I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT NO SWITCH GIMMNMEIO PC NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
SWEARY!~!@!!!!!!!
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not to confuse with Epic. nintendo supports and is involved in the development process of many of its exclusives.
different then throwing money at a finished product.
i could vent a lot about Nintendo and Sony being lead by old businessman, but this is not a relatively new fad.
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Throwing money at a finished product is not giving money to make/finish a game. The game is already done, there's nothing to finish.
Sony/Nintendo exclusives likely wouldn't have been made if it wasn't for the funding, that's why people are more forgiving of such console exclusives
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The majority of EPic exclusives are indies that have stated numerous times that they took the contract so they have enough money to actually finish the game. The only big difference is that Epic takes on active projects that have a good chance of making money, Nintendo funds them even at the start but also takes the publishing rights in exchange.
So, pick your poison: Epic that has year-long exclusives on lucrative-looking live projects, or Nintendo who will pay the bills but takes the entire thing at the end for itself, forever.
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Couldn't be further from the truth, each game was close to a finished state and marked to soon release on steam, they just went steam shopping like we all do, but on a larger scale
for a number that may or may not be close to real sales projection, and to those who sign the exclusivity deal, who makes the most money after the deal is over?
Perhaps devs are in a more stable position and may actually focus on full time development for the next project, which again Epic will certainly wait to see if its worth signing an exclusivity deal
Let me ask you this, if Nintendo is supporting games like DP and Bayonetta, which are niche and risky projects. And Sony can drop large ammounts of money on Single Player experiences like GoW and Whatever Kojima is doing, because they can depend more on console sales than the actual game sales numbers
I would just like to know, which project as Epic Backed from the start, that would not be made if Epic didnt support it?
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This is what I said… -.- They pick games that seem profitable and give them enough money to actually finish the project. Hello Neighbour, The Cycle, Satisfactory, Phoenix Point and possibly Spellbreak will all leave Epic as full products yet not enter there as such. Lessens the probability of us ending up with half-baked half-finished games like Mighty No.9.
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You know, the difference is that no other company in their right mind would take a chance on Sweary.
Its either DP2 on the Switch or no DP at all. And everyone is still mad about it :I
And even then i dont fully agree with you. Hello Neighbour would eventually be finished, as it was in early access and showing some progress. meanwhile Hades got that sweet Epic money and still arrived on steam unfinished.
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Well, yes. For me, it is baffling why he had the chance to create any game after his first one. It is almost as big of a mystery as who in their right mind keeps giving David Cage money to continue whatever the fuck he is doing that is sure as hell not "video game" creation. But this thread is about the next Sweryx game, so meh, if people are happy about it, I won't stand in their way of enjoying it.
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i will give you this, money was indeed given by a company in exchange for control over their IP. Not that i was arguing whether or not both fit the same definition.
As for the quality, no one denies that DP is a bad game. it is possibly the most original unoriginal game ever created, as much of it is a rip off of something else. there are so many "homages" that even Nintendo is represented in the original soundtrack with the song "life is Beautiful"
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Used to be permanent so I consider that an improvement.
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wow, for nintendo eh
what about those BUGS, are they port it too?
what about original PC version... sigh
they even skip DP2 for PC
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Not to support emulation or anything, but, does everyone realize that in a year or two, you will be able to play these games just fine on Yuzu.
The fact that it DP2 got made is good news to me.
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This bid'ness is why I end up tuning right out when people flip their shit about EPIC store exclusivity stuff.
The most vocal then usually say nada now where they'd logically be thrice as loud.. The difference is like getting a normal apple (choice), to having to eat a rotten apple (EPIC), to having to eat that rotten apple out of a fat greasy guy's asshole (Nintendo et al).
Console exclusives actually prohibit you from playing the game unless coerced into added expense. Nominally the same price yet requiring you fork over MORE money for yet another system of equal (or lesser) capabilities due to the same sort of artificial paid/pushed exclusivity.
Compared to this shit, I'd LOVE Epic exclusivity. That's just "oh no, the same price (or less), but the lazy monopoly you prefer doesn't get their cut and you can't utilize the cosmetic/community features you desire." Sheeet, some people go further and consider themselves entitled to pirate the thing then too. So ultimately they still GET to play the thing at least. Albeit, without all those extras whose absence justified piracy, so uh maybe not so important afterall but the price is right?
All the same Epic people oughta be shouting "FUCK NINTENDO!" " with the same vigor everytime one of these announcements pops up. Especially considering something as goddamn amazing as DP2 when (I think) the first was like 360 exclusive for a really long time anyway. Yet it happens not.
Man. Fuck Nintendo.
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I don't disagree entirely, but ports cost money (or not needing to worry about porting saves money). Man hours of dev, UI art, testing, and passing platform compliance checks. (I grant that taking the time to do that probably also results in more sales, hopefully offsetting the cost, and porting isn't as awful as it used to be.)
The deals with Epic aren't saving any of those porting costs though; since it's still all just PC files, the deals are practically pure anti-consumer -- just a straight up "fuck you, buy it here or don't buy it at all" without any other reason for the dev/pub to do it than shiny guaranteed cash. ("Practically pure" because you could make the argument that the devs staying in business with Epic monies is pro-consumer in the long run.)
Again, I don't disagree entirely, but hopefully that helps clarify why Epic's business moves rub me the wrong way more than console exclusive do. (But... also because I don't play on consoles...)
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I mean, if a company expects to lose more from multi-platform than gain, they just release on one platform already. There's no need for any big "console exclusive!" push and payoffs. (Hence why lots of smaller companies don't actually do multi-platform stuff, or may two like an xbox and pc release, etc. They're calculating for what they expect to make back already).
Where your reasoning ends up going wonky is by considering terms of "cost" rather than "opportunity cost," which includes the cash they would lose by NOT making ports instead. Any savings aren't relevant beyond their part of the net equation for how much shiny money guaranteed it takes to offset (or so they hope) the earnings of going multiplatfrom they forgo. The decision here is the same as people going to EPIC, all about the money. And the entire reason for paying is closing otherwise open avenues. Thats all.
Kinda funny though. If you now following through on the premise that inherent savings validates the exclusivity then the argument ends up: "Nintendo doesn't have to pay them as MUCH as Epic would so its okay to wall off everyone HERE" and doesn't favor to devs anyway.
So it very much should rub you the same way. Nintendo's blockage is very specifically "FUCK YOU BUY OUR CONSOLE!!!" Picking a cult game like DP2 with a modest but dedicated enough fan-base to follow it wherever is a really damn great way to get people to buy their split shit. And a fuck load worse for we PC players than if EPIC had paid them off. .
Hell man.... not being a console player is exactly why it should matter EVEN MORE than something Epic exclusive (If you had any interest of playing DP2). You'd still have a choice for the same cost despite Epic "exclusivity" but here "EXCLUSIVITY" costs a fucking console.
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Best LP ever made. Especially since so many couldn't play the game cause of the fubar port and you can get a feel for what it really is.
It is a legit good game though, and not just ironic good cause its bad like a lot of people treat it. There is admiditly so much other stuff wrong with DP that its easy to miss the great stuff so thats why we have a supergreatfriend to help us here.
edit heres the one with the playlist to save time of tracking it down and without the embeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFpYKx9m3NU&list=PL845B60D60A411471
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Note that a couple of videos from that list were removed thanks to copyright issues with the film reviews. Probably better to just link here: https://archive.org/details/LP_Deadly_Premonition
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In addition the original Deadly Premonition is also getting a new port on this console.
Check the trailer from Nintendo Direct
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