i thought it would take longer
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That's quite an impressive edit. Some source code changing I suppose?
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Ooh, new request to join button on Steam? Fancy. Also interesting idea for a group, I'm in. 😛
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This might not end well...
So do have your mods act as bailiffs and audit the donator star every month and kick those who didn't renew their donator sub? What if they have running GAs?
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Yes... Or no, but probably... Still it's bit more complicated as the regular level status doesn't seem to appear on profile.
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Are you going to create a new post every month and ask everyone in the group to comment to prove they still have the star ? Have fun checking everyone are donors constantly !
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I will have fun... ;D
I hope that star will be added to user page. Otherwise it's big more complicated to track.
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That's one option. ´Doesn't help if people hide their stars that is an option...
Still, have to see if there is even sufficient population to support this sort of group.
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how do you do that ?
Sorry if it's a a kind of joke, I don't understand it >_<
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I can vouch for his honesty! Know him in real life and I don't remember him ever telling a lie :D! He's been less active here recently cause he's doing all kinds of projects, latest one I heard of was him helping recovering addicts. Really friendly/ helpful guy, won't find a more honest character around here that's for sure.
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True, it's already filtering for people giving away money! So maybe we are exploitable. Or just nice ;D
EDIT by popular declaration giving money means person is a bad person. As such we all are bad persons to many members of this community.
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You have six people in your group - literally a third of them are aggressive bullying shitbags who have put me off posting trains for nearly a year. This is the Steamgifts elite? No - I don't think they are nice or even marginally supportive because they suddenly have a star next to their name.
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Have you considered that term elite can be used as an insult?
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Some people use 'nazi' as an insult. Does that mean Hitler wasn't necessarily bad? That maybe the final solution was just ironic? I don't know what your point is.
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Neither do I yours. If you aren't interested in this group or dislike it's members, you are free not to join or partake in this thread...
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I'm not interested in the group and I'm not going to join. But you are posting in a public place and if you are saying its members are nice or anything else then I don't see why I shouldn't have opinions.
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At least they are giving something to the site be it money this time.
Which is lot more than whining on the forums on trivial use of single word. And clearly taking it's use as personal insult.
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In the interest of fairness, you knew exactly the kind of responses this thread/group could garner.
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Yeah, some people just don't get light hearted fun. So whine and people taking insult is just to be expected.
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So what's your point? it's OK to treat people like shit as long as you give $3 a month? People are nice as long as they give $3 a regardless of what else they do? Or I need to shut up and keep out of your thread while your members are free to shit up mine?
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If they break the rules report them? Blacklist already exist.
I'm not the police of my members... Or should all groups they are member of kick them out? Do you actively work towards that too?
Also you are clearly suggesting that giving money to the Patreon isn't a nice thing to do?
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I'm not suggesting anybody broke the rules. I'm not telling you to police your members - and I never suggested that giving money to Patreon wasn't a nice thing to do. You are just putting words in my mouth.
I'm simply having an opinion on you suggesting your group is elite, nice or even marginally supportive given your membership.
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So giving money is marginally supportive? Yeah sure dude...
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Well I could go outside and give money to a tramp and then kick shit out him. Would that be marginally supportive?
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I thought I did and I checked my dictionary to make sure and it turned out I was right. It means to a limited extent or slightly.
I still feel you have folks that overall still aren't doing that much for the site even if they are chucking in $3 a month to Patreon.
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Rather lot more than any other single user having adds on...
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There is clear difference between what helps the site and what helps the community.
Giveaways help the community, but are actually a cost for the site itself paradoxically.
Clicking and being served relevant adds or using the refferal links are things that help the site. Albeit they are very small, as such even a 3$ donation vastly triumphs these.
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So this is the new steamgifts. $3 a month will forgive any behaviour. You can bully and abuse other users, you can leech from the site, you can do whatever you want - but as long as you give to Patreon you are a net positive. Thank you for clarifying that.
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Did I ever say that? Did anyone but you ever even suggest that? I just said that MAYBE we are just nice!
I didn't ever imply that we are... That is just something you came up out of nowhere....
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Pick one or the other then. You have users that aren't marginally supportive to the site because their bullshit far outweighs $3 a month. Or else I don't know why you are discussing the difference between the site and the community and the importance of referrals and so forth. We can move forwards from there.
You said maybe you were just nice, which you are entitled to do - and I gave my opinion on that which I felt entitled to do as I didn't see this was a private conversation...
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I can admit that I am not a nice person and it is that clearly neither are you. And I can admit that some of the other members of this group might not be nice people either. As I don't put any sort of value judgements on them. Only requirement is to show that they have some patreon feature turned on.
Still I think it's pretty cool and nice thing for someone to donate to site that allows people to give games to more or less strangers. I haven't ever argued that it makes them nice or justifies their other behaviour. But somehow some people pulled that out of their ass...
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"EDIT by popular declaration giving money means person is a bad person. As such we all are bad persons to many members of this community."
I'm really not the one pulling stuff out of my ass here...
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I took you stance. I don't think there is any value in continuing this argument...
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It was never an argument. You just ignored a bunch of stuff that I said and made things up instead.
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No you started it by making stuff up and generalising actions of few members of community to whole community.
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You are making shit up again.
In my first reply I specifically said I had an issue with a third of your six members. That means two people. It is literally two of your members that have bullied me in the past. I have tried not to make blanket statements.
"I still feel you have folks that overall still aren't doing that much for the site"
"You have users that aren't marginally supportive to the site because their bullshit far outweighs $3 a month"
And so on and so forth. I never criticised all your group - you have nice people in there too and I never previously had an issue with you.
The same as you claiming that 'popular declaration giving money means person is a bad person' - nobody said that!
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I've seen you stick up for people I consider to be some of the worst at harrassing and singling out people for their special comments. Apparently bullying is subjective.
It's not ok to forgive people who donate $3 but its ok to forgive people who post funny gifs, make big trains or giveaways above level 9. Its the same shit.
Fwiw, the entire patreon thing is asking for trouble as a dividing line, I agree with you there.
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"It's not ok to forgive people who donate $3"
What? I've never said there was anything wrong with donating to patreon. I'm just saying it doesn't suddenly make people nice. It's entirely different stuff that I'm not forgiving people for just because they made a $3 donation.
"but its ok to forgive people who post funny gifs, make big trains or giveaways above level 9. Its the same shit."
Yeah, because I get along really well with everybody who does that. I'm absolutely notorious for sucking up to everybody who makes big trains and high level giveaways. /sarcasm
That said, I'd agree that bullying is subjective. And I don't agree with everything that certain people do even if I do stick up for them on other matters. I was one of the people that thought the patreon was a great idea but I'm having second thoughts if it is just going to be this divisive.
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Was always going to be divisive, a lot of these prolonged arguments start getting off track was just trying to calm things/bring some outside perspective to things.
I also wasn't aiming my point directly at you. I mean in general people do forgive and forget shit things just because "lol Mr Popular forum guy did a funny" or "Mrs big game giver needs to like me so i can enter their giveaways".
How long before the "no patreon" group starts. Full blown forum war which is hard to mod because its the site owner who started it...
I'm going to just avoid it as it already feels like its becoming not about patreon but about things that have long since passed.
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Well I can only speak directly for myself rather than people in general. And I try not to generalise about others, despite occasionally failing and accusations to the contrary. My whole point was that groups of people aren't homogeneously 'elite', 'nice', 'supportive', 'bad' or 'good' just because the support a patreon - exactly the same as groups of high-level users, low-level users, game collectors, people who make trains, card farmers, weeaboos, etc.
I don't really see a repeat of the Payday 2 skins/no-skins war. In this case cg never actually promised there wouldn't be DLC or microtransactions for steamgifts and it isn't like people need to buy drills to open their wins yet. Although the site may well now have a pay2win element if this group is making giveaways already - as in paying directly to cg and receiving access to extra giveaways rather than just buying levels and friends with games purchased off-site.
I don't feel strongly about patreon and I'm the first to admit I was kicking off over stuff that happened way back. That clearly isn't a positive thing. A long time ago I quit all my SG groups, stopped making topics and started ignoring a lot of things because there just too much negative drama. And I should stick to that - but clearly there is a lot of unresolved bitterness ready to pop out. And although I should know better sometimes it does. Mainly when I perceive people as 'getting away with it'...
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I think we're all a little guilty of going a bit mad when we're angry! You've done nothing wrong just wanted to try and bring some calm to things. :)
I left all my groups and took a break from SG too, was very healthy. I don't enter GAs now my backlogs too big.
Stay safe anyways mate, end of the day, internets not worth your sanity.
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Huh, we need to forgive people for making giveaways above level 9 :O?
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This is getting really ugly very soon... giving money to an organization doesn't make anyone generally a nice person, only supportive for that cause. I won't get a better person on SG for supporting my local animal shelter, and I can't demand it either. Way too many people use donations to a cause of their choise as a shield and reason to pose as nice, while they are stepping on others and act super cocky. You're just enforcing this narrative by ignoring shitty behaviour but calling them nice for paying some money. It's a sad world when monthly 3-15$ is enough to ignore all wrongdoings and jerkyness and just blanket-call people "nice".
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At least they are giving something to the site be it money this time.
Anyone making giveaways is "contributing" to the site, as giveaways are what draw more visitors.
Don't kid yourself over $3 a month. Like I said, you can't buy "nice."
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Okay, so we have come to conclusion that everyone who give the 3$ is clearly a bad person. And shouldn't be using this site in the first place...
Good now that is clear for everyone...
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Please don't presume to put words into my mouth.
I get enough people trying to do that already.
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I'm considering the patreon. I'd rather stab myself in the dick than join this group.
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Check this thread: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Pp9ul/patreon-live if you are interested in giving money to this site.
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Some people truly seem to hate this idea ;D
I don't really understand why they care so much... As for OP it should be clear that it's pretty much circlejerk joke...
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Apart from the fact that your jokes ended being funny around a year ago. Now you're just acting like a total fool.
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Yeah... But hey, there is some fun in being a fool. As long as you don't end up in useless arguments with other fools. Which I have failed here...
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useless arguments with other fools
You've put words into the mouths of two other people in this thread (and many more who haven't even posted, actually), and you call them fools for the words you put there?
Hmm.
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And those fools started it by taking my words and twisting them to attacks and generalisations.
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I'm one of those two "fools" and I didn't attack you at all, nor did I make any generalizations.
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I don't understand where the whole "buying nice" was in my words.
Then again I still think it's rather nice thing to support the site monetarily... I never said it would make that person nice. But that is the kind of twisting and invention of narrative that is so common these days...
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So maybe we are exploitable. Or just nice
Your words. "Maybe we are ... just nice."
You're the one twisting your own words now and changing your meaning Not me.
I have nothing against contributors, but, in point of fact, you're the one making generalizations here.
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Maybe nice, maybe elitist assholes who like special things...
Maybe just nice...
Doesn't imply nice. Just potential of being nice... Don't you agree?
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Everyone has the potential of being "nice."
$3 a month doesn't have any bearing on anything. You're the one who implied it did. ;)
Kinda my whole point.
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Yep, still I consider donations to be a nice thing that a marginally nice person would do. I don't understand what madness pushes people to take it beyond that...
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You and I clearly have different definitions of "nice."
I'll stick to mine, though, and i'll be sure not to call you a fool for disagreeing. :)
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I like to think that, despite some of my asshattery on occasion, the giveaways I make are helpful to the site - rather than nice :P (maybe I'll try for nice some other time - after a bit of practice of course) /s (with you all the way here:P )
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It's because you're trying to defend a certain group of individuals, while at the same time, berating these individuals for acknowledging that they're doing it for personal gain. You're literally going through these conversation in circles.
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Nice and generous are not the same thing. One can be nice but not generous and vice-versa. Niceness is a personality trait that says said person is pleasant to be around.
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Donations are a nice thing. They are something that a nice person might do. Many people who make donations are nice people. But clearly complete assholes are also capable of making donations. If a complete asshole makes a donation they don't suddenly become nice.
You have people in your group that have made me really fucking miserable. I'm not buying that making a $3 donation has suddenly elevated them to nice or even marginally nice. $3 and a star does not suddenly make up for everything that happened and then give somebody credit on top of that. This is where I'm flipping my shit.
To clarify; I don't mind if people want to donate to patreon. I don't mind if somebody wants to start a group for people who donate to patreon. But it's just a group for people who donated to patreon. I'm not saying it makes people bad - but it sure as hell doesn't automatically make people nice either.
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Why do you keep saying that I said people making donations makes them nice despite any of their actions?
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True, it's already filtering for people giving away money! So maybe we are exploitable. Or just nice ;D
I don't really want to interfere, but I'm pretty sure it what you said here...
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So I said they might be exploitable? Why no one has attacked that one?
OR is not an AND. I don't understand why people need to attack based single word.
They must be really sad people if they can't consider that people have nice and not so nice sides. And clearly have too much of the later. As anyone else would let it just go.
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"Fools", "toxic", and now "sad people."
Some advice? Stop with the insults. They're not helping your case, and they're not "nice" at all.
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I'm not the one who started useless flame war here. By misusing my words...
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Oh, so now it's my fault you're insulting people? Or is it Sixes?
$3 a month doesn't make you nice.
You're right. I'm awful.
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Yeah, we all are. After all I think there are no nice people in the world. Or very very few. Certainly not here...
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"Yep, still I consider donations to be a nice thing that a marginally nice person would do."
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Because anyone even not slightly nice would just leech. And not even make giveaways...
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So are you now saying that anybody who makes giveaways is at least slightly nice? And there aren't any leeches who make giveaways to maximise their leeching?
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@ Sixes.
Even more confusing - are level 0's who donate slightly nice? :O
(and I can actually think of one who might, if he's still around Nvm, hasn't been on in 3 months)
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Well they said earlier that I clearly wasn't nice. Although I make giveaways so apparently I am nice. What if I made a donation? At first I was angry but now I'm mostly just bemused.
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I support your right to your opinions, but I think at this time, none of you are getting anywhere with this discussion.
It think it's fair to call a cease fire as nothing is going to be accomplished.
Feel free to ignore me if you wish, I'm saying this more as a member than as support.
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I support your right to your opinions, but I think at this time, none of you are getting anywhere with this discussion.
It think it's fair to call a cease fire as nothing is going to be accomplished.
Feel free to ignore me if you wish, I'm saying this more as a member than as support.
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Yes, I'm saying that anyone who donates by either directly or by making some giveaways is at least slightly nice. Or exploitable, as we well know it's rather useless to game levels on SG...
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I support your right to your opinions, but I think at this time, none of you are getting anywhere with this discussion.
It think it's fair to call a cease fire as nothing is going to be accomplished.
Feel free to ignore me if you wish, I'm saying this more as a member than as support.
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If you manage to pull this off without it turning into a shitstorm you'll deserve a medal or something. Sadly if I had to guess I'd say that this thread will become so toxic that it will even start bleeding its toxicity into other threads.
Good luck, you are going to need it.
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It is clearly already been made toxic by some actors... Thanks for well wishes.
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Some people hate ideas because some other like it, they would love it if other hate it. Contradiction spirit you know, they don't even know why.
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I was just checking this thread again out of curiousity and if I'm not wrong this reply was meant to be for me (if not just ignore me).
My main worry isn't that this will become toxic, it already was when I wrote my comment, what I fear is that it might spread into other discussions. Maybe you should have waited a few days before starting this group, to give the whole thing time to settle down a bit, no need to jump into the boiling water.
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I wonder what's next? SG GA's for which we must pay a fee to enter?
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Hmm... Stupid thing here is that the payment doesn't go towards mods of the group... ;D
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Hum I pushed to enter cause it's a group. So I wonder if I had to....
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Please don't feed the trolls, Ekaros because now they have a new bone to chew on they will grow exponentially! ^^
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I'll take the chance to thanks you again for making the blue theme, it doesn't show any star so I have a cleaner/classic SG forum experience :D
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[This comment is available for SG Goldâ„¢ donators only]
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This is a bad idea right? Right?
I should shut it down right now?
Anyway... Simple group for those who have decided to donate... And proudly display the star... No ratios, no giveaways, no discussions, Nothing of value...
No avatarReally bad avatar even...http://steamcommunity.com/groups/sgpatrons
If you are interested, post here and send request.
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