Kinda doubt that will be useful/beneficial if you "buy smart"
in the first place ... examples or never happened.
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Sounds great on paper, but unless more info is provided I'll remain skeptical.
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+1. great news indeed, but no one will give up their profit til they prove otherwise..
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they simply change discount of the pack if you own too much and would be saving too much ;p In my case bundle for me is discounted by 63% instead of 73% ;p
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It seems more likely that the percentage has been skewed by the games you own. Notice the fact that the "bundle discount" of 15% did not change between your tests. The overall percentage of 73% is the average discount across applicable games, not the total discount of the bundle. It's a shady display tactic that steam has been using for a long while. If you owned most of the games that were on lower current discount, that 73% would inch closer to 80% by averaging.
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weird i own none of the games and the discount for me still is 73
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like i said - the more you own (aka the less you would pay) the lesser discount gets ;) ppl were reporting discounts from 73% (if you own a few games) through 72/71% for owning less than ten but more than 4 games, 69% for owning 11+ to me and other user having 63% discount as we own over 20 games in the pack ;p
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The difference is based on the individual discount of each game. Some games are at 80%, some at 50% and then the last few are at 40% off. If the games you own are all 80% off and you leave the 40-50% off games in the package you are to purchase then it changes the overall % you get as a discount.. hence mine goes from 72% to 67% .. I own 13 items that are all at 80% off and none of the 3x 40% and the 50%.. pushing the discount down on my total.
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Is it compulsory for publishers to follow these new rules? I can't image Activision ever agreeing to sell their stuff for less than the bs prices they do currently.
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Only as far as they have publisher packs/franchise packs/complete edition packs I guess.
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I think it's a very smart move. I hate the feeling of having to pay for some titles in a bundle that I already have bought earlier and thus I usually avoid buying great bundles on steam where I own some of the games already.
Edit: But... it would suck if they started to force books, soundtracks etc in the bundles just because of this. I'm on steam to play and buy games.
Edit 2: Can't say that I'm particularly impressed by the Headup Games Complete bundle. I own 21 of the games and my resulting discount would be 15%
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can you also tell us what sale discount you get on that pack? because I get 63% off instead of 73% off owning 20/31, while other users report seeing normal discount even with a few games owned.
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It's 63% for me as well, but something feels off. Maybe I'm just used to better discounts though :P
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you're right being used, because discount for whole bundle is 73% ;p
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Yes, but I actually think it's fairly logical because I probably own the most discounted games in the bundle already. The remaining individual discounts and the bundle discount on that isn't very tempting though :)
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Zonitron had 40% discount for the three remaining games that I don't own yet.
Upon checking Daedalic Armageddon where I own 6/11 of games, no such option for discount is available.
I also checked Civilization V, I own only the base game and the complete pack didn't have anything to discount.
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It's a new option, and hasn't been implemented widely yet
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it is worth noting that you still get screwed a little bit anyway. If I go to http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/225/ it will tell me I'm missing only 11 games from the bundle and will offer it at 63% discount. Now if I open the same link in incognito mode (or logged out of steam) to see the full discount I will see it's on 73% sale. So yeah - they just turn profit from "less games sold" into profit from "will offer weaker discount to compensate ourselves".
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It showed different prices for me, I own 2/31.
P2,042.41Individual price of the 29 items you don't already have:
15% Bundle discount:
P1,735.99 Your cost:
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I guess owning 2/31 is not such a loss for them as owning 20/31 ;p
Image showing different discount:
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Works fine for me :x
I own 4 games from it, the price was reduced by the price of those 4 games together (compared to incognito mode).
Okay, not exactly as I said after i calculated...
| Stuff | Price |
|---|---|
| Price in private browsing | ₹ 1,915.05 |
| Price of the 4 games | ₹ 248.00 |
| Price while logged in | ₹ 1,704.25 |
| What it should be if it was directly subtracted | ₹ 1,667.05 |
| Difference | ₹ 37.20 |
Edit: It says 74% while logged in, 75% while not (Explains the difference I guess)
Okay, I guess I understood you wrong.
The discount is applied to the remaining games.. but discount reduces depending on number of games you have I guess :x
It's basically what you said... I posted for nothing, sorry D:
Edit 2: Maybe it depends on which games you own, as some games have higher (individual) discount than the others.
It's still less than paying for the whole thing though :3
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I am missing 13 games and my discount dropped from 73% to 69% so I see the same scaling as you. Plus I only have $0.39 buying the bundle. lol
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so like I said - they are getting a little bit of lost profit back by lowering the sale discount depending on how many items from the pack you own :>
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which is already 1% below usual discount ;) 1% may not be a gig change, but 10% I get is more noticable difference ;p
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Yeah true, but still a huge improvement over the former system ;-)
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let's rejoice, instead of screwing us a lot they are screwing us a bit less! ;p
Customers should not be fine with companies screwing them over and should not be happy that hurray, they are still screwing us but not as much as before ;p
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Mine is exactly the same as yours, I wouldn't buy all that content for the said price though lol
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I own 9 games of the pack and get 71% off discount, so yeah, they are still screwing us
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I own 2/31 and I'm at 74% discount. It makes sense because one of the 2 I own is 50% off, while most of the bundle is 80% off.
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Well i own none of them so i can not check..
But would it now be cheaper to buy the games your missing even at 63% then the whole bundle??
If so then really people are only complaining because it not the same discount as buying all the games..
I guess people always have to have something to complain about...
But usually when you buy stuff the more you buy the more you save,the less you buy the more you usually pay...that is the whole point of buying in bulk to save.
All i am saying is if i am buying less of a package i would expect to pay more.I just hope this applies to all games that are sold in packages,and negates the whole buy the GOY/Complete is far cheaper then filling in what you are missing if so i will be happy.
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i don't know if this was already discussed. i just woke up and didn't read all of the comments. but it looks like you got it a bit wrong. you don't get 73% discount. you get a 15% discount for the bundle. if none of the games in the bundle were currently discounted, it would be 15% off. but they're discounted and it corresponds to 73% off. 73% off is not fixed, that's why it changes depending on the number of the games and which games you own (or don't own). the constant here is 15%. apparently [current price of all of the games in the bundle]*0,85=[base price of all of the games in the bundle]*0,27.
too many numbers; didn't read: they don't offer weaker discount to people who have less games in the bundle. the discount is 15% for everyone (at least for this bundle).
edit with an example: say you don't have one or more games which currently have 80% discount from this bundle and you already have all of the rest. with 15% bundle discount it would become 83% off. so more games you own =/= less discount.
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Not really. If you look more closely, everyone is getting a 15% extra discount on the already discounted price. The compounded discount you get at the end depends on the individual discount of the games you're missing, it's not an actual bundle-wide discount.
I own 24 games and I'm shown a -53% discount, but that amount is actually calculated by the price paid being
(discounted prices - 15%) / retail price of the missing gamesWe're used to seeing a specific rebate being given to the whole package but that's not how these are calculated. The final rebate is only an indicator of how much you're saving over the original price from the sale and extra 15% savings given by the bundle.
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About time. Hopefully they will implement it right.
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they did not ;) The more games you have the lower your discount gets if bundle is on sale ;) So they may be saying you're saving, but they compensate themselves by lowering discount you get on remaining titles you're missing :>
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Steam does a good deed every once in a... decade? I mean this mobile auth stuff.. :|
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nope - they just hide the fact that they shifted profiting on you into giving you smaller discount ;) For example if you don't own any game in bundle you get 73% discount, but if you own 2/3 of the pack you will pay less, but will also receive a smaller discount (63% in my case)
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pretty much, sleazy sales tactics, shady business models but at least it feels like they are using lube uh :| not to mention that the real value of these things is very relative.
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I guess this isn't the same for everyone, I get -73% when I'm logged in or if I'm in incognito mode. I guess they'll fix it in near future.
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GOG already has this!
Too early to rejoice people - "only apply to bundles purchased directly from Steam" - GG volvo
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Well steam can not really reduce the prices of a bundle bought from a 3rd party now can they?
Not much thought there. Now if you where arguing that they should give you giftcopies for the extras you would have from said bundle, then I would agree with you.
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I don't see reason way you replay to my statement because my second statement was sarcastic...they can but they want because with each sale they take a share, they "volvo" do all this so you buy through them and not through 3rd party. This is the only good news for those who rarely buy from 3rd party or just buying from "volvo". I didnt mention any extra gift copies from bundles and not even interested.
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Of course it only applies to bundles bought on Steam. If you buy somewhere else you'll, usually, get a key for each of the games included.
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From time to time bundles have 1 key for 10 games, which is good if you are interested in all the games, or if you not have any of them.
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Well if they really do this for all bundles, then its a good thing.. Honestly though its about time. Since its something they should have done a long time ago. Or at the very least give you extra copies of those games you already had in said bundle.
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A fairly common practice, the only surprising thing is how long it took Valve to put it in effect.
Still good news though.
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the only surprising thing is
Not so surprising, Valve does everything at a snail's pace. Unless it's some scheme to make them more money like that paid mods fiasco.
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Well, it's good if it's done properly, if not I'll just continue buying my games elsewhere like I always do. No loss, no gain, no change!
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The downside is .. it seems you can't buy it as a gift if you already own all the game in the bundle.
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Works on Counterstrike or Valve Complete Pack too. Out of the first I only need CS-Go and offers me 35% off putting CS GO down to 9,09€ instead of 13,99 regularly, not bad. Will be interesting, how pricing looks during a sale.
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It's actually not bad for the Valve Complete Pack. For the remaining 4 games I would have to pay:
Bundle discount: 55%
Your cost: 11,25€
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so what happens when i buy such a bundle as gift?
Will it be the full bundle or only contain my unowned?
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you are both wrong, at least for now - atm if you own any part of the bundle you cannot but it as a gift at all
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You can't buy these bundles as a gift, even if you own nothing.
You can try with this: http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/227/ since those aren't that common. (But damn that is a good discount)
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I wonder if this will be valid for the Steam sales as well. If yes, if that means I can get the % bundle discount + the % sale discount, then its a YES YES YES YES YES.
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it doesn't seem like that ;) Sqale discount is changing the more games you own:
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That's because they change full price of bundle according to games you own.
31,99 vs 70,43 on your image.
So you simply own games that have high discount and don't own games that have lower discount.
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That's correct all bundles are automatically priced as: Total Price of products you don't own - Bundle discount.
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So, after like 4 years, they managed to adapt GOG's similar system. I guess they deserve a cookie for it.
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They would need to implement GOG's fair pricing thingy before they get any cookies from me
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Doesn't work for Skyrim Legendary Edition (yet, i hope)
DLCs gotta wait..
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It's opt-in and applies only to bundles and not to subs. (/bundle/ vs /sub/ on url)
According to rumor, Valve's recommendation is to not use dynamic pricing for base game + DLC bundles. Only franchise or publisher style packs.
If it doesn't use dynamic pricing, you can't buy it if you own any part.
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The current policy has kept me from buying lots of things just on principle.
I don't even need a discount, just let me trade/gift away the duplicates.
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I've been done over a few times from this but even so, the content you are buying is often still cheaper than buying separately... I too wish they gave us gifts of the duplicates
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Steam is making a major change to the way bundle prices work, opting for a more dynamic pricing model that takes into account whether or not you own games featured in the bundle.
Valve has yet to officially announce this, and likely never will, but PCGamesN has obtained official documentation the company sent to developers.
What this means for you is that you’ll get a discount on a bundle if you already own one of the included games. This also scales up depending on how many of the featured games you own. By doing this, you’ll only get the games you do not already own whenever you buy a bundle.
“With Steam Bundles, if a customer already [owns] some items in the Bundle, they will pay for and receive only the items not already in their account,” the documentation reads. “This allows the best fans of your series or franchise to ‘complete the set’ and get a deal on the remaining items in the Bundle.”
Valve goes on to say that bundles and complete packs are “a bad deal” for customers that already own a chunk of the included games.
“Either it made bad economic sense for those customers to purchase the pack, or they just felt bad about doing so since it [looked] like they were paying for products they already [had]. The new Steam Bundles system addresses this,” Valve continues.
The regular style of bundles will not go away, and Valve calls them “Must Purchase Together” bundles. For these, expect to see added extras such as art books, soundtracks and whatever else you can expect from deluxe editions.
As the site notes, another effect of this will be a drop in the number of times in which a bundle would cost more than buying included games individually.
The Headup Games Complete Bundle is apparently one of the first to implement this new strategy, but there’s no clear indication when more will follow suit.
It’s probably worth mentioning that this would only apply to bundles purchased directly from Steam, and not through third-parties such as HumbleBundle.
From https://www.vg247.com/2016/03/02/steam-bundles-price-change-dynamic-scaling/
What do you guys think?
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