Thoughts on further point system changes

1. My feelings are slightly more positive to have an extra 96P per day. Imo, it would be fun if we got 1P per level. Level 0 begins at 1P and then increasing as you level up.
2. I like the 500 cap. Its nice that I didnt "have to" login during the day so I could just visit steamgifts when I got home from work.
3. I think 60-75 would be more reasonable concidering how few of those GAs we can enter per user.

Naah, 500P is amazing as it gets. Just stay with it.

1. Ok with it I think 5P are enough but getting 6P instead is not a drastic change
2. Agreed. The 500 cap is a bad too high and I don't go often under 400 in this case.
3. Users should think about what they want to enter. If they enter a giveaway which costs 100P the odds will be higher to win it.

Very nice idea... I’m pro support for this adjustment!

I feel like I'm watching LOST at this point.

Why not go back to the old system (Get points per giveway created) but reduced?
With the 50p cap we wouldn't have that many points in software bundles too, so it was all solved, if the problem is still autojoiners, they'll still be active, they'll just win less, like every user on the website... if 10% of the population is addicter to alcohol I wouldn't banish every bootle of wine, just saying that this doesn't seem to help against those scripters.. not sure what will but if the website can see if a user is spending points everytime he gets them or spend 300 points in a minute the system could flag that user

I don't think that any of those 3 changes really makes a difference. But I support 1+3, for what it's worth. Wouldn't mind 2 either, but I don't see any benefit in that change.

What I'd oppose though, is to introduce 2+3 together. And I'd rather want 3 than 2.

Previous change created situation, when gifts are distributed more uniformly between users who are online whole day and users able to be on SG e.g. only in the evenings, which was fair.

1, 2: So.. why regulars should win more than people who enter site not so frequently (e.g. once a day)? Winning more has no relation to creating more GA. Any daily-visiting users may just not have possibility to be online few times a day for any reasons. They already may miss a lot of GA compared to 'regulars' but it is fine; sometimes they have luck winning too. What is the idea of "taking" wins from them back to "regulars"? This is what this change means on average.

3: Thanks!

I'm ... not a fan of either changes (3's okay).
The major problem I had wasn't the AMOUNT of points, it's the distribution, fixed... I prefered the flexible original system, where there would be more when there's also more to spend (ie. Humble Bundle days).

Going backwards on the current amount seems contra-productive.

A community poll with a clear question and 2 equally clear yes and now answers would give at the very least an indication on how the point changes on SG are received. Because some people on SG are riding on your changes, CG and they claim that they are a majority. Claims that are based on imaginary rules and unsubstantiated with real SG data. There's diversity among the people who use your site, CG and so they are not all the same. If some on SG would have their way, SG would have less than a 1000 users and all the rest would be banned. ;-)

The new point changes makes that points are now at a premium and I would rather have seen that the 500p cap remains and that the 5p/hour is upped a little more. It would also be nice to have deleted points returned because not all deleted giveaways look like dud or fake giveaways when you enter them. It isn't a bad thing for SG that people are really active on giveaways and discussions. Isn't it?

Going more Spartan on the already existing, new point system is not the way to go. People who make (large) SG discussion events, trains and giveaway lists will be hard pressed to get entries as a lot of points go to group giveaways and higher chance giveaways.

The poll who you're referring too has 750 votes and it's 53%/47% ("relatively split" ?) while the last SG community poll had over 10K votes. Maximum points to enter a giveaway should stay at 50p knowing that points are now at a premium.

EDIT: The poll you linked is now at 51%/49% in favor for the maximum entry of 50 points.

I have a question that's been bothering me. I probably have it wrong, but I need to ask.
Isn't it really all these 1 cent games/ super mega dollar bundle shovelware that are actually flooding the system relentlessly and causing a lot of these problems?

There didn't used to be so many, but now they are everywhere and even Bundle Stars has jumped on the bandwagon - because there is a market for them. And the market seems to be right here.

As mentioned above, they are making it ridiculously easy to acquire giveaway slots. Additionally, they are destroying an already compromised CV merit system. Worst of all, they are attracting and feeding the bots and inflating the point system.

My question is, why disconnect users from their points rather than simply disconnecting these games from their points instead. They should have the status of 'free' games. Wouldn't that alleviate and maybe even solve the problems?

You have the data. I am just an observer who has noticed the points escalate over the last year, but I don't think it due to Humble's occasional RPGmaker or Clickteam bundles.

Decent changes, especially 3. Thanks, CG! :)

Please return point if creator delete GA.

I checked my stats and I've won at the exact same number of games in the time before the change as after, but my wins are usually from whitelist/group/invite giveaways and the number of entries in those types of giveaways does not seem to have changed.

Totally okay with the first 2 points, it's really needed and heartly welcomed. The 3rd point - yeah, you could say that, but accumulating points has been harder than ever - please leave it at 50 points!

What's this, politics...? just give me more fucking points, this changes NOTHING for me... :D

Pointgeneration basing on giveaways, everything else is nonsense... im 100% right, don't discuss, CHANGE...!!!

1. OK, why not. After recent update, i have still a lot of points, but somebody will be glad for every extra points.
2. This is not OK for me, i visit steamgifts often, but still i like to have some extra points in reserve and 500 cap is making it more comfortable. But nvm, can live with 400.
3. Again OK with me, if something cost a lot, you should be really sure, that you want to enter that.

Give points back after is giveaway deleted.

2 and 3 are welcome improvements.

I don't care much for 1, but I have no strong feelings about it. It just feels like it favors the bots gain.

1. 5-6 points makes no difference to me, but it gives others a bit more room to play with their points.
2. people will complain they "need" to bank their points even more.
3. yes.

anyway, i wouldn't change anything but #3. it's still too early to adjust values.
people are complaining because they have been getting insane amounts of points for years. it's understandable they got used to it and now they got 1/6 (at least from the last month you reported). ^^

Decreasing the point cap from 500P to 400P.

I think the new 500P cap was the best change, and if you increase the point generation then you should not decrease that.

a once a day visitor would be able to spend 400P, while a more frequent visitor could spend 576P.

A once a day visitor would have fewer points to spend with the 500P cap too (76 points less) but you should take into consideration that once a day visitors are probably people who work and normally those are the kind of members who contribute more (creating more giveaways because they earn money). You should not punish them benefiting the 24/7 bots with this measure.

I'll need to always spend my points even if i don't really want any game at that time just to be sure to have enough point if a bundle come with a game i want... it seems counter productive.

(I problably won't do it at least at first but if i see 2-3 time a game from bundle that i cant' enter GA i will think about that)

i say 5 points per 15 minutes and 500 points max in the bank is pretty good as far as i am concerned.
currently i am at 500 points and i have placed all the entries for games i actually want to own and play (29 active entries atm).

100 points for a very expensive gib is fine for me as well. if it's worth a lot you should 'pay' a lot to enter. with a 500 points cap i don't see any problem with that.

I agree with all of them.

Agree on 2 and 3, not really sure about 1 but don't think I'm against it.

I agree with the 1st about increasing to 6p every 15 minutes
I am not sure about changing the cap of points, so I can't comment on that.
And the last thing is fine by me if the cap stays 500 if it doesn't, changing the "fee" of entry to 100 will mean a large hit on people who want to enter those GA and others as well :)