Don't buy indie games. They'll just spend the money on drugs and liquor.
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If people are that desperately tied to their budgets on spending their hard-earned money on video games that even a few dimes difference throws them into a hissy fit, they probably shouldn't be investing their earnings towards games to begin with. They should be at least content of the fact they didn't purchase their game when it wasn't on sale. If they did, I could understand the frustration.
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I would think people are just following logic. Spend as little as you can on non essentials that are just a piece of code and have no inherent value. A basic principle. If you have enough surplus money to chuck it wherever you like, good on you. Most of the world is not in the same situation. All those dimes or whatever could add up to one of the 5 bundles that are available each week :)
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Code has no value. Everything a computer/console has ever done is worthless. Just a bunch of stupid 1s and 0s. Bring back VHS and record players! Viva la 80slution.
Edit: Stop posting comments if you missed my sarcasm.
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Everything a computer has done is worthless, no, just look at Microsoft with Windows. A Steam game, pretty much, as after all Steam is just DRM, making any investment or resale value nil.
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I'm quite happy with my investment with Steam. Sorry they burned you so badly.
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I am not burned i am happy with what i have got. Just can understand some people in some situations that need to watch their spending more and do so by waiting for games to be in bundles. I dont care if you pay full price or wait for a bundle. Whatever floats your boat. Just dont get other people trying to tell people not to save money :)
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Ummm no. People should enjoy life however they want. What sounds ridiculous is you coming to that conclusion. If somebody wants to wait, save some money and buy in a bundle then fine. If somebody wants to buy before or on release then that is fine too. Think about it, digest and let it sink in before typing ;)
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Oops ok i apologise profusely. Who exactly, and what comment were you talking to though ? Read through the ones you could have replied to and can't seem to match the reply to any comment ?
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Battlefield 4 was -50% after a month of existance, and -75% after 3.
Dustforce / Dust / tons of cool other indie still weren't in bundles.
It's worth buying games you want to play - that's all.
I bought lots of games before they were in bundles and I never regret it.
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I buy a ton of indie games so there is never anything good for me in bundles.
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I knew Brothers would go on sale this christmas, ive made sure to buy at 'full price'(the real one; you know, prices for indies are inflated already counting future discounts) before it went daily so i wouldn't be tempted to buy it on the cheap.
It all depends- there are well made indies that deserve our support, others im gladly waiting for their bundles. If more and more people waits for bundles their quality will only dimmish.
(By the way, do yourselves and PC a favor and buy The Banner Saga before 75% sale or bundle. They will only continue with proper return and it have huge potential as a franchise- otherwise we won't see anymore of it or with luck an crappy mobile version instead)
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If I see a game (or games) in a bundle that I've been wanting to play I'll adjust my payment towards each developer accordingly. So I usually end up "paying" under $5 for the game/games I wanted and less for the ones I didn't.
I used to feel kind of bad for thinking "I'll wait until it's in a bundle," but I've limited myself to only buying games I want that are on sale for under $5 anyway and the other games I likely wouldn't have ever bought in the first place (or already own) so I don't feel too bad about that. It's a little different when it's a single developer with a collection of titles though but I try to be fair.
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That's the only thing holding me back from buying Dust: An Elysian Tail.
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Great Scott! I MUST know where to find this game at such a shockingly superb bargain.
Where?
WHERE!?!
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Not everyone has the money to just buy everything they want on a whim.
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you shouldn't buy game dev tycoon because it's a wholesale ripoff of game dev story
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I doubt it, kairosoft games are very popular. As for GDT, it is a ripoff, but it is also a great improvement over game dev story.
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Your logic is flawed, you didn't buy Game Dev Tycoon because you weren't interested enough to play it right now. And once it's bundled, you might still not be interested enough to play it but you'll still get the credit card out because the discount will seem like "too good to not buy".
If were really interested in a game and wanted to play it, you probably wouldn't delay the purchase for 2-12 months for the chance that it might cost 1$ instead of 4$. At that point you might as well a pirate version if you're so short on money that waiting a year for a 3$ discount sounds like a good decision.
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His logic isn't flawed. I wanted Skyrim since it came out, but I just bought it around Christmas. Why? Because I like saving money. That in itself is a reward for me. There are people who want stuff but also want to wait for sales, and those who want stuff and get that stuff instantly. Most people who disagree with his logic simply fall in the latter. Nothing wrong with buying something when it first comes out. Some people just rather wait for prices to go down. I wait for prices to go down on almost everything. I can't remember the last time I paid full price for a game, yet I am interested in a lot of them.
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I'm going to stop buying food at full price or less than 75% discount! I mean, the food will probably end up at the bargain bin when close to the "best before date" or massive discount! That must be super good for the farmers and everyone else in the food industry and for the environment !
I know that it's a somewhat silly comparison, but still. If people would really stop buying indie games at normal price, then expect the number of indie-developers to go out of business and/or the quality of them to decline.
Some devs have even voices concerns about participating in bundles due to the low averages that many of them suffer from. So if that trend continues then expect even more reruns and "end of line" types of games in bundles.
Personally I like to support the devs I like with my money by buying the games I'm interested in, so that they can hopefully make a new even more awesome game! If that happens to be a bundle, then I just chip in what I think the games is worth, not as little as I can.
Same goes with the food companies that offers organic food (and so on). I rather support them instead of getting the cheapest food on the market, cause that will probably make the food indutry (and the planet) a bit more healthy in the long run. Same can be said about the gaming industry, and that is a industry in much need of change.
And no, I'm not tich. I'm a student, living on student allowance and a part time job.
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And here's from more recent event - >Puppygames dev
The averages (in general) have declined since 2012.
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Very good read. Ill have to save that page. And now I want to play my copy of Dustforce.. which I got during HiB.
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I don't like this mindset, it's pretty dumb.
Why does this only apply to indie games? Other digital store distributors do have non-indies bundled and heavily discounted.
Not only that, all games, indie games especially, need those first few week of sales. Not every indie developer wants their game to be in a bundle believe it or not, some use that as their last resort because of people with this mindset. If everyone had this mindset there'd be no indie market at al;
I like buying things a cheap price too, but this is just silly.
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Its not dumb its just other people put an importance on non essentials differently than you. Some people possibly thinking it is dumb the way you buy games. People will buy differently. None is dumb. Each sale puts money towards developers no matter where or how it was bought.
Indie developers need to make a good game to make their money not rely on this kind of stupid "support the developers" nonsense. Make a good game people want to play and you will make money. Basic business. I wish i was sat at a computer all day earning money for what i love to do and CHOOSE to do. Fez, Braid, Papers Please etc and many more prove the fact that make the right game and you win. With so many indie games out there and 70% trash it just gets harder to sift through the rubbish.
The mindset is obviously set on indie because they appear in $1 bundles so fast. AAA games can't be compared because although they may recieve a little discount it will be a long time before they hit a $1 bundle ;)
As a matter of interest have you payed premiums to indie actors, writers, directors, musicians etc regularly ignoring the fact a few weeks/months later everybody gets it at a ridiculously cheap price ? Amazes me how only in the games industry do you have people wanting others to pay the highest possible for what is usually a pretty mediocre experience and to pay people a pretty nice wage for what they choose and love to do. Think of the millions working most days for a pretty paltry wage (struggling with essentials like food or housing) doing something they hate.
There will always be an indie market. Just like there will always be struggling actors, writers etc. A few make it through because they were good enough, had the right oppurtunities, hit it at the right time etc. Just like any other profession. If somebody really wants it that bad, they love it so much then they will try. Indie market going away is a myth ;)
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"Indie developers need to make a good game to make their money not rely on this kind of stupid "support the developers" nonsense."
Wait so supporting the developers is stupid? What?
" Make a good game people want to play and you will make money. Basic business."
There are plenty of good game developers that went down due to term of sales, but it really depends on what you consider "good".
" Fez, Braid, Papers Please etc and many more prove the fact that make the right game and you win. With so many indie games out there and 70% trash it just gets harder to sift through the rubbish."
You're completely ignoring the fact that these games wouldn't have been popular if everyone waited for them to be in bundles. I have no idea why you're bringing quality into this, that's not what the discussion is about at all, but "thrash" is subjective because it's your opinion.
"The mindset is obviously set on indie because they appear in $1 bundles so fast."
Yes, I know that. That's what this topic is about. Not only that, but you're wrong, not all bundles go low as $1.
"AAA games can't be compared because although they may recieve a little discount it will be a long time before they hit a $1 bundle ;)"
Yes, they can, you're ignoring the fact that not all bundles have a $1 dollar tier, and I'll quote this from the original post " I could get them cheaper". AAA games do go cheaper and should be included, and on steam get big discounts.
"As a matter of interest have you payed premiums to indie actors, writers, directors, musicians etc regularly ignoring the fact a few weeks/months later everybody gets it at a ridiculously cheap price ?"
And again it seems like you are repeating yourself.
"Amazes me how only in the games industry do you have people wanting others to pay the highest possible for what is usually a pretty mediocre experience"
Citation needed.
Don't bring your opinions and present them as facts.
It seems you only read the first line of my comment.
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Indie developers need to make a good game to make their money not rely on this kind of stupid "support the developers" nonsense."
Wait so supporting the developers is stupid? What?
No supporting them is not if that is what you choose to do. I have no problem like i said with anybody buying games in any form. What i dont like is the preachers that want others to do the same.
" Make a good game people want to play and you will make money. Basic business."
There are plenty of good game developers that went down due to term of sales, but it really depends on what you consider "good".
It does depend on if you think a game is good. Granted. What you need is a game where the vast majority think it is good and worth the money you are charging.
" Fez, Braid, Papers Please etc and many more prove the fact that make the right game and you win. With so many indie games out there and 70% trash it just gets harder to sift through the rubbish."
You're completely ignoring the fact that these games wouldn't have been popular if everyone waited for them to be in bundles. I have no idea why you're bringing quality into this, that's not what the discussion is about at all, but "thrash" is subjective because it's your opinion.
If its a discussion of handing money over for a product then yes of course quality is involved in that discussion. Trash is relative but i think many would agree on around a 70/30 ratio.
"The mindset is obviously set on indie because they appear in $1 bundles so fast."
Yes, I know that. That's what this topic is about. Not only that, but you're wrong, not all bundles go low as $1.
Granted not all bundles go as low as $1. Around $6 being the highest.
"AAA games can't be compared because although they may recieve a little discount it will be a long time before they hit a $1 bundle ;)"
Yes, they can, you're ignoring the fact that not all bundles have a $1 dollar tier, and I'll quote this from the original post " I could get them cheaper". AAA games do go cheaper and should be included, and on steam get big discounts.
No they can't. Even at the highest $6 tier (Which includes many games) so working out still around $1 a game if not less. A 75% off on sale for a brand new game works out at around £8.74. The decline, time scale and end price are not comparable.
"As a matter of interest have you payed premiums to indie actors, writers, directors, musicians etc regularly ignoring the fact a few weeks/months later everybody gets it at a ridiculously cheap price ?"
And again it seems like you are repeating yourself.
I am guessing the answer is no then and you have no response ?
"Amazes me how only in the games industry do you have people wanting others to pay the highest possible for what is usually a pretty mediocre experience"
Citation needed.
Don't bring your opinions and present them as facts.
If you want to fool yourself over the overall quality of indie gaming then fine ignore the mediocre experience part. The rest still applies :)
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But at the same time, i got Reus full price, then some few days later, they bundle it.
Got stealth bastard full price, then, some weeks later, they bundle it.
Got alien shooter 2 full price (who would think they will bundle it, its 5-7 years old), then they bundle it.
Got Hotline Miami full prize, hope they dont bundle it, but they will.
So yeah, my mindset is Dont buy full price since they will be bundled.
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So you are saying if a lot of people buy full price then it wont appear in a bundle ? You think after the supply of money coming from full price at launch dips and an opportunity to go in a bundle and raise extra cash rises they will say no ? Think about what your saying. Even games that a lot have paid full price for have hit bundles. Batmans, Arma , Dead Space, Mass Effect, Gmod, the list goes on. Don't be so naive to think otherwise. Most money earned from bundles is money the dev would never have got anyway with a large amount either not hearing about the game or just not that interested in it at full price but think what the hell when its in a bundle. Then you have the games repeated in lots of bundles. Getting that extra money from the same people because they get the bundle wanting a game they dont have. Or Steam collectors just upping their game count. ;)
People are buying games. Lots of them. If like you say "Nobody buys it full price" then that is from other reasons. Either the person isnt confident the game is going to be good, they don't know enough about it, they dont think its worth the money over whatever purchases they are making or plenty of other reasons.
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Not, i mean lots of people dont want to buy full price because they feel ripped off if that game appears in a bundle just a couple of days after (Specially if the game is not as good as advertised).
I mean, i dont really know why you worry too much about it. Its actually very simple, its a market, and you either sell or go out of business.
To achieve sells, you have to make a quality game, if you deliver, people will buy, most likely. Ill happen here and there that despite making a good game people wont pay for it, but this happens everywhere, good movies that dont make what they invested, even canceled tv shows (remember firefly?), great music bands, but its part of the business.
Having said that, there is a lot of money in the gaming industry, but indie devs think that making one game will make them millionaires (Hence the quantity of available games x month, and unfortunately,the quality of most), its not like that, most Hollywood movies break even in profits, just a few make it trough, its the same here, a few indie developers will grow into a bigger company, some others will BE absorbed by a bigger company, some will stay the way they are, most of them will disappear.
They have to do what they have to do (bundle them)to survive, but you cant save them all, in a capitalist society, thats simply impossible.
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Sorry Alientcp it was a reply to MeatShake. I had no problem with your comment. Everything you just said i pretty much said a bit earlier in the thread :)
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That's because they're not being thrifty, they're being avaricious.
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I had to google that word. It means greedy. How is wanting to save money being greedy? Especially, if experience has shown that the item you are about to buy goes down in price time and time again? It's like you are saying being smart with your money is a vice.
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It is the fixation on money that is the vice. To cut the long story short, people with the mindset of the topic starter want to purchase games not because they want to play them, but because they are cheap. Meanwhile what they don't realize is that they are biting the hand that feeds them.
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I see your point, but I find it odd that you seem to think that you know what is going through someones head. I have a similar mindset as OP, and I actually want to play games not just let them sit in my library. People shouldn't assume they know what people think just because they don't like someone elses view point. I want to play the game, but I don't want to spend a lot of money buying it. That's not a vice, unless it becomes a problem.
As far as biting the hand that feeds them, I can't argue with that. However, there are enough people, like yourself, willing to pay full price for stuff when it comes out. Which I obviously have no problem with. All I am saying is that someone spending their money wisely is hardly something to look down on. Everyone knows money makes the world go around.
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"To cut the long story short, people with the mindset of the topic starter want to purchase games not because they want to play them, but because they are cheap. Meanwhile what they don't realize is that they are biting the hand that feeds them."
If that was the case how would they be biting the hand that feeds them. If they just want games cheap, paying full price would literally be biting their own hand ? By your own logic they don't want the games to play so would never be buying at full price anyway. At least this way the developer is getting a sale they would never have had ?
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They want games. But not some particular games, any games as long as they are cheap.
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Yeah which would mean no matter what they will not be buying at full price. Full price isn't cheap. Plenty of Free, Free 2 Play, Sales to buy from. At least with bundles they are getting money from people that they would never have got money from in the first place. I mean just this week Tomb Raiders, Hitman and Thief games all around £1. Why would they buy an indie at £6.99, some indies getting ever greedier with prices up to £20 ?
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Cool, I bought it and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. You just wait if you think it's worth it.
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The bundles need to go away precisely because of this. As a customer I feel ripped off when a game is made so cheap after I buy it for a high price. However instead of not buying I ask the devs of a game if they can honestly guarantee me that their game will not be included in a bundle in at least a year after premiere. Some of them don't reply, but some do and those that promised me no bundles (and they did keep that promise as it turned out) got my money for their games.
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Maybe the full price needs to go away ? I feel ripped off when i have to wait so long for a bundle. In all seriousness you could wait too and get it cheap. You are saying because you decide to buy at a certain price then everyone else should be forced to ?
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I try to avoid buying indie games because I believe they will eventually be bundled thus I could get them cheaper + included with other games.
You can kind of tell which games will end up in a bundle, especially with Humble Bundle
For example, I didn't purchase "Game Dev Tycoon" because it will most likely end up in a Humble Bundle
Am I the only one that thinks like this?
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