Men are great
Speaking as a man, I can say that we are assholes. We are not great. We are the destruction of this planet... Well, that's all humanity, but I digress.
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Wanna historical lesson?
Just read about cleopatra who manipulated Cesar and other man to make them creat wars for her
So peacefully, isnt it?
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No, but I spend most of my free time as a hobby historian. Specifically, I study the ancient Mediterranean. Books are cheap, knowledge is free.
Neyo’s claim is bastardized propaganda, at best. Feel free to confirm this for yourself, history is not privileged information.
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Calling my opinion a bastardized propaganda, huh?
You better spent more time with people than with books, mister
Maybe then you will be more socialized and polite
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The opinion that you originally stated as fact?
Yes, at best, it’s a bastardization of Roman revisionist propaganda (winners write history and all that jazz). The terminology is not a personal attack on you, just a rebuke of the deliberate spread of misinformation.
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The thing is that u called my opinion like that but at the same time you did the same
You stated your opinion and said that this is truth and I am wrong
Providing no evidences but calling yourself a book reader who knows the truth
I call say that Jesus was a Brazilian warlord
I can also add that i read this fact in book
Does it make this statement true without any evidences?No
Then why do you think that your statement should be trusted?
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This isn't necessarily an academic forum, so I'm not about to launch into a full lecture. However, if you're seriously interested in the topic, feel free to PM me and I can explain how historians reach the point of "trust" on which you seem so focused. There is indeed a large division between opinion and provable fact, which is actually the entire point of studying history.
You are stating unproven opinions as fact. Which you are totally free to do, by the way, but by that same token you shouldn't be surprised when someone like me challenges your opinion in return. I am stating known history as verified by numerous primary and secondary sources, as well as archeological evidence. In today's world, it is important to point out misinformation as it spreads. Unfortunately, this is especially prevalent with ancient history as people often repeat tall tales and legends, falsely believing they resemble actual history.
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I just wanted to give you props for remaining calm and explaining yourself. You were not insulting Neyo, but simply said that popular history as we know it, is sometimes born out of propaganda or popular held belief. We cannot prevent that from happening because we learn it as children and assume (for generations) that what we are told and are taught is accurate (just as that I thought velociraptors were the size of the raptors in Jurassic Park as a kid, a few years I found out that we have more than one moon and the theory that in every solar system there is a black hole at its center). There is no shame in that. There is after all no particular reason to suddenly and randomly doubt what you have learned and what you are told.
And sometimes history is simply altered. It is still done in school books when it comes to crimes committed during colonization (sometimes it is simply skimmed through or only vaguely mentioned), wars (e.g. the Crusades, civil wars), people of power and/or status (too many people to mention) and so on. I am in no way a history buff though. I am sure I still hold beliefs which are not accurate at all. But I am usually not driven enough to do a little research if what I have learned is historically correct.
Cleopatra's story as we all know it reads like a juicy novel; a sensual beauty, royalty and nobles, drama, romance, sex, betrayal, politics, power, etc. So I am not surprised that it is not (entirely) historical accurate. It makes for a better story ;)
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oyvey absolutely, thats just hollywood romanticizing things, with the usual tiny squeeze of social enginering. cleopatra irl must have been a very cunning woman, bred since early age to be devote to the fine art of politics. considering the role she played in that historical context pretty much every sentimental relationship she undertaken she did for political reason. made a very smart use of her genitals tbh.
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women never and will never manipulate man. its a fact. so i agree with you.
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What? That is also a patently untrue generalization. Not sure what you’re aiming at, here.
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Read up on Cathrine the Great sometime. That woman was F***in' Bloodthirsty.
Also, the amazons. There is SOME (Note, I'm not gonna say they absolutely exist, there's evidence on both sides) evidence that they killed their own male children (If they actually existed)
There's plenty more I'm forgetting or don't know about, but I'll leave you with this:
Men and women are equally smart. We can agree on that, yes? Anything else would be sexist. The thing is, men have simply had far more positions of power (For various reasons, not all of which has to do with sexism, tho in older times, this was a factor), than women have. When people (Note: Man OR Woman) have those positions this applies: Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thus, logically, we get that both men and women are just as bad as the other, men have simply had more times and places to express their "badness". At the same time, men have had the EXACT SAME amount of time to express their "Goodness" - "goodness" doesn't make a good news story however, and is thus not reported. OTOH, A Female doing good deeds IS a news story even tho it's exactly as common as a man doing good things. Thus, this is what's reported, making it look like only women do good things.
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As an Argentinian and having witnessed this news you are addressing, I must say... At first, they guy they are bashing is a member of a neo nazi, fanatical religious party. Knowing in our country abortion still is illegal (mostly for religious pressure), the Catholic church is blamed mostly. I agree with you, they should not have assaulted this man. But he was not just peacefully standing with a Catholic flag, he is more than that. And that same day, a large group of women were taken away by policeman wearing civil clothes long after the protest ended, without noticing anyone about this. They had to ask for help via Twitter to notify their loved ones about this. That day was awful, many bad things happened.
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But he was not just peacefully standing with a Catholic flag, he is more than that.
bad things have happened but it looks like you are trying very hard to justify what those degenerates did to that guy, moreover for what he represent and the ideas he stand for, rather than for something he did... wew
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No, absolutely not. I was just trying to give a little more context to the situation, as it happened in my home country and I'm fully aware of what happened. A lot of bad things happened that day as I said, but what I am sorry about is that a lot of people in my country tried to take this and example of "why feminism is a bad thing", when feminism only stands for good things and equality in the first place. It's just a lot of people make it look nasty or hateful, and most of the time the only thing that makes it into the news, is the bad stuff (like this article), that does not represent the feminist ideas at all.
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Just saw this thread again and happened to read this post. It's a day old, but I'll quickly throw in my two cents on the matter.
Read Hitler's Table Talk and then say this stuff again. Read Ordinary Men: Reserve Battalion Solution and then say that what is happening is fine because you've deemed them evil and hateful.
This is just the tip of the mountain. It's one thing to know what you're fighting against on a basic scale. But saying stuff like "it's not all bad" is what happened in WW2.
if you don't have the money/time/interest in pirating, then I'll tell you this about both of these books.
In Hitler's Table Talk (a book which chronicles conversations Hitler had during his meals) you can see how there are parallels with the current 3rd wave feminism movement. The "enemy" has been dehumanized.
Examples:
- People are categorized based on their sexuality, skin colour, gender, disabilities.
- Groups of people that they don't agree with are only called "them" instead of giving real people, organizations, groups etc. "They are trying to smear our name", "The patriarchy is to blame for x, y and z".
- The start is always innocent. Hitler started by trying to cleanse the country. No, it wasn't an ethnic cleanse. It was a literal clean environment cleanse. Factories and public areas were cleaned and beautified for example. Hitler also did other good stuff that isn't mentioned now because of his later actions (Should they be? Ideally, no. But history repeats itself) but in the end it became a snowball effect.
Ordinary Men talks about group mentality. In specific of a police battalion who didn't even necessarily believe in nazi ideology. They were all allowed to leave but no one did because they didn't want others to be left to do their part of the work. Same with 3rd wave feminism. People won't leave the fight because they feel an obligation. You don't want to leave your community. The ones that you've been fighting are now your friends. It's not right to just leave them.
The book shows how these men started off doing some things and not doing the others and how as time progressed, they just did things with little regard. It was hell on their psyche, but over time it became easier and they didn't stop.
So, what are the parallels that can be drawn here? Well, it's luckily pretty simple. 3rd wave feminism started off calmly enough. Requests were made for abortions to be legal, for less sexual misconduct in the workplace and so on. Over time, things started to pile on. It was no longer about the sexes. The movement had grown and interests widened. Now, it's about equality of races, sexes and also genders, which were to show transgender people. Those original interests had also evolved. Abortions shouldn't just be legal, they should also be free, sexual harassment should not only encompass the workplace but every place. And the worst part? The requests had evolved to demands.
But now is where the movement stepped from demanding to downright ridiculous. To clarify why they even got to that place, I'll quickly elaborate. What 3rd wave feminism requested at first was simple and obvious. Of course no one likes sexism. Of course no one likes rape. And in most cases, people are also fine that there's abortion to a certain extent (whether from absolute necessity because of health reasons, disability stats, rape victims or just very early abortions). Their ideals were very universal and that helped the movement gather a lot of supporters. So now that the movement's massive, let's push it a little further. There no longer are 2 genders/sexes. Now there are 2 sexes, but multiple genders. Abortions should be allowed at almost any stage of pregnancy, rape is not just unconsented sex but also regretted sex.
At this point you might even start saying that that's not what feminism desires. That's not your feminism. But that's the problem... it is. The Nazi party wasn't for genocide either... but in reality that's what happened. That's what they did when they had power.
Now you have sister movements like Antifa, which propagate violence against the mysterious "they". They claim to be against fascism, yet that's quite literally what they propagate. "Punch a nazi!", "Kill all racist cops" and so on. This isn't a few bad apples, this is a rotten core.
In a perfect world, this shit would die. Both sides. The feminists and anti-feminists. Both are bad. While anti-feminists aren't as violent, they will be soon because they're just a step behind in their evolution. They'll start demanding ridiculous shit too.
The alt-right didn't just pop out of nowhere, it already existed. But it was always a pathetically small movement. To every action there is a reaction. In this case, there are people who are fed up with the feminist movement and they're just going against feminism. They aren't even necessarily fighting for alt-right, they're just fighting against feminism. I'm not trying to justify either of them, by any means. I'm just saying to the feminists (doesn't necessarily have to be you if you're not a feminist): Look what you made. That's your creation. It's a disgusting Frankenstein's monster of hate and anger. And to fight them, you also use hate and anger, both fueling each other and creating a beasts that are extreme opposites of one another.
This isn't everyone, it's not even a majority. But Hitler wasn't a majority either. Sure, there were some seriously sadistic nazis, but in reality most were everyday people that were reacting to the propaganda they were fed. You had your Hitlers, Rommels and other cruel SS members, but overall it was just men and women.
The few monsters they had were enough to rule all men.
History will repeat itself soon enough. Hopefully it won't be as soon as it seems to be.
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It's not that violent xD I haven't seen blood or anybody being stabbed wink, wink
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women can be as bad like men, is not "historical", I would say human nature
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There's no "we". No man in history gave you the right to declare anything for them.
This probably extends to every single being in the universe.
Any of your bullshit applies only to you.
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Being a whiteknight will earn a lot of WL in this forum. Heck you might even become a mod!
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While this is purely speculative (I wish for the day it wasn't!) I'd bet we fit into the typical nature for early & advancing intelligent species. The way we act and all our tendencies in the majority are a result of the things we needed in-order to survive in the past. Selfishness, egotism, patriotism in groups... Not saying we can't overcome these things, we are conscious- but to say we are all assholes for the way we are currently as a species- I'd alike that to calling nature itself an asshole. We aren't separate from it.
I think for intelligent species like us there would be stages and we're only just coming out of complete ignorance. How long have we known about global warming? 100 years? In a zoomed out table of our progression as a race that's beyond tiny and for 7+ billion people a cultural change that goes against our inherent susceptibility for selfishness for the sake of ease & saving effort- is bound to be slow. (I wonder what the average is for those species that went down the same route).
Not sure what my point here was, but my meaning was maybe the negativity (or at least the hate you feel) isn't as justified you thought. In our society addicted to escapism, we constantly come across these small "perfect", ideal worlds that we've created. And I think a lot of people are too fast to start- maybe unconsciously- comparing the real world to the ones we've created. How many worlds in games or TV shows would you rather live in? I think about some all the time. The thing is; only one of these worlds can actually exist, and only one does. The worlds often take out the gruesome (but very needed bits) of our world and/or add things (that really don't make sense) such as magic and the "chosen one"/protagonist of the universe. All this skews our perspective on the world I think.
Sorry for rant. Seeing so many people hate their species makes me sad. There's not much point in it.
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Men tend to be more aggressive due to the testosterone.
But also it's a societal thing for sure. Shit, I cried during Marley & Me, I'm a pacifist and I don't really want physical confrontation.
But I guess this falls to the pit of "not all".
Just asking though... why do you hate yourself? This isn't even a mild dislike that you're showing, it's actual hate. "We're assholes" and so on. For one, speak for yourself. But two, do you really think of yourself an asshole? Do you think that you're so awful as a human being that no one wants to be around you? And believe me, no one likes an asshole, no matter how many "nice guys" and "nice girls" claim otherwise.
This isn't just self-deprecation, it genuinely sounds sad. Hope you snap out of this self-hate :/
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Speak for yourself. I don't consider myself an asshole and I'm pretty sure my Wife & Daughter think I'm great also.
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No, you can't. In order to think like that, you have to believe in judging people as groups rather than individuals.
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I do. And I include myself in those groups as well because I KNOW I am not better than anyone else.
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Men can be assholes ...
but women too ...
:D
I know because I'm one...
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I disagree with you on that, there were wars started by men because of women, which makes them both equal in guilt. The thing is it's in our nature to seek power and wealth because that can bring us a mate. Prosperity, security and health is what attracts us all, it's in our brain even if we don't think it or like it. We seek beauty in our partner because that could lead to beautiful offsprings which will give them a higher chance to find a mate and spread it's seed. We are still animals, even tho we like to think we're not. Our behavior is similar to a monkey or any other animal, we just are able to create things, that's the only difference.
Now speaking on the subject, I appreciate someone from the women side is thinking on men too, I was asking myself so many times why do women have a higher chance to get the kids in a separation act, that didn't seem very equal to me. You're worthy of my respect and I wish more women were thinking like you.
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speak for yourself and stop projecting, I don't need you to talk for me and generalize everyone to try to look more saint then others
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I am pretty sure that with the right woman (I mean the woman he love and who love him for real) man can move even mountains
Same with the woman
Other stuff doesnt really matter
So If you are at war then this is not ur person =/
As for the other "non love things" each of us decide for himself ;)
Also, hello my WL friend o/
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Love conquers all!
Thank you for the whitelist, I am grateful :)
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Wishlisted you many days ago
I believe I WL you when I created some puzzles or my 1st train when I was asking for some funny/beautiful cat/templar/nature gifs ;)
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I wish we could but for now its not going away. Maybe in the near future it does.
My white grandfather passed away due to depression and suicide. I never was able to meet him.
I know a lot of white males who cannot see their children because of their gender. They bleed every penny of them.
Discrimination can happen to few and not all. As a white female I have never experienced inequality but I am aware it is there. That is what this thread is for but the spotlight is on males!
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Trust me I've had friends and seen posts on facebook where no abuse is there... females instantly get more power.
Literally my sister said her ex couldn't see her baby and the solicitors were like "okay done" now he needs to go through court to see her at a centre
Also I put non expert and expert articles for a reason. I wanted to show all perspectives.
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Oh there's places with white discrimination, mainly from places ran by minorities (not ALL such places, but some). Not that most would believe it (which makes it so effective)
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Right... I'm a contrarian, but I genuinely think that this needs to be said.
Discrimination isn't a bad thing... unless you take the newer, the more politically/socially driven definition.
Discrimination, originally was just recognizing the difference between different things. And that should stay. We aren't the same. We're similar, but not the same. People vary physically and mentally. You don't want a person with serious anxiety to become a paramedic, for example. You might not want a 5'1" woman to start running track. You might not want an older man to do a job where he has to often multitask and be quick.
That's the original term of discrimination. But I guess you're talking of the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. In which case, yeah.
Do men have it easier? Depends on the country. In Europe, not always. In school, women are treated better because girls are seen as better students. The current education system isn't really useful for a young boy. (These are all based on the average subject, not on all men or all women, of course). In Europe, men have an advantage in finding a woman because there are more women than men usually. Maybe in America it's that much different in every day life.
What I'm trying to point out is that if you actually look at possible issues then you might not be claiming that it's that great as a man. Where I live, I genuinely haven't seen that it'd be harder for women than men. At least not yet. I haven't joined the workforce as of yet, so I can't comment on that. But the society is equal for both genders and the education system is definitely geared towards the female gender. Plus, these days, media actually doesn't pay as much attention to male issues. It's just not as popular, I guess.
So, for me, is it bad to be a male? No.
Is it bad to be a female? No.
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This issue is different from country to another, And in other countries its the opposite where men control the most
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I'm sure it is different for different places however it is still there
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Definitely. Matters of equality and what inappropriate things are quietly tolerated varies greatly between locales, sometimes even just on a smaller scale. The internet is a worldwide thing, and its all too often to forget that those silent disparities exist, because we never start each discussion declaring our origins and such. It's been a source of a lot of bad starts to conversation branches, especially given how charged the subject is.
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Thanks for all the info... it’s good to be aware that male inequality is also an issue.
It’s kinda a paradox cuz if you are against male discrimination and not against female discrimination then you are discriminating against females and vice versa...
Best to be against gender based discrimination.
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I don't mean to discriminate against my own gender lol.
I'm just raising awareness for the male side because everywhere I turn it's about females.
You're welcome for the info and thank you for your input! :3
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I don't have the english level sufficient to comment in this matter.
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It's sad to see that it's 2018 and people still don't treat each other equally. One day, that will change however. One day... ._.'
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oh the people that destroyed this community when this was a nice place wiill cringe HARD because this thread. op, your patience will be tested like never before.
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tfw disco entries and drinks are only free for women
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totally agree ...In this days and age men have less right than women.... look what happened to Aziz Ansari... .. Any women can accuse any man without any proof and destroy his everything.
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I like the things you point out.
Equal rights for everyone, not based on any gender would be preferable.
Discrimination cant be fought with another kind of discrimination.
Also.. i would really love a future where 'original sin' (sorry.. dont know the correct translation for 'erbschuld') is not something of your concern. Noone chooses where she/he is born or with what 'properties'.. so.. why blame anyone for that?
let the blacklistings roll in ^^
Btw.. I REALLY dislike your disclaimer! Your opinion has nothing to do with your gender! Its superfluous that you think you need to point that out, even tough i get why you write it.
I m a girl! Or a boy!.. or maybe.. it just doesnt matter!!! I wont get my Internetpoints through my vagina ;P
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Yes. Yes. And yes for gods sake, please, yes!
Thinking of equality is killing me when it all seems to boil down to "i want this bcuz it´s cool but not that bcuz it sucks".
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So I'm confused and curious, what do you even mean with "Provide equal reproductive rights to both sexes"? Because I don't really get what you mean with that o.o
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"If men had the same rights, they too would be able to legally surrender their rights and allow the mother or any other individual to assume legal responsibility for the child."
You know what this would lead to.
A ton of abandoned mothers and their children.
Thing is, if that were the case, men can or rather could just go around conceiving children as they like if there's no consequences (i. e. a child to care for afterwards) for them; women still are "stuck" with a child for 9 months if they don't want an abortion but don't wanna raise it either. I don't think you can compare those two situations at all.
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True, but from the other point it feels a bit creepy that the woman has 100% choice in whether keeping the kid, the man having no say at all, but can be forced into paying for an unwanted kid. Too many stories of women "trapping" the man with a pregnancy, because they have no ground to avoid it. Your approach is very true as well... both situation/scenario can be abused.
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both situation/scenario can be abused.
Right, and that's why I don't really see a working solution for this matter that prevents both scenarios. It's a very difficult topic.
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Most difficult topic are overcome by education (mainly) and information.
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While I agree nobody should pay for a child they didn't want, no man should get to decide what does or doesn't happen with my uterus. If I say no kid (or no abortion in the other case), he simply has no say in my reproductive rights because it's my body, not his.
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I agree, that's why I didn't reply to Elunes' comment either. Of course a man shouldn't force a woman for abortion (or in fact, not aborting either, against her will), and at the same time men shouldn't be coerced into a monetary situation against his will either. The two are obviously not the same as it's always a horror to put a monetary values on health or one's body. Both situations are highly abusable from a malicious other party, they shouldn't exist in those radical examples. And as Elunes said, the situation of man simply saying "they don't want the kid lol" should not be the generic form either, because either carrying the kid to term and giving them away, raising them or aborting all falls on the woman as she needs to be there (again, for obvious reasons). I really don't know if ever could be any universal solution to this ; and while ofc the woman's body is hers, it just feels somewhat one-sided that "my body is my body" arguement is enough to keep / abort a pregnancy on one person's choice, while the raising kid part is a two-person effort and basically one person makes a choice and decision for two.
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I think we disagree on the part where it's a decision for two. While I once again agree that the other person shouldn't be forced into monetary or other obligations towards the child or person they had the child with, I don't agree that raising a kid is an effort that should be made by two people, let alone both parents. As someone who decided to remove an unwilling father from my life, I think my mother has done a great job by herself, and would have done an even better job if my father hadn't been involved at all. This is of course anecdotal evidence and there have been enough supporting people in our lives, but the fact remains that had my mother decided, on her own, to keep me, and had my father not been involved, our lives would have been better for it. Said father also decided, by himself, to stop supporting me financially before he was legally allowed to. Nobody made a problem of it.
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So how child support works can be quite varied from country to country, thanks for the info. And by any means, I didn't mean that two people are required for raising kids - my mother raised me and my brother alone after my father's death. Maybe I just haven't had connection to anyone who raised kid(s) alone while cutting connection to their ex-partner, including financial one. Thanks for the insigh and for your story.
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Aka "has to unwantedly carry it around for 9 months"
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Surprisingly, there are more reasons to have sex other than procreation.
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that doesn't mean "she must of wanted to have children". Sports can lead to having your hand broken, that doesn't mean a person who does it is a masochist that wants to get hurt.
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You know that even using contraception doesn't guarantee that woman won't get pregnant? So no, having sex =/= want to have children / known consequences, their fault.
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No, we're not mindless animals anymore. And intimacy is way more than wanting to have kid. It's way of creation trust, sincerity, making someone happy and so on between parties involved into relationship. If it's only role would be to "make more humans", all fertile females would constantly be either in pregnant or on early stage of taking care of offspring. And it's not true, even among more "primal" communities in like Africa.
If you want to look at yourself like you're salmon that migrate up the river to have sex and die (and not think about anything else) then be my guest. But I'm more than that.
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You just generalize everyone and put them in one basket that suits your point. That's not how you have a discussion.
There are different people. There are asexuals that don't care about sex at all. Sexual people that care bout it a little, and sexual that care about it a lot.
Also if your "hidden urge to have kids" would be true and we still wouldn't be any different than procreating spiders or fish - then we'd also look for partners that would guarantee that offspring would have the best physical traits available. And it's also not true, as not-super-physically-perfect humans do have kids. And in your "biological example" they'd be long overthrown by army of "super-physically-strong" offspring.
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Yew, we are still animals, matching works that way.
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If it's only role would be to "make more humans", all fertile females would constantly be either in pregnant or on early stage of taking care of offspring. And it's not true, even among more "primal" communities in like Africa.
blatantly untrue. nigeria alone is a demographyc bomb ready to explode... in western countries.
If you want to look at yourself like you're salmon that migrate up the river to have sex and die (and not think about anything else) then be my guest. But I'm more than that.
narcissism intesifies
another great analogy right here.
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Woman can give birth from when she's around ~15 y/o to when she's 45 y/o. Gives you 30 years. 2 years per kid = 15 children. And you still have only 7+ category. Not 12 / 15+. So no, I'm not mistaken. Nor I'm blatantly untrue. They live in "primal conditions", and they still don't have 15 children. So all women there don't choose to have kids all the time. It also means that some may have 15 kids, but at the same time others have 0. That's part of statistic.
Yes, because he tries to put his "urges" on all humans, put them all in "society" sack and say that everyone is the same, as he thinks that. So I gave example of animal that goes long way to create offspring, and it's only thing those animals think for few weeks. What's wrong with this?
He doesn't understand people are different. And any kind of generalization will fail and make him look ridiculous.
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implying nigerian women are even in the condition of reaching that age... mskotor pls. of course these kind of statistics trace an average data. even the social condition of a given country is part of the statistic, and your theoretical calculation other than being defective per se, can not be applied in practice to that region considering its social context. for a lot of nigerian women giving birth is literally the last thing they do, and most of those children will not even go past the 5 yo...
perhaps the fact that nor you nor missdefi would end up like a salmon after breeding... ? if you really find accurate to associate pregnancy within the human species with the life cycle of a salmon i could only feel sorry for you.
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Woman can give birth from when she's around ~15 y/o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers
Unfortunately, you're underestimating that minimum by a fair bit.
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Damn, totally forgot about that. But it only proves my point is right. When women can have kids for even longer than I wrote, but they don't.
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I really doubt you aced any college level biology when you cannot even tell the difference between instinct, desire, and impulse.
Instinct will lead an infant to eat (nurse), desire will make someone eat chocolate, lack of impulse control will lead someone to become morbidly obese from eating Big Macs all day.
Your assertion is binary and flippant. Do you think a married couple over 50 years old simply stops having sex? They still have sexual desire. Do you think men and women that cannot biologically have children simply never get sexual desire? Do you think a dog humping your leg is trying to procreate?
Your 'knowledge and experience' aren't doing yourself any favors.
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You assume I am a lib because I question your assertion. I guess it must be easy for you to just dismiss anyone who disagrees with you based on such a shallow premise. For the record, I'm an independent and I think you are either being facetious or deliberately trolling. I have plenty of conservative friends, they all would disagree with you.
That's all fine, you live in a bubble, so let's follow your own flawed logic- you said you have 2 kids and are done having children. I guess you no longer have sex, ever? According to you, the only reason people have sex is because they secretly want more children. Once you had your second child you became celibate I guess.
Really, you are all over the place. You do realize that books are for reading and not for burning, correct? Which university did you go to- I'd like to know which place to avoid sending my own children. When did this become a debate on abortion? Sheesh, I'm done here.
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Comment still stands..if a woman has sex, they want kids (even deep down) Some just want to have it to kill it. My comment has everything to do with abortion.
You seriously believe there are women out there who only have sex for the sole purpose of getting an abortion?
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I agree. My favorite part about having sex is killing the baby later.
Babies are terrible. The world needs less babies.
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I thought I was done, but then you say something even more unbelievably absurd.
Please stop eating paint chips.
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If you are going to insist on getting the last word, at least aim for something intelligent please. =)
I don't eat paint chips..
Is your family tree a circle?
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Why should I be hateful? You don't have any decent insults. ^^
You do know you aren't supposed to swallow that chewing tobacco, right? =)
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You cannot have a decent conversation.
I tried, you decided to rant and rave about 'lib narratives' that only exist in your mind. Do you check under your bed for liberals every night?
If you want to make random assertions than you should back it up with more than just conjecture and insults, but sadly that appears to be all that you have. I'm not sure why you are getting so emotional about it, if you cannot answer simple questions about your claims than maybe you need some time for self-reflection.
You said this:
she must of wanted to have children because she had sex. :P
and
because they secretly wanted a child if they have sex. Sex is for the purpose of procreation..everyone knows this to be a biological fact.
And you also said:
i don't want anymore kids. 2 is enough.
If you have had sex after your second child was born, than your argument makes no sense. You said people only have sex to have kids, and that you do not want anymore kids- so you must not have sex anymore.
I'm sorry but you just don't seem rational. I hope you have a great day! =)
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When someone insults me I have no problem returning the favor. ;)
I still don't think you are rational, but at least you aren't a hypocrite I guess. Enjoy your celibacy and the rest of your weekend! =)
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You just couldn't just take the out I left you, could you? You just had to take the low road, eh? =)
Maybe you shouldn't be so easily offended by the mere rejection of your boisterous (and blatantly ridiculous) allegations. While you are free to surmise and postulate about the physiological and anatomical inference of human copulation, when you do so in public you should be prepared to accept adverse statements and when possible, back up your assertions with evidence. You should be prepared to hear counter arguments.
You provide no proof of your claims, instead you offer mere conjecture and speculation. You resort to false dichotomy and ad hominem fallacious discourse. Your syntax is that of an adolescent, your quid pro quo claims of personal slight read like the sophomoric conniption of a pretentious trailer queen.
Long story short, if you paid for college- you should get a refund.
Now, why don't you go put on your best Sunday pajamas, head down to Wal-Mart or wherever it is you meth mouths like to take each other on a date, and hickspeak with someone who actually gives a shit.
Or, you could simply stop trying to waste my time. Buh Bye! =)
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btw i hate wal fart
Why? Were you conceived and abandoned there? Is Wal-Mart where you had your wedding AND divorce?
Only people who do meth would say crap like you do.
You are the expert. First step is admitting you have a problem!
You are the one who got mad lmao.
Why would I be mad? You haven't been correct about anything in this entire conversation. I feel sad for you and anyone that has to listen to you.
It looks like all that Skoal has made you delusional. I guess this sort of tripe passes for intelligence at the trailer park?
Ever heard of an indentation, or a paragraph? Remember, books are for reading and not for burning! =)
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I don't live in a trailer park
Your 'house' has wheels though. ;)
I will type how I like thank you very much I will do run on sentences if i want also
You will 'do' run on sentences? Holy hell you need some remedial English. ^^
You say you are not mad but you keep trying to speak to me.
Again, why would I be mad? You keep repeating yourself- did you just have a stroke? =/
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It's not every day I get to debate with a meth-addicted trailer troll, so I consider this both entertaining and refreshing! =)
You seem to avoid education as much as you avoid going to the dentist. The gaps in both your teeth and knowledge are not endearing yourself to others, however.
I'm sorry you feel ashamed about your trailer home! I am sure it is a lovely home / meth lab! Do you claim a home office deduction on your taxes? =)
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its all about first impressions. we had a little discussion about the race concept some time ago, dont know if you remember :v
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comparing pregnancy to a physical injury. great analogy right there. ffs
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what's wrong with it? All I was trying to say is that doing action A, that has non-zero probability of consequence B, doesn't mean you want B to happen, it's silly to claim otherwise. Unwanted consequences exist, that's all I meant by that. What Defi wrote sounded to me like "if you're doing something that can lead to something else, therefore you must have wanted that something else to happen", which can only lead to conclusions like the example I posted (I could've gone even further and write that if follow that "logic", then all the car drivers should call suicide hotline, because they obviously want to die in car crash).
Now I've read from MsKotor's conversation with her what exactly she've meant, I still find it ridiculous, but I don't wish to argue about that further, since it's not what's thread about.
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There was a video I watched and a guy asked a... person... how many genders there were... "they" said there is an infinite amount. The guy lold and said that doesn't work cause people need to do paper work.
Long story short. We don't know how many genders there are. cries
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It's midnight and I have work tomorrow, but I agree.
As a male, I will fight for equality, regardless of gender, religion or social status.
There is much to add but.... later.
Thanks for the thread.
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For the love of god don't post videos from PragerU--by posting that tripe, you simply undermine the credibility of any of the legitimate and important issues you actually want to raise.
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You say this even after you posted The Guardian opinion-pieces during your "incident".
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I hope people are educated enough to take everything with a pinch of salt and give their own views. I did not want to change opinions but raise awareness.
I put both expert and non-expert opinions in where I could. It was rather difficult to get research together as I'm rather busy!
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We are all people and and we are all equal(as long as that person doesn't threaten the integrity of society and/or puts someone else's live in danger, there are some people who cannot distinguish between right and wrong and have no morals but that's another matter). Gender matters when you reproduce but in society what matters is what person you are and what you have in your head, not what's between your legs. Or at least that's what I want to believe. But every day I see people who treat other people based on their gender.
For example, I don't like the stereotype society has created that men are supposed to work 24/7, 7 days a week and the woman has to stay home 24/7, 7 days a week, never go out, raise the kids and obey her man. We don't live in the oppressed world of the 20th century anymore. Everyone has to be able to choose what they want to do with their life. I for one am good with kids, I don't mind doing chores, I like cooking etc. basically I'm okay with all housework. If one day I meet a woman who wants to focus on her career I will encourage her to do so and I won't mind to be the one who takes care of the family at home so she doesn't have to worry about it. Perhaps this is one of things I want to actually happen. I want to believe that I don't have to be the typical stereotype man that society wants us all to be. Also I don't see how gender determines who is a better parent. Take a look or remember your teachers. There are/were good ones and bad ones from both genders. It can be the same in the family.
Sadly this is huge issue in a lot of places. I don't want to mention certain countries and religions. But people need to start thinking realistically and morally. We are all human and we all have feelings. Nobody has to obey you and what what you want especially when you don't care about their feelings and dreams. If you are good at something you should pursue it. I've seen cases of men being fired and get replaced by women to attract more customers even if the guy was doing his job perfectly. But this happens the other way around as well. The problem here isn't gender equality but that women generate a lot more income for their boss on certain jobs and vice versa. Money and people's greed for money dictates everything.
What triggers me the most though is the assumption everyone makes that we have to own something, that we have to have something to be someone in society. That if you are a man you must own a car, you must be some Alphamale 100kg beast like the WWE wrestlers etc. If you are not ALL of those stereotypes you are some flat shit nothing. Sorry but even though a car is something convenient I don't plan on owning one, I have no need for it. I think it was one of the worst choices in history to make cars available to everyone. The only thing that did is bring money to the big corporations who sell them and those who sell the fuel. It has brought more misery than happiness to human society. Can you imagine the world without personal cars?(never mind another topic).
TL;DR. Oh I wrote a wall. I might have gone astray of the topic even. I need to socialize more and go out more but nobody likes me. Must be because I'm not Alpha and I don't own expensive things so I'm nothing. Sometimes I'm worried about my mental health for real.
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Well that's a baby-boomer mentality, you must have a car and a house, and then you are successful, I don't have either those things, felt into that trap and went into depression, going into recovery.
Nobody has anything for sure. World is mean, absolutely, human is still a primitive beast, so live as you please, under the legal limits, don't be an as**** with others and be happy with yourself, your decisions, are that YOURS, point the middle finger at what others think. Your choice going out and walk, or stay and gaming, whatever makes you happy is for you.
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I didn't read all the post, I have read so many trash comments and heard speaks about it and now I just don't have the mood to continue.
So ignore my comment if it's not the case of this topic.
But what I will write is quite general.
Is okay to request equality being on the "strong side", but just have in mind that for many time the other side didn't have the rights and look if what you are asking is to take away what they earned with so many time. "Because it looks more equal to you".
Even today still beter on society to be a man than a woman. Think about if you still think it's the opposite.
But well, from what I've read on this topic a few lines it seems okay so I prefer to stop and think thats the first reasonable topic I saw about it and not the ones saying things like "if a man hit a woman he probably will be in jail but with the opposite she probably won't".
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You're right. That's not to say that being a man is without its problems, and these problems are things we need to work on, and the end goal should be equality, but as it stands, men are still at an advantage, even in countries that supposedly have come very far in terms of achieving equality, like Sweden.
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I have a feeling that you're a double agent here. Saying that its bait seems to be a bait in and of itself.
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Eh. You're needlessly complicating things. The post is bait, and it worked. It hooked a whole lot of outrage and argument and assholery.
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Well, if that's the standard of being a bait post then almost every single post is bait :P
Usually a discussion tends to have these things.
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With Donald Trump as President Discrimination will Not End anytime soon.
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Never thought I'd be using my blacklist and whitelist to sort between the MRAs (BL) and the feminists/equal rights supporters (WL) but here we are! It shows an extreme lack of cognitive processing power to get "men are discriminated against" out of "the historical trend of patriarchy produces a community structure where white men have an inherent power over women and non-white people, which feminists and equal rights activists seek to dismantle in favour of a balanced solution."
No one is looking to take your rights away from you guys, we just want a freaking seat at the table. And that is all I'm saying on the matter.
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For one, I don't get the idea of using a blacklist/whitelist for punishing/rewarding opinions.
But also you do realize that everything isn't just black and white, right? That everyone genuinely isn't equal (physically and mentally).
Men have more muscle mass, women tend to live longer.
Men tend to be taller, women tend to be more agile.
So, that just shows that this isn't an equal thing.
What the OP (and me and many others) want is that there'd be an end to this stupid shit. Everyone can have a shitty time. Your shitty situations aren't more valid than other shitty situations. It's all bad. Why is the inequality in the courtrooms less important than the issues of sexual harassment in the workplace.
Why divide everything? OP wanted to direct attention to a less mentioned topic, yet it all has to turn political for you. Shows how you don't really care about the actual issues, you just seem to care about identity politics. I hope it wasn't always like this.
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Creating awareness on discrimination against one group doesn't hurt awareness on discrimination against another group. "men are discriminated against" does neither mean that all men are discriminated against nor in every shade of life nor that they're more discriminated against as women.
If you understand this as a fight, equality has already lost.
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People say the same thing to those against BLM. I'm willing to bet cunthulhu has in the past. I've seen a lot of hypocrisy with this "criticism" (supporting group A with their issues means you don't care about group B).
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Slow clap Without this I wouldn't notice I'm on your BL
I will tell you a short story, while I got on the lowest from my crippling depression I couldn't access to proper mental health because almost all the government facilities are focused on women, sure I can access to other institutions... on other cities 300 KM far away.
I'll not try or debate with you, a proper talk can't be established with someone who hasn't been 'outside the box'.
Sorry for clapping, here my kitty jazz hands.
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are you aware that blacklist or whitelist were created for giveaways purposes, right?
are you also aware that you have to make giveaways to make that works, otherwise no one will be affected, right?
because... you know... no one cares enough about snowflake generation bullshit.
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...which feminists and equal rights activists seek to dismantle by shaming those who speak up about male discrimination, pushing a narrative that being a man or white makes you inherently privileged, shaming women who make their own lifestyle and career choices, judging people based purely on their race, sexuality, and gender rather than their quality, promoting a victim-mentality that teaches that everything bad that has happened in your life is the fault of a mystical force that seeks only to oppress.
There, I fixed it for you.
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blacklists, whitelists. these are the reasons why sg forum is a joke.
for the believers: show how smart you are......
bait post worked. :)
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That's kinda stupid for me, if someone would really want equality why not calling them equalities? positive discriminating its also "bad" , it isnt? so why machism is bad and feminism is good?
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Im not confusing anything, someone made a positive discrimination giving the female word a good meaning and the male word a bad meaning
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I was talking about the definition of feminism and of machism but it doesn't matter.
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I get what you mean. I just don't believe those people exist. Just like I don't believe evil exists.
I'm concerned about humans losing hope. All of them. I see no gender or color that makes better or worse. That's just my point.
Peace
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inequality exists in every corner of our society. in one corner its about woman in another corner its about men. we are raised and teached this way and even sometimes find myself thinking that men or woman shouldnt do this or that because it is in our everyday. we are kind of brainwashed. We can think outside of the box if we just forget about gender or look and just focus on the actions that person does. We have a long way and we should start with raising our kids the right way. The only correct and long term solution to that problem.
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My grandfather committed suicide over 20 years ago. After researching male suicide I created a thread with information that got to me related to male issues. It was a shit thread. Now there is no thread. I'll just stop trying.
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