Do you agree with Minority rights should be recognised and protected everywhere regardless the fact it would form a big problem if the minority became a majority?
is this your best contribution to the topic calling me leecher 0:13?
anyway when steamgift makes a rule that one must give and take i'd gladly stop using it until i have the ability to give also, you have all the right to add me to your blacklist.
i'm sure you're so proud of yourself for being a 10450:719 God of all donners but if doesn't make you an accepting person who can accept opposite opinion then, good luck with that.
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How about you learn to use the discussions at least? You're a worthless leecher who needs no rights because I say so. Best contribution you can do for the topic is go to top right and switching from Open to Closed.
You're the one who can't accept other people's opinions but try to force your own on others silly leecher. Did your god teach you just to take from others and not ever give anything back?
People like you make me sick, do you think humanity will survive just by stealing from others? Is that the real truth of you?
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this is a direct insult to me personally and is a violation of SG User Content rules #4 and i hope it's gonna be dealt with.
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Do go on and take a shot at me, leecher :) Seriously though, bless your heart. You are a dimwit that can't stand that a minority wants to be treated fairly, which makes you a bigot. Once you get over it, you might end up being a better human being that doesn't worry about everyone being non-reproducing. Your ideas about Covid-19 show a lot about how you get informed, so I don't actually blame you for being ignorant. I just hope you get better at one point, but then again I doubt anything will change how you see the world.
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"stop caring what people do with their private life as long as they are happy and they don't hurt others"
that is the point that they don't hurt others, wouldn't it hurt humnaity on the long run? that's my concerns, hopefully it would not.
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Obviously you aren't concerned about human extinction thousands of years from now, you are just looking for an excuse to denigrate gays online
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i haven't nor will denigrate anybody, i'm just having some concerns and decided to voice them out.
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You say you're not comparing Covid to being LGBTQ yet you keep implying that somehow the majority of people at some point will be LGBTQ as if it's something that just spreads like... hmm... a virus.
LGBTQ people are not "contagious", cis and hetero people won't "change" just because LGBTQ rights are respected, that's not how it works. And people in LGBTQ relationships won't start having babies just because you somehow ban them, they'll probably be alone or hide.
In any case, there's LOTS of heterosexual couples not having kinds, so that supposed end of humanity is more on them than on anyone else.
As everyone already said, you're not concerned about the human race, becasue your arguments and opinions dressed as innocent questions have nothing to do with the future of the human race, you just think that by not allowing LGBTQ people to be themselves you're saving the human race from an inexistent and highly exagerated problem, which is kind of a good example of what is being homophobic, transphobic, etc.
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I dont think you have to worry about "gay" becoming the default sexuality.
Besides, not every straight couple has kids, and being gay doesnt automatically mean they cant have or dont want children. Sperm and egg donors, adoption, and fostering all exist (and before someone focuses on that adoption part, reread the sperm and egg donor bit).
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Straight married male here that doesn't plan on having kids. Just to prove your point. I do wholeheartedly agree with what you said.
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thanks for your contribution, let's hope technology would last for ever otherwise the natural ways would be our last resort.
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i honestly didn't expect to see a post making a case that bestiality was the same as homosexuality today, but that's 2020 for you.
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bestiality isn't the same as homosexuality, the thing in common is that people who does bestiality are also a minority but they are facing the same troubles the gay people were having before and the common excuse is that animals doesn't have a freewell and can't say yes nor no but to kill, skin, hunt or eat them is fair enough.
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I really have no idea why minorities should have any special rights. There should be only human rights for everyone otherwise it's inequality. What i see now is just abuse of power because if minority proclaims hate speech on majority then it's OK for some reason, but if majority proclaims the same stupid thing then it's (something)-ism and people go wild. Most aggressive individuals from minorities just want more power to their specific group over the group that they hate and people gladly give them that power.
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LGBTQ supporters claims that it's a natural behaviour that is not happening only in humans but in animals too and therefore we should accept that but question is, is it enough that because animals is doing it we humans should do it or accept it among our race? aren't we an intelligent race and other races isn't? is there any other reasons why LGBTQ rights should be protected and recognised?
That argument is just a counter to the bigoted view that homosexuality is not natural. Nobody says it should only be recognised because it occurs in nature, just that it does. It should be recognised because consenting adults should be free to love each other if that is how they feel. What proof do you have that suggests it poses any threat to you or your way of life?
Covid 19 is a result of humans eating what they are not supposed to be eating and if you wanna know the crieteria of what we should eat safely you can at least eat what is known to be safe.
That's a great case for veganism.
i believe sexual intercourse where it's not supposed to be can have a disastrous impact on our race
Who's to say where sexual intercourse is supposed to be?
if it's not medical-related then it's gonna lead to a slow exctintion of our race if LGBTQ became the global orientation due to the very low birth rate that is going to happen because someone don't have appetite towards the opposite sex, if WHO decided to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illness then i geuss Zoophilia should get the same acceptance and recognition or is it double standards?
Do you realise that overpopulation poses one of the biggest threats to the planet and therefor human extinction? Even if I did find your imagined scenario of the whole world slowly turning gay possible, I think it would actually be a net benefit to the survival of the human race.
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Here's some random thoughts.
/s (just in case not obvious)
On a more serious note, I'm sorry your wife is ill and hope she recovers soon.
Stay safe.
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thanks for your contribution and your feelings, it really lefted me up.
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haven't met one yet and don't have any personal issues with gay people, i'm totally neutral to them unless i have a personal experience with one that'd lead to a natural evolving of relationship, it's just some concerns i'm having and i'm open to a fruitful discussion.
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thanks for being nice and respectful pointing out your views.
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I have a simple approach. I don’t care what you do, or with whom, as long as:
1) it doesn’t harm anyone against their will
2) it doesn’t harm children or animals
Note that I use harm in a very broad sense - I include physical pain, reasonable mental anguish, and limited offensiveness. Some acts should only happen where no one else can see or hear or smell. At the same time, some acts I disagree with can take place in the open as long as it’s within reasonable distance of others.
However, I don’t mean harm in an absolute way - if someone wants to harm themselves, collateral harm to their friends and family for losing them doesn’t count. Likewise, someone who’s disturbed at the very idea of an action that doesn’t involve them also doesn’t count
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As for freedom of speech, I have much more trouble with it. On one hand, I’m against offensive and hateful speech, on the other hand, that can be subjective. Just because I find an idea vile and repugnant doesn’t mean it’s objectively vile and repugnant. Yikes change, ideas change, and in a different time or place what I consider normal could be considered deviant or abberant. Who am I to say that my opinion is more accurate than someone else’s?
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thanks for you contribution, that's really moderate and i totally agree with that but do you consider hunting or eating animals is a harmful behaviour and should be condemned or it doesn't count?
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I have mixed feelings. I don’t like harming animals, but if it’s for food it’s ok. If it weren’t for human consumption, cows would be extinct. But if the whole world were vegetarian, I wouldn’t be against it.
Then again, why is plant life less valuable than animal life?
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i believe that if we call for animals rights then that should includes all harmful acts to be condemned including our own consumption.
there is no evidence that plants can have feelings or senses as humans or animals, yes it can sense objects or light but there is no nerves system operating the same way like animals nor a brain, a plant can be brought back to life after it's totally dry and dead but that doesn't apply to animals.
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Live and let live. Treat others as you would want them to treat you.
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that has been always my way, i'm just having some concerns, i don't call for confiscation of LGBT rights to live nor they should be treated bad but i'm afraid it might be harmful behaviour to the race, i might be wrong that's why a discussion is always a good idea.
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i believe sexual intercourse where it's not supposed to be can have a disastrous impact on our race, if it's not medical-related then it's gonna lead to a slow exctintion of our race if LGBTQ became the global orientation due to the very low birth rate that is going to happen because someone don't have appetite towards the opposite sex,
We are suffering from over-population right now and all the evidence suggests that it will get a lot worse. What is your evidence that your claim is even remotely realistic?
if WHO decided to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illness then i geuss Zoophilia should get the same acceptance and recognition or is it double standards?
How is that a double standard? Gay sex is consensual, while zoophilia is not. Honestly, how can you even compare the two?
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We are suffering from over-population right now and all the evidence suggests that it will get a lot worse. What is your evidence that your claim is even remotely realisti?`
i made a logical assumption that is subject to discussion, can't really give an evidence to something that i believe it might happen in the future till it actually happens.
How is that a double standard? Gay sex is consensual, while zoophilia is not. Honestly, how can you even compare the two?
if Gay sex is consensual and zoophilia is not then question is, is eating, killing or hunting animals is consensual that's why we have the right to eat them?
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you wouldn't be able to even ask that question if your ancestors hadn't eaten any animals. nobody needs to fuck animals in order to survive. sure, in a perfect world, we wouldn't need to slaughter and eat animals, but sustaining the entire human race on an totally plant-based diet has never been, and probably won't be a viable option for the foreseeable future.
your logic is just mind-boggling. maybe take some critical thinking courses, play some chess.. i don't know, think before you type out these questions.
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so because you wanna sustain your human race that gives you the right to kill animals? how about animals are able to sustain thier races? thier is even races that is only surviving on one type of food and how about vegan people? aren't they healthy? is that what you call critical thinking?
nobody needs to fuck animals in order to survive.
it's not about survival, homosexuality isn't even part of survival process, it's about personal prefrences and orientation, if someone wanna have it with an animal that shows bond and consensuality, why not let them be?
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so because you wanna sustain your human race that gives you the right to kill animals?
well, yeah.. survival is kinda top priority, don't you think? like i already said.. you wouldn't even be alive to ask that question if humans hadn't been killing and eating animals for thousands of years. animals eat animals. predator and prey. food chain. it's the circle of life. cue lion king music. it's just how things are.
how about animals are able to sustain thier races?
broken english so i'm not 100% sure what you're asking, but i'll try to answer anyway..
animals do sustain their species. there are herbivores, carnivores and omnivores. humans by nature are omnivores. i learned this in first grade. some people hunt some animals to extinction just for fun. those people are bad.
thier is even races that is only surviving on one type of food and how about vegan people? aren't they healthy?
it'd be cool if everyone could be vegan, but for many of us, it's just impractical. converting the entire human population to veganism is just simply implausible, at least with current technology. i imagine in the future meat-eaters could be the minority, but we are not anywhere close to that right now. if someone figures out how to mass produce healthy, lab-grown meat, it would make the act of killing animals pretty redundant.
it's not about survival, homosexuality isn't even part of survival process, it's about personal prefrences and orientation, if someone wanna have it with an animal that shows bond and consensuality, why not let them be?
your backwards logic hurts my brain. are you actually questioning whether zoophilia should be accepted? i never said homosexuality is part of the survival process. you said (in broken english, so maybe there was some misunderstanding by one of us):
if Gay sex is consensual and zoophilia is not then question is, is eating, killing or hunting animals is consensual that's why we have the right to eat them?
my point was that eating animals is okay and fucking animals is not (how is this even in question?) - because humans would not be where we are today if we hadn't been killing and eating animals for nourishment for thousands of years. what is so hard to understand about this? gay sex won't be the end of mankind, but if everyone stops eating animals, then i promise countless people will starve.
obviously no individual needs to have sex in order to survive, be it hetero, homo or animal. until animals can start saying "mm baby dat ass looks great in those jeans.. get over here so we can knock boots." i think it's safe to so say it's best to call zoophilia animal abuse.
allow me to break it down even further:
consensual human sex = consensual
animal sex = not definitely consensual, but most likely not consensual
not eating animals = many dead people
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i made a logical assumption
Logical... thats very debatable.
that is subject to discussion, can't really give an evidence to something that i believe it might happen in the future till it actually happens.
Well of course that is possible. Easiest example is the weather report. We have evidence that it will rain tomorrow with a probability of 95%, and it most likely will rain tomorrow. We analyze the data we have and make estimates about how it will be in the future. Which is why we know that the world population will most likely continue to grow, and we can also say how big the population will be at a certain point in the future.
So, in summary we have evidence that tells us the world population will continue growing. We have no evidence whatsoever that the (pretty small) amount of gay people has any noticable impact on this. In fact we know that homosexuality is not a new phenomenon. It has existed for ages. Despite that the population grew and grew. There is no reason to believe that this will change. Would you agree to that?
if Gay sex is consensual and zoophilia is not then question is, is eating, killing or hunting animals is consensual that's why we have the right to eat them?
That is a good question and it is constantly debated. Most vegans and vegetarians think that we do not have the right to eat them (and I tend to agree with them, or at least I am against mass meat production). But this is not the debate we are having right now. You shouldn't try to justify your view of gay sex (or even worse: zoophilia) with the comparison to something completely different (we're in Whataboutism territory here). Think about gay sex and everything that has to do with it and make up your mind if people should have the right to practise it.
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Well of course that is possible. Easiest example is the weather report. We have evidence that it will rain tomorrow with a probability of 95%, and it most likely will rain tomorrow. We analyze the data we have and make estimates about how it will be in the future. Which is why we know that the world population will most likely continue to grow, and we can also say how big the population will be at a certain point in the future.
right, maybe it's too early to talk about how a small minority of gay people would affect birth rate in the future considering that fact they are small minority but i also believe a small spark can start uncontrolable fire and that happens in nature too but moving on with this.
So, in summary we have evidence that tells us the world population will continue growing. We have no evidence whatsoever that the (pretty small) amount of gay people has any noticable impact on this. In fact we know that homosexuality is not a new phenomenon. It has existed for ages. Despite that the population grew and grew. There is no reason to believe that this will change. Would you agree to that?
talking about evidence, is there any to prove homosexuality is natural and one is born like that regardless the fact that many gay people discover thier orientation at later time of being straight? i get a lot of answers that staight can't change to gay or vice versa but that not that case in reaility, hopefully there is any scientific efindence to support that and say the final word?
That is a good question and it is constantly debated. Most vegans and vegetarians think that we do not have the right to eat them (and I tend to agree with them, or at least I am against mass meat production). But this is not the debate we are having right now. You shouldn't try to justify your view of gay sex (or even worse: zoophilia) with the comparison to something completely different (we're in Whataboutism territory here). Think about gay sex and everything that has to do with it and make up your mind if people should have the right to practise it.
i already took that part back about zoophilia (still not totally convinced why it's illegal although i don't support it nor encourage it at all, maybe it'd require a separate post) so yea let's focus on homosexuality, having troubles with double standards that's why.
i believe everyone has the right to practice whatever as long as you don't bring it to my face and try force me accept it, recognise it or give you special rights if it's not widely common, also, i'm not to force anybody to stop or to judge anyone accordingly.
if i don't agree with homosexuality that wouldn't stop me from appreciating someone or escalating a non-sexual relationship with that person according to how we'd experince each other so why it should be one way or never? why should it be to accept homosexuality or become my enemy?
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i also believe a small spark can start uncontrolable fire
is there any to prove homosexuality is natural and one is born like that
You are assuming that being homosexual is a choice. I don't see why someone would choose to be often mocked and even suffer of bullying, denial, even beaten to death, especially in countries where being gay can actually lead to the death penalty or prison. There's also other factors like higher suicides rates amongst the LGBT+ community, among others. Why would someone choose to be gay when being straight would make their life so much easier? Your reply just shows me two things: you’re clearly homophobic (phobia of the gays, which you clearly state by saying that “a small spark can start uncontrollable fire”) and you also make it sound like homosexuality is the next future trend, which is pretty absurd. Relax, no one is forcing people to become gay, not now, not ever. Also, it’s very easy for you to ask, “why should I accept homosexuality?” when no one is questioning “why should heterosexuality be accepted?”.
regardless the fact that many gay people discover thier orientation at later time of being straight
They were not straight to begin with. That’s simply the product of the world we live in, where people are forced to hide their sexual orientation (or at least were) due to possible repercussions like not being accepted by their family, friends or even be denied of, for instance, working at a certain places. If eventually people (and I mean everyone, regardless of skin color, sexual orientation, gender…) start accepting that we are all different, then maybe we can avoid such cases as the one you have described.
i believe everyone has the right to practice whatever as long as you don't bring it to my face and try force me accept it, recognise it or give you special rights if it's not widely common, also, i'm not to force anybody to stop or to judge anyone accordingly.
if i don't agree with homosexuality that wouldn't stop me from appreciating someone or escalating a non-sexual relationship with that person according to how we'd experince each other so why it should be one way or never? why should it be to accept homosexuality or become my enemy?
No one is giving special rights as you so call them. The only thing that is being done is reinforcing that gay people should have the same rights as everybody else. For instance, why should someone be fired simply for being gay? It doesn’t even affect the way they work. Why can’t gay couples marry in the same way that straight couples are allowed? The only special rights I see are towards everyone getting the same rights and ultimately end with any type of discrimination.
And by the way, I’m sure that in your life you have found a lot of people that you didn’t like, and what you probably did was stay away from them. If you don’t accept the LGBT+ community simply stay away from them, I’m sure no one is forcing to “bring it to your face” as you call it. Does it bother that a gay couple is holding hands in public? It shouldn’t, but even if it does, all you have to do is ignore and go along with your life. After all, it’s their own life, not yours, so I don’t see why it should bother you that much.
And to finish, it’s not a matter of you becoming the enemy or not. It’s not as simply as black and white. You are more than welcome to don’t accept homosexuality, but at least you should recognize that it’s a reality for some (and respect it). Kinda like you accepting that there are other religions besides being Muslim, and even tho you don’t accept their principles, you respect their existence. So yes, you have every right to not accept homosexuality, and that doesn’t make you automatically a homophobe. It’s the fact that you don’t respect their existence that it does.
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You are assuming that being homosexual is a choice. I don't see why someone would choose to be often mocked and even suffer of bullying, denial, even beaten to death, especially in countries where being gay can actually lead to the death penalty or prison.
i don't agree with that at all afraid to say cuz people stand for what they believe is right and best for them regardless the consequenses, people don't choose to be suject to consequenses but they become ready to face it for the sake of thier cause or choice.
Also, it’s very easy for you to ask, “why should I accept homosexuality?” when no one is questioning “why should heterosexuality be accepted?”.
heterosexuality tends to comply with the rules of nature since the dawn of mankind more than homosexulaity does and it goes more with the common sense and has never been frowned upon neither at ancient nor modern times, never heard of anybody having any problem with the fact that a male can be with a female in sexual relationship but if you have any problem with that please bring it up.
No one is giving special rights as you so call them. The only thing that is being done is reinforcing that gay people should have the same rights as everybody else. For instance, why should someone be fired simply for being gay? It doesn’t even affect the way they work. Why can’t gay couples marry in the same way that straight couples are allowed? The only special rights I see are towards everyone getting the same rights and ultimately end with any type of discrimination.
no body should be discriminated at all, specially something they are not resposible of but people make choices that is questionable sometimes.
And by the way, I’m sure that in your life you have found a lot of people that you didn’t like, and what you probably did was stay away from them. If you don’t accept the LGBT+ community simply stay away from them, I’m sure no one is forcing to “bring it to your face” as you call it. Does it bother that a gay couple is holding hands in public? It shouldn’t, but even if it does, all you have to do is ignore and go along with your life. After all, it’s their own life, not yours, so I don’t see why it should bother you that much.
this might be a good idea for now, maybe science would say the final word soon.
Kinda like you accepting that there are other religions besides being Muslim, and even tho you don’t accept their principles, you respect their existence. So yes, you have every right to not accept homosexuality, and that doesn’t make you automatically a homophobe. It’s the fact that you don’t respect their existence that it does.
you joined those who assumed that i'm a muslim based on assumptions anyway it's valid example and i don't go against the existence of anybody cuz i don't have the right to do so, i see many people supporting LGTBQ cause and that doesn't automatically make them part of the community, yes?
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All you managed to describe is the fact that people are assholes and look for any false narrative to support their argument. Bottom line here is, sometimes your finger goes in your own butthole, sometime it goes in someone else's. It's still finger and butthole regardless. Oh, also:
i tottaly agree to that, sometimes not all the way.
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i don't agree with that at all afraid to say cuz people stand for what they believe is right and best for them regardless the consequenses, people don't choose to be suject to consequenses but they become ready to face it for the sake of thier cause or choice.
Well if you still think that being gay is a choice you should try it for one day then. I'm sure you'll be great at it...
heterosexuality tends to comply with the rules of nature since the dawn of mankind more than homosexulaity does and it goes more with the common sense and has never been frowned upon neither at ancient nor modern times, never heard of anybody having any problem with the fact that a male can be with a female in sexual relationship but if you have any problem with that please bring it up.
well robilar5500 already pointed out a wikipedia link where you can find an example of homosexuality found in nature. And what I meant with “why should heterosexuality be accepted?” is that there's no way to prove, by science as well, that being straight is something you're born with. Still, you don't see anyone doubting of its existence. Still the only other argument that I see you're providing is that just because heterosexuality is something common it means you should accept it. Just because something is common doesn't make it necessarily a good thing, in the same way that just because something is uncommon doesn't make it necessarily a bad thing.
no body should be discriminated at all, specially something they are not resposible of but people make choices that is questionable sometimes.
First of all being transgender doesn't mean being gay. They are separate things. Being transgender is related to gender dysphoria while being gay is related to sexual orientation. According to your original post you were worried that “the gays” were going to take out the world and make everyone gay which would mean no babies… I don’t see how being transgender might have any effect on that. But still there’s medical care always involved in any transition from male to female and vice-versa precisely to avoid any questionable decisions. Regardless of that, there shouldn’t be any type of discrimination towards a human being.
you joined those who assumed that i'm a muslim based on assumptions
I'm sorry if I assumed your religion, my bad. Still what I said applies to any religion at all so it doesn't matter.
i see many people supporting LGTBQ cause and that doesn't automatically make them part of the community, yes?
I never said that you needed to be part of a community in order to support it, that makes zero sense. The only thing I said is that you should respect their existence (which you clearly don’t when you start comparing human beings with bestiality).
PS: If you're interested in learning something, it's LGBTQ, not LGTBQ.
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Well if you still think that being gay is a choice you should try it for one day then. I'm sure you'll be great at it...
that was not an expected suggestion at all.
I never said that you needed to be part of a community in order to support it, that makes zero sense. The only thing I said is that you should respect their existence (which you clearly don’t when you start comparing human beings with bestiality).
was just trying to say that me being part of a steam group that claim to be religious doesn't make me automatically a follower of that religion, same thing applies to LGBTQ supporters.
PS: If you're interested in learning something, it's LGBTQ, not LGTBQ.
yea that was just a slip that wouldn't divert the reader from who i was referring to but thanks for pointing it out anyway.
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that was not an expected suggestion at all.
I actually meant what I said, you should try it. " I'm sure you'll be great at it..." it's just me using irony, in case you didn't notice.
was just trying to say that me being part of a steam group that claim to be religious doesn't make me automatically a follower of that religion, same thing applies to LGBTQ supporters.
You're absolutely right, that's why I'm apologising once again. Sorry.
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right, maybe it's too early to talk about how a small minority of gay people would affect birth rate in the future considering that fact they are small minority but i also believe a small spark can start uncontrolable fire and that happens in nature too but moving on with this.
Where is that spark? Homosexuality is not new. It has been here for who knows how many thousand years. What makes you think there is a spark now (implying this is a new phenomenon) that could suddenly explode and take over the world?
talking about evidence, is there any to prove homosexuality is natural and one is born like that regardless the fact that many gay people discover thier orientation at later time of being straight? i get a lot of answers that staight can't change to gay or vice versa but that not that case in reaility, hopefully there is any scientific efindence to support that and say the final word?
What does it matter if it's natural or not? Do people only have the right to express their freedom if what they want to do is natural? I believe there is evidence that sexual orientation is at least in part influenced by your genes (would have to look it up again). But I really think this is completely besides the point.
i believe everyone has the right to practice whatever as long as you don't bring it to my face and try force me accept it, recognise it or give you special rights if it's not widely common, also, i'm not to force anybody to stop or to judge anyone accordingly.
What does that mean "bring it to my face"? Gay people should only act gay if you can't see them? Imagine I would say the same about your religion. Be muslim if you must, believe in that nonsense if you want, but don't even think of praying near me. Don't let your women wear these stupid hijabs and burkas in public, as they are nothing but a symbol of opression. Do your thing, but it's best you do it only in your basement! Does that feel good? Probably not, huh. Also not sure what you mean by special rights. What special rights are they asking for? I think it's more about equality, meaning they want the same rights as everyone else. I don't believe they ask for any special rights at all.
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What does it matter if it's natural or not? Do people only have the right to express their freedom if what they want to do is natural? I believe there is evidence that sexual orientation is at least in part influenced by your genes (would have to look it up again). But I really think this is completely besides the point.
that's the problem, when humans tries to ignore laws of nature claiming that there is no rules at all and everything is possible and freedom should be absolute, isn't global warming a form of interfering with nature doing all what we want regardless of it's hazardous effect (just an example and not a comparison)? and yes it should be natural and pass common sense critera otherwise would start calling for besiality to be legal and part of freedom, interspecies sexual realations might not be natural but who cares according to your logic.
think if we come up with alternatives to any natural biological needs, it'd be best to go with alternarives cuz why not?
if there is a male and a female that's for a reason, if the male has a different form than the female and vice versa is also for a reason (my basic senses can only distinguish between those two genders only BTW), if your logic tells you that nothing in nature has a reason nor a purpose then i think we're gonna reach a dead end with this discussion since it's not gonna be based on any solid ground from both opposite point of views and gonna be an endless debate, BTW who to deside ill logic from healthy one?
What does that mean "bring it to my face"? Gay people should only act gay if you can't see them? Imagine I would say the same about your religion. Be muslim if you must, believe in that nonsense if you want, but don't even think of praying near me. Don't let your women wear these stupid hijabs and burkas in public, as they are nothing but a symbol of opression. Do your thing, but it's best you do it only in your basement! Does that feel good? Probably not, huh. Also not sure what you mean by special rights. What special rights are they asking for? I think it's more about equality, meaning they want the same rights as everyone else. I don't believe they ask for any special rights at all.
don't wanna be stereotyping but, eh
act gay, act wierd or whatever you do is fine as long as you don't bring it to my face specially if what you're gonna do would have any negative psychological imapct, if i tell you i'm bothered the way you're speaking to me you should at least stop talking to me not to get angry and start calling me names, fair enough?
for me it's beyond my senses to see a fully grown adult male trying to artificially speak in a feminine voice that is not even close to be feminine, that iflects a physiological damage on me, the theory that says a man could be born in a female body or vice versa doesn't even logical nor scientific.
if i told you i can change my form into a rabbit for example you would laugh but if i actually can do it infront of your eyes then you might go crazy cause it's abnormal to you and out of ordinary, if a person who i distinguish as a male for example ask me to address him as a female that would cause serious phycological damage to me specially if i'm forced by law to destinguish people the way they want regarding to gender.
funny fact is that you might be the 4th or the 5th to assume i'm muslim although i haven't claimed to be one, maybe it's based on participation in a religious group or maybe or based on other's assumptions.
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that's the problem, when humans tries to ignore laws of nature claiming that there is no rules at all and everything is possible and freedom should be absolute, isn't global warming a form of interfering with nature doing all what we want regardless of it's hazardous effect (just an example and not a comparison)? and yes it should be natural and pass common sense critera otherwise would start calling for besiality to be legal and part of freedom, interspecies sexual realations might not be natural but who cares according to your logic.
No, that's not my logic and I feel you are ignoring everything I (and others) said before. I agree on the global warming issue. But the problem with global warming is not that is is not natural. The problem is the consequences we face for our actions. The problem is that our actions hurt ourselves and others. Global Warming leads to rise in temperature, storms, melting of the ice caps, rise of sea level, flooding of now populated areas, extinction of numerous species and many other things. That is the problem with it. Not that it's not natural. What exactly are the consequences of two gays having sex? I think we already established that the extinction of the human race is a little far fetched. So, what else is there? How would it hurt you that two people have a relationship and sex?
think if we come up with alternatives to any natural biological needs, it'd be best to go with alternarives cuz why not?
Why would I think that? You should have gotten from my responses by now, that I think the best way is determined by reason and logic.
if your logic tells you that nothing in nature has a reason nor a purpose then i think we're gonna reach a dead end with this discussion since it's not gonna be based on any solid ground from both opposite point of views and gonna be an endless debate
Where the hell did I say anything remotely close to that?
BTW who to deside ill logic from healthy one?
Well, we can only try to derive our actions from logic. A reasonable way to do that is to judge every action by how it influences the well-being of yourself and others. So if you murder someone, that's bad for the other guy. So it's obviously immorale. If you want to take a walk, that doesn't hurt anyone, so it is not immorale. You have to try to apply this to every possible action. And I know it can get complicated in more complex situations, but it is the way to go. Gay relationships check non of my boxes for immorality. How about you?
don't wanna be stereotyping but, eh
act gay, act wierd or whatever you do is fine as long as you don't bring it to my face specially if what you're gonna do would have any negative psychological imapct, if i tell you i'm bothered the way you're speaking to me you should at least stop talking to me not to get angry and start calling me names, fair enough?
No, not fair enough. I still don't know what exactly you mean by "bring it to my face". If I understand you correctly, you are saying gay people can "act gay" if they want, but when they talk to you they should stop "acting gay"? Why is it so difficult for you to accept that different people will behave differently? Honestly, that's like saying people with a lisp should talk properly on front of you. :/
for me it's beyond my senses to see a fully grown adult male trying to artificially speak in a feminine voice that is not even close to be feminine, that iflects a physiological damage on me, the theory that says a man could be born in a female body or vice versa doesn't even logical nor scientific.
It doesn't have to make sense to you, because this is not about you! Nobody is asking you to turn gay. All you need to do is tolerate that other people are gay. How hard can that be?
And the part about physiological - well, first, I think you didn't mean physiology. And second, it's just ridiculous. No, you do not get psychological damage from someone "acting gay". I think you are the one acting right now. If I follow your logic, I could just say that your intolerance hurts me psychologically and therefore you should either stop being intolerant or be removed from society. Makes sense?
funny fact is that you might be the 4th or the 5th to assume i'm muslim although i haven't claimed to be one, maybe it's based on participation in a religious group or maybe or based on other's assumptions.
Well sure, you are in a group called "proud to be a muslim" and in a group for Egyptians, which is a muslim country. So it's a logical assumption. And since you are most likely a muslim, you should know how it feels to be subject to intolerance, right? I am sure you have read anti-muslim comments, seen anti-muslim stuff on TV, and maybe experienced it in real life as well. I am sure you do not enjoy getting attacked for being a muslim, right? Well, you are doing the exact same thing right now.
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Good luck on your mass blacklist acquisition. More than happy to do my part.
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woot woot alert, someone is gonna put me on blacklist.
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Just how I feel, there are a lot of fights for rights for the groups I don't personally agree with because I feel it does take away from the rights of others, but I'm still accepting of all the groups as human beings that deserve to be treated as equal. It's a very challenging subject to tackle in this day and age with so many people taking stuff to the extreme.
That said, I also want to say I hope your wife gets better as well, sorry, my mind has been occupied with a lot of stressful stuff lately, so in the midst of all the reading I was doing, and being tired, I had completely forgot you said she was sick, just saw the post beneath mine while responding now, so yah, hope all turns out well.
Lastly, noticed the update, and polygamy should be legal. I've personally no interest in it, but again, it hurts no one. There are a lot of laws that still exist that make no sense in my opinion.
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Just how I feel, there are a lot of fights for rights for the groups I don't personally agree with because I feel it does take away from the rights of others, but I'm still accepting of all the groups as human beings that deserve to be treated as equal. It's a very challenging subject to tackle in this day and age with so many people taking stuff to the extreme.
i have every right to reject homosexuality without degrading nor mocking those who practice it but most of people don't seem to be ok with that, it must be one way or never, thanks for being moderate.
That said, I also want to say I hope your wife gets better as well, sorry, my mind has been occupied with a lot of stressful stuff lately, so in the midst of all the reading I was doing, and being tired, I had completely forgot you said she was sick, just saw the post beneath mine while responding now, so yah, hope all turns out well.
it's tough times for eveybody, i hope things goes right with you as well and thank you for your feelings.
Lastly, noticed the update, and polygamy should be legal. I've personally no interest in it, but again, it hurts no one. There are a lot of laws that still exist that make no sense in my opinion.
that's the point, it doesn't mean that i brought Polygamy or Zoophilia on the table that i'm actually promoting it but duh, people is people.
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I always try to stay moderate because you don't have a conversation that leads to learning by shouting at, and insulting people. That said, I don't agree with some of the comparisons you did, like bestiality, and I feel perhaps you may need to be more open minded on the subject. It's hard to tell if it's just a poor choice of words, or if you truly look down on LGBTQ people. I'm hoping it's just a poor choice of words, as I know sometimes even I make that fault.
Using words like reject, will always lead to most people assuming the most negative definition of the word, as though you're implying they're inadequate or inappropriate. It's perfectly ok to dislike something, but still be accepting of it however. You can think gay relations are gross, as a result of your own sexual preference, but still treat gay people as equals.
In the end, everyone deserves equal human rights, but only equal. I don't agree with stuff like in Canada, where laws are passed forcing the use of preferred gender pronouns, and if you don't, you're at risk of breaking hate speech laws and being fined. Trying to legally force people to adopt language they're unfamiliar with is just wrong, especially in a case where there are a ton of made up genders.
I have no issue calling male to female a female, or female to male a male, and although I think all the other genders are nonsensical, so long as the people using them are decent human beings, I will try my best to show respect, but... The thing is, respect is earned, not given, and if I unknowingly use the wrong pronoun, and someone gets bitchy with me over it, they're only ensuring I'm going to continue using the wrong pronoun, and for me to get punished for hate speech, because I choose to be a dick to and asshole or cunt just doesn't sit well with me. My speech will not be dictated to coddle the delicate sensibilities of people who can't handle words, especially when the context isn't even intended as negative towards them.
In addition, I disagree with the whole Transgender bathroom laws that were implemented in some places, but not as a result of having an issue with transgender people, but rather because of the abuse sick bastards exploit it for. Personally, in this day and age, I don't think we should have public bathrooms period. The space taken up to create a huge room full of urinals, stalls empty floor space and sinks, could easily be turned into multiple separate bathrooms that give everyone their privacy.
All that aside though. LGBTQ deserve every right I do. They should not be discriminated against simply because of what or who they are. They should be allowed to marry, they should be able to work any job, go into any store, receive every service, etc etc etc. They're still human beings.
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i do really appreciate that, thanks a lot and hopefully we all get out of these dark times soon.
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thanks for comparing us queers to animals who in no way can consent to sexual congress. you just keep showing your ass here and like others i am extremely concerned about the dog in your profile pic cos if you have regular contact with them then there's a good chance you've fucked the poor thing.
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sorry if you look at it that way but to clarify, i'm not comparing you to animals i'm just comparing a minority to another minority of people and i listened to some of LGBT supporters who claimed that it's somthing natural and normal withing animals so it's not me who did the comparison.
BTW, don't worry about Rico (the dog in the picture) i'm an animal lover and won't do any usual, wierd, illegal nor highly frowned upon sexual stuff with my friend.
taking shit to me or to anyone who doesn't agree with your views wouldn't really help filling the gap, you should be a good ambassador cause you're not only representing yourself as you claimed.
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if WHO decided to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illness then i geuss Zoophilia should get the same acceptance and recognition or is it double standards?
nah, you're comparing queer sexuality to people who fuck animals. false equivalency, sure, but this is all a rambling exercise in trying to find people who agree with you that queer relationships are just the same as bestiality, which you already know is offensive.
i don't have to be civil to someone who admits to watching dogfucking porn. can't help but feel this entire topic of yours is an attempt to establish a paper trail so when the cops respond to a noise complaint on you by the neighbors and they bust in to find you covered in peanut butter and traumatized dogs you can point to it and feebly bleat that it's just a study of human nature, or whatever you're trying to establish here to support your harmful fetish.
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ugh.. here we go.
Freedom is good but should it be absloute? is mocking people out of freedom is acceptable act? is telling people things they hate to hear about themselves a fair use of freedom? Am i free as long as i don't hurt anybody? how about LGBTQ, is it a fair use of freedom?
yes. my philosophy is do whatever the hell you want just as long as you aren't harming others. there's absolutely no justice in belittling someone because of their sexuality. as long as it's consensual, two grown adults should be able to fuck whomever they want.
LGBTQ supporters claims that it's a natural behaviour that is not happening only in humans but in animals too and therefore we should accept that but question is, is it enough that because animals is doing it we humans should do it or accept it among our race? aren't we an intelligent race and other races isn't? is there any other reasons why LGBTQ rights should be protected and recognised?
well, humans are technically animals. you're acting like the only argument in favor is "well, animals do it, so it's okay for us to". it is natural for people to have feelings towards people of the same sex. this might blow your mind, but some people actually like to fuck men and women! wowza! hmm imagine that.. i guess lgbtq actually can reproduce. not to mention artificial insemination. you're right though, we're more intelligent than mere animals.. why are we still eating food to survive? we should be injecting that nutrition straight into our veins. and breathing air?? don't get me started.
Covid 19 is a result of humans eating what they are not supposed to be eating and if you wanna know the crieteria of what we should eat safely you can at least eat what is known to be safe. now my wife has Covid 19 just because someone felt free to eat whatever he/she wants to eat on the other side of the planet.
not so much "eating what they shouldn't be eating" and more "improper storage of raw food", but yeah sorry about your wife. i don't know anyone with covid, but we've all been directly affected by it. my grandfather is dying from cancer and we can't even go in to see him. we have to talk to him through a window. i don't know what this has to do with lgbtq though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i believe sexual intercourse where it's not supposed to be can have a disastrous impact on our race, if it's not medical-related then it's gonna lead to a slow exctintion of our race if LGBTQ became the global orientation due to the very low birth rate that is going to happen because someone don't have appetite towards the opposite sex, if WHO decided to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illness then i geuss Zoophilia should get the same acceptance and recognition or is it double standards?
i'm sure others have mentioned it, but that's called the slippery slope fallacy, and it's a laughably ridiculous argument. as i've already mention lgbtq folk are still perfectly able to reproduce. to think that accepting anything other than heterosexual relationships will lead to the extinction of the human race is just plain stupid. people have been gay since the beginning of mankind, and last i checked, our population numbers are doing juuust fine.
i don't like you.
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But i can't be happy if i can't harm others man, how can u not let me do this i have a right too! lol its natural for me to do this is it?
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i mean if you can't be happy without harming others then that sounds like a you problem.
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yes. my philosophy is do whatever the hell you want just as long as you aren't harming others. there's absolutely no justice in belittling someone because of their sexuality. as long as it's consensual, two grown adults should be able to fuck whomever they want.
well, humans are technically animals. you're acting like the only argument in favor is "well, animals do it, so it's okay for us to". it is natural for people to have feelings towards people of the same sex. this might blow your mind, but some people actually like to fuck men and women! wowza! hmm imagine that.. i guess lgbtq actually can reproduce. not to mention artificial insemination. you're right though, we're more intelligent than mere animals.. why are we still eating food to survive? we should be injecting that nutrition straight into our veins. and breathing air?? don't get me started.
if two grown adults has the right to fuck whoever they want, why not an adult human and an adult animal can't have the same right since we are technically animals and some people who practiced bestiality were able to show that the animal is doing it happily and willingly or it doesn't count?
bestiality is illegal for animals has no free will and can't say yes but humans are free to kill and eat them, isn't it a double standards?
not so much "eating what they shouldn't be eating" and more "improper storage of raw food", but yeah sorry about your wife. i don't know what this has to do with lgbtq though. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
the point is freedom should not be absulote if there is a possibility that someone's acts might directly or indirectly hurt others specailly when it comes to diseases i just don't get the logic people are following nowadays, here's some good food to eat that is clean and viruses free "no i'll eat bats or rats cuz the soup is tasty" here is a vgina to fuck and is clean "no i'll fuck that other whole cuz it's tighter regardless the fact that it's not designed for that and can transmitted diseases" or how about a penis it's good for you "no i'll replace it with a dildo and put on another woman and do the same thing with same mechanism of the whole thing"
don't understand it and i really wish that someone can explain it in a decent way why these behaviours are normal?
if you work in the ER you would see all kinda people coming with all kinda stuff stuck in thier rectum, is that something more fun?
lgbtq folk are still perfectly able to reproduce
thanks to modern technology and let's hope it lasts for ever.i don't like you.
you're opinion is considerable and i'm neutral to you still although you don't like me.
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if two grown adults has the right to fuck whoever they want, why not an adult human and an adult animal can't have the same right since we are technically animals and some people who practiced bestiality were able to show that the animal is doing it happily and willingly or it doesn't count?
You really don't understand consent, do you? Two (or more) adults have the right to choose and can give consent. If there is no consent, then that is rape, by definition. A non-human animal cannot give consent, so essentially bestiality is rape. It's nothing to do with sexual orientation. No consent = rape = bad.
Now for your spurious argument about an animal that is happy having sex with a human - prove it. You do realise that animals have a lower intelligence than humans and can be easily manipulated and trained to perform. This is no different to a lion jumping through firey hoops in a circus - you really think it wants to be there?
some good food to eat that is clean and viruses free "no i'll eat bats or rats cuz the soup is tasty"
You keep saying this, but zoonotic viruses aren't transmitted through eating animals. It's the poor hygenic conditions of the wet market that facilitated this. That's why we cook our food - it's very effective at killing bacteria and viruses. Why do you think otherwise? See here
- It is very unlikely that you can catch coronavirus (COVID-19) from food.
- Cooking thoroughly will kill the virus.
And really, why does it bother you so much what other men do with their dicks?
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thoughtfulhippo already answered most of the questions in the same way i would have, but i'd like to add a few things..
you realize that a gay couple is more than just them having sex right? the same attraction is there as any hetero relationship, things like love, affection, care. sex just comes with the package. sure, some people only wanna have sex, but you'll find that in any denomination of people. there is no such thing as a "normal" person. people vary wildly in factors such as color, culture, diet, sexuality, musical taste, intelligence and so much more.
you keep going on about the food thing but you are factually wrong. maybe that's why you don't understand it. proper storage and cooking of literally any food will prevent bacteria and viruses, thus preventing disease. covid happened not because the wrong thing was eaten.. it happened because of china's lack of proper food laws, and no, it's not okay. they should fix that so it doesn't happen again. i think everyone can agree on that.
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oh look more shitposting! just what the internet needed
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Think about it this way. If none of us gave a toss about how other people lived their lives. If colour of skin, religion, sex, sexuality or nationality didn't matter, then there would be no need for "special" rights for anyone. These "rights" as you call them are something that we all have and are entitled to as human beings. The problems arise when people attack, or discriminate someone based on their differences. There is this notion that they're getting special treatment, but in actuality, they're just trying to say "I have as much right to live my life without discrimination as the rest of you." Why do people care? If someone isn't doing something that affects me negatively, I honestly couldn't give a toss.
If people stopped caring how others live, minorities wouldn't have to hold protests or marches in the first place.
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If people stopped caring how others live, minorities wouldn't have to hold protests or marches in the first place.
It's because people weren't caring that a lot of things going on in this world are happening. This is a general statement, and not directed at minorities, either, it's directed at anyone who's been in an abusive relationship, lived without their parents while growing up, or any other common issue in today's society.
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That's not what I meant. It's very easy to pick what someone says up the wrong way (I think that's the case here), or some even twist what someone is saying using semantics within the English language and start an unrelated argument. :P When someone says they "don't care" that can be in a positive or negative context.
Saying "I don't care" what your race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, skin colour, or nationality is, is a positive. I am going to judge you on how you interact with me and with others. You, your personality, that is what matters most to me. This is how I treat people in real life and it's how I want to be treated in return. My personal life is no one's business but my own.
At work, one time, a workmate was like "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR ARM???" My sister accidentally burned me with an iron. She was straightening her hair with the friggen clothes iron, it comes of the end and sticks to my arm bringing the skin with it. It was horrible. He saw the edge of that burn and pulled up my sleeve. He thought someone did that to me deliberately. He was concerned and cared about me as a person and I had to explain. lol. That wasn't prying into my personal life for the sake of it, he was concerned for my wellbeing, so I took no offense to this. See? They are two very different things.
What you're describing about people not caring about others is sociopathy and has nothing at all to do with just treating everyone with respect and leaving them to hell alone.
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Freedom is good but should it be absloute? is mocking people out of freedom is acceptable act? is telling people things they hate to hear about themselves a fair use of freedom? Am i free as long as i don't hurt anybody? how about LGBTQ, is it a fair use of freedom?
LGBTQ supporters claims that it's a natural behaviour that is not happening only in humans but in animals too and therefore we should accept that but question is, is it enough that because animals is doing it we humans should do it or accept it among our race? aren't we an intelligent race and other races isn't? is there any other reasons why LGBTQ rights should be protected and recognised?
Covid 19 is a result of humans eating what they are not supposed to be eating and if you wanna know the crieteria of what we should eat safely you can at least eat what is known to be safe. now my wife has Covid 19 just because someone felt free to eat whatever he/she wants to eat on the other side of the planet.
i believe sexual intercourse where it's not supposed to be can have a disastrous impact on our race, if it's not medical-related then it's gonna lead to a slow exctintion of our race if LGBTQ became the global orientation due to the very low birth rate that is going to happen because someone don't have appetite towards the opposite sex,
if WHO decided to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illness then i geuss Zoophilia should get the same acceptance and recognition or is it double standards?with all respect to all human beings regarldess of sexual orientations, i'm just wondering about things hopefully i'll get some convincing answers.
let me know what you think, fellow human :)
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due to the considrable amount of awesome comments finding it irreasonable for Zoophilia to be recognised for it's not consensual -which i'm totally convinced with and it's totally different than LGTB- i had to take it back but talking about consenst, why
polygamyPolyamory isn't legal when it's totally consensual?Comment has been collapsed.