I was hesitant at first, because even though I love Valve and I'm happy for Campo Santo to have more support, I'm just wary as to WHY all of the sudden Valve wants to acquire an independent studio.
I really enjoyed Firewatch and In the Valley of Gods looks like it's going to be off the chain.
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Well maybe they realized they needed more people to take care of Steam AND create games at the same time.
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That would be very nice, but there's a part of me that's afraid to trust things like this - that they're happening for positive reasons rather than negative ones.
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Valve also acquired teams behind Team Fortress, Portal, Counter Strike... and released them as Valve games. Nothing new here.
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The only game valve really made from scratch was half-life. The rest was already existing projects that they eventually bought the rights or hired the team behind the said projects(or both).
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Campo Santo's claim that it is an "obvious" choice surprises me. Maybe a decade ago it might have been. But what single player game has Valve produced last? Portal 2 about 7 years ago?
I could imagine many publishers that should suit them better, these days. That includes even dev graveyards such as EA.
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More like "technological demo" that had to be released based on their efforts to promote htc vive. Golwar has a point, it's not that they somehow lost the skill required to make SP games, but VR games is a bit different experience.
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This is kind of consistent with how Valve makes games actually. After all, quite a few of their games started as mods or independent games, and were then acquired by Valve.
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That's a really good point. If this is the beginning of another Valve renaissance then I would like that a great deal c:
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Feels good man, Valve games are always good games, and if they picked studio then they have good reasons for it, Im optimistic and looking forward to see what will come out of this.
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This is weird. I don't even know if it's bad or good yet, it's just... weird.
But hell, that's fine with me. That game's been on my radar anyway B)
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Well, so much for In the Valley of the Gods ever seeing the light of day.
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Looks like the type of game I would enjoy.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/687440/In_The_Valley_of_Gods/
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Same guys who sent a strike to PewDiePie for a simple walkthrough? Gabe knows how to connect with nice people.
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So-called "political correctness" becomes a censorship when it gets out of hands. Simple courtesy becomes a totalitarianism. People who slam PewDiePie for his brilliant humor and people who block Telegram are the same for me. But in your media you can't critisize this censorship, all the criticizm is pointed on Telegram blockage in Russia. Right? Right? Who's disingenuous now?
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PewDiePie is 0% racist and his jokes were 0% racist, go download some sense of humor goddamit, I know of a good torrent.
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British humor always was extreme, near the line, and the problem is the US with their sterile standards messing with everyone they do not understand and don't want to. PewDiePie is an example of fine British humor, you don't understand it - stand aside, don't come with this leftist social ostracism bullshit that became so popular in the US in the last decade. Not your culture, back off. Damn, when was the line when we lost everything? Guess Sacha Baron Cohen and Ponthy Python are outlaws too by modern standards. Someday, when the trend will change, you'll be sorry for everything.
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I am having a hard time seeing a well performed sketch with some production value as the same thing as an oversized 12 year old in front of a webcam spewdiepieing random crap that a hundred thousand other prepubescents will repeat as the same thing... ;)
I know it's in jest, but so is walking into a forest and filming a dead guy. There is tasteful, edgy and tasteless, and some youtubers are so in love with themselves that they don't think about crossing lines.
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I don't have a problem with Logan's filming of the corpse either. And we should distinct laws, doctrine values, cultural customs, and taste - all these are different things. Humor mustn't have a good taste, vice versa, so-called bourgeois "good taste" is bad for humor. Remember Francois Rabelais and Italian Comedy Dell'arte. Leftist values is merely a local doctrine fenomenon, but they try to apply it to everything.
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In civilised parts of the world, people still remember what humour is when it comes to races. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYY8MAAep3Y
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It wasn't a joke. Pewdiepie was using "nigger" as an insult, directly interchangeable with "asshole". He said "What a fucking nigger! Jeez! Oh my god! What the fuck?! Sorry, but what the fuck?! What a fucking asshole!".
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It's a nit-picking, just a random word, he could say "what a squatting Russian" with a zero consequences, is it not?
The attack on him began after that Indian guys with a "Hitler did nothing wrong" poster, and it was a hilarious joke, the shitstorm that began after made the joke even better, it showed the hypocrisy of the society. It's like Pussy Riot's performing in the cathedral.
upd: Or was it "Death to all Jews", I don't remember.
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I bet you think 'Big, Blue' is a work of art ;)
Ah yes, opinions are like...
Diversity is great :P
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Luc Besson movie? Incredible movie. Yes, it's art. Let me check, I rated it 8/10 on Kinopoisk (Russian IMDB).
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Nah, the 40+ million dollar blue canvas.
I own the collectors edition of the movie, a giant metal casing :)
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That's not how language works, words don't have a random meaning--- communication is based on words having pre-established, specific definitions. Sure, context matters - but stop being disingenuous. You're free to claim that a certain word means anything you want, but when you're perfectly aware that 99.9% of people are going to perceive your next sentence as an insult -- you're being purposely, knowingly offensive, regardless of the reason behind your actions (which remains pure speculation).
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No, he was insulting someone. Using a blanket term as an insult indicates that the speaker considers all people within that group as inherently inferior. The fact that he blurted it out under stress was especially revealing, indicating that the insult comes naturally to him. The most generous interpretation of this is that he has an unfortunate habit of using insincere racial slurs as insults, something quite inappropriate and unprofessional for a media personality. Had he used any other racist or ethnic term as an insult, he would have still been rightfully labelled as a racist and had he used a sexist term as an insult, he would have been rightfully labelled as a sexist. "Squatting Russian" is not quite equivalent to "nigger" because nigger is a derogatory variation of negro and squatting is a choice. Something along the lines of "filthy Chechen" would be closer.
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I wrote "squatting Russian" because in the last couple of weeks he was making fun of Russians in his videos, laughing at videos with diffferent Russian drunks and dorks, he even made a merch with "СУКА БЛЯДЬ" words, and you know what, I'm not even mad. "Filthy Chechen" is not even an insult, we have for this "churka" and "khach", but you know what, people from Caucasus often call each other or themselves this way. "Nigger" is nothing and it doesn't say that he's racist. Again about the US. The country with an institutionalized racism in the past is so ashamed of it, that it denies not only to white and yellow Americans, but to everyone in the world to say the N word. It's a cultural schizophrenia. Everybody must calm the fuck down, because this witch hunt only shows that racism still exists in the US latently. Words are just words, he doesn't share some chauvinistic ideology or something.
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I didn't know about his squatting Russian comments, but I am aware that some people think "squatting Slavs" and gopniks are funny or cool, either from an outsider perspective or with pride of their own heritage. Much like "bogans" in Australia - it is fashionable to laugh at them, but people also will claim some pride for their toughness. I am also aware that saying "СУКА БЛЯДЬ/suka blyat" is fashionable amongst the toxic CS:GO community but I didn't realise that Pewdiepie was making money from it. I clearly don't know the actual ethnic slurs about the people of the Caucasus used in Russia, but I suspect the way those terms are used determines how they are received. It sounds similar to how second and third generation Italians here in Australia proudly claim the term "wog" which was used by Anglo-Australians as an insult against their parents or grandparents when they emigrated. People will proudly claim to be a wog amongst their friends, but if a stranger used it as a genuine insult and said to "go back to your own country" (this is quite common in Australia), it would definitely cause a fight. You are right that there is nothing magical about the word "nigger" itself, and being so sensitive that the word itself is taboo is ridiculous. Afterall, slaves were also disparagingly referred to as "boy" and we should also prohibit the use of the word boy if words were offensive in their own right. It is the use of the word, the context, that makes the word offensive. Unfortunately, in his PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds stream, Pewdiepie was using nigger in the exact way that makes it offensive. By calling someone a nigger as an insult (as evidenced by also calling them an asshole immediately afterwards), it sends the message that he believes dark-skinned people to be inferior. He might not actually believe that, but that is the clear meaning of what he said. Young white children might think it's exhilarating and cool that he is being naughty but anyone that has seen actual racism in action would not think it is something to do for fun.
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Pewds took a lot from 4chan culture. I am visiting imageboards myself for 10 years, and I've spent a lot of time on 4chan too, on /mu/ to be exact. Everybody call each other nigger on 4chan, and a naive spectator could think that everybody are racist, but it's only at first sight. In last.fm and social threads turns out that there are a lot of blacks, and nobody hates them, it's not serious. At least for everyone except some actual crazy nazis on /pol/. I understand Pewds very well. When I'm nervous I often insult annoying mobs or people who're stronger than me in PvP with different chauvinistic words - not on air, of course.
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It might not seem serious because nobody in the group complains but casual racism is still racism. Similar things happen in all sorts of selective groups, e.g. sporting clubs often harbour very sexist culture. The fact that the attitude is fostered within the group means that people don't even recognise the bitter hatred beneath the jokes that they casually share with their friends. We have a lot of people here that say "I'm not a racist but..." and then say something extremely racist about Aborigines, Asians or people from the Middle East (most people here don't even realise that there are multiple ethnicities or that "Muslim" is not an ethnicity). It is like claiming to respect sex workers as people but then insulting someone by telling them that their mother is a whore. If you truly respected sex workers you wouldn't think that it was an insult so you wouldn't use it as one. It's one thing to behave in a socially objectionable manner amongst a like-minded group of bigoted friends, but there shouldn't be any surprise when corporate sponsors don't support this behaviour in public.
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You are gravely mistaken and I guess you're a victim of a modern US leftist doctrine, like everyone else. The pressure in the media and society is too heavy. I don't want to live in a castrated dystopian world you're promoting. Like every other generalized idea, it leads only to totalitarism and violence.
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I'm not promoting a castrated dystopian world and I actually made the same point as Slavoj Zizek when I pointed out that without context, the word nigger is no more offensive in its own right than the word boy. He is saying that simply suppressing a word does nothing positive but actually reinforces the underlying bigotry, and that far more is done for social integration by claiming terms like wog, nigga and churka and using them in a positive context. He is correct. It is ridiculous to believe that people have more respect for handicapped people just because they call them "differently abled", and I have seen people spitting the supposedly polite word "indigenous" with the same venom that they used to reserve for "abbo" or "boong" when derisively discussing Aborigines (who are not ashamed of their skin colour - they proudly refer to themselves as blackfellas). The homosexual community has managed to achieve greater acceptance after spending decades claiming gay and queer as positive labels (although there's a lot more to it than this). All of this is very different to what Pewdiepie did, which was to use the word "nigger" as an insult. Do you really not see that this is hateful towards black people in the same way that calling someone a "fucking faggot" in the heat of an argument is hateful towards homosexuals?
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand PewDiePie. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of british humour most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also PewDiePie's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike PewDiePie truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Felix's existential catchphrase “nigger,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Felix’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
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While CS may have been perfectly within their legal right to take down the video, what's legal and what's okay don't always overlap. Pewdiepie niggerbombed on a PUBG stream, completely unrelated to Firewatch or Campo Santo. Even if the slur constituted 'hate speech' (which it didn't) how is DMCAing an unrelated video that had already been up for a year(?) prior an appropriate or effective response?
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They decided that his values so disagreed with their own that they terminated their tacit allowance of him using their intellectual property for profit. What's not okay about that? It's like telling a kid that regularly takes fruit from your tree to stop doing it when you find out that he is trapping endangered wildlife.
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This case is nothing like a kid stealing fruit from a tree. It's like giving explicit permission to pick fruit from the tree, then calling the cops on a kid who picked fruit for mouthing off at a total stranger on the other side of town*... to report a theft of fruit. The response was disproportionate to and disconnected from the alleged offense. That is not just. What Campo Santos did was within their legal rights but it was petty, reactionary and risked setting a bad precedent over the ongoing question of let's plays and fair use.
* Comparing a niggerbomb to poaching/trapping endangered wildlife. Totally reasonable [/s]. The hate and harassment clause of their derivative work permission statement shouldn't even apply to Pewdiepie's niggerbomb since it was neither harassment nor was it advocating racism in any way.
Also all this is before getting into the argument over whether copyright law is bullshit to begin with and ergo what rights Campo Santos should have over other peoples' videos of their games. My answer is none.
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Your opinion and my opinion of copyright law are irrelevant - it's the court's opinion that matters. In most jurisdictions, the artist owns the rights to how their idea is expressed, including any derivative works. That's why people cannot legally sell game mods - they don't own them because they are derivative expressions of the original art. All "Let's Play" videos are potential copyright infringement cases but software publishers don't usually prosecute them (like the UFC does with their content) because they serve as advertising. It is just like someone advertising free fruit on their property and then selectively revoking that permission at a later date. They don't actually need a reason to revoke the permission, although they do make it clear in their FAQ that they don't support hate or harassment. Are you really saying that publicly calling someone a fucking nigger as an insult is unrelated to harassment or racism?
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"Your opinion is irrelevant, only the law matters"
Okay Dredd.
And I never said the "nigger" was unrelated to harassment or racism. What I said was that that instance was neither harassment (PDP wasn't trying to disturb or threaten anyone in particular) nor advocating racism (he didn't use the term to disparage or ridicule blacks). Was that outburst unprofessional, uncouth, and uncalled for? Yes. Racist? No. In any way relevant to Campo Santos' copyright? Hell no.
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He used the term to "disparage" his enemy.
And he used the term "nigger" as something bad. Like my enemy is a bad person, he is a nigger.
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Insults are used to insult people because they are generally understood to supposed to be insulting. Funny how that works.
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I still have the resolve to not play their games, even if they come under the Valve mantle.
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Interesting. Not something I was expecting either.
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First, we really like making video games.
say goodbye to that after finishing the current one, lmao
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So, they are apparently bored of making video games and imagine their professional carrier as full-time TF2 hat and CS:GO texture makers from now on. Because they sure as hell won't be making any video games, based on Valve's track record with previously cannibalised studios.
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Or this is the beginning of a new chapter in Valve's history...
Nahhh, you are probably right :)
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A new chapter would start only if governments really start to consider in-game gambling illegal or enforced under the same rules and regulations as traditional gambling.
Then again, I am relatively sure Valve already has the next plan to milk infinite money out of people in a way that is not illegal yet.
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Then again, I am
relativelysure Valve already has the next plan to milk infinite money out of people in a way that is not illegal yet.
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Oh it's a small tweak. Inject some small semblance of player involvement in the gambling process and it becomes a game of Skill rather than Chance. See: Exactly what spared pinball from gambling regulation in the States.
So... add a lock picking 'minigame' to the loot crates.
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If the rewards would be guaranteed to be in direct proportions with the scale of success, I could get behind it. If the lockpick still unlocks the same totally randomised loot, that would not be enough. Pinballs are too after all rely a lot on player skills/reflexes if one needs high scores.
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What you're saying is a whole lot of 'should' that I can (mostly) get behind. Except what should happen is likely not what will. I'm still sure the next micro-transaction controversy there will be comparisons to carnival games rather than slots.
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Well, one thing is certain. There won't ever be third part of this game :P
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I liked Firewatch alot and was looking forward to their new game. Lets hope this change is a good thing.
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admit it, you aren't here for valve games, but for steam games.
or at least i admit i don't need a new valve game, i just need people to keep buying valve cards, hats and whatnot.
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There've been rumors of Valve wanting to do some single-player stuff again. Guess this is evidence those rumors ahve some substance.
We'll see how this goes. At least if things don't work out too well, Valve has been willing to just let studios go off on their own again if things don't work out, instead of outright killing them off.
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just found and installed valve's "Codename Gordon" game few days ago - not so good as i expected 💮 "In the Valley of Gods" looks interesting ^^
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Firewatch was a walking hiking simulator. (Though granted one of the better ones.)
Campo Santo used DMCA to take down let's play videos because reasons. (Despite being totally okay with them before until reasons)
For some reason I'm not enthused.
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Just a quote from there homepage:
Can I stream this game? Can I make money off of those streams?
Yes. We love that people stream and share their experiences in the game, and we extend the priviledge of streaming and monetizing our games on Twitch, YouTube, Steam, and elsewhere to our customers.
Streaming and Let's Plays are implicit but revokable privileges, and if you happen to be among the very, very, very, very few players who use your platform to spread hate or harassment, we would prefer that you not use our games in your content.
It doesn't hurt to let us know on Twitter when you're live. We might show up in your chat!>
Sounds pretty fair to me.
If this would be my game (or if I would publish any game) I would also not want to see my game connected with a streamer that is using "nigger" as an insult. Especially when it's monetized.
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I don't have an opinion about them joining Valve, but that trailer really made me want to play this game ! It looks so beautiful, and I love the idea of being a faceless character in this duo that look like they have known each other for a long time. Really makes me curious to meet this other character and explore with her.
(and, well, I'm a sucker for anything about ancient Egypt)
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It's not a Valve game just because the Firewatch team moved to Valve. It's almost impossible for Valve to make their own games. :P
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It's a game, official published and developed by valve.
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But wasn't Campo Santo already making it before joining Valve? Valve just bought the studio or something. Or am I wrong? I'm just saying that Valve didn't do anything related to the game.
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Similar thing happened with CS and most of their games to some extent. You can pretty much compare this situation to L4D and every one considers L4D a Valve game, the only "their" game is HL.
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They prefer to leech money rather than make games. x)
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Campo Santo, the studio that made Firewatch, joined Valve and will keep working on there onging Game called "In the Valley of Gods". This Game will get the Release as a Valve game...
http://blog.camposanto.com/post/173170027579/campo-santo-news
Trailer from december 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJcHUoO734
This is an interesting step after Valve didn't released any SP-Game since Portal 2.
What you guys think?
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