I'm curious, if Microsoft is paying them for this ;(.
P.S. There sure will be workarounds for this, but how secure they will be is another issue.
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https://0patch.com/
Better than official Microsoft patches will ever be.
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They aren't, it's just outdated and used by way too few people anymore, so the costs of maintaining and supporting it further just aren't worth it.
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Windows 7 is still better than Windows 10 + 11 combined.
As of 2021 it was still on over 100 million PCs:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/6/22217052/microsoft-windows-7-109-million-pcs-usage-stats-analytics
As of Sept 2023: https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide
It says 3.3% but I know that's also not accurate
In 2022 it was still doing better than Windows 11 which says a lot.
If they don't kill it completely, then they can't kill windows 10 to force everyone back to Windows 8 version 3
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What you're leaving out is that those 100 million PCs are service stations and dated corporate and government computers, meaning literally 0 of that majority will ever even touch Steam since those computers are for work and some literally don't even have HIDs to even interact with anything.
Kind of like saying that millions of systems still use floppy disks yet we're not demanding Steam to be put on floppies and made to run on computers older than its own average userbase.
Your 3.3% is actually 1.31% according to the Steam Hardware Survey, the actual userbase of Steam: link
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You are also leaving out the millions of household PCs that no one would care to upgrade.
Not everyone has access to constant internet or the latest upgrade options. Some just need a PC for word processing and occasional internet browsing.
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I'm in the process of moving to a triple-boot solution:
7 for old games that don't work on newer OSs
10 Pro (with the group policy for telemetry set to DISABLED
Linux (I don't remember which)
Hyperxduel wrote this:
here's a way to prevent the Steam client from self-updating btw...
1. Close Steam
2. Create a text file in your Steam installation folder and rename it to "steam.cfg" (without the .txt extension)
3. Paste into the text file:
BootStrapperInhibitAll=Enable
BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=Disable
4. Save and close the text file.
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Just curious, which old games don't work on an OS newer than Win7?
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E.g. games with SecuRom DRM. I wasn't able to play the excellent Peter Jackson's King Kong for years on my Win 10 main rig until I came across a patched version.
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I did something like this half a year ago, and all it's working great. My full experience with my favorite gaming computer where I still have Windows 7 (Home Premium, 64-bit):
Phase 1 - testing and researching
- I already had Steam modified, with my own custom-made skins; made it portable using the build from December 2022 (the last version to allow some –now removed– command lines that I like to use), my "steam.cfg" only having the line: BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable
- Bought a small SSD (256 GB) and a cheap Windows 10 (Pro, 64-bit) license, and installed Windows 10 in it, then after some clean up and setting it all up, used O&O ShutUp10++ to remove/disable all the extra crap.
- Used my portable Steam from Windows 7. Steam asked to allow to write some entries missing in the registry, which I allowed (because I knew they were written during the installation and since this was portable...). Then transfered my Steam configuration from Windows 7 that kept same paths to my SSD where I install games, user configurations and credentials, no extra steps needed.
- After I had Windows 10 running it like I wanted it, I made the system dual boot using EasyBCD. Made Windows 7 the default system with a 10-second counter if nothing is selected.
- Tested this set-up (installed my favorite apps or equivalents on W10 and made all the necessary changes) during a couple of months, and once I was happy with it, came the next part...
Phase 2 - upgrading and making all final
- Bought a new bigger SSD (512 GB) and partitioned it in half.
- Cloned and transfered my Windows 7 system (from an HDD) to the first half of the SSD, then did the same with my Windows 10 system to the second half. Everything was done and 4K-aligned and adapted to the new sizes with EaseUS Partition Master. Removed the Windows 10 restore partition first because it's useless (I use AOMEI Backupper instead and place all my backups in a different device), then made the extra space available to use.
- Removed both the old W7 HDD and W10 SDD, and made the new system's SSD dual boot, same as before (W7 is default, W10 is secondary), with EasyBCD.
Some months later, I couldn't be any happier with it. I haven't lost any access to my old set-up, can play my old games the way I want, and now can play exclusive W10 games too. And Steam still works fine, by the way. Same as Origin (yes, Origin and not EA App, on both W7 and W10 using F••k Off EA App) and the Epic Games Launcher. But haven't installed Ubisoft Connect on W10 yet, because I don't have any games that are exclusive to that and don't plan to buy any more Ubisoft games, ever. Windows 10 does its updates without any issues, all is working as it should be. Again, I'm super happy how it turned out. If you're planning to do it, go ahead, is totally possible and not that hard, just time-consuming, but you can do everything in one day.
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Nice. I did this with Windows 7 and 8.
I should have done it with 10. I miss Windows 7 a lot.
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I was recommended to use Blackbird.
I've ben following the instructions in this thread, since I have one of those models of machines.
Basically, remove every drive except the one I want to write an OS onto, install the OS (10 or Linux) on that drive, insert the other drives, use EasyBCD to add the various OSs to each other's boot order.
The only issue I've had is with Win 7's boot manager--when trying to boot into win 10, it pops up an error, but when I use win 10's boot manager it finds win 7 just fine.
Also, because I am on UEFI, EasyBCD cannot find Linux.
I use partitionwizard (freeware) to size my partitions, and macrium reflect to make my system images.
I hadn't heard about the EA github project, nor the ShutUp10 project. Thank you.
I'm currently updating Win 10; the Lenovo's Recovery Media that i had on hand for 10 had dated to 2016(!) I found newer Lenovo RM from 2018, but just installed 20h2 within the last few days.
I'll likely update all the way, image the drive, then overwrite with the newest Windows Install media.
Why do you not use BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=Disable?
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Altough not necessary if your're careful, it's a good practice to remove all other drives when installing a new O.S. in a new drive, if you want for it to not detect or mess with the other drives by accident.
Since I was planning to make Windows 7 the primary O.S., I used EasyBCD from Windows 7 and pointed where Windows 10 was (in partition "W" in my computer). If it helps, I've added a couple of screenshots from how I have set up EasyBCD under Windows 7. Make sure you're pointing exactly where Windows is installed (for me, is "W:\Windows") so it can find its Windows loader.
By the way, W7 doesn't support the Metro-style boot menu, so it does nothing if enabled (the boot menu uses text only). One thing I noticed with EasyBCD, although it works, if you use a diferent language than English to set up your BCD (Boot Configuration Data), it looks weird (special characters like "Ñ" are scrambled or the text lines are misaligned). At least, this happened to me using it from W7 or W10 and selecting Spanish as the locale language, so I was forced to use English for my BCD.
It's been over a decade since the last time I used Linux, so I can't help you with that. I can't remember much of it... sorry. But I know that EasyBCD supports it and should detect your Linux partition.
As for why I don't use "BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disable", is because "BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable" already covers that. It disables all types of updates to the Steam client. But you can still use the other line as an extra precaution. What this line does is for the Steam framework responsible to detect updates to not update. Probably I'll add it too, just in case, before the end of the year... (:P)
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Thank you for your advice!
I've finally got it working.
Since everything is EFI, EasyBCD cannot "see" linux, but Grub2Win can. Grub2Win adds one layer of Boot Manager on top of or before the Windows Boot Manager.
My friends who use Linux say to just use the Linux Boot Manager (Grub) and tell it about your various versions of Windows.
I had a crazy time with EasyBCD, where it chanced the Boot Device from 10's drive to 7, and wouldn't allow 10 to boot without the small Windows 7 drive present and accounted for. This totally defeated my ultimate purpose of complete isolation and independence from each other, so I restarted from scratch. This still didn't fix things, so I did it manually, via Command Prompt (run as admin, 3 hours after my bedtime, while figuratively tearing out my hair.) 🤠
So now I need to make the system backups, and then I can install steam.
I do adore the free Bing Desktop Wallpaper app. It gives you a new, random, and usually beautiful picture of nature nearly every day.
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Good catch about Grub2Win. I do remember when I used Linux along Windows for a couple of years that it was better for Linux to manage the boot sectors to make the system dual. From Windows, it was always harder to find the Linux partitions, properly.
I didn't know about the Bing Desktop Wallpaper app. Although, I've been using a similar system for Windows 7 for years. I have almost a thousand of beautiful pictures of nature and landscapes from isolated places in the world, all of them at least in 1080p, no logos/watermarks, humans or with human constructions in the pictures, all set up to change every half hour, so I'm always seen something new and relaxing. I have this style on W7, more organic and natural than W10, where I have it with more simpler, darker in design and backgrounds, abstract is the word I would use. A total opposite... ^_^
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If your only reason for not moving up to 10 or 11 is telemetry, then you need to go back further than 7. Windows 7 has telemetry also, and fewer settings for how to disable it.
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Not just telemetry; I also don't like the forced updates, the aggressive push towards Windows (not local) accounts, and more.
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you don't need win7, you can run old games on linux, for sure a lot more than on windows 10
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It's still surprising to see 7 being used. We're at 11 now and each new edition offered a free upgrade from previous versions.
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Well it was the last good Windows OS,no wonder people cling to it.
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Nah. It's just people being obstinate for no good reason. And said people are going to have more and more issues with their ancient Win, which objectively equates to 7 being worse by pretty much any metric you want to throw at it. It was definitely great 14 years ago though..
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Plenty of good reasons to stick by the best product they made in the last 14years as you pointed out,planned obsolescence is just the name of the game in capitalism and glorious M$ themselfs acted Windows 10 was gonna be the last OS till the facade got dropped and they gotta force people to use new trash. Masses aren't clamoring and joyous about W11,they're just gonna be bullied into it.
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Planned obsolescence is more appropriately attributed to phones and GPUs and Destiny 2 (lol). With Windows, since they offer free upgrades for a while after release, it doesn't really qualify as capitalist planned obsolescence. If you fail to take advantage of the free transition, that is more like user error.
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I have been using Windows since 3.0. It is definitely planned.
You forget that Windows 7 was so good, no one cared about Windows 8. Even after they 'fixed' it and called it windows 8.1. (Yes it was that terrible.). So they dialed back a bit and gave us Windows 10 which is a lot like 7 but mainly to lure everyone away from 7 and prep for 11.
It was so poorly done that most of the Windows 7 functionality is still available intact in 10.
Windows 11 is just Windows 8 in a different flavor. Only this time they plan to force feed us with it.
Its all about control. Its why the hardware requirements are so stringent. Its why you now need a Microsoft account to use one. (No more local profiles). Why you are forced to use the Edge browser and can't easily change default apps.
By Windows 12. You won't be able to distinguish it from Mac Os.
Mac is built on control...and this is where Windows is headed.
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You aren't forced to use Edge in Windows 11, and changing default apps is as easy as clicking "Always" instead of "Just Once" when choosing Open With.
Running with a local account isn't as easy and probably isn't something that the average user will want to bother with, but is definitely still possible. I'm running W11 with only a local account.
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You know that the core of Win8 is still essentially Win7, right? And then Win10 was built on that core, right?
They're built on the same backbone with UI changes and efficiency enhancements. Win10 is literally an improved version of Win7.
Now with Win11, people have a point there. It's a pretty significant change and there are legit compatibility issues.
But when I hear the "Win10 isn't as good as Win7" screed, I'm consistently surprised. Because I can't think of any actual aspect of the OS itself (not talking "well this one game isn't compatible because of this one esoteric thing" -- I mean real, objective, OS-level functionality and performance) in Win7 that is genuinely superior to Win10. Almost nothing was taken away...I can bring up old setup menus instead of the newer average-user-friendly ones, device manager is still available, etc. And then it comes with superior multithreading, VM capability, and a slew of additional features...it's just a better version of Win7. I can't understand the strange resistance to Win10. <shrug>
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I don't prefer the new "settings" version of the control panel in W10. I was honestly shocked to find--and this was after a year or more of using my dad's W10 on a near-daily basis, including setting some things up for him--that the old control panel still existed in W10, though I couldn't add it to the desktop nor create a shortcut to it.
In terms of minor annoyances, I much prefer the W7 calculator to W10's. At least so far, I haven't found a way in W10 to skip any particular update. I also prefer the older W7 File explorer's options/menu layout.
The new picture viewer is a major step backwards in one specific aspect--when we are showing vacation pictures to family, we used to hit f11 to enter slideshow, then right-click>pause to turn advancing the slides to fully manual control.
W10's default photo viewer's slideshow doesn't seem to allow pausing.
But yeah, by and large the vast majority of my resistance to w10 was due to the horror stories coming out of W10's Beta (forced upgrade to W10 and forced updates inside W10 when you weren't ready; people saying "you need an internet connection to use your computer," "you don't own your OS," "you can't play MP3s," "you can't turn off MS spying on your every file," and more of what I now realize was either growing pains or sheer garbage.)
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By the way, you can use the old start menus with this: http://classicshell.net/
There is even shortcuts for control panel.
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You can pause in the W10 and W11 photo app slideshows. There are playback controls near the top center of the screen. You can also just press spacebar to pause. F5 to start slideshow -> spacebar to pause -> arrow keys to switch to the next/previous picture
On W11, you'll probably want to disable animations and transition effects, but it will remember those settings so you only have to do it once.
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Thank you. The photos app in 20h2 was honestly better than the one in 22h2, now that I'm fully updated. :| But thank you for the tip!
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Windows 7 had only one service pack...just one meaning not a lot updates were needed as the core product was very good.
Also Service packs ended with Windows 7...I wonder why.
More recent does not mean better. All the features you mentioned could have been added to Windows 7 if they cared.
This is why planned obsolescence started. Because some products are created so well that there will not be a market for future versions as long as they exist.
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Look, I get that 7 was good. But your planned obsolescence argument doesn't really hold water here. MS gave a free upgrade path all of the way from 7 to 8 to 10 to 11. Any person could upgrade to newer OSs for zero money. Planned obsolescence is generally intended to create profit. Upgrades of Windows create very little direct profit.
Windows is no longer a primary money maker for Microsoft, and really hasn't been since around the time of 7. What Microsoft wants is as many people running Windows as possible, and they want people running a version of Windows that is as compatible with modern tech as possible. Changes in tech and the need for compatibility so that they stay in a marketable channel is what really drives Windows upgrades.
Their most important profit center, now and going forward into the forseeable future, is Azure. Period. Office365 is a cash cow that they'll continue to ride for at least the next decade, but is not OS dependant. XBox is solid, but run almost as a completely separate business (the biggest recent change there being the new refocus on PC gaming, so a certain degree of compatibility features to be able to handle cross-platform needs is important in the OS too)...and while it's significant, it's still nowhere close in terms of size of business compared to what they do elsewhere.
Windows 10 is literally a faster, better version of Windows 7. Sure, there are some things that I personally don't like as well as 7 when it comes to the UI (e.g., I agree with Microfish on the new settings menus...there are times when they come in handy, especially on a tablet, but for the most part I prefer the settings menus in 7), but the benefits far outweigh any minor irritations. The search box next to the Windows button alone is a good enough reason to upgrade to 10. Frankly, it's so good that I don't even bother learning most menus because I can instantly find anything in the OS via that little box, whether it's an app or a setting or a file or whatever. It's freaking magic.
In short, there are plenty of reasons to complain about things that Microsoft has done, but moving on from Windows 7 isn't one of them. And planned obsolesence isn't a primary factor in the need for MS to upgrade its OS. It's the need to keep up with a changing tech and market landscape that drives changes in Windows.
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You're right, Windows is no longer Microsoft's cash cow. But the motive of planned obsolescence can't be completely ignored as nearly every computer comes with Windows pre-installed.
Less computer savvy consumers will have to buy new gadgets as they aren't knowledgeable enough to install Win11 on their older stuff if Microsoft's hardware requirements aren't met.
So Microsoft is at least lending a helping hand to OEMs selling new stuff.
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Win8 was mainly designed for touch phones/pads and was an attempt to fight Nokia with their style and OS and was nowhere near the same as Win11....
Win7 was good but its outdated now and there is nothing good for any normal user, except if you run a workstation with even more outdated databases that only run on Win7.
people are just holding on to this old version cause its convenient. there is no good reason not to upgrade
just an example of the latest steam hardware survey:
Windows 7 64 bit___1.23%+0.21%
Windows 8.1 64 bit__0.18%-0.04%
Windows 7____0.06%-0.02%
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Why should someone transition to a new OS when there's no new feature worth upgrading?
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New feature: Works with Steam!
(I say this in a lighthearted spirit - when I was doing IT for a law firm, we stayed on Win7 for ages and never put 8 or 8.1 into service. I liked Win7 a lot, and found it both stable and transparent to work on. I have no interest either way, but it did take me a couple of years to warm to Win10. At some point Win7 just wasn't sustainable for work in a business environment, and honestly Win10 was perfectly fine.)
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That's completely fine and understandable. I'm in very different position as a simple consumer. I have a laptop which works perfectly with Win 7 while the hardware isn't supported on Win 10. Why should I throw a machine in working condition to the landfill because corporations think it's normal to buy a new computer every two years?
I don't lose sleep over Steam sunsetting their support for Win 7 as Steam emulation is an option.
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Wait there are ways to emulate Steam? Why did nobody make an alternate Steam client for 7, or Linux or whatever yet then?
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If you circumvent Steam DRM for whatever reason it's called sailing the 777 seas.
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What hardware isn't supported on Win10? Because I'm running an ancient tower as the Netflix/Hulu/Prime machine in a spare bedroom where the parts were like 4-5 years old (spare parts) when I built it...10 years ago. And I did the upgrade from 7-->8.1-->10 with only one hitch, and that was a driver that Logitech hadn't yet updated on an old bluetooth keyboard (that I'm also still running and also still works).
Not saying you're wrong or anything -- just genuinely curious what doesn't work on 10, because I've used hundreds of old devices on 10 with near-zero problems, any any issues I had were resolved in pretty short order.
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What hardware isn't supported on Win10?
It's an old HP laptop with discrete ATI Radeon 1250 graphics. I upgraded the CPU from single to dual core and RAM to 4GB. With Win 7 Ultimate on an internal ssd it chugs along no problem. Problem is the GPU. As you know ATI was bought by AMD and it was decided to end driver support for these GPU cores.
If I'd install Win 10 it would default to a generic driver which supports 480x600 maximal resolution. I could modify those driver probably but what for?
I also tried multiple Linux versions but they crash after start up besides not supporting the WiFi chip. So it's a mess all around with the exception of Win 7 where the computer runs flawlessly. It's no gaming champion of course but for everyday use like surfing the web it's plenty fast enough and I like the sturdiness of the construction which is no comparison to modern laptops.
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Ah, yeah, makes sense. But it sucks that a GPU is preventing you from being able to move forward. I guess that's been the advantage of the tower over a laptop...even though it's really old, the parts are fairly straightforward and less likely to be proprietary. I need to look at what GPU I have in that thing...it's so old that I don't even remember, and it wasn't a high-end one even when it was new. :D
But it sounds like locking down Win7 and continuing to run it is the only possibility for that particular laptop. So long as it's not your primary gaming rig, then no big deal...it should still be fine as a surfing machine. Heck, I have VMs of WinXP so that I can play a couple of ancient games that I could never get to run on Win7, even using backwards compatibility.
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Because we like it. Long live the 7Win! =) For the funs of it, of course.
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I have a decade old PC and upgrading to Windows 10 or 11 would probably break a lot of compatibility stuff, and those operating systems are so bloated my PC would slow significantly.
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This is likely inaccurate. Win10 is not more bloated than Win7...in fact, the loading core at launch was designed to be smaller and boot faster (and it's based upon the Win7 core -- just enhanced). See my post above...I'm running 15-year-old tech on Win10 (that I upgraded twice) and everything works just fine.
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thanks for this info, at least someone knows and isnt just talking nonsense about bloatware or bad kernels, slow loading etc....
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Sorry but corpo see only numbers and Win 7 have 1,29% of steam users vs. 95,58% of rest win users and 98,71% of all users of steam
Steam survey:
Windows 96.94%
Windows 10 64 bit57.97%
Windows 11 64 bit37.43%
Windows 7 64 bit1.23%
Windows 8.1 64 bit0.18%
Windows 7 0.06%
OSX 1.43%
MacOS 13.5.1 64 bit0.25%
MacOS 13.5.2 64 bit0.17%
MacOS 13.4.1 64 bit0.14%
MacOS 14.0.0 64 bit0.12%
MacOS 13.5.0 64 bit0.07%
MacOS 13.4.0 64 bit0.06%
Linux 1.63%
"Arch Linux" 64 bit0.13%
Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS 64 bit0.11%
"Manjaro Linux" 64 bit0.06%
Linux Mint 21.2 64 bit0.06%
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So 94% of the users are using Windows 96? Wow!
Sorry, sorry...
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I had a look at the Steam hardware survey too and if you estimate 100 million Steam accounts that would still translate to one million users of Win 7. Concrete numbers for Steam deck users are missing too (Steam OS).
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Steam dropped support for XP years ago. One of my friends who was still on XP at that time had to update to 10 (just to play dota 2 since it's the only thing he seems to play on Steam even though we bought him tons of other games :x ) and he regularly rants about how 10 sucks (at least on his computer).
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First this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/microsoft-has-closed-the-free-windows-11-loophole-windows-7-keys-no-longer-work/ar-AA1i3vrU
And now this. Its laughable at this point. But its the best way to make you go get a new PC with a recent CPU, TPM, secure boot and free Windows 11. Only its not free...you are the product.
They know millions of PC users game on Steam, and Steam still supports Windows 7.
Most are older PCs which will not be upgraded otherwise. Windows 11 has specific hardware. So most will just skip.
Now you can't play your Steam games, but you also can't upgrade to Windows 11 to play your Steam games. And even if you could. You might not meet all the hardware requirements. Time to start saving for a new PC.
Oh wait...there's Windows 10
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If not for hardware compatibility reasons I'd still be using Windows 7. Been using Windows 10 for almost 2 years now and still hate it.
I plan to build a gaming-only PC next year that'll run Win10, but my main PC will be transitioned over to Linux (probably Ubuntu or Mint).
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You won't be able to run Steam on any Windows OS earlier than Windows 10 64 bit come January 1st.
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Yea, like I said, I switched to Windows 10 about 2 years ago.
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I'm with you on this one.
Win7 was the last good OS from MS.
Upgraded to Win10 back when more games started using DX12 and hated how intrusive the system was (and still is, even after applying group policies) and how it lives its own life.
My user profile folder has grouping disabled, and sorting is done by name. Yet sometimes it just groups its files by date on its own. It's a known problem yet MS don't do shit, you have to edit the registry key to (theoretically) fix this for good.
Or when I'm doing a search in in explorer, I'm getting the results with 'content' view, despite setting it to 'large icons' every single time. Also a known problem that once again MS don't give a shit about.
You've probably guessed it by now that the reason I've mentioned these two examples is because I've never experienced this crap in Win7.
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I havent touched Steam for over a month, maybe more. But then again I was never a hardcore gamer and this bad call makes me want to play even less. Guess I'll stick with movies/series/anime from now on. I'm getting old anyway :P
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Got a new work laptop with Win11 and I gotta say it's a lot cleaner than Win10. Glad the stupid full screen tile start menu is gone. Other than all the mobile shovelware that can't be uninstalled and the forced updates, what's so bad about Win11? Serious question, looking to switch to Win11 in 69 days :)
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This is a yikes for me. In between win10 and 11, win10 wins for me by miles. The full screen tile start menu can be disabled in like 10 seconds. I guess there's apps now you can download to bring back the start menu in win11 and fix it's missing features and some of it's compatibility issues, but their intention to go towards an apple product or tablet design for a desktop computer is ugly but I can see them do it as younger people can't handle the complexity and I grew up with this design since like windows95. I thought originally win11 would've been able to run dos applications in compatibility mode but seems like that's not the case. So in a sense for me, I'm waiting for win 12 already basically and I see no point to change.
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Never really used the Start Menu, other than to get to the Control Panel, so I actually kind of like the Win11 start menu. In my case, I have like 5 icons there the most important of which is the Settings lol
Are you saying DosBox games wouldn't run in Win11?
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Ah, in my case, I use the start menu multiple times a day, since it's where I sort all my apps. I don't want too many shortcuts on my desktop and it's convenient for me to just winkey and launch.
Well dosbox games might run in win11, since it's made to run on windows architecture, but if I remember right, dos architecture is different hence why programs wont just run, even in compatibility mode. Originally when they launched I think I remember seeing some articles claiming it would be able to run dos games out of the box, no dosbox or vm or whatever. I guess that idea has been given up on. Like I want to play a dos game but it's not supported straight through dosbox and I can't get it to work. I've given up on it.
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Quite a many software seem to be having problems under Win 11, software that ran perfectly well under Win 10. Like for example Spotify. But that seems to depend a lot on the hardware used; my pc has no issues with that while Spotify in my s.o's comp freezes couple of times a day. No reinstall helps so there is definitely some problem with compatibility, somewhere.
If you like to keep your taskbar in any other location than on the bottom of the screen, you're out of luck. Not gonna happen unless you stab the registry and that is always a bit risky.
Other than that I like Win11 a bit more than 10, but the difference is not big. Taskbar icons in the middle of the bar is an excellent feature when using an ultra wide monitor.
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Bottom of screen is where the task bar belongs :) I also like that taskbar icons can be shifted back to the left and that they added back the feature to not group windows and always show the window title in the taskbar. Software compatibility might be a real issue, but I don't really use anything other than Steam, Discord, and Adobe, so I might be OK there. I did notice some weird issues with window order and windows losing focus, which I hope they fix soon.
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I posted this in a reply to someone, but I'll post it here for anyone who doesn't happen to see that.
"As of January 1 2024, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems. After that date, the Steam Client will no longer run on those versions of Windows. In order to continue running Steam and any games or other products purchased through Steam, users will need to update to a more recent version of Windows."
The official OS Support Post by Valve you can find here.
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Nice...but also fuck.....
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