I'm reserving my final opinion on this until I've seen how it works in practice, and have adapted my strategy to suit it (I think maybe I'll spend most of my points but keep about 100P to hand for flash giveaways).
I do seem to have less of an obsession already to come and spend all my points while I have them, and it's comforting to know that I can come back tomorrow and not miss out on points above my cap I "didn't get to spend" (and being able to save up 500 points for a long train, for example, is nice).
On the other hand, the extra points to spend when there were more giveaways made sense (and as various people have already commented, riding the peaks was kinda fun!), and I don't think it did any harm to allow those who were prepared to visit more frequently to make use of all the points (it was kind of a reward, getting more out if you could put more effort in). Sure, the statistics say that with a reduced points budget your chances of a win overall remain the same, but only if you're spending all your points, and actually being able to spend more points than casual visitors did give an advantage (the controversy seems to be about whether that advantage is considered "fair").
Some folks do seem to care more about the chance to enter and lose more giveaways than to actually have the chance to win them, though! (They should read cg's earlier rationale posting.)
Change takes some getting used to, and some people will complain either way... There are pros and cons, and I'm sure if there need to be further tweaks, cg will make them once he's analysed the data and seen the feedback.
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(I think maybe I'll spend most of my points but keep about 100P to hand for flash giveaways).
that is my plan, too. I don't know why it seems like the most logic step
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"Some folks do seem to care more about the chance to enter and lose more giveaways than to actually have the chance to win them, though! (They should read cg's earlier rationale posting.)"
Yes you're right if you participate public giveaways. But you will get less odds to win giveaways if you participate in closed giveaways and giveaways from whitelist because you don't have enough points to enter them. I am talking about a lot of groups and a lot of whitelists. So, with the new point system you will get less odds to win those type of giveaways.
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i think for me the new system is an overall win thanks to the new 500 points limit.
i've had enough points to enter everything i wanted for the last 4 or 5 months. only exception was the usual humble monthly flood at the beginning of each month.
i was a little lowish on points yesterday, now i am at 360 points and i placed all the entries i wanted (54 active entries now).
however i only enter for the games i actually want to play (like intended) and not enter everything just to get +1 on steam.
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After a couple days of this system the worst part about all this isn't the lack of points, it's the sudden surge of elitism and people making assumptions.... The community is being torn apart over this silly change
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is just me that always have 500 points in the end of the day while still entering a bunch of giveaways? I mean i go to work comeback and have a lot of points to spare
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in the last couple of days SG is not giving enough points, before I went to sleep and in the morning had 300 points and now I only have 140-160 points ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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People will not like change, ride it out for a month and see then. In my opinion one of the best changes in years but we'll see after some time.
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"People should also not need to wake up in the middle of the night to avoid hitting the point cap"
That's funny because I've never done it before - didn't really care whether or not I was hitting the point cap as long as I could participate in all the GAs I was interested in (basically the ones in my wishlist). But now I kinda have to? While before I'd just enter all the GAs I could before going to sleep, now I see so many I can't enter because I don't have the points, and that will end before morning comes and so my only chance to catch up is to actually check during the night, hoping I'll have enough points. It's frustrating to watch so many GAs pass me by because I can't enter them. More frustrating than losing to me, really. So I find it funny that it was to prevent people from putting too much time into this: never before did I have to check during my pauses at work but now I do. Eh.
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yep, a simple autojoin feature would be a nice addition now... like an entry reservation (program like: 'as soon as the acc has enough points & the GA is not over - enter this GA')
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They recently just started banning people using autojoin scripts lol
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This past weekend, I was aware of the changes in the points system.
Honestly, I did not notice any change in the amount of people participating in the most varied giveaways.
It continues practically the same thing as before, the only difference is that now the points upload with the speed of a wagon.
In a while, will be more easy miner bitcoin rather than wait for the SG points regenerates............... oh god, why???
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https://www.steamgifts.com/about/faq - read the "What are levels, and how can I increase my level" topic. TLDR, give games away to level up.
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I agree with this change.
In fact, I would say 5 points per 15 minutes instead of 5 minutes might even be a better one.
It'll ensure people have to choose what to join.
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The problem is all people choose the same game ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Yo he tenido que dejar pasar hoy, por no tener puntos (ni sorteos a los que dejar entrar porque de por sí no tenía ninguno): 2 Rise of the Tomb Raider, 3 One Piece Burning Blood y 1 Tales from the Borderlands (Y todos ellos con un 5% o 10% de probabilidad de ganarlos). Todos en mi wishlist y sin poder entrar en ninguno porque no tengo puntos. Para un Tomb Raider, solo uno, tengo que esperar 2h y media (sin entrar a nada) para un One Piece otras 2 horas y media. Para el Tales of Borderlands 1h y cuarto. Y repito, sin entrar a nada. El cambio de puntos me pilló con 6P en mi cuenta. En toda una noche entera solo ahorro 150 puntos (como mucho). Y con esos 150 solo podría entrar a 3 juegos de 50. Y me pondría a cero de nuevo, y a subir 5P a 5P cada 15 minutos. Es absurdo. Y esto contando solo juegos de la wishlist. De juegos normalitos olvídate, y estoy notando esto, y mucho, en los sorteos que estoy haciendo, no me está entrando ni la tercera parte de lo que entraba antes. Y muchos a 0 participantes, y más de 5 ni hablemos.
En fin, que este cambio ha favorecido mucho a la gente que apenas entraba ya que entran, gastan 500P y no entran hasta el día siguiente. Y los que estamos activos bastante, entre los que me incluyo, este cambio nos ha fastidiado lo más grande.
Que alguien que apenas se pase por la web tenga más probabilidad de que le toque algo, que a mi que soy activo... no le veo el menor sentido. Casi todos los que están a favor del cambio son casualmente gente de poco nivel y gente que apenas se pasaba. Y los que nos quejamos somos los activos.
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Acerca de los que están a favor, eso también lo note, en su mayoría es gente muy poco activa, había uno con 4 años en el sitio, nivel 9 o 10, y había entrado a unos 15000 sorteos :/ Lo cual tiene lógica, si entra solo sorteos de nivel 9 o 10 y dada la cantidad de sorteos que se generan en esos niveles, pues... no le afecta nada el cambio. :/
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Exacto. Yo llevo aquí mucho tiempo, pero activo realmente desde el 20 de febrero de 2016. Y en 1 año y 8 meses he entrado en casi 46.000 sorteos. Haciendo una media, me sale a 75 sorteos en los que entraba cada día. Hoy solo he entrado a 7. Y tengo 23 puntos y 0 sorteos activos. ¿En qué me beneficia a mi esto? Sigo entrando a los juegos que yo quiero, pero 10 veces menos en cantidad. Sin embargo llega alguien por la mañana, suelta sus 500 puntos y hasta el día siguiente. Y nosotros los activos... ¿qué? ¿Es lógico dar ventaja a esa gente, que a nosotros que somos los que estamos a piñón fijo con la página? Ojalá cambie este sistema de puntos, porque es ilógico para mi.
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No termino de entender eso que comentais de que ahora la gente que entra poco a la pagina tiene ventaja en las rifas, o que tiene mas probabilidad de que le toque algo. Todos tenemos los mismos puntos, y podemos utilizarlos de una vez, o poco a poco.
Mas bien diria que es al reves: la gente que utiliza/utilizaba la pagina constantemente conseguia una ventaja utilizando los puntos que crecian por numero de rifas creadas, al tener siempre los puntos en rifas, y nunca tener la cartera de puntos llena. Lamentablemente, esa ventaja ha terminado, y la raz'on que han dado son los auto-joiners
Desde mi punto de vista, la ventaja para el usuario habitual, va a ser elegir mejor en que rifas entra, mover puntos entre rifas, y cazar las rifas de 1 hora... en vez de poder entrar en la mayor cantidad de rifas. Sin duda cambia la pagina por completo
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No lo tengo muy claro. En esta pagina compites con la comunidad en las rifas, asi que lo que haga la comunidad va a ser clave.
En 24 horas, no he podido entrar practicamente en rifas, asi que creo que ganar juegos de 1p-5p se ha terminado, porque no tengo ese pico de puntos que usaba una vez tenia la wishlist cubierta.
Unica cosa que tengo clara, es que voy a tener la wishlist mas al dia, e ir solo a por wishlist, porque no hay mas puntos!
He sugerido que modifiquen el minimo de tiempo que puede durar una rifa, en funcion de los puntos que cuesta entrar. Creo que no tiene sentido tener una rifa de una hora para un juego de 50p. Antes lo tenia, pq podias tener esos puntos de repente, pero ahora, se convierte en pura suerte ya no solo ganar, sino poder entrar en la rifa, o andarte quitando puntos de otras....
Que te parece el tiempo de las rifas?
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Totalmente de acuerdo. Es absurdo que pueda durar una rifa de 50P tan solo una hora cuando para conseguir 50P necesitas 2h y media (sin entrar en ada durante ese tiempo).
Yo también he restringido mis participaciones a la wishlist, pero es que ni aun así, porque los juegos que tengo ahí casi todos son de 20P hacia arriba, y no me da tiempo a recolectar los puntos. Como dije, tan solo hoy, dejé pasar 2 Rise of the Tomb Raider, 3 One Piece Burning Blood y 1 Tales from the Borderlands (este último tenía solo 8 participaciones dado que es de un grupo muy exclusivo).
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si es que... son 500P, pero son muy lentos. O dan puntos mas rapido, o que obliguen a hacer las rifas mas largas. salud
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Yo hasta sugerí que a esos 5 puntos base que dan cada 15 minutos se les añadiera X puntos extra por el nivel de Steamgifts de cada usuario. Fomentando así la creación de rifas para poder obtener más puntos cada 15 minutos, pero el administrador tiró mi sugerencia. Así que bueno, solo queda esperar a que la cosa funcione o no (dentro de un mes se verá) y ya según decidan si seguir así o no.
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Ahora que lo dices, es cierto que entrando en rifas caras basicamente te quedas fuera para todo el dia.Todo esto ha perdido mucho atractivo. Suerte, y a ver si las probabilidades mejoran
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Totalmente, por eso lo digo. Es que llevo un par de días dejando pasar cada rifa... que da rabia. Y eso que soy nivel 7 y estoy en grupos exclusivos, no quiero imaginar a los de nivel 0.
Gracias, y suerte a ti también, y ojalá que cambien algo respecto a esto, porque ahora mismo está demasiado estricto...
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Yo estoy en el 3 y bueno, no me quejo: gano algo de vez en cuando. El 0 debe ser una jungla de bots espantosa jaja. cuidate
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uufff
i prefer old sistem, i come to page 3 times at day and usually i get 300 points between any visit to the page, now i only get 130 to 160 points, i feel sad T.T
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Can't even join all Rise of the Tomb Raider gibs after skipping whole night+daywork time.
Also I guess this won't help against bots/autojoiners as it's not hard to make them investing free points into crappy week-long GAs when user is away or close to point cap, then rejoin/reinvest good GAs later.
It's just a matter of time to implement this.
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You also can not enter in crappy GAs and store your points.
But you feel that Rise of the Tomb Raider is nice enough to invest all your points into it. Someone might not want to win this game, so they store few points when Deus Ex: Mankind Divided or Dark Souls 3 GAs will be made. What's wrong with it?
Otherwise they'd have to enter in games they don't want just to not waste points.
Right now everyone have the same amount of points - previously it was impossible to spend them all when you could hit 300p after 2 - 3h, so one user could use 600p after visiting site twice, when other could use bot to use 2400 points. They could either bank them in long GAs or spend to enter into every single game with cards. And they used 2nd option, as there was enough points to allow this.
People who care only about +1 or cards (so people who used bots so far) won't enter in AAA games or store their points in long-term GAs, as it's not profitable. It's better to enter in 1-hour GAs with low number of entries.
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People who care only about +1 or cards (so people who used bots so far)
that is an unfair generalization. it sounds like every collector uses bots. i am a collector and i care about +1, but i never used bots. and i assume most collectors wouldn't use bots, because they usually have a pretty high value account and wouldn't want to risk a perma-ban here. also, they usually have most games anyway and don't have as much of a need for bots. at least that's how i imagine it must be.
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Yeah, I do agree with you. I just didn't want to divide this post even further into sub-categoeirs. To make it more muddy.
When you have a lot of games on steam already, and quite a lot won then you don't have many GAs to enter in first place. So entering for +1 is a bit easier by hand. It was more about people who have small libraries and few dozens of pages of GAs to enter in. So entering in everything, calculating their chances and micro-manage points would be pain in the ass. Hence they use bots (again, they don't have to. But many do).
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btw, do we actually have any data about how many people use bots? would love to see something like this. did cg ever post any bot stats?
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Nope.
There is one group I know of that is for people who use bots (2,6k members). But not everyone in it needs to use them, and not everyone that use this particular auto-join script is in that group. There is extension for chrome with 19k users. But again, people may use it to be able to enter in GAs directly from main page, not necessarily use entering in the background when they are away.
It's possible that CG will post some stats after first wave of bans will be applied.
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It's possible that CG will post some stats after first wave of bans will be applied.
that would be greatly appreciated. if we are asked to state our opinion on these issues, it would certainly help if we knew how big the problem actually is.
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I missed a bit that its 5pt per 15min (or 480pt for 24hr) with a 20pt bank (500pt cap).
Users are pretty even within a day duration with a start of zero points and banking is still possible by bots or more active users (than me who visit SG for an hour in working days), but it's not much rewarding.
So, I guess we should give a try to this system, it just needs some time to end old GAs and even users.
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on the site most people are against the new - all suffer from the new rules!
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The new system seems to give pleasure to those who spend less often on the site and punished those who often passed. Considering that now I have free time, I go on other sites and starts to invest elsewhere since I take much less pleasure here.
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All of us - What happened to you, man?? Used to be cool...
SteamGifts - I'm still cool!!
All of us - Nah, you've changed man...
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so far i would say i like this system. but there is a lot of criticism right now. i would suggest we let it sink it, try to get used to it and maybe in a few weeks or a month we can do a poll to see what people think about it then.
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There is one thing I don't like.
Previously I didn't feel how much time I spend here reading discussions. And now I enter in some GAs, see that I have like 400p, look at point number again and see 450. Which means that I spent 2,5h mostly browsing this site >_>
:D
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Hi SG,
After the recent discussion, updates to the point system are now live. They are as follows:
I think these adjustments will provide a number of improvements for the site. However, I'll keep an eye on user feedback, and try to make sure the changes are working as intended and meeting the needs of the community.
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