that he doesn't need twitch and twitch is bullshit anyway
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Well that's a ridiculous statement...
Twitch brings a massive amount of publicity any game and especially a game like this, which relies on its interesting concept as marketing, instead of buying actual ad-space.
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I think monopolies (or quasi-monopolies) are bad. If Twitch/Amazon was just one platform among others it wouldn't be an issue. But they reaped like 90% of the streaming market share and now they can pretend to be the internet game police.
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@OP you're just 1 year late LOL.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/1/22/10815594/yandere-simulator-banned-twitch-reddit
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The video's new, what are you on about. The problem is not that the game was banned, but that twitch don't want to say anything or even answer back to him, which is kinda shitty.
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Sounds like free promotion for yandere sim, dev no need to be mad about ;)
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Well, I couldn't see that earlier, since you obviously edited your comment after my comment. That's why the asterisk is next to the time.
Okay... so from what you've written, everything is either nonsensical or just factually wrong.
"Popular music" can't be played due to copyright laws to protect from theft. They're strict, but still.
Selling merchandise with your logo and colors is something that's awful? So why do you wear any brand products? Why do you wear Nike, Reebok, Puma, Adidas, Vans, Converse and so on? Those are literally the same things. It's just that you don't like the color and/or the idea of Twitch mainly being a streaming service.
So about the game.
How is it cliché? Is that you just trying to think of generic words to make it look bad? I don't know too many games that have you play as a Yandere. If you do, please let me know. Of course make sure that they're not just VNs.
How is it cringy? Is it because it's anime? If so, then you've already essentially just forfeited that point.
How is it genocide? Violence is not the only way to achieve your goals. You know that, right? Well, of course you do, otherwise you'd have to admit that you're talking out of your ass.
Also, if violence is an issue, then why'd you upload that picture of you running people over in SR2? Why do you own TF2? Warframe? Killing Floor? Super Monday Night Combat? Dota 2? L4D2? GTA: Episodes From Liberty City? MK Komplete Edition? HL2? PD: The Heist?
All of these games involve violence. Also, an argument could be made that 3 of those games are "cringy". 2 of them look like cartoons, just like Yandere Simulator. So... what's the issue here? What is the issue?
I won't tell you who the original commenter was, but this is what they commented:
"Its a cringy anime cliche genocide simulator, it was bound to happen and im glad it happened, i just wish there were more things that could be done to stop its growth. Although i will agree that it is partialy dumb to allow other games of similar content as youve mentioned, doesnt excuse the game though. But twitch sucks either way with the spreading of the purple t-shirts and rules that prevent you from using popular music and the like."
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😆 nice chain to follow from the start . . . felt like the original poster (not gonna mention the name) was just writing out of emotions at the moment and didn't look at the points he made and the parallels that one could make between that comment and his own steam profile that is open to all
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Does that have anything to do with pantyshoting underaged characters? Not that they are actually underaged, but maybe Twitch staff doesn't know that.
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The dev claims that there are other games with similar mechanics (pantyshots and skimply dressed underage characters) that are not banned.
I don't necesarily like or condone those mechanics, but it's a game, I guess, and there's no actual nudity. Also he argues their are not the focus of the game but a tool for the player.
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So if you're not the developer and you don't even care about the game, why are you making a post about it? What's in it for you?
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The point isn't the game itself or its ban
The point is the absence of an explanation
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They don't need to. But it is pretty suspicious that they don't want to do so.
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Well, as long as it's their platform, they can do anything they want without having to justify their actions. They're not some crowdsourced company that has to publish all their actions to the users/developers.
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Very true. That doesn't change the fact however that a lot of people find it suspicious that they don't want to say what's going on.
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They don't have to explain everything. But there's a lot of people whose livelyhood depends on twitch and the company being opaque might cause some friction.
Not to mention, that we, as consumers, and he, as the developer of the banned game, are completely entitled to ask for explanations in order to make better decisions.
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We, as consumers, have nothing to do with this. Voicing our opinions doesn't change a company's policies. The fact that Twitch/Amazon isn't providing any details regarding the removal of the game can easily mean that they do not want that game on their service, ever, regardless of what the developer wants.
And that is perfectly reasonable.
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That I don't like the precedent it sets as twitch can pull any game they don't like out of it (which they can do, they are a company) but that they can start pulling an MPAA and vetting movies because of their budget, of asinine criteria( beheading people is good and killing people is ok as long a there not too much blood, even for children. Violence is good, sexuality (not even sex, sexuality, is bad) .
Another game, which I don't find inherently bad too and that is banned, is genital jousting. And I don't like how lately advertisers are dictating more and more what content goes to these platform (which is I understand where the logic comes from, I just don't like it)
Anyhow, what Rhlor said.
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Twitchs house, Twitchs rules... end of story!
Some people forget that the universe doesn't exist to be fair and if Twitch decides to hide the reason then it's their right...
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Yeah, the ToS for Twitch isn't implemented well, no big news here. By them games like GTA Saint's Row, Mortal Kombat and many other AAA titles should be banned but obviously they won't because it will deeply cut into their profits. They obviously won't comment about their decision because it would blantantly open them up for criticisms they couldn't ignore anymore. As it they can just spew "Oh, look at the ToS" through support and not do anything.
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The dev in the video doesn't take context into account at all. Comparing their game to South Park is pointless at best, and a disingenuous at worst. No one would ever take South Park seriously, everything from the art style to the way the story is presented screams satire.
Now, I don't know anything about his game other than what was shown in the video, but I gotta say, that was kinda disturbing. Watching young kids run around in school, stabbing each other in the neck? Or tying them up and torturing them?! Maybe there's a humorous or satirical reason to why those events happen... but just based on what he showed it looked real bad. Like Hatred bad.
Obviously Twitch shouldn't stonewall him and say nothing. That part is messed up but I don't buy that he doesn't get why it was banned. Context matters and that's the reason why Hatred is on the list but Call of Duty isen't. The player is essentially doing the same thing in both but the context and focus for each is very, very different.
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Context is given to the situation by the player . . . because in a sense the game is a sandbox.
As the dev pointed out . . . violence is an option.
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That's a good point but on the other hand, you could potentially play Hatred without firing a bullet too. That doesn't really shift the focus of what that game is if you ask me. It all depends on how those choices are presented and what the game focuses on.
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Do you find The Binding of Isaac, The Punisher and Hotline Miami disturbing like that? (Maybe even Manhunt)
Or is it just solely the school setting and the "age" of the "characters"?
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No, it's not solely those things. It's everything around it too. That's my point.
I'd argue that The Binding of Isaac and Hotline Miami is primarily about the gameplay. Neither game tries to be realistic and instead goes for a more stylized art style. The story is sort of in the background of both of them too. So, I would say that those games are about the gameplay first and foremost.
Manhunt on the other hand, that's a game that was sold on the premise that it was so "edgy" and dark. That was the clearly the focus of that particular game. Not the gameplay, story or anything else. In fact the gameplay is kinda terrible, it's not a particularly fun game to play and without the violence aspect - I doubt many would remember it to this day. That's what separates that game from the others. It's focus and the context of everything it's presenting to the player. Not one specific part of it.
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I can see some of your arguments, and might even agree with some of them, but having been to Japan and sampled their culture, I believe you are mistaking your cultural norms for theirs (but I could be wrong of course). Based upon the style of of the game, I would argue that, simply from a cultural perspective, this game is also primarily about the gameplay and does not try to be be realistic and instead goes for a more stylized art style - that of anime/manga - I believe that anime is to most a visually distinct form of animation that cannot be minsconstrued as being real life - whereas some of the games on steam such as GTA or others of that kind, use animation based upon normal body forms closer to that of real life. Again though, this is just an opinion based on having been to Japan and noting that this is a favoured style of game.
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I wouldn't personally say I feel like Yandere Sim is going for a realistic style . . . And that the context doesn't hurt as long as the mechanics are solid from the gameplay side. Could be a decent Hitman-like game with questionable age and actions.
But anywho to each their own 🙃. I did enjoy this short conversation tho 🤡
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hmmm then let us look at your games and comment on them in the same manner - oh sorry private profile at time of writing so cannot see what games you play - tell me, if it were men running around doing the same thing would it bother you as much - or is it just that it is women doing it that causes the issue? As I can note many other games that, if viewed in a similar context, do exactly the same thing just with men :P just intrigued as to what was so disturbing - when compared to hacking people to death with guns and knives in other games ?
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The age of the characters and the stereotypical school setting makes is what makes it disturbing. The gender of the characters doesn't matter one bit, not sure why you'd think that.
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good - pleased to hear it - it was not me thinking anything - if you note I asked a question regarding what was disturbing you specifically, and wondered if it was that the women were doing the actions - now if you can tell us the actual age of the characters - as I cannot see where that is stated and all anime characters appear to be this way irrespective of their age (I have seen seen anime characters in their 40s styled in the same way(; and most Japanese people finish senior secondary education so could be any age range) - are you implying something about their age specifically? - also, given that the game is set in a school, it would be hard pressed not to set a stereotypical view of a school - that is like saying that a multiplayer style game is stereotypical because it is set in an arena style map! Please note that I have no feelings on the game myself, merely find it worrying that people have issues with one type of game, perhaps because it does not fit with their cultural norm, but have no problem with say a game that encourages the shooting of people, or the burning/hacking of people to death - seems somewhat the same with this game, just set in another countries cultural norms. But without knowing the normal games you play I cannot say for sure what you consider to be normal or not - always interested though :)
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Anime character tend to look young, sure... You could argue that's a cultural thing but it doesn't really change anything. They still look young. The school setting also helps to set their age. They both look young and are in a setting where you most of the time find young people... obviously that means most people get an idea about what age the characters are supposed to be. Saying they are much older than they look doesn't really change anything.
The setting also makes it disturbing due to the fact that violent events have happened at schools in real-life. That's just a sad fact.
I know that for me at least, if this wasn't set in a school it would be far less disturbing. That's part of what I meant with that the context matters.
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I'm sorry - but I think that this says more about how you are choosing to view the game, and your feelings about the game and the age of the characters. I do not see the game this way, so believe that this is where my misunderstanding of your characterisation of the game is coming from. Having been to Japan, I no longer see anime in this way; especially after having seen decades of similar art spanning all age ranges - as for the violence in school argument, I think that is disingenuous, as games like GTA (there are others but lets stick with a theme), show violence in cities in a much more graphic and extreme manner. Also much of the school violence that I have heard about is not from Japan, but from America, and involves mainly guns - so again a cultural difference being projected onto a different area entirely. Having said that, these are all subjective and down to personal opinions, so I appreciate that we all don't feel the same way. In my opinion though, if games that involve a human mowing people down in cars, and shooting them, is allowed, then a game about anime characters doing killings in a school should not really be out of bounds.
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Twitch is not a japanese website, and Japanese people aren't the main community of Twitch. I understand your point with the cultural difference, but it's precisely "the problem" here. It make Twitch unconfortable toward his image, and it's their right to ban this game, even if it's not fair.
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oh I agree they can do what they want - doesn't make it right though - but outside of that, this extra discussion was a convo about the reasons noted above; rather than twitch - that became secondary :) - and twitch is a multi-national website owned by amazon, who has a website in Japan (amazon.jp) - so it is sort of japanese after all it seems :)
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Sorry if you think I interrupted, I thought your conversation was over and I just wanted to point something.
There is also a amazon.fr, doesn't make it French XD
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no - as stated, it makes it multi-national - and given that websites tend to transcend borders the argument is a bit moot - twitch I assume want all users, and would hate to be seen as against a whole countries culture surely :) - but again, this is a personal aspect of a wider issue that is not what the convo was about - so we digress :)
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oh and thanks for the chat - appreciated - especially as I felt similarly until I had been to the country :)
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It's a company, and it does whatever it want. Twich is free to ban any games as cg could ban any user here from SG.
It's not fair, but world never has been fair.
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Erm, it is not exactly that simple. SteamGifts is privately owned and non-profit. Twitch as a company makes its money from the content made there, which are video game streams (mostly, even though they now allow hosting pretty much any freetime activity). This also means that Twitch itself is a platform where people can earn money directly or through publicity. So while cg can ban anyone here as no "business" is involved, Twitch could even be sued for distorting the market by deciding on which game can be advertised through streams or not. And as the recently-inaugurated president shown us, in America, they take these whole "do your business how you want" approach pretty seriously and they are really twitchy when some higher authority tries to regulate them in any way.
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Yeah, I was just simplifying, it's never that simple when it involve money. But i mean, it's also not state-driven, and if they make non-cleary-abusive ToS, they can do what they want. Law is complicated, and with a good lawyer, you can make the text say pretty much what you want if someone try to sue you.
I think Twith did ban the game for a specific purpose, and they can defend themselves without big troubles, because they don't make all the law on their website, but most of it.
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Truth in those words. I think it is the whole principle that is troublesome here. If they can just ban a game randomly, because reasons. Yet somehow you could bet that if Overwatch or League of Legends would suddenly include mode where your goal is to shoot a snuff porn scene, Twitch would do everything to come up with a way to make those ToS compatible, because those games earn way too much money for them.
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Content that is unlawful, libellous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, indecent, lewd, suggestive, harassing, threatening, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, inflammatory, fraudulent or otherwise objectionable;
Right from their ToS.
That and the other few dozen "clauses" in their ToS mean they can do pretty much whatever they want.
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Inside info
US is flooded with school shootings
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The gameplay is basically schoolkids killing eachother inside of the school building
¯_(ツ)_/¯
They are not responding because it will sound stoopid, but they still want to do it that way.
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Like every anime girl, you get steam to hide your nakedness when you change in the locker room, the video explains that he just hasn't gotten ANY feedback in over a year about the reason why it's on the no-play list.
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game should have been banned, but twitch should have explained. there's nothing to see here.
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so any hitman, shooter, most rpgs and strategy title are too banned i guess?
Or where is the difference. you murder in a good amoutn of games people
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so being evil is a reasonable reason to kill people? but envy on the same stage isnt? thats no really excuse. how is playing an hitman in any way better? not that it really matters to me, since i dont watch streaming crap like twitch anyway
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That's really not the focus of the game, though it's an optional playstyle. That's the misunderstanding I think Twitch has.
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I wouldn't say it's not the focus. You can avoid killing in Dishonored games too, but this doesn't mean the focus is not eliminating your enemies a.k.a. killing them.
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This is a stealth game though, it's basically all about sneaking notes into lockers or shoving girls off rooves without anyone seeing you, the point is to win using the various methods available. You can tell two people to meet up under false pretenses and encourage them to date, or spread rumors about things. It's a very versatile game, which tries to capture the stalkerish devotion of the yandere architype, it's not comparable to Hitman or Dishonored, which are pure stealth violence.
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Err.... isn't YanSim was banned because of many murder and mutilation scene?
And I'm curious why the thread title is "Twtich banned a weeb game w/o explanation."
I'd recommend You use nicovid instead if You like weebs thingy stream
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My friend and I are super hyped about YS. She and I subscribe to a few twitch channels, and would love to see some of our streamers play it. Sucks for twitch if they keep doing this to popular indie devs and games, everyone will start watching hitbox.tv instead. Twitch has a "Mature Content" filter just like youtube, so it doesn't even make sense that they wouldn't allow games which are acceptable to most adults (and are even sold on Steam).
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Might be NFSW: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6GLrM0mVA ] (A Warning To All Game Developers)
Sooo, twitch banned Yandere Simulator from the streaming platform and is refusing to contact the dev (who's willing to work around the possible issues) and the guy made a vid explaining the issue and all that.
Thing is, I don't personally care much about this game, but the dev has a point in that several other games with similar enough content are allowed on twitch but his is not, and nonetheless, giving no explanation, specially after the guy has been trying to contact them for a while, is pretty bad.
What do you think?
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