Why wouldn't you just use a PC...
I don't really like sitting in my uncomfy desktop chair...
Oh.
I'm a PC gamer; laptop is strictly for productivity. I can't really offer any useful help, sorry, but good luck in your search. :)
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He should get a 250 euro gaming chair to go with it. :p
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Haha, good point.
Chair + Desktop PC + Switch (in case that she still must evade the chair from time to time)
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Just because it is called a "desktop computer" does not mean you need to put it on a desktop lol.
Friend and I both have ours on low tables and play on a nice comfy couch.
Use a controller and you can play while laying down.
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TBH, I have a nice rig, but I use the Steam Link hardware for the big TV, and laptop to stream in bed. I'll leave the DT at the desk, thanks. :D
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I'm not a professional in hardware, but I can tell you from my years of experience that gaming laptops are not that great and it would always be better to just buy a PC, it would be cheaper and perform better.
That said, it sounds like the cheapest solution here would be to get your PC working and buy a new comfortable chair.
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That would mean no gaming in my garden tho :(
And none on my couch :'(
Or on the floor :(
And in the kitchen :''(
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Do you have a smartphone? The Steam Link app is okay for gaming for some types of games. I wouldn't recommend it for every game, but if that's your main goal, perhaps that's an option?
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With this option you can even use the crappy laptop, that's also a solution that could work. It should work especially well if you can connect an Ethernet cable to the laptop, then the streaming should be flawless as long as the pc can handle it.
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Actually, yes. That's very true and a better point than my original statement. :D
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They aren't the cheapest, but the Lenovo (formerly IBM) thinkpad line is remarkably well-built. You can get one with a fairly decent GPU for not too much.
If you get one that is from a Mil-Spec line, you know that it is rugged and able to take the bumps and bruises that might kill a normal laptop. And dust-defensive. However, no matter what you get, get a keyboard with a numpad!
No matter what you get, get a laptop cooling mat (Targus makes a nice padded one) to keep the air flowing and your legs from cooking!
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Gaming laptops die/fry much faster, more so in a warmer country. I had a friend who basically burnt out their gaming laptop in 6 months of hard gaming due to the heat in SEA, lul.
I suggest going for a PC and some cables to stream to a TV or a large screen. Also a long cable keyboard/mouse or maybe just wireless if you don't mind the slight delay to use from wherever you prefer.
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Faulty product then. Yes, they get hotter but even then they should last for years.
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I'm neither a hard gamer nor is Germany a specifically hot country (sadly). I think this will not be an issue for me. Thanks for your input, tho!
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And mine did hold 4 years of full gaming and still works while my nephew uses it now. should be 6-7 years now.
As long as you keep it clean and hopefully have a mainentance thingie so you can clean the dust, there shouldnt be to big problems.
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i could only afford an Acer (lol) when i got my laptop, but everyone i spoke to about gaming laptops LOVE msi to bits, so you're probably moving in the right direction.
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Hopefully this will help give you an idea what you'd be looking at performance wise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAZ5siS0VmE
That said, I don't use laptops for gaming, for thermal reasons as others mention, so I can't say that'll be an issue in any given situation, and can't really give advice on options. Also, to my understanding, MSI tends to put a lot of bloatware on their laptops, programs and anti virus software that really isn't required and makes them sluggish, so be ready to have to uninstall a bunch of crap from the get go.
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I don't know about this specific laptop, but I got a MSI GE75 last month and I love it so far.
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Gaming Laptops are a myth, they will always have issues, even on the high end spectrum. Heat/Price/Performance...
Sure, you wouldn't be able to play anywhere but that's about the only downside you get from a Desktop Pc. Just setup a nice area and it will be much more enjoyable.
You can get a really good Gaming Pc for your Budget (1500), a Gaming Laptop wouldn't even be close to the performance and will still have gazillion issues with it.
To get about the same Hardware wise performance, you would need to spend atleast double the price on a Laptop and still have the inferior results all around.
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I'm not a person to game for hours and hours on end, so the heat factor seems neglectable to me. Your only downside happens to be one my most important preference ;)
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Fair point.
Make sure to research the Specs of them, compare and choose with care.
If you want to be future proof for a while, then go with the most advanced Hardware you can get.
Your aim should be the best GPU, CPU, highest RAM amount then HDD size. Search for terms like "Gaming Laptop under 1500" you will find tons of pages, just go through them and get to know the things you can get.
This is a much better place to find a "best case fit" then here, unless you find the one who knows all of that and has all information you need. Don't just take blindly the ones that are recommended to you, even if they mean well, it's better to be sure then regret. :)
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Hi eeev,
That's a terrible laptop. If you're gonna purchase one, make sure it's a Ryzen 4th gen. I'd recommend a 4800H CPU.
ASUS A15 TUF is a great one; https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-IPS-Type-GeForce-Battery-TUF506IV-AS76/dp/B0863DW238
Or MSI's new laptop with 4800H and 2060, it's also great.
Do not under any circumstances but an Intel laptop at this point, AMD completely dominated the competition with 4th gen Ryzen.
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Hi eeev :)
If your desktop has a decent video card, your cheapest option may be to put a new drive in it and use Steam's streaming feature.
I haven't tried it myself, but this video gives a quick, simple tutorial.
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My desktop has a GTX 770. It's not the newest either, but I believe it's not that bad of a GPU. I hate the thought of running two computers at the same time tho. It appears to be such a waste of energy.
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I'm still using a GTX 760... Hellblade ran fine on medium settings for me. I don't own but suspect with Witcher 3 and Darksiders Genesis games it will depend on how much RAM you have and what your CPU is (you're probably pushing it with Genesis though).
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I don't know why people think RAM is so important it's really, really not. Ram only matters if you're running several programs at once, most games will run very comfortably with just 8GB (The Witcher 3 uses 6GB).
The GPU is 99,9% your bottleneck for gaming.
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GPU is only the bottleneck if it's the weakest part of the machine.
In my computer it's actually the CPU that's the weakest link, that's why I enquired about what CPU the OP had.
Also, we can assume the OP has 8GB, but she didn't specify that either - she may only have 4GB.
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Are you from the US? Check out the Mag-15 from Eluktronics or their other laptops. They have really good build and the thermals are excellent.
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oh! then check out xmg, a local laptop producer for u. I recently got the xmg fusion 15 and it is amazing! there's also the neo if u want amd chips. they have incredible support as well! really, have a look at their products
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As someone who has a gaming laptop, I feel I should offer this advice:
Gaming laptops are not as mobile as normal laptops. They need to be connected to their power supply to run at full capacity for any sustainable amount of time, and they are almost all heavy and bulky if they are not extremely expensive for being "slimmed" down. This means that you probably won't be able to game outside very long or comfortably. They also tend to struggle with temperature and airflow, so you need to have some open space around you (so a kitchen counter, for example, may be a problem). On the flip side, there's a lot of hate towards gaming laptops because they "are not that great". This certainly used to be the case, but most contemporary GeForce cards are pretty solid- they often won't quite squeeze out the same power as their desktop counterparts, but they're quite powerful and the price of a laptop vs. a desktop and some basic peripherals (monitor, etc.) doesn't make them as bad a decision for gaming. I have an ROG laptop (an ASUS sub-branding) and I've mostly enjoyed it, though I had a few issues with drivers early on. I don't know if there are price differences between Europe and the USA because of tariffs and other factors, but over a year ago I snagged a laptop with a full mobile RTX 2070 for $1500, only about 80-90 euros more than the model you're looking at, which in theory means there might be better values out there.
I'm not going to say "don't get a laptop for gaming", but you may want to look in a different direction if you really want an ultra portable laptop. I couldn't find a parallel with the exact specifications in the US, and I don't speak German, so I couldn't really verify the specs and weight with 100% certainty. I think if you want to double down on hardware, you might be able to find something better with a RTX 2060 or RTX 2070 for not a ton more, though there may be other compromises, usually weight and size. Alternatively, you may want to look for a lighter laptop. I know people like Razer for lightweight laptops, but they also tend to be quite overpriced (you pay for the brand). If you want something portable above all else, you want a balance of light weight, heat efficiency, and battery life more than performance. If you don't care about frames or maxing performance, even a GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 laptop will run pretty much anything, and that will fit more easily in your price range with the mobility features. Additionally, gaming laptops, because they struggle with heat, require fairly clean and cool spaces to run their best. Sucking in dust and running in high temperatures will result in poor performance and even hardware failure in the most extreme cases.
That said, I don't mean to say "don't get a laptop", but even with a gaming laptop 90% of my use is on my desk at home. Sure, it might be nice to be able to move it around, but you can't put 100 hours into The Witcher 3 on the floor or in the garden. Those spaces tend to lack ergonomics and you'll be hurting pretty badly by the end of it. If you really hate playing from your chair, upgrade your space. Investing a couple hundred in a really great office chair has done wonders for my back and neck, and that's just my chair at work (which, granted, my job paid for, so it wasn't that big a deal, but I'm planning on doing the same when I wear out my current chair at home). A bigger desk or one with more storage can help with clutter.
If you have 100% internet coverage, it might be worth investing in a decently modern entry level laptop and doing something like GeForce Now or Steam game streaming from your desktop. Getting a replacement hard drive is pretty cheap if you're just using it to run games, and even an economy SSD with an external hard drive setup can get some decent enough performance for games while offering the option to move a game or two to your SSD for faster loading if you play it a lot. That said, both of these depend on strong, stable signals (so the garden is probably out), but entry level laptops tend to have better battery life (because they're running a dedicated GPU) and are lighter and more portable. They also tend to run cooler (because, again, no dedicated GPU) but this does, again, assume that you have stable internet and something to stream from. You could even try to find a laptop with spectacular battery life and go that way instead. You'll save a ton over a gaming laptop and you'll still have some decent options.
So, yeah, that's my thoughts. I don't mean to be a downer on laptops. Because I have to go from place to place for work, I can't really do a desktop PC and I've been pretty impressed with my laptop, so I certainly don't mean to shoot it down. But it sounds like you're looking for a laptop that does laptop stuff and is also a gaming machine, and that's a bit difficult. Most gaming laptops are in the "desktop replacement" space, which usually means that they're basically just meant to be used on a desk (but you can move it from desk to desk if you want) and not really here and there and everywhere. There are some exceptions, of course, but they tend to be well outside the price range. You might be able to find an older model Razer Blade Stealth or a decently configured ROG Zephyrus (I don't know what models are available in your country, so I apologize for being a bit vague, but I did see this on the website you linked above; it's a bit lower spec on the processor and may need some additional RAM, but it should handle the games you listed pretty decently if I'm not mistaken and it's well below your price limit, leaving room to revive your desktop with a new drive and get a comfy chair should you want to go the streaming route: https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/asus+rog+zephyrus+ga502du+bq015t+b+ware+665707/eqsqid/71d32e6e-57ba-455c-8462-134cc6908785), of course, which might fill the bill and provide the best of both worlds within your budget, but I don't want you to get a laptop and then be disappointed that it's not as ideal for what you wanted. From your use case, I would focus first and foremost on portability and battery life and then look at raw power second. The laptop you posted is similar to a Lenovo I used to have in terms of size, and I'd guess weight too, and it definitely wasn't portable enough to do what it sounds like you want, so I'd just recommend looking for lighter and more battery efficient until you don't want to compromise any more hardware.
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Wow, thank you so very much for this in depth reply!
My current laptopo I drag around all day and keep it connected to a power supply for most of the time. My place, while not tiny, is not THAT big in the end, and I even have a power suply outside on my veranda, so battery efficiency is not an issue. I also do not plan on taking it anywhere outside of my home, so the weight is a neglectable factor for me as well.
When I say floor I need you to image a comfy matrace on said floor and me lying on my belly playing games. That is what I want, since I find sitting for too long unbearable. Which is also the reason why I absolutely want to go with a laptop.
Your alternative looks nice, but has too small a screen for my taste - I want a 17'' screen.
Thank you for not trying to talk me out of a laptop. Your reply was helpful, SquireZed <3
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I never liked gaming laptop. The premium price of portability is too rich for my taste.
Have you tried Steam's remote play or link app? https://store.steampowered.com/streaming/
I'm certain it'll cost less to upgrade your desktop and router (if it doesn't meet the requirement)
e.g. https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/mMDFk6
But then again, just buying a laptop is more convenient.
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Not a bad choice, but this Aorus 7 is 100 euros less and has guaranteed quality branded components and better build quality.
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Thank you! This one doesn't look that bad, but it lacks the 1TB hard drive the other comes with additionally to its 500GB SSD. Would you say, adding an external drive to the build would make up for that?
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Yes, the external drive will function identically to the HDD on the other, and you can get high capacity drives really cheap now - if you don't already have a few lying around!
Plus, it has an empty slot, where you can install a 2.5 inch or a PCIe M2 at a later date.
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Did you deliberately choose a 17" laptop? There's a more selection 15" and 14", and the laptops are more mobile, but perhaps you like that the laptop is big. It's certainly an okay laptop and I'm sure it will fulfill your needs.
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Yes, the big screen is an absolute must for me, and I only need mobility in my home. Thanks for voicing your opinion <3
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In that pricerange the best speced laptop would be the ROG Zephyrus G14. Check some reviews as I've heard it had a few issues but the speed of it is insane!
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Maybe these could help with your decisions? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsRn8zzjiZRjpuTNLrzCFtwgbRe8SyNB5
Do you use you laptop for work as well? Or just purely for games? Will you be moving your laptop around to work/uni/school?
I only have a laptop connected to a secondary monitor and that's pretty much it, it's not even a gaming laptop, but it pretty much does the job for cheap as well. (ASUS) I want a new laptop so bad. The reason I use laptop and not PC is because a laptop have everything built in to it, screen, keyboard, trackpad, webcam, microphone, etc. and it's more convenient.
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Go for it if money isn't an issue.
But do keep in mind that laptop graphic cards are weaker than desktop ones, even if they have the same name.
For example the laptop you gave link to has GTX 1660 Ti, which equals to power of desktop GTX 1660 (the standard one, not the Ti version).
It's a trade off for lower power consumption and portability, and lots of people bought a Nintendo Switch just for that.
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Uhm I think you are doing a mistake here
17' so terrible portability + still a laptop so bad for gaming + expensive hardware
I would buy a desktop and invest in some fancy stuff to stream in the house: good router, wireless keyboard/mouse, laptop with a decent monitor
Also considering the ps5 is going to be released soon™ I would wait the next year to upgrade
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If you really need one and are aware that you overpay a few hundreds for a gaming laptop.
Make definately sure that it has a maintenance hatch at the back. Otherwise you will have soon overheating problems and are either forced to open it fully and maybe damage it, or to have to bring it somewhere to get cleaned that will cost you everytime.
Id look if you maybe can go the middle way and look at mini itx / htpc builds, if you want the semi portability. thats atleast what i will look into next time i replace my laptop.
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Hi BigTxT and thanks for your comment. I am definitely willing to pay extra for mobility inside my flat and I don't wanna move all kinds of things around constantly, like keyboard, mouse, and most importantly monitor. Though I guess I'd consider that if monitors were wireless ;)
look at mini itx / htpc builds
Sadly I have no idea what that is, but I will ask Google about it!
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somethin like that https://techbuyersguru.com/1500-ultra-compact-mini-itx-gaming-pc-build
extreme small pc cases. that one above has dimensions like 28,6 x 22,2 x 18,6 cm
htpc is a bit larger and goes in direction like that: https://techbuyersguru.com/1000-high-end-4k-home-theater-pc-build
so dimensions like a console or an av receiver
But if you dont want to move around kb / mouse / monitor it falls out anyway.
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Ultra-compact desktop pcs are a waste of money, they always sacrifice power for compactness, you may as well stick with your laptop idea.
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My advice - GPU(graphics card) over CPU(processor).
https://m.notebooksbilliger.de/msi+gl75+9sd+272+gaming+660748
This one is too expensive.
https://m.notebooksbilliger.de/acer+nitro+5+an515+43+r32u+gaming+651869
I'd choose this one instead. Cheaper, same speed for gaming. Only difference - RAM and HDD.
Indie games don't need more than 8 and you can always add 8 more and HDD is cheap too.
https://m.notebooksbilliger.de/asus+rog+strix+g15+g512lw+hn038+654289
This one is the best if you can afford 1600. It's for the best performance games and will hold for years.
But then again - that site has too little catalogue. If you can tell me which sites are good for you to choose from, I'm sure there'll be better laptops for your needs.
What I don't like from the first 2 laptops is their GPU: Too weak for what they're intended for (ray tracing). Performance is same as gtx 1050. 729 Euro is good price but you can always find better.
I'd personally choose non-gaming laptops for gaming purposes. "U" processors are better in my opinion: weaker but they can hold battery for much longer.
If you can find something with let's say I7 5xxxU / I5 6xxxU /with 8/16 RAM and gtx 1060, it'd be very good for gaming and cheaper too.
And again: GPU over CPU.
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you have linked the wrong acer nitro 5 ...the ryzen 5 3550h is only a 4 core and zen+ architecture and zen+ wasn't competitive in gaming when the laptops had dedicated gpu... i think you meant the acer nitro 5 with the 4600h ... https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/acer+nitro+5+an515+44+r5k7+gaming+666891?nbbct=4001_geizhals ... thats the actual ryzen 5 mobile with 6c/12t and thats actually damn good for the price and almost better in everything than the 9750h
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No, I didn't. CPU isn't really important in gaming when it does it's job. That's why I suggested weaker CPU. GTX 1650/ti doesn't need much.
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Thank you for your valuable input, FleecyBear!
As to your recommendation: I'm not fond of Acer laptops. I've come to known them for their low quality.
And the Asus one you recommended only has a 15' screen, which is to small for my liking.
I am not tied to the shop I linked. I will buy anywhere that seems fit to me. It's just that thi one is the only shop I've come to know so far. I am open to suggestions ;)
I'd personally choose non-gaming laptops for gaming purposes.
You make an interesting point here. I've come o wonder: what is it. that males a gaming laptop a gaming laptop? The fancy logos and keyboard lighting?
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Yes, that and better cooling system and unwanted strong CPU that just drains battery.
U processors are enough to do their job and they are energy friendly too. If you want fancy lightings - you can modify almost every laptop that way. And you won't need extra cooling for U processors.
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I'm not really fond of any laptops specifically. Laptops aren't like phones. Only difference is screen and build quality which is less important if you don't drop it. If it works and looks good - then it works and is good.
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I moved this one to hardware sub-section.
And sadly can't add much to the topic. I put together PC lately, and it was like 1k pounds with everything. Didn't follow mobile much.
When you want to buy it? In a month or so new AMD CPUs should pop up in more laptops.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-4000-renoir-apu-runs-crysis-without-cpu-cooling-solution/
Also do you have IPS or TN screen with your laptop now?
And laptop you linked to does not have Windows pre-installed. Can you install Windows on you own, or it does need to come with laptop?
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Also do you have IPS or TN screen with your laptop now?
I do not know what that means.
I have not made up my mind yet when (or of) I will buy one.
I am perfectly able to install Windows myself ;)
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I do not know what that means.
:D
TN is older technology. It has bad viewing angles (so colors look bad when you look on the screen from the side), black is more gray than really black. But it's cheap and allows to make fast screens. So people still buy it for e-sport and 240 Hz monitors. And companies put them in laptops bc they are cheap.
IPS is never. Colors are way better, viewing angle is up to 189 degrees (I think?). Black is better than on TN, but it still not perfect black.
There are also VA panels, but don't think they use them in laptops.
https://www.howtogeek.com/658701/tn-vs.-ips-vs.-va-whats-the-best-display-panel-technology/
Basically if colors get funny when you look on the screen from angle it's TN (on the image at the bottom). Top is IPS.
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Then I definitely have a TN screen now.
Thanks for explaining this to me, Missy <3
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I bought a gaming laptop and currently using it. However. I am kinda regret about my actions.
1) Its more expensive than desktop(Bought ASUS G751Y - 3.3K SGD with 980M graphic card - 5 years ago)
2) Easily overheat (The fan does not work that well on a gaming laptop)
3) The sound system is bad (Recommend you to buy a speaker for most gaming laptop)
4) The keyboard in the laptop is not that good (You may also end up buying a new keyboard)
5) Multiple repair maybe needed (I have change the motherboard once, fan twice, suffered with blue screen, hard disk crash and change of battery)
5) Its too heavy to be portable + battery life is not that good. (Battery died twice and its costly to replace)
6) Gave up on its portability and it became my gaming desktop (Told the IT Staff to remove the battery)
Thus, I would recommend you to buy a desktop if possible. However, if you need to bring it to work/ study, sure you can go ahead with gaming laptop. However, do note after carrying the laptop for few days, you will regret about it and it end up becoming a desktop.
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Hello lovely people of Steamgifts,
so I am running this potato of a laptop for around 6 years now and it is starting to show. It takes forever to boot and run/load programs and some more inconveniences I don't want to go into detail about. I'm mostly an indie game player and it did its job well most of the time.
However, I run more and more into games that I cannot play with my current machine and so I started thinking about what to do. I have an okay desktop computer sitting there which lacks a working HDD/SDD. I could just buy one of those and probably be fine for a while. My problem is, that I will be stuck with sitting at my desktop then. I don't really like sitting in my uncomfy desktop chair and in the past years I was dragging my laptop from my couch to my floor to my bed to my veranda and I have grown to like that gaming all over my place.
Which is why I am considering buying a gaming laptop. I've did a little research earlier today and came across this laptop, which seems to fulfill all my needs: https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/msi+gl75+9sd+272+gaming+660748
As I said, I'm an indie games player. Games I wanna run in the near future are The Witcher 3, Darksiders: Genesis, A Plague Tale: Innocence, and Hellblade. I'm not a person who requires ultra fast FPS or the best graphics quality ever. I just want to be able to run those games and have them look decent. It would be nice if people with more knowledge about computers could tell me if the model I chose is a good buy and if not, what else you would recommend in the same price category more (up to 1500 €) or less.
Thank you kindly. Have a giveaway for your attention.
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