contract. The ones actually being clueless are the people you mentioned.
On a whim and overnight
As i mentioned earlier, Visa had a zero-tolerance policy since years. It just needed a random group, to bring it to Visas attention, because it obviously slipped theirs before.
And as others have pointed out before, these games were also breaking Steams rules and shouldn't been there in the first place, but Steam decided before to be a lazy boner and opened it's storefront to all sorts of trash.
In my opinion Steam is the real culprit here.
it only shows that you understood absolutely nothing about what people mind and requested.
I did and it's a stupid request IMHO, because we already have law of contract in place, as I already explained earlier. A thing people requesting such stuff are getting constantly wrong, talking about blackmail and other BS.
A judge looking into some porn website once, has absolutely nothing to do with that.
You heard about judgments leading the way? One judgement being an example, which can lead to a row of identical ones.
It's still companies randomly making up their minds about what is good or bad.
That's a bit of a random accusation, given that they orientate on what the majority of society thinks is good or bad. Democracy, you know?
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"these games were also breaking Steams rules" could you please tell me which rules Vile: Exhumed', which has it's objectional content in text form only, were breaking? https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/vile-exhumed-steam-removed-sexual-content Please point me to the exact rules they were breaking, please.
Since you seem to believe words can break rules, I guess you would support Visa and mastercard banning books, right? After all there are many, many books with questionable content, specially sexual content, right? Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita, Oscar Wilde's portrait of Dorian Gray, Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn adventures, Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis, Sade's D.H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley, George Orwell's 1984, Salman Rushdie's Satanic verses, o Madonna's Sex, for starters. What kind of literature is Madonna's Sex,anyway? BAN IT! Then the second wave of banning. Harem literature books? All banned. Female books with a spicy cover, which is a huge percentage of today's book sales? Banned! Books where authors explore their sexual traumas? Banned. LGTBI books where authors explore their sexual coming out as teenagers? Banned!
I am so tired of those books polluting libraries, and taking space of company-approved book content. I hope Visa and Mastercard also start with their zero-tolerance policy and start banning all those books. It's fsr better to let these huge entities to decide which games we can play, and which books we can read. That way nobody will even think about creating these kind of games and these kind of books. A pity payment processors were not there before, to put legal rules over which books could be written in history or which games could be created.
Or we could also make a poll. After all, the amount of people that want to kill Salman Rushdie and burn every single copy of Satanic verses is millions. Far more than the amount that care about the book. We should do it. Let it burn. Let's do it. Democracy! Marqués of Sade and Oscar Wilde also went to prison for going against the majority of society. Marjane Satrapi had to flee her country for going against the majority ofbher society. Salman Rushdie was shot. They should learn to not go against the majority of society. Long live SuperEarth democracy
You agree, correct?
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I'm not Steam, ask them.
Since you seem to believe words can break rules
On which term is this accusation founded? I never wrote of words and/or books. Or is it just another straw man, deflecting from the original discussion?
And then going on about books, hello straw man.
Conveniently leaving out how controversial these dark romance books are discussed.
Also not mentioning American Express and Google or Apply Pay, who refuses to process payments for adult content, but suddenly you only blame Visa and Mastercard.
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"these games were also breaking Steams rules" "I'm not Steam"
YOU were the one that said those games were breaking steam rules. Are you saying those games were not breaking steam rules?
So, which is it? They were breaking steam rules or not? You said they were breaking them in the first place.
"I never wrote of words and/or books""Welcome to realitiy, every business has a domestic authority called general terms and conditions, which is law of contract" YOU were the one saying payment processors could put ban anything they want, and defended Visa had a zero-tolerance policy, because it's a business, and they can ban what they decide. Sorry, I don't get it. Do you support payment processors to have the ability to ban what they want, like controversial games or controversial books, yes or not? It's easy, "no, I don't want payment processors to have such power to decide what we can read or what we can play" "yes, it's s business, they can ban whatever they want". Si, which is it?
"Conveniently leaving out how controversial these dark romance books are discussed" sooooo, if tomorrow payment processors decided to ban tall those books, would you support it? I want you to say clearly if you support banning those books or not. After all, they are controversial. Exactly like Vile: Exhumed.
"they orientate on what the majority of society thinks is good or bad. Democracy, you know? "Again, you say you support payment processors banning games or books they want, because they are controversial, including Vile: Exhumed? .Is that correct? I want you to say clearly you support payment processors banning Vile: Exhumed, or banning Madonna's Sex or banning Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita or bannimg Salman Rushdie's Satanic verses. After all far, far more people in the world want to ban Salman Rushdie's Satanic verses than Vile: Exhumed. It's literally what you have been defending over and over.
"Also not mentioning American Express and Google or Apply Pay, who refuses to process payments for adult content, but suddenly you only blame Visa and Mastercard" "what? You are complaining suddenly there is a dictatorship in the whole world!?! There has always been a dictatorship in North Korea? Why are you complaining when censorship went to 1% to 99% in the world? It's literally the same!!!"
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YOU were the one that said those games were breaking steam rules.
In fact I was the one who said, that OTHERS pointed out, that these games were breaking Steam rules, maybe ask them?
Again, wrong accusations and framing.
YOU were the one saying payment processors could put ban anything they want
Like AMEX or Google and Apple Pay already do, yes. Even, if "anything" is a bit far fetched, framing detected.
And i don't know, why you are citing "I never wrote of words and/or books" which i wrote in a complete other context to counter your unfounded accusation and which you didn't answered yet.
Again, you say you support payment processors banning games or books they want, because they are controversial, including Vile: Exhumed? .Is that correct?
No, I didn't said that exactly, i just explained how they operate, since people here seem to have a hard time understanding this.
You are complaining suddenly there is a dictatorship in the whole world!?!
Are we suddenly at mental gymnastics, huh?
Dictatorship, because you can't buy disgusting porn on Steam anymore? Thats a real unworthy statement towards people living under real dictatorship.
And just more unfounded assumptions, where did I complained about dictatorship or censorship? You even brought that up, when i asked something completly different.
But I get it, you people know better what I think and believe. /s
And with all that weird and wrong accusations and assumptions, false conclusions, twisting facts, framing, Whataboutism and straw mans, a really stupid level of discussion.
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"these games were also breaking Steams rules" those were your words. I don't know if you copied them or what. But you wrote that.
You didn't say other people wrote that. You wrote with a lot of Emphasis They broke the rules. These are literally your words. So if you wrote they broke the rules, i am asking you to tell me which rules they broke. You can't just say words and then inmediately say you didn't mean it or they are from somebody else. You wrote it. At least own your own words.
"AMEX or Google and Apple" again? You are desperate to talk about 1% of the market. They are not 95% if the market. Those companies have not forced steam or itch.io to ban anything
"Dictatorship, because you can't buy a" It's called an example of going from 1% to 99% and saying it's the same. I could have used an example of water.
"they orientate on what the majority of society thinks is good or bad. Democracy, you know? " You haven't answered. Again, you seem to imply that you support payment processors banning games or books they want, because they are controversial, including Vile: Exhumed? .Is that correct? I want you to say clearly you support payment processors banning Vile: Exhumed, or banning Madonna's Sex or banning Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita or bannimg Salman Rushdie's Satanic verses. After all far, far more people in the world want to ban Salman Rushdie's Satanic verses than Vile: Exhumed. Id it's democracy, many, many books would have been burnt.
Please don't avoid the question and answer.
"Conveniently leaving out how controversial these dark romance books are discussed" agsin, you haven't answered. if tomorrow payment processors decided to ban tall those books, would you support it? I want you to say clearly if you support banning those books or not. After all, they are controversial. Exactly like Vile: Exhumed.
Please don't avoid the question and answer.
""Welcome to realitiy, every business has a domestic authority called general terms and conditions, which is law of contract" so, so you support saying payment processors to have the ability to ban anything they want, because it's a business, and they can ban what they decide? Please answer. You keep avoiding answering where yiu stand. Do you support payment processors to have the ability to ban what they want, like controversial games or controversial books, yes or not? It's easy, "no, I don't want payment processors to have such power to decide what we can read or what we can play" "yes, it's s business, they can ban whatever they want". So, which is it?
Please don't avoid the question and answer
You have written so much without even saying if you personally support them. It's heavily implied. But you never say it.
I disagree with collective shout. But st least they are clear they want to ban anything they want. Your attitude to apparently want also to ban but not saying it aloud seem cowardly.
Let's make an example of a single game. It's easy. Do you support payment processors tl have the ability to ban Vile: Exhumed?
Please don't avoid the question and answer
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Yeah, keep citing that half-sentence, which is out of context this way. Framing again?
Or try again with reading comprehension.
Seriously, you come up with an Whataboutism and demanding answers? I'm not here to discuss that with you.
I don't care about all your other BS anymore, this discussion is far below my level
That's also, why I don't want to discuss the different nuances of my opinion, which is way to complicated for most people on this topic to understand and I'm not keen on explaining things to pigeons.
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"And as others have pointed out before, these games were also breaking Steams rules and shouldn't been there in the first place, but Steam decided before to be a lazy boner and opened it's storefront to all sorts of trash" This is literally thw whole paragraph.
You have said, in agreement with others, i don't know who, that those games were "breaking Steams rules ". So it's easy to ask, which rules? For example, Vile: Exhume. It's only words. You only read.so which rules they are breaking. It's basically a book.
"this discussion is far below my level" Collective shout wants tl ban anything they want. But at least they are upfront about it. To support banning games, but to refuse to say it aloud, sounds cowardly
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OTHERS pointed out, that these games were breaking Steam rules!
Maybe i missed the that, but that sentence should be clear to understand even without it. ffs
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"And AS OTHERS have pointed out before, these games were also breaking Steams rules and shouldn't been there in the first place, but Steam decided before to be a lazy boner and opened it's storefront to all sorts of trash" This is literally thw whole paragraph"
Iyou didn't say others, but AS OTHERS. Let's see English rules.
Sorry for the IA:
"Detached observation vs. joining a consensus
Without as:
Others pointed out the solution was risky.
(No suggestion that you agree or disagree.)
With as:
As others pointed out, the solution was risky.
(You’re aligning yourself with the viewpoint of those others.)
Impersonal statement vs. persuasive reinforcement
Without as
Others pointed out a flaw in the argument.
(Neutral.)
With as:
As others pointed out, there’s a flaw in the argument.
(Your phrasing suggests “this is not just my opinion — others agree, so it carries more weight.”)"
Ok, i get it. You screwed up saying that. It's easier to just admit it. Nobody is perfect.
Sooo, let's see others things you wrote. If you just made a mistake, just tell me.
"they orientate on what the majority of society thinks is good or bad. Democracy, you know? " You haven't answered. Again, you seem to imply that you support payment processors banning games or books they want, because they are controversial, including Vile: Exhumed? .Is that correct? I want you to say clearly you support payment processors banning Vile: Exhumed, or banning Madonna's Sex or banning Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita or bannimg Salman Rushdie's Satanic verses. After all far, far more people in the world want to ban Salman Rushdie's Satanic verses than Vile: Exhumed. Id it's democracy, many, many books would have been burnt.
Please don't avoid the question and answer.
"Conveniently leaving out how controversial these dark romance books are discussed" agsin, you haven't answered. if tomorrow payment processors decided to ban tall those books, would you support it? I want you to say clearly if you support banning those books or not. After all, they are controversial. Exactly like Vile: Exhumed.
Please don't avoid the question and answer.
""Welcome to realitiy, every business has a domestic authority called general terms and conditions, which is law of contract" so, so you support saying payment processors to have the ability to ban anything they want, because it's a business, and they can ban what they decide? Please answer. You keep avoiding answering where yiu stand. Do you support payment processors to have the ability to ban what they want, like controversial games or controversial books, yes or not? It's easy, "no, I don't want payment processors to have such power to decide what we can read or what we can play" "yes, it's s business, they can ban whatever they want". So, which is it?
Please don't avoid the question and answer
Let's make an example of a single game. It's easy. Do you support payment processors tl have the ability to ban Vile: Exhumed?
Please don't avoid the question and answer
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So where is Steam and Valve mentioned in that news article?
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Are you being plain stupid again?
You had problems to understand casual relationships in the past, why don't you leave the discussions to the adults?
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You linked to an article about CP when it has nothing to do with what happened to Steam. Steam had fictional content, not actual porn like Pornhub.
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Seems like Visa doesn't care, if you differ between fictional and real disgusting porn, they don't and it falls under their zero-tolerance policy, violating their terms of service, case closed.
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Sorry, i just want to see if I understand you correctly. Since fictional porn is bad, any book that has any kind of porn, or what any censor believes it's "pornographic, which again, it's fiction, you think it falls under their zero-tolerance policy, violating their terms of service, and it should be banned. You say you support that?
Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita, J. G. Ballard's Crash, Pauline Réage's Story or oMarjane Satrapi's Persepolis, Sade's Justine, D.H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley, Henry Miller's Tropico George Orwell's 1984, James Joyce's Ulisses, Anaïs Nin's Venus, Marguerite Duras' Lover, o Madonna's Sex, for starters. What kind of literature is Madonna's Sex,anyway? BAN IT! Harem literature books? All banned. Female books with a spicy cover, which is a huge percentage of today's book sales? Banned! Books where authors explore their sexual traumas? Banned. LGTBI books where authors explore their sexual coming out as TEENAGERS? That's literally child porn !!!!! Banned!
Is that correct? You support that? I would like you to say if you support banning those books, since apparently you support their zero-tolerance policy
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We're riding that Whataboutism aren't we?
And it's not about simple porn, it's about the disgusting kind, twisting facts again and trying to frame me.
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"it's not about simple porn, it's about the disgusting kind" we have gone to zero tolerance to tolerance of nice sex now? And who decides what is the disgusting kind?
You? Me? Payment processors?
The problem is that you keep trying to avoid answering simple questions, so nobody can accuse you of anything. You keep talking and talking, but you always try to avoid to make your stand clear.
Let's try again: since you defend over and over the zero tolerance policy"
Do you support payment processors banning Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita? Literally, he created the term Loli. It's easy, yes or no?
Do you support payment processors banning J. G. Ballard's Crash? It's far more "disgusting" than 95% of the games that were bsnned. t's easy, yes or no?
Do you support payment processors banning Pauline Réage's Story or o? It's far more "disgusting" than 95% of the games that were bsnned. It's easy, yes or no?
Do you support payment processors D.H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley? It's literally a porn novel. It's far more "disgusting" than 95% of the games that were banned. t's easy, yes or no? It's easy, yes or no?
Do you support payment processors banning Madonna's Sex? High definition shots of Madonna doing dirty deeds. You think that's ok but furry sister 3 should be banned??? It's easy, yes or no?
Do you support payment processors banning Female books with a spicy cover, which is a huge percentage of today's book sales? It's easy, yes or no? Yoibwere complaining they were "controversial"
Do you support payment processors banning Harem literature books. It's the writing equivalent if many if thebgsmes banned. It's easy, yes or no?
Do you support payment processors banning Books where authors explore their sexual traumas? It's literally Vile: Exhumed. It's easy, yes or no?
Do you support payment processors banning LGTBI books where authors explore their sexual coming out as TEENAGERS?. It's easy, yes or no?
At least try to not avoid the questions and answer it, so we can all see where you stand. It sounds cowardly to support censorship while trying to avoid saying aloud you personally support censorship.
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Looks like Indiegala nuked their entire Adult section. Or is that old news?
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Reindexing adult NSFW content - Developer Updates - itch.io
https://itch.io/t/5149036/reindexing-adult-nsfw-content
Itch.io starts reindexing free NSFW content
https://www.engadget.com/gaming/pc/itchio-starts-reindexing-free-nsfw-content-152431716.html
Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
https://kotaku.com/mastercard-denies-pressuring-steam-to-censor-nsfw-games-2000614393
Update🤔 I wonder what will happen to Steam?
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I hate to say, i told you so, but, i really, really told you so
Game Devs Say That Itch's Adult Content Ban Is Targeting Lesbian Games, Even If They're Safe For Work https://archive.is/JQStA
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Попытка осмыслить цензуры в стиме из-за требований платёжных операторов
Леди и джентельмены мы с вами могли заметить и пронаблюдали новости про удаление ряда нишевых игр из стима у которых были слишком провокационные название и они в целом были посвящены фетишам "Incest" и "Slave".
Примеры подтверждаюшие новости:
https://steamdb.info/app/3484360/ - Interactive Sex - Incest Daughters
https://steamdb.info/app/3395190/ - Sex Adventures - Incest Family - Episode 1
https://steamdb.info/app/3095940/ - Incest
https://steamdb.info/app/2118600/ - Prison
https://steamdb.info/app/3134610/ - Slave Of The Police Officer
Однако присмотревшись к тем событиям я заметил ещё что фетишей которые могут пострадать в разы больше. В их число точно входит "Non-consensual sex" и скорее всего "Guro".
Примеры подтверждающие теорию:
https://steamdb.info/app/3521860/ - Wolf on Rail
https://steamdb.info/app/1573060/ - NejicomiSimulator Vol.1 (Gapping, Amputee sex slave, Petrify, Time Stop)
Сегодня же пострадали не треш игры:
Задели издателя WASABI entertainment и в его случае не помогло то что 18+ контент он выкладывал отдельно в форме бесплатного DLC. Примеры:
https://steamdb.info/app/1056050/ - LONGING RING OF ESCA
https://steamdb.info/app/1997130/ - Paze Knight Ellen and the Dungeon town Sodom
https://steamdb.info/app/3130080/ - Prison Break Princess
https://steamdb.info/app/1964670/ - Succubus in Wonderland
Также сильно пострадал издатель оверпрайс новелл PRODUCTION PENCIL примеры:
https://steamdb.info/app/2101460/ - Cuckold Princess
https://steamdb.info/app/2522560/ - Sister X Slaves
https://steamdb.info/app/3078910/ - Sisters Z Hypnosis
https://steamdb.info/app/2744350/ - Tutor X Hypnosis 2
Пострадал издатель Dieselmine. Примеры:
https://steamdb.info/app/2862430/ - Brainwashing with Tentacles R
https://steamdb.info/app/3038870/ - Fallen Princess Knight
https://steamdb.info/app/2409130/ - Heavenly Badonkers Angel ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
Видна тенденция в которой скорее всего пострадают все метроидвании / экшен РПГ. Примеры:
https://steamdb.info/app/1322310/ - Guilty Hell: White Goddess and the City of Zombies
https://steamdb.info/app/2082810/ - MAGICAL ANGEL FAIRY PRINCESS
https://steamdb.info/app/2151480/ - SusRitual
К чему я веду. Если вдруг у вас есть в вишлисте игры которые вы хотите купить и в них фигурируют те же или схожие фетиши и вы действительно хотите их иметь в своей библиотеке, то мне кажется что не стоит откладывать покупку этих игр.
Повлиять на ситуацию мы с вами не можем, поэтому и переживать лишний раз не нужно. Помните что для того чтобы пройти игру её не обязательно покупать в стиме... Её можно совершенно случайно найти в интернете!
Жертвы 18.07.2025:
Относительно слабый и неизвестный мне издатель новелл "F&C".
https://steamdb.info/app/2725150/ - NTR with hypnosis application
https://steamdb.info/app/2473050/ - Sexual punishment for married girl who shoplifts
https://steamdb.info/app/2579580/ - Sakaza village's indecent festival, defiled shrine maiden sisters
Интересный экземпляр. Игра плохая и плакать о ней никто не будет, но на её примере видно что банит игры не слепой алгоритм, так как в названии нет намёка на забаненные фетиши, но он затрагиваются в самом геймплее.
https://steamdb.info/app/3176300/ - Newlywed female teacher Miri
Точно фиксируется что слово гипноз стало триггером для запрета
https://steamdb.info/app/2418550/ - My Hypnotized Family [Episode 1]
Понимаем что даже если у тебя в название нет слова инцест, но есть отсылка к членам семьи, то ты тоже в зоне риска
https://steamdb.info/app/3541280/ - Isekai Mom Stories
Первая жертва издателя 072
Train Capacity 300% - https://steamdb.info/app/2441570/
Пострадали невинный инди разработчик
https://steamdb.info/app/2645820/ - Back to the Fooker: Zombie Fooker 2
Первые жертвы издателей Playmeow, ACG creator
https://steamdb.info/app/3122890/ - Dark Dominance Chain Control
https://steamdb.info/app/1778320/ - Harem of Nurses
https://steamdb.info/app/1994070/ - Slave Doll
An attempt to understand censorship in steam due to the requirements of payment operators
Ladies and gentlemen, you and I may have noticed and have seen the news about the removal of a number of niche games from Steam that had overly provocative titles and were generally dedicated to the fetishes of "Incest" and "Slave". Examples confirming the news:
https://steamdb.info/app/3484360/ - Interactive Sex - Incest Daughters
https://steamdb.info/app/3395190/ - Sex Adventures - Incest Family - Episode 1
https://steamdb.info/app/3095940/ - Incest
https://steamdb.info/app/2118600/ - Prison
https://steamdb.info/app/3134610/ - Slave Of The Police Officer
However, having looked closely at those events, I also noticed that there are many more fetishes that can suffer. These definitely include "Non-consensual sex" and most likely "Guro".
Examples confirming the theory:
https://steamdb.info/app/3521860/ - Wolf on Rail
https://steamdb.info/app/1573060/ - NejicomiSimulator Vol.1 (Gapping, Amputee sex slave, Petrify, Time Stop)
Today, it was not trash games that suffered:
The publisher WASABI entertainment was affected and in his case, it did not help that he posted 18+ content separately in the form of free DLC. Examples:
https://steamdb.info/app/1056050/ - LONGING RING OF ESCA
https://steamdb.info/app/1997130/ - Paze Knight Ellen and the Dungeon town Sodom
https://steamdb.info/app/3130080/ - Prison Break Princess
https://steamdb.info/app/1964670/ - Succubus in Wonderland
The publisher of overpriced novels PRODUCTION PENCIL also suffered greatly examples:
https://steamdb.info/app/2101460/ - Cuckold Princess
https://steamdb.info/app/2522560/ - Sister X Slaves
https://steamdb.info/app/3078910/ - Sisters Z Hypnosis
https://steamdb.info/app/2744350/ - Tutor X Hypnosis 2
Publisher Dieselmine suffered. Examples:
https://steamdb.info/app/2862430/ - Brainwashing with Tentacles R
https://steamdb.info/app/3038870/ - Fallen Princess Knight
https://steamdb.info/app/2409130/ - Heavenly Badonkers Angel ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
A trend is visible in which most likely all metroidvanias / action RPGs will suffer. Examples:
https://steamdb.info/app/1322310/ - Guilty Hell: White Goddess and the City of Zombies
https://steamdb.info/app/2082810/ - MAGICAL ANGEL FAIRY PRINCESS
https://steamdb.info/app/2151480/ - SusRitual
What I'm getting at. If suddenly you have games on your wishlist that you want to buy and they feature the same or similar fetishes and you really want to have them in your library, then I think you shouldn't put off buying these games.
We can't influence the situation, so there's no need to worry too much. Remember that you don't have to buy the game on Steam to complete it... You can find it completely by accident on the Internet!
Victims 07/18/2025:
A relatively weak and unknown to me publisher of F&C novels.
https://steamdb.info/app/2725150/ - NTR with hypnosis application
https://steamdb.info/app/2473050/ - Sexual punishment for married girl who shoplifts
https://steamdb.info/app/2579580/ - Sakaza village's indecent festival, defiled shrine maiden sisters
An interesting example. The game is bad and no one will cry about it, but its example shows that it is not a blind algorithm that bans games, since the title does not hint at banned fetishes, but they are touched upon in the gameplay itself.
https://steamdb.info/app/3176300/ - Newlywed female teacher Miri
It is precisely recorded that the word hypnosis became a trigger for the ban
https://steamdb.info/app/2418550/ - My Hypnotized Family [Episode 1]
It is confirmed that even if you do not have the word incest in your title, but there is a reference to family members, then you are also at risk
https://steamdb.info/app/3541280/ - Isekai Mom Stories
Publisher 072 - First Victim
Train Capacity 300% - https://steamdb.info/app/2441570/
An innocent indie developer suffered
https://steamdb.info/app/2645820/ - Back to the Fooker: Zombie Fooker 2
Publisher Playmeow, ACG creator also suffered from censorship for the first time
https://steamdb.info/app/3122890/ - Dark Dominance Chain Control
https://steamdb.info/app/1778320/ - Harem of Nurses
https://steamdb.info/app/1994070/ - Slave Doll
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