Grey Market vs Glitches

Where is the potato answer!

IMHO, a glitch is a direct responsibility under GMG development team, but otherwise is just turning a blind eye.

Dont know what the glitch is about, but I dont mind the grey market at all. Its a good way to save money and the keys were legit at some point ot another.

Glitch is fine because the developers still get paid. If a retailer incorrectly discounts a game, they will make full restitution to said devs. This is why I didn't feel bad about grabbing a copy of Metro: Last Light when Best Buy mistakenly listed it for $.01 shortly after the game's release.

Also, your poll is incomplete. I have no problem taking advantage of glitches, whilst avoiding grey market sites. I wouldn't, however, purchase a glitched price game from a grey market site, as that still promotes the site and encourages them to continue facilitation of shady activities (under the guise of legitimacy).

Second hand sales aren't inherently the problem, the problem is the way its gone about by the companies that facilitate it and the individuals that do unethical/illegal things to get those games:

1. Businesses like G2A sneakily signing people up for 'protection' that they don't want. Gamestop opening their new games thus making them the same as used and then charging less for the normal 'used' ones so they get more while publishers/devs look like they're overcharging for the same thing. etc.

2. Individual resellers who use stolen credit cards to buy games en mass, or who trick devs/pubs into giving them review codes which they then turn around and sell.

I strongly believe individual people should have the right to do whatever they want with anything they legitimately own so long as it doesn't involve producing copies of said item.

I bet you didn't managed to grab one :p

It was really a glitch ?
Because it was restocked at least once and last for some hours.

Vydia games are bad for you health kids, mmmkay? Inhale some books instead!

both are wrong, not because the dev/publisher will lose money (unless you buy directly from origin/ea, for example), but because someone will *pay* for it. either they will be warned, suspended, or fired (it depends on the company policies, but i don't think they take it lightly to this or else employees would take advantage of "accidental" prices).

in the end its just made-up morals based on each person.
- "piracy is bad but i'm downloading this game to test it"
- "i got this $60 game for $1! PRICE BUG! BOUGHT 500 COPIES I'M SO SMART"
- "i got this in g2a for 10 cents!"

reminds me of a thread 2-3 years ago. a guy was telling everyone he got some bundles/games for ~10 cents each becase humble bundle had a price bug. everyone blacklisted and insulted him, because he was an exploiter and it was wrong.
1 month later, someone else made a thread for a steam summer/winter sale with a list of price bugs.
everyone applauded and loved it.
hypocrisy at its maximum level.

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glitch is legal and yes someone pays for it. Glitches usually last very short time and not much licenses are sold during that window. Valve takes it as a advertisement they dont revoke the licenses. maybe the reason the company is rich enough and they dont want to lose customers. they can afford that. In case of small indie studio it would be devastating.

its all about legality far as I'm concerned. If its legal to buy a game at a price - regardless of the reason the price is available - go for it. Do i care that publishers or individuals lose from it? no of course not, because publishers and stores are businesses, and their business is maximizing profit at my expense. Do they care about my financial position? Do they care every time they try to jack up the prices just that little bit higher in my region? of course not, so why should i be concerned about what happens to ONE particular business? Developers, publishers, sellers... theyre all in it for themselves and have no interest in us consumers or being on our side.. so why be concerned about them?

Business is about equilibrium - finding that spot where we are willing to pay, and they can maximize profit. The second you start worrying about their ability to maximize your losses, you pointlessly upend the process in their favor when you SHOULD be focusing on what benefits YOU... because believe me, they only care about what benefits themselves.

As long as its legal on your end - go for it with no regrets. If companies could screw you over, they'd say the same.. "its just business."

I am a cheap bastard, I don't care. If not for Steam and such low prices I would just keep pirating.

Grey markets are good for getting a key that is no longer available, but I would not use one for a game I could buy from a proper retailer.

No matter what site it is: gray, white, whatever. As long as the developers get their fair share and aren't suffering because of mistakes on behalf of the seller, then I'm fine with it.

These sellers (whether individuals or sites like GMG) are also providing a service. If they fail to provide that service, the customer (a.k.a. the developer) shouldn't suffer because of that.

The actual buyers shouldn't have to worry about that at all. Imagine if you saw cheap milk in your grocery store and thought that perhaps the manufacturers got fucked and you buying it is bad for them. The moral burden shouldn't fall on us, the buyers.

People keep complaining about sites like Kinguin and G2A, while there are developers that have agreed with these sites to be the exclusive sellers of their own games. ¯\_(ツ) _/¯ These sites aren't the problem, but some of their users are the problem.

I love games. I want game developers to keep making more games. In order for that, they need to be paid for the games they make. So if I'm going to buy a game, it's going to be from an authorized reseller so that the money goes to the people who made the game so that they can continue making more games.

i think it comes down to invidiual choices.

I personally believe that the hysteria over grey sites is overplayed but then again, what do I even know. That being said, if a game is listed at this and that price and I can buy it, i wont feel bad about it. Its not my responsibility and as far as Im concerned as a buyer, the price could be perfectly legitimate and intended to be listed as such.

I dont feel necessarily "enticed" to play the morality card toward developers unless they care about the customers equally. Its all about business at the end of the day

I think it comes down to how much money i have. I dont have a job atm and im studying, so if i can get a good price on G2A or with a glitch im going for it. But when i had a job i was buying more on steam on sales.