Can I just say how Orville grew from a hard to place comedy into a really amazing sf show in its own

I watched like 2 or 3 episodes of the first season and it felt like the showrunners were really confused on what they wanted it to be. Is it comedy? Is it a serious show? I didn't really care for the comedy which made it worse.

I started watching the first season expecting to be an comedy (a mock up of Star Trek) but definitely continued watching because of the sf and how it aboards some controversial teams, while still keeping a little of the comedy side

I didn't expect to like it actually.
It touches though very nice issues, it raises very good points and keep a bit of subtle comedy to the mix to avoid it being too serious and "heavy".
For some reason, I enjoyed the first season more, but can't pinpoint exactly why because the second one is also pretty stellar.

I enjoyed the first season for both SF and comedy aspects. Looking forward to the second season, but it probably takes around a year until it's getting aired here.

Just started ep 6 but I heard good things about "those two episodes"
Finally, some good TV after that disappointment called ST:D

i've been watching and enjoying it from the beginning but yeah i definitely agree season 2 is even better. is it over already?

Its good, but they use a lot of social issues and not enough science issues. It feels a lot like a soap series for the most part.
Looking forward to the rest of season 2 then.

No, I choose option 6. As m3rc said, it has a lot of social issues, much like some of TNG or Voyager (especially with Janeway), but instead of being handled in an "alien" way they were often quite ham-fisted, and something you might see more on shows like SVU or even worse crime dramas, where you kinda expect it. Due to this I stopped watching religiously. Still better than all the reality shows on free-to-air tv I guess.

The Orville is the Star Trek show that Star Trek fans wanted. Discovery is the Star Trek show that CBS thought Star Trek fans would support even though it wasn't really for them.

Now, that being said, season two of Discovery is doing a lot to backpedal on some of the bigger mistakes made in season one so there is still hope.

I like the show even though MacFarlane has always rubbed me the wrong way and this is no exception. Still, I keep watching so it's saying something about the show.

I had to google Orville to find out what you're talking about. Seems to be a Startrek knockoff / clone.

That last episode was epic.

I don't know, I think season 2 is significantly worse than season 1 considering the majority of the episodes are relationship drama and not exploration. I enjoyed the first season, it was serious and it had some humor in it and the episodes were good to think about. Now, there are almost no jokes and more plot holes than ever and some of the conflicts are not well thought out (like the astrology planet or the human-AI romantic relationship). I wish the show would develop the characters a little more.

Can I just say how Orville grew from a hard to place comedy into a really amazing sf show in its own?

You can but I would have to strongly disagree. Here are a few of my main gripes with Orville:

• Orville tries to apply 21th century morals to 25th century moral dilemmas. Also a surprising number of those moral dilemmas are constructed to cater to 21th century viewers.
• People in the future are obsessed with 20th century entertainment (Kermit the Frog, Barry Manilow, old musicals...) Did nothing interesting or entertaining happen neither in Earth nor alien culture between 21th and 25th century? (The Beasty Boy - Sabotage joke in the latest Star Trek worked better for me because she's not listening to it voluntarily)
• There is no Captain Ed Mercer as a role or a character. There is just Captain Seth MacFarlane and in my opinion he takes playing himself two steps too far here. It does not make for a compelling character.

I have not seen the latest episode yet but so far I can't see any significant improvements in Season 2. The episode with the "Klingon gay holodeck dungeon sex" even made me wonder what kind of mushrooms Seth McFarlane is taking :D I know it's not technically gay for an all male or rather almost exclusively male species.

Yeah, it's awesome. I also really like it. And it's full of hidden messages. Also, some of its episodes include some real life problems of the present or the future.

Seems interesting, thanks for pointing it out!

Forgotten all about this since the initial trailer. Gonna start watching this weekend - thanks for the reminder. Looks cool even if a hybrid SF / Comedy, which is an unusual mix.

I'm not really satisfied with Star Trek Discovery, which after a lackluster first Season, has bounced back a bit in Season 2. but is still rife with more problems than I would like. I guess I'll see if I can power through the first episodes of the Orville and see if it is for me.

Should at least tide me over during the wait for Season 4 of The Expanse, which for my money is the best Sci-Fi TV has to offer right now - and I say that as a ultra hardcore (ex-)Trekkie.

There have been a few decent episodes in both seasons (yeah the last two episodes definitely were among those), so I kept watching, but all in all that show is still lacking direction. It's too poorly done to count as a serious sci-fi show but it's not funny enough to be comedy either. It's pretty much all centered around Seth MacFarlane, who obviously has some strange sense of humor, which I don't really think funny at all most of the time (in fact it's often so crude it makes me cringe -" Ja'loja", "the great relief", seriously? Common', that's just sick..)
Then again, it's hard to find a decent sci-fi show at all these days. Discovery has great visuals, but the story wasn't too great to begin with and now it's gone for the worse. I'm not a Star Trek fan, so I don't even care what Star trek fans think of it, but the current story line with time anomalies and whatnot is just a boring mess.

i've heard of his popcorn

I can't comment on the show as I have not seen it; but I probably will, you know, eventually... But ugh, this also reminds me I still need to finish a lot of great old sci-fi shows like SG1, Atlantis, SGU, Farscape, last season of BSG, Babylon 5, Deep Space 9, et al.

Forgot the obvious poll choice.

Stopped watching and don't care to pick it up again.

Frankly I am amazed how good The Orville is, considering who is behind it. I intended to only watch an episode or two to see how terrible it was, but instead got knocked over the head how decent it was. Kept watching and while there were bad moments, they have (so far) not been as disastrous as I had expected from MacFarlane. The comedic bits are a hit or a miss, but (so far) haven't gotten to the low end. The first season had couple fantastic episodes and some lower ones, so the balance was okay, I don't expect to love every single ep. I'm not that far into the second season yet but looking forward to it when opportunity arrives.

What really made the show was that the dramatic moments work nicely even if the plots are predictable. And I enjoy that the relationships (professional, friendships) are in central focus as well, it gets tiring if shows are all about the action and don't bother showing that the characters have connections with each other. Not happy about Alara being replaced though. I understand it was the actress' choice to leave the series, but it is little too weird that they chose to replace her with another Xelayan instead of using the opportunity to bring a brand new species to the table.

never seen it

When I first started to watch the series I really didn't know what to expect. The first episodes weren't exactly great but I'm happy I kept watching. Now I just wait new episode every week :D

Bortus + moustache was really great :)