Because there are no pre-order bonuses and they wont run out of digital copies...?
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^This. There is ZERO reason to ever pre-order a game if there is no discount and no pre-order bonuses.
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well, there is one: if a game is not yet region locked (but is likely to get a lock later), you can buy the cheap pre-order from a russian and activate it. this might save you half the price. i bought preorders for this exact reason a few times now, and moneywise it paid off.
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Can't they just send you a Russian copy later? You pre-ordered a Russian copy, shouldn't they send you a Russian key? What if the keys are not accessible outside of Russia? I am highly interested in this is why I ask, but it seems... too good to be true.
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i am not talking about keys, but about steam gifts. and there are cases where a game gets available for preorder, but is not region locked yet. so you can buy it pretty cheap from a russian trader and activate it. you can save a lot of money with this. of course you never know for sure, if it gets region locked later. and in very, very rare occasions it can happen that they retroactively lock your game, even if you already activated it on your account.
last time i did that, i bought south park super-cheap. some weeks later it got the region lock. my copy was already activated and runs fine.
to answer your question: if a key or gift is locked (not accessible outside russia), then avoid it at all costs. i would never even bother activating/playing locked games with VPN, no matter how much money i could save.
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You need to have duel citizenship from the country in question, or one of the other dueling nations or clubs. Then you submit a request to purchase the item at the desired regional price. If all the paper work is in order Valve will send along a registered duelist to the requested venue, along with a recorder to document that it is a fair proceeding and the results. If you kill the duelist you get the item at the price you requested. Pretty standard stuff really, I think most of us just kind of figured it out.
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Well normally that is true but these days I have seen several titles run out of keys or reach it's license expiration and be made unavailable for sale. That is highly unlikely to happen anytime soon with a massive title like this but I'm just saying that technically it is possible. There is no proper reason to pre-order this though, especially after the GTA4 port.
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Yeah for sure wont run out of keys, they probably are making them every second haha :-D
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Never pre-order, never!
Especially with rockstar pc games. GTA IV was a really bad port. I would wait for some reviews before buying.
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After GTA IV incident, i think the same. I'll wait until many users say "wow, that's great, very well ported game" since i'm not in a hurry.
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You don't need to wait for users. TB will talk about the quality of the port if he's given a press copy. If he doesn't get a press copy, be worried about why.
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pre-ordering is like gambling, tax on stupid people
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I only gambled a handful of times in my life, always came out on top...
Had a card counting friend, killed the shit out of the casinos.
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well i got about 50% off of it so im pretty happy bout it! but seems like there are bad history happenings with GTA IV
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Same...well last I checked was a bit ago, lost the disk, stopped caring.
Game technically worked, it just had this odd micro stutter that annoyed the crap out of me, maybe my PC now is alright with it, ehh will only know if I win win it here at this point haha....
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Yeah, GTA 4 is shit, even with some super low graphics mod, it still ran at 15 FPS.
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Mine has always worked fine. Plus the modding community for GTA is amazing. I run it fine with higher gfx mods and etc, always have. Maybe get a better rig?? From what I can tell GTAV will be great, and from their screw ups on console they reimbursed us all with free money and stuff for our time wasted. Seems to me that I can trust Rockstar.
GLHF
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If we're talking only about PC version, then it's bad decision: it might turn out to require one GeForce Titan per 10 FPS.
In general: Unless you got it for around $30 it's also a bad decision, as other places might have it in much better prices.
Also worth noting: Max Payne 3 was on maybe-even -50% sale 2 months after it was released, during Summer Sale.
Same thing might happen during Winter Sale, seeing how R* might notice not all PC gamers are stupid enough to pay $60 for one year old game that was already spoiled long and wide over Internet, so there's not much that can surprise players.
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wow, what's wrong with you people?
Fanboys at first were like "ERMAHGERD RELEEEESE ON PC PL0X" and now that it's on PC they're like "DON'T PREORDER DON'T MILK THIS SHIT PL0X" ...
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i'm talking about in general actually, check the GTA V's community hub and you'll know:3
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But that's slightly different. They want to play the game on PC but it doesn't mean that they will "milk" this. Right?
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Preorder if you're rich and want it now. Wait for it to go on sale if you're poor or a cheapass. Simple as that. It'll be a long while before it hits 66-75% though. The preorders and early purchases, if done from legitimate retailers and not those cd-key scam stores, support the devs/publishers. So definitely do that if that's your thing.
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Gentle reminder, do not preorder videogames, particularly GTA5. Remember GTA4s port, let us check it out first, that's the medias job.
Basically, he's saying don't preorder. Wait till the media has looked at the quality of the port then, if you like what they are saying about the quality of the port, buy it on day one.
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Why? You wouldn't have bought the games, if you hadn't pre-ordered them?
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What? I was just talking about TB in general, he tends to bash/hate some great games imo (probably when he has a bad day/doesn't understand the mechanics). I still tend to check him out from time to time though. And about not preordering games he's correct, that's the smart move to do (even tho I'll preorder it anyway, just like I did with The Witcher 3). :p
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That's why I said some. Most of the time I also agree with him but sometimes he's just rather clueless/doesn't make sense. Wouldn't be the first time I see him blame a game for something while it's just him not understanding something (which is somehow to be expected if you tend to get a first impression of most genres out there, can't like/know everything) :p
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Care to give us some examples of specific games ?
Though TB does admit that tastes are subjective. Which is why he scores on game reviews.
Plus him being wrong about some games doesn't mean he's wrong about preorders.
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Yet they both ran on the same shitty hardware (old gen consoles) so it doesn't really matter, one got ported properly while one was garbage. Why would an open world be a reason to deliver a shitty port when 10 year outdated hardware could run it just as good, if not better as a very high end pc? They got lazy/cheap and just rushed it, sure it takes longer to polish/optimize it than MP3 but that aint a valid reason to do so :p
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You still can't say "MP3 was great, so GTA5 will be great", because they are completely different games that are build in completely different way. And shitty console hardware is why they were able to make such great stuff with it - they know it better then themselves, so they know exactly how to code every single bit of it.
And you can't do that on PC, on one hand thanks to various hardware, on the other thanks to MS who was cock-blocking PC development with practically forcing people to use DirectX 9 (as that's what X360 is mostly using, more or less).
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Wtf, where did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth.. I only said that MP3 (their latest PC game) wasn't a bad port, which was a reply to someone said that Rockstar has a history of bad PC ports. Which means, or it was another studio or they are finally taking it serious (which would be a good sign for GTA V).
If it runs like shit on hardware thats like 5x better then something is wrong, there isn't a single excuse for it. We've had more open world ports without (or with less anyway) performance issues, if they wouldn't have cared than MP3 would have been just as good 'nearly' unplayable.
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True, you didn't said those words. You're only saying "yes, R made bad ports, but MP3 wasn't one", forgetting MP3 is different game. And seeing how R is back to shitting on PC gamers (they knew they will make port for at least 6 months, as that's how long GTA 5 has database entry on Steam) I wouldn't expect them to do anything than another shitty port.
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Different game or not, a port is a port.
And obviously they didn't announce it ages ago, did you see the sales? It was the best move they could have done, consolepeople buy a shitty version to serve as beta testers and now they will buy it again because 'woah graphics'. They did the same to the people on the currentgen consoles though.
and check that 'piracy' thread here, then you'll know why we get stuff later. Hard to blame them if you see how many people think.
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since you are clearly an experienced game developer, please tell us, great master, where exactly the key differences are between optimizing a game with small levels and an open world game?
i am a developer (although not a game developer), and i don't think that optimization of a graphics engine for a specific platform is that much more work for an open world game.
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Closed world - less stuff happens so less stuff that need to be optimized, less-to-none random-effect.
Open world - more stuff, different AI and scripting, "random" effect, tons of little stuff happening in same time.
In Max Payne 3 you can stand in one place and nothing will happen. In Open-World game, stand on street and you will be only thing that won't move. But hardware will need to generate new NPCs, move them from A to B, generate weather and tons of other stuff.
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All of that 'open world stuff' happens on the 'oldgen' too, if it runs on such hardware there isn't any reason to have issues on way stronger hardware.
Also the main reason why stuff dissapears if you turn around a corner, it's made to be an open world so it only renders the small part you are in. Plus... if you compare the details/texture quality of GTA and MP...
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the cpu has more to do in an open world game. the graphics are usually much simpler though. games like mp3 usually have higher quality graphics effects than open world games. in an open world game, what you need the most is cpu power and memory. pc's have plenty of both. and the cpu's of the nextgen consoles are much more similar to pc hardware. so optimization might even be less nesseccary now.
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heres the thing: I didnt look for any bad things to happen when i preordered it. So i wanted to listen what people have to say before i get into a discussion that i have no information of (Bad ports etc.)
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Hello there,
i preordered GTA V and i was wondering: Do you think this was a good decision?
I can still cancel it but i would first need a reason why :P
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