Are MMOs still relevant?
+1 for SWTOR, but only from time to time.
Guild Wars 2 has a pretty fun gameplay as well.
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+1, I plan to go back when I'll have some free time ♥ And I still didn't play KotFE :(
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I ceased playing that not long after it went FTP. They screwed my near perfect Jug Tank up and I thought screw you. I was 0.02% off perfect after spending CR1000's swapping mods around.
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That's nothing to do with FTP. Whenever a new tier comes out you can start collecting your gear again anyway.
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Actually it was - if you recall, it went free to play not long after Hutt expansion - I spent hours doing the raids and the instances, reverse engineering the new gear mods etc and finally got to near perfect.
Free to Play'ers were getting around the subscription and gear limitations via the marketplace because for some reason the mods that most tanks used (Jugg tanks - not Assassin or Bounty hunter tanks) were not on the 'need to be a subscriber' list and could be inserted into the orange tier gear that was cosmetic (Available to everyone). On top of that some of the newer gear allowed jug tanks only - to get to almost 50% Evade, 25% block, 25% Parry - so instead of redoing the mod permissions etc they completely nerfed the jug lowering the diminishing return values, making it almost impossible to get above 80% total damage reduction.
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I played that one, while I was in Middle School, that's definitely a source for nostalgia! :D
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Yeap, still playing some of them.
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How's Vindictus EU holding up? I quitted a year ago because imo it was pretty dead. Did it got more lively now?
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Well, I haven't really played in months. Just checking my account & characters, but there is still plenty of updates & players atm.
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How's the bot situation on BnS? It's the reason I quit the game after 3 months despite spending 70 USD on it during launch week (A bit of buyer's remorse here and I will never spend money on a NCSoft MMO again)
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Unfortunately there is nothing new about the bots. I have spent more than 200€ during first month, so yea. I know what you feel.
There is hella of updates, weapon/gear enchanting and gold is much cheaper atm.
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Massively Multiplayer Online game, What the hell would you call world of tanks then?
A massively Simultaneously on the same server Solo game?
Edit: A MOTSSSS? That's a confusing ass acronym and makes no sense. but gave me a damn chuckle
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I'm actually hosting a giveaway for an addon for this game right now, feel free to join if you like: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/QstvI/the-lord-of-the-rings-online-steely-dawn-starter-pack
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I played Rift a lot when it was still with subscription.
I met nice people and i was part of a nice guild.
Sometimes, i miss these raid :)
But now, i don't have as much time to play this kind of game.
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Used to : Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2 , TSW , Firefall and some others... but at the end they are just time consuming and you can finish several games by the time you achiev something in a MMO.
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MMORPGs are still the most cost-efficient games you can play if you have a ton of free time to devote to them. That's not even taking into account all the F2P ones. If I really took up playing any MMORPG seriously paying $15 monthly is cheaper than $50 or so I spend on games, usually more.
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I used to play Naruto Online but recently stopped when I finally got my favorite characters
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I've played World of Warcraft ever since its launch but I've had a long break after Warlords of Draenor expansion. With the upcoming Legion on August 30th I'll get back to it.
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Which none of them is.
DOTA 2 has 10 people per server/game. So does CS in some game modes.
Heartstone is a 1v1 online TCG...
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hm, okay, won't argue with you =p
I will still think as I think =d
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That doesn't mean you're right tho.
Facts are facts.
You can even check wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game#Sports
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DOTA 2 is a MOBA, CS:GO is an FPS (an MMO FPS is a game like Planetside 2) and Heartstone is a TCG.
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Hi, Fnord!
You're absolutely right, so MMO means many players,more than 10 on one place?
So if I play WoW and raid a boss with 8 of my friends, WoW isn't MMO because this location(same as dota,cs map) has not so many players,right?
Ah, nevermind I'm too train now, had to burn some hours...
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The 8-man instance in WOW would then be an instance within the MMO. You've still got the overworld map where all the players can mingle and annoy each other. If CS:GO had an overworld map (rather than a server selection screen) where you could run around with all the other players, then it would be an MMO-FPS.
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Thank you, now I have +1 to "what to call MMO" stats,I hope it's permanent =d
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i kinda agree here, the mmo tag gets tossed around easily when it should not..
i was debating with myself over ARK, it has mmo tag when i feel it should not.. yes, it is massively played, but its servers are limited to how many players per server... even though its upto 64players, imo that doesnt make it a MMO.. it is a massively played multiplayer online game(MPMO), but not the same thing imo...
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So i somehow stumble upon your comment ...
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Thanks for directing my attention to the madness in this thread! :D
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Haha you;re welcome :D
I was looking for a MMO to play so i came to your thread for suggestions ...
Couldnt reasist that comedy gold .
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it's just a rant about how one aspect of wow isn't so much MMO. that one aspect of the game doesn't inherently make the entire game a non-mmo though. but it does bring up a valid argument about many other games claiming they are mmo when they are instead just a regular multiplayer game improperly tagged as an mmo.
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Used to play them a lot, now I barely do.
My most recent MMO: Riders of Icarus.
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I've always been interested in playing MMOs but I never manage to keep playing them. From way back with Ultima Online, I can play MMOs for a maximum of 3 months before I lose interest and quit them. I think Planetside and Planetside 2 are the only 2 game I played for more than 3 months (I think 10 and 6 months respectively)
I get tired of the grinding and time you need to invest in them to get to the end game content which usually ends up being disappointing. Also, I travel a lot due to my work, so I have to face the issue with IP block and other shenanigans that annoy me. For example, I'm in the Middle East right now and I can't play Riders of Icarus because they have IP blocked the region for some asinine reason.
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For the last year I've been playing Elder Scrolls Online with my wife. We still play every weekend, and have a ton of fun doing it =) It's more like singleplayer Elder Scrolls than traditional MMOs.
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Is it worth it? I've been considering to get it for console
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Well, it's really well made, it has decent quests and memorable characters (Razum-Dar is hella cute :D), locations are beautiful (you'll often catch yourself looking from the tops of the hills and saying wow).
The thing I like the most is that MMO features aren't force-fed to you. you can play ESO either as a single-player game, or true MMO with raids and group dungeons (man, they're really hard to do alone :D).
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Sound interesting, I would like to as a single player first before moving to MMO stuff if I like it, not sure if I'll be able to enjoy with 300+ ping because there's no SEA server or closest enough to it.
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Yeah, ESO only has two servers - EU and US. But I think it might work for you after all - the combat is not that fast, you should be able to block, dodge and use abilities. My ping is usually 60 to 120, and it works really well - no stuttering or teleporting around when you move.
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+1 for ESO, I've been playing about a year and a half myself. I've grown to love it. I tried it in beta and it wasn't for me at the time, felt like "just another MMO". It has went through a lot of changes and polish and I consider it one of the best if not the best action MMORPGs out there to date, and I've tried just about everything.
I played WoW for 11 years off and on including an early beta. ESO is the only game that truly makes the urge to play WoW go away. I still browse MMO-champion from time to time but as far as the urge to play it has pretty much vanished.
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+2.. tried several as well, and though i did enjoy others as well, this is the only one i can still recommend.
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I used to play LOTRO, and Guild Wars. Now I'm playing Neverwinter. I don't know how long I'll stick with it; I like the idea of them, but in real life I rarely have time to play in the long term, and because of that I don't get close with fellow players.
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Man, I really liked LOTRO. Kind of felt bummed by Mines of Moria though; the legendary weapon system just sucked with random stats and almost every mob dropping 3rd to 1st age weapons / items. I could have lived with that BUT when the game servers were shut in EU, and the game became free to play, I lost all my interest. Especially the damn ingame shop and popups just made the whole game repulsive.
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I was a fairly early F2P player - never played it before then. When I joined a lot of people were angry at the F2P move. I enjoyed it a lot early on, in part because I've been a great fan of the books over the years. A lot of the design is clever and respectful. The community was (by and large) fairly quirky and kind. I joined a Kin that was supportive and had good events, but at some point I got very busy and that was the end of that. I doubt I could ever get my house out of arrears at this point. It was good fun, though.
I had the same problem in LOTRO that I have with Neverwinter, which is that I leveled way too fast - since I'm not racing to the endgame, and am enjoying playing the world instead, I always end up way over-level for where I'm playing. Oh well.
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MoM was really the only proper expansion LotRO received. Everything after that was kinda on "glorified content patch" side of things. It helps expansion had some the best underground zones ever put into MMORPGs. Speaking of servers now all of them are now hosted in New Jersey, I think? Transferring servers back to proper EU location was apparently cancelled, sadly.
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Oh, I thought that Rohan would have been proper expansion at least. I heard the mounted combat was kind of bummed but thought that there would have been more content otherwise still :( Yes, the underground zones were really great, as were the original zones in Shadows Angmar. The later added zone called Forochel was also really cool (oh the puns!), the familiar names could be a small reason for this (yeah, the place really took inspiration from Finland ^^ Quite like the mobs called Rauta-Lehmä Warior etc).
I didn't really like the whole deal of moving EU servers to US. Yes, the ping wasn't really bad BUT there was still some laggy times and hiccups. Also playing with guys with so different timezones could be a problem (US vs Finland). The original game had great atmosphere, great graphics (the engine had some problems but it worked quite nicely), tradeskilling was fun and oh the music. I really loved the soundtrack!
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From my experience a lot of people saw Riders of Rohan kinda devalued because the main draw, war-steed system, was made available to everyone regardless of whether you had the expansions or not. But yes, it was step up from Siege of Mirkwood, for example. It also had an amazing soundtrack that introduced a new theme.
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I used to play some MMOs years ago, and I also did not get very close with other players. I think that is most likely where most of the fun might come from.
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My problem with Neverwinter is that it's really just an action MMORPG with a flimsy D&D skin on top of it. I really found it lacking compared to Dungeons & Dragons Online.
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I think you're pretty on the mark on that score, but it's the sort of game I like to play at times. They are pretty brazen about driving people toward the cash store, but someone has to pay for the thing, I guess. Do you recommend DDO? I've always been tempted.
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If you have a group of friends who will play it with you and take your time going through story as intended. Keep in mind that, for the most part, quests and dungeons are synonyms in DDO and each feels like a small adventure as your party goes through the intended module. It's kinda unique in that sense despite other games also utilizing lobby-based format aka you only see people in hubs, while adventure areas and quest zones are instanced for your party. Main "problem" with DDO is that you kinda need to know the D&D system to be good at it or put some effort towards understanding how it works - it's not the kind of MMORPG where you pick a class, get skills as you level up and maybe put some points in talents along the way.
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Quit WoW long ago, tried GW2 but I found it to be garbage, then went to Wildstar which has nothing much to offer at max lvl, so no, not really.
The MMO scene needs a big revamp asap because it's just the same shit recycled over and over again.
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In my country, a few MMOs which are parts of known game series are popular and widely played. They are Final Fantasy Online and such.
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Dont play this type of games, it's a waste of money and brain cells... Most people are paying 2 win and others are acting like it's not true and preach how great their game is...
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You know that far from all MMOs give you the ability to buy power, right? Games like Ultima Online, World of Warcraft, Guild wars 1 & 2, The Secret World, Elder Scrolls Online and so on, are not Pay 2 win. I think you have a very very skewed view of MMOs.
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There's website where you can buy gear for them aswell, so keep telling it to yourself. It's not hard to find em, some are directly in ebay...
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If he buys gear, he buys script = he doesnt need skill and there's loads of bots and scripts for nearly all MMO, especially WoW...
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I literally just said that people buy scripts and he goes talking about gear, AGAIN...
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The main idea of the MMORPG is the PVP not the material collecting, if you manage to get to the best ranks of your class then you win the MMORPG, for which most use scripts or other 3rdp arty software. End of story.
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OH REALLY? THen you win the game by having top stuff but unable to beat up a completly newb with no gear? Well that's osme winning... The idea of the MMO is competitave... Now they just added story to the new onces to make you feel like you win it without even having top gears... Get real. Why would it be online hte first place if not the PvP? Why implant pvp if the PVP aint hte main goal?
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Y R U SO MAD OVER A GAME?
And I got over 10 years MMOing so yeah
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and im just trying to make MMO fanboys to quit nagging me how great MMOs when I know they are bad and I answered the OPs question with my own personal opinion. Instead I got you and 2-3 more that argue with me and now blacklist me, because they cant accept the opinion of a person in the other end of the world.
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It's called arrogant and stubborn and leave me alone already. You cant say im wrong when it's a fact that MMOs got the biggest ammount of bots and scripters and ebay gear, which supports my claim that it's true all i said. LEAVE ME ALONE! -.-"
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I know many, many MMO players who don't give a shit about PvP, but have other interests in the game they are playing. I am one of them. In fact I actively avoid any PvP situation.
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Just curious about your opinion: How would a script help you though a raid with bosses with a certain amount of rng in their attacks as well as random co-players?
Or are you stating that they're parsing the screen input within milliseconds to go through different tactics/move contained in the script?
I don't quite see how this is winning either way but was curious.
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You havent played a NCSoft game have you? Try lineage 2, there's parties of scripted players who literally do everything by holding space and nothing more. Auto aim, auto dodge, auto cast, auto on everything.
GW and B&S are with less but they have enough too, they just havent figuredo ut how to add the lineage 2 advanced scripts to them.... When they do you'll enjoy a botland there too... Just saying... nothing much.
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Lineage 2 Was pay to play game while the scripting/botting and ebay begane, NCSoft west just saw they can get more ppl to do it if it goes F2P... That's all I can say about it. And yes, they do offer. Even MOBAS like Dota and LoL have them, even FPSs liek CS go it, you think that old engine new mmo wont have them? The difference isthat in mmo is more massive than the other type of gaems and it's harder to detect. IF the anti cheat didnt detect him as a bot or something and he just stands there doing the same action going ahead, not giving any human reaction. Amused ^^ Stop replying to me, I dont want to argue, but I just keep getting stuff which are obvious... If you are a fan of MMOs good for you, I personally like RPGs, loved MMos back in the days, but this constant cheating there totally kicked me back to singleplayer games and to MOBAs...
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How about the games where the gear cap is so low that you'll just save a handful of hours on buying it online, and where the progression is cosmetic? Or where the gear that matters comes from items you can't transfer between characters? (Like say some of the ones I mentioned above? The GW series used the fact that it's not reliant on grind to get gear as one of its selling points)
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Do you honestly plan to argue about this? I can do it for ages, I spent enough years playing MMos and I know the hell it is... You cant do jack about the unfair players and you just sit there and act like it's not happening, that aint fun... End of discussion.
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Alright, clear example:
Here you see the cost of different kinds of armor
Guess the statistical difference between those and the base armor that you'll be able to afford by the time you can buy it?
If you guessed 0, then you guessed right.
Also, if you intend to PvP the game gives you the best possible armor. You can just have bought the game, and you'll have equipment with max stats.
I've also played years playing MMOs, but apparently different MMOs than you.
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Why do I even bother with WOW fanboys... Just blacklist me and quit talking to me
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So instead of looking at the example i gave you of an MMO that is, by its very design, nor p2w you chose to insult me and claim that i'm a fanboy of an entirely different game? You're not a very mature person, are you?
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I'm mature enough to know it's pointless to argue with you when I already said an example to someone else in the same post you're talking to me :}
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And your first reaction when I gave you a clear example of a game that does not fit in with what you were, saying, a game where in PvP you're given the best possible gear which puts you on exactly equal terms in terms of gear as with everyone else, and where in PvM the only thing you can pay for is to look different with"prestige skins", was to insult me... I would say that that's a clear sign of you not being a very mature person.
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The voice in my head begs me to kill myself so the suffering could end... Stop replying to me, getting tired of it....
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Well, considering you stated insulting me, are plain old wrong and refuse to admit it despite the evidence being right in front of you (which I guess is why you chose to insult me rather than being willing to /gasp/ admit that there might be exceptions, as that would ruin your limited world view). Here's another reply. And a blacklist.
And if you would like to prove me wrong and get me to change my view, explain to me how a game that literally gives you the best possible equipment without you having to do anything is pay to win.
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I LITERALLLY DIDNT INSULT YOU EVEN ONCE
I am LITERALLLY begging you whole day to LEAVE ME ALONE...
I'm LITERALLY NOT PROVEN WRONG... You can go to EBAY and find ALL THE GEAR U WANT... Go click, buy, pay, get, use, be happy. Quit living in your imaginary world where it's all flowers and happiness and quit doing fake arguments which nobody wants to bother with and quit claiming I insulted anyway, I am literally LEGIT TIRED, of you. Black list all you want, if you want find and kill me, do whatever you want. JUSt LEAVE ME ALONE, THANK YOU.. Do you realize that I'm not in any mood to do pointless arguments with block heads who refuse to accept a simple leave me alone from 10 posts now.
I'm black listing you and, if there wasa report function I'd report you for cosntantly trying to cause a flame war.
Have a nice life and get of mine. THANK YOU
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Yes you did..
And let me break it down to you in a simple way
-Buying an item on ebay or buying gold or anything here would give you 0 advantage as the game gives you the best items in the game. You can literally not get better gear than the gear the game just gives you right out the gate.
You can go to EBAY and find ALL THE GEAR U WANT...
Yes, and it's not better than what the game just gives you So tell me, how can you get better gear by buying gear that is identical in terms of stats to that gear which the game just gives you right out the gate?
If the gear is not better then you're not paying to win, you're paying to get a different skin. There's a difference, but I wonder if you're astute enough to know that 60 armour is exactly the same thing as 60 armour even if the gear you bought on ebay looks flashier.
So tell me, in simple words, how something that is identical is better than another identical piece. Because I would really like to know.
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I did meet some people who are playing MMOs, but the past couple of years I never met anyone, playing them. Is this genre still relevant? If you are playing them, which ones do you like the most?
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