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Hello lovely SG people
I've been thinking about creating a GA group since a long time, and I'm wondering if people here would be interested.
I'd like to use a mechanic I loved in a now inactive old group called Unlucky Gifters of the Dice, but with a few differences that matters.
Main principle: each month, some members are randomly selected, a third of the group. These members must make a GA. They can't be selected the next month. On the other side, any member can enter any GA without restrictions or ratio to keep up with. That's for the basics, and that's more or less the rules of the group I talked about before.
Now something new: the selected members have to make a GA, but not a random one. They will have to giveaway a game they played and really enjoyed, and tell in the GA description why they loved this game so much. Not asking for a big wall of text, but some effort has to be done so people enter the GA for actually playing the game and, in the end, everyone knows a bit about the tastes and feelings of the gifter.
A giftee should also post a message to the GA creator within 2 months, to tell this person if he enjoyed or not the game, and why.
Group rules can be seen there: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/lucklovegamers/discussions/0/3004424478070545233/
Feelings and opinions are welcome.
For the beginning at least, I would like to invite only people with a generous gifting history / ratio. The reason behind this will is that the rules would be easy to circumvent by greedy people: it should rely on everybody's fairness, which would be easier with proven fair people.
I'll be happy to read any thoughts on this. Group is now live, and the first roll will come around december 1st.
If you want to join, please post a message here first. While I will be checking direct join requests in Steam, there are odds that I'll just dismiss them if they don't come from a known person.
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The coincidence! I honestly just thought about this group the other day. I have fond memories of it and it has been my most favourite group I have ever been in of all my time on SG. That and the Simultaneous Giveaway Group events who died alongside Steam's new regional restriction and inventory storing rules.
I remember the original group having a setup of the gift having to be an unbundled game. You don't seem to want to pick up that one. Any reasons why? To make the group more accessible?
Anyways, consider me interested!
Hi Eeev. Happy to see you there :)
Yes, Unlucky Gifters of the Dice had the non-bundle rule. I'm not going that way, not to make the group more accessible, but because I'd like it to be oriented towards sharing loved games: I don't want to exclude bundle games, it would miss the point. That's the reason I'd prefer, at least at first, members to have a generous SG history: this way, I'm betting people who will giveaway bundle games will do so because of the game quality, and not because of the game price.
Of course, rules are made to be discussed, battlefield-tested, and changed if necessary :)
I also enjoyed that group, please count me in
Thanks for your interest. I will be issuing the first invites later today.
The only thing I can say is that I love the concept and would gladly join - if don't mind having me, that is :)
Edit: gave it a bit of thinking and decided it's not for me after all because of combo of regional locks and having very niche taste: it would be too depressing to buy an expensive ROW key and then watch nobody entering your GA.
You would have been welcome: should you decide to take a try, come back to me and I'll send an invite !
Pretty nice idea, but my problem would be that games "I really enjoyed" sets the bar quite high. I'd be gifting a limited number of games all the time. Games many people would already own too.
So that's why I'll pass. I'm too German (critical) for this! ;D
I'm not asking people to giveaway there favorite games in order :) It's of course up to you to join or not, but the goal is only to share games people found an interest in (=> not giving away random cheap games or leftovers). I would be perfectly fine with some criticism in the GAs, like "I enjoyed this one, but I also found flaws in it, like this or that".
Don't hesitate to turn your mind and come back to me !
And if you allow me to joke on my beloved german neighbours (frenchie there):
They will have to giveaway a game they played and really enjoyed.
They will have to giveaway a game they played and really enjoyed.
As Golwar mentioned, it really sets the bar high, but other than that, sounds good.
Should I consider you interested in joining ?
That sounds like a really great giveaway group concept! Steamgifts is good to get rid of leftover keys but I LOVE steamgifts because I get to share games and experiences with other gamers while also receiving the same. My latest ga, FATE, is a dungeon crawler that I loved as a kid and I had to make a giveaway for nostalgia (I also had in a playing appreciated group giveaway, so that the winner will hopefully play it). As long as the group members stick to the guidelines, then I think a group like you described would be a really positive thing and I'd love to join!
Thanks for your interest ! I will be issuing the first invites later today.
It seems like an interesting concept, resembling the premise for Playing Appreciated but with more quality involved.
I'd be interested in joining such a group, specially since I like recommending the games I really enjoy.
EDIT: Btw, if this group ends happening and I join it, would you be ok if I either add people from my white list to the group's ga or make multi-groups ga?
I don't mind shared GAs, when they are done on the initiative of the gifter. If we are talking about the "mandatory" GA (by someone who would be picked randomly as I said in original post), then the winner should be a member of the group to count.
Saying it differently: I don't mind if someone wants to maximize his chances to get 5 entries, but it implies the risk for the GA not to be counted (= make another one until the winner is a group member).
Would this be ok for you ?
Sorry for the delay I was really busy
But it sounds good, although, for the circunstances explained, I think it would be better to limit the mandatory giveaways for group members only, so that the giveaway creator doesn't need to manually check if who got the game is indeed in the group (specially if the group part of the winner's profile is private)
 but them there'd be the 5 giveaways needed to count CV, even though sharing the games you like would be the most important part. Not sure which is the best option, because of that
Sorry for the delay too :) For now I'm leaving the option to make shared GA that will not count if winner is not a group member, so people have the choice to do like they want. But we can discuss it. Feel free to send a join request if you're up to.
Sorry for yet another delay
But I'm interested in joining the group, yes. How can I apply for it?
Nice idea, but I see some problem here - region locks.
For example, I really enjoyed Star Wars Squadrons - and I want to GA this game in the group. But, this is a fresh release, so bundle sites hasn't it on their lists - and I can't buy a Steam key for this game anywhere (BTW, by some reason I prefer to use Steam store, not the other markets). So, I'll have to create region locked GA., even if I'm ready to pay the full price to send the gift to another region - I'm afraid that region locked GA in a small group will have just 0-1 entries.
Yes, these stupid region locks are a plague. But I guess there are still many good games with no regional restrictions :)
I really like the sound of this so far and would be very interested in joining! The idea seems to be a bit like Playing Appreciated, but a little more relaxed for the winners and with a bit more curation from the gifters. Could be a lot of fun.
Just my opinions on a couple of the points other people have brought up so far:
"Only non-bundled games": I would be against this for multiple reasons. Like some of the others have mentioned, restricting GAs to only games you have played and truly enjoyed could be a bit of a hurdle for some people as it is. Adding the further restriction of only non-bundled titles could be setting the bar way too high, especially for a new group. Also, if the focus of the group is to share games that you loved with people you expect to play them, then the "value" for the winner should be in the quality of the game, not how much the gifter paid for them. XCOM 2, Hellblade, and Beat Hazard 2 are all "must play" recommendations from me - the fact that they have all appeared in bundles doesn't change that.
"Shared with WL/other groups": I would be in favor of this, especially for a brand new group. It would reduce people's concern of not hitting the 5 entries needed to receive CV. That would both make the group attractive to more people, and hopefully encourage people to giveaway some games that might be a little more niche.
Looking forward to seeing how this shapes up!
Thanks for your feedback. As I answered to other people:
Sounds good, Saint. You can count me in :)
I had wanted an axolotl ever since I first saw a picture of one when I was very young, and I finally bought my first one about 2 years ago. That's him in my avatar pic :) (Old pic, though. He's much bigger now)
That’s a great idea for a group :) I love when people contact me about a game they won months ago and share their thoughts. So it would be great to be part of a group where people talk about their gaming experience on a regular basis.
I’m personally not a fan of giveaways that are shared with other groups/wl, because I feel like it can be easily abused when there are mandatory giveaways involved, but at the same time I understand that people want to get 5 entries.
Only way around that is having enough members in the first place, I guess. I'm looking forward to seeing how you'll set this group up :)
Thanks for your message ! Regarding the shared GAs, you can have a look at my answer to Auster999. Should I send you an invite ?
Yes, thank you, I would love to join :3
Sounds interesting. How you filter the people? Do you let everybody in, or are you trying to get a certain kind?
For the beginning, I'm accepting only people with a generous history on SG, because of the nature of the group it will work only if people act in fairness, so no greedy collectors :) Later I think it will be possible to accept people without a nice ratio, if they are recommended by members.
If I am fulfilling your perceptions of such a member, I would like to give it a shot.
How do we get noticed, if it is our turn to do a GA?
Sorry for the late reply. I will post an announcement, and post in a group discussion. I guess subscribing to the subforum would be the easier way for anyone. I guess I'll also send reminders when people seem to be late.
No problem. Hope it is going to work.
Am I worthy to be a group member?
I hope so, since you are already a member :)
I was also in Unlucky Gifters of the Dice and really enjoyed it a lot. The broadcast/recorded reveals of who would need to make giveaways were a lot of fun :). It helped you feel more involved in the group rather than just posting games once a month. The concept sounds good and I'd be interested in the group if you do set it up.
There's one potential problem I'd have with the additional rule you outlined though. I have a relatively small library of 277 games that I've built up over 9 years and I don't buy many as I'm working on my backlog. If the rule is to only give away games you've played and enjoyed it would limit what I can give away by quite a lot and might mean most people already have the games I can give away. As a suggestion, could the rule be a game you played and enjoyed or one that over 50% of members have wishlisted or something like that? That would expand the number of games I could give away and would ensure that people were interested in them.
I think the original group had a rule that if you were picked to make a giveaway one month, you couldn't get picked again next month. Keeping that would be good, or even extending it to two months.
I was thinking about making a video for the random picks or not, reading your post gives me a clue of what people can expect :) Thanks for that, I'll probably go this way.
Regarding the wishlist rule you are proposing, I'd be more open to gifting games in a "I loved that part but hated that one" way to lower the bar a bit. I have to think about it, if people make the effort of stating why they find a massively-wishlisted game appealing, it could still fit the core concept of sharing tastes and feeling.
For the not-being-picked-2-months-in-a-row rule, yes, it is there. Not extending it to another month, because it would lead to everyone being picked every 3 months, so the luck part would be somehow discarded (it would just be a matter of order, then).
Should I send you an invite ?
My worry was about the number of games I buy, rather than the ones I like. I probably only buy around 15 games on average a year, guess I'm just thinking that it limits what I can give and people may already have them or not be interested.
Anyway, thinking about it, I guess if I was super unlucky I'd only be chosen 6 times in a year so I can probably find games I enjoyed to give away.
Invite - yes please :) Hope to see all the rules before we start with giveaways, but sounds good so far.
Sure, I'll do it later in the weekend. I added a link in OP to the first writing of the rules. I guess we'll start the GAs later in november, when we have a few more members, or december. And of course when we'll have discussed the final rules between founders :)
Sounds like a lot of fun. Especially liking the sharing games you've played and loved yourself and the feedback from the winner! Count me in if you'd have me!
Sure, you are welcome. You can accept my friend request or directly send a request to join the group.
Great idea, but I don't like writing too much in my language, let alone in English XD
Hi Skull, how are you ? still active in ELE ? It would be nice to have you in. I don't ask for huge walls of text, as long as the intent and a few ideas are written, so it's really up to you. This, and the fact that most people like me are not native english speakers : aproximative english is excused :)
Sounds fun. Count me in, please, if you consider me in good standing for this group.
Sure, can you send a join request ? https://steamcommunity.com/groups/lucklovegamers
Sorry to say this, but I have to opt out from the group before it starts. There are too few of us. I looked through the games I've played and didn't find anything worthwhile to share with existing members that hasn't been played yet by group's majority.
Neat idea, requested to join if that's okay.
Please go to https://steamcommunity.com/groups/lucklovegamers and join us :)
Looks fun, requested to join
Thanks for your interest but you don't match currently the kind of profile I'm looking for. I'm sorry for that, feel free to come back later after a few more activity :)
I requested and got denied. I could make giveaways of mostly good but non-premium (I mean non AAA games) games that I have played hundreds of hours. AAA games can cost alot sometimes and I am looking for work at the moment.
Edit: Ok. I got it now. Just checked OP's giveaway history. The group is for massive givers and dedicated gamers. My mistake. I am well past that era.
I've been thinking about this group for a while and it really is a concept I love. Sometimes I make GAs for games I really want my winners to give their opinions on and I've tried using Playing Matters for that, but my winners haven't given me any feedback there :(
But that being said, I'm going to just observe this group and see what it becomes for a while. I think it's the sometimes mandatory GAs and the (probably going to be) bundled games that make me unsure here. I don't enter for that many bundled games anymore, most bundled games I do enter for are from old bundles, and combining that with having to make giveaways make me think that maybe I'm not going to gain so much from being a member here. If the group was more flexible and I could just throw in GAs I wanted opinions for when it suits me or if the group encouraged more rare GAs I'd join straight away.
Thanks for your feedback. We'll surely see how things go, and if it appears not to work as intended, we will tweak the rules to improve them. See you soon maybe ?
Sure, maybe! I'll be watching lol
I am actually very interested on the concept, but will choose to wait a little bit more before joining. I want to see how things go with the group. :D
Have a beautiful week.
Thank you :) I will be happy to issue an invite to you if you're up to one day. You can also join now and help shape the group :-)
The concept seems really interesting, and I'll be glad to join and provide some (at least by me) enjoyed games!
The problem it's the same as always, it's my ratio enough? Please let me know.
Hello Conti and thanks for your interest. Your ratio is not bad, but you lack a non-bundle history, so it's difficult to choose an option or the other without doubt. Let me think a bit and I'll come back to you soon, ok ?
Just made a non bundled one. I was going to give it away in the group, but it's fine this way too
The concept sounds really nice and its a different kind of group, so count me in, if there is a place.
The concept certainly sounds interesting. I'd be interested in joining, although I'm not sure if I qualify for your requirements. :c