“It’s not worth getting bullied endlessly”: Major Streamers Already Avoiding Hogwarts Legacy

Right, you can't force them, doesn't make their opinion more right, but if their opinion exists to harass people, I just said I think it's justified.

I didn't said that hers or anyone else's opinion is more right, just that everyone has a right for own opinion. And no, different opinion isn't a justified reason for harassments.

Who are you to decide you are right and tell people their existence is invalid ? Or your own words only apply to whoever you want?

Excuse me? When did I said that?
But you said: her opinion is wrong, you stated it as a fact instead of saying I believe her opinion to be wrong. That would be fine, you can disagree of course. But you can't be running around saying that your truth (not yours personally) is the only one right truth. We had that in past a few times and it didn't worked well.

I guess to me it seems wrong to oppress trans people

But you are okay when they oppress someone else.

So let's agree that we disagree and leave it at that.

No one is moving goalposts except you buddy. I'm saying he always had people to act for him, not that he was powerful. But you can believe that if it helps from keeping you up at night.

If you knew anything about Hitler you would know that when he joined the Nazi party it was less than a hundred people strong. Any assertive person could become leader lmao. He was never a shrewd politician either, other politicians around him like von Papen, Hindenburg and international leaders just made mistakes allowing him to grow stronger in power.

And yes this is stupid, especially the part where you replied to me to assert that you were done.🤣

The thing is, JKR said something people found stupid, they answered and told her she's stupid. That's where the confrontation should have ended. Between the 2 affected parties. The "hate" should not have trickled down to a company that owns the right to the intellectual property of one of the arguing parties, not to a game company that used the intellectual property to create a piece of art (if you want to believe games can be art) and not to people who bought said art and showed it off (not every streamer is a big time streamer who gets lots of money and ad revenue, most, like me, are just gamers wanting to share a game with a friend who lives far away).

If someone wants to boycott a game for whatever reason, they absolutely have the right to do it. They also have every right to tell anyone who wants to listen WHY they're boycotting the game. They don't have the right to berate and harass anyone who doesn't want to boycott the game and in fact doing so creates more harm for their cause than not. People have become sick and tired and angry at this specific trans community for doing it, and that will in no way help the trans community get more acceptance. In fact, that kind of action does more harm than what JKR said.

As for what she said: "‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud? " I'm a woman. I'm not a "person who menstruates". I am not a "chestfeeder". I am not a "birthing person". I am a woman. A transwoman is also a woman. JKR didn't say transwomen shouldn't be called women. She said biological women shouldn't be melted down to just the function of their reproductive system. JKR didn't make fun of trans people, she made fun of people who refuse to call women what they are: women. She also supported the point that not everyone who suffers from gender dysphoria is actually trans, and that for many of those, therapy is enough to help them figure that out. That not everyone who thinks they should be the opposite gender should have hormone treatment and surgery as soon as possible. Again, I have to agree with that, as someone who DID silently suffer from gender dysphoria because I thought I didn't have a feminine enough personality. I went through bouts of absolute agony, knowing that even if I had surgery, I would never have a functioning penis. Therapy helped me accept that there is no "male" or "female" personality and with that I could accept my own gender. If the solution for me had been hormone treatment or surgery, I would now be a very sad man, instead of a happy woman. I've read through the whole breakdown of JKR so-called transphobic ideas, and none of them say "I hate trans people and they should all die". In fact I get the feeling that she's very much accepting of trans people, even trans women, but that she doesn't want to have actual men pretend to be women (and call themselves trans) just so they can go into womens bathrooms and changing rooms. She doesn't have a solution to the problem, only complains about it tho.

These are just my 2 cents tho. JKR has absolutely no power over me, and in fact she has even less power than most people seem to give her. She's an old woman who happened to write a hit book series but hasn't done anything worthwhile since then. She's a has-been and she REALLY has no power. She's too much of a feminist for men to like her, the LGBTQ+ community despises her, and women just think she's too much of a weirdo to care about her. If you want to kill JKR, stop talking about her.

Do you not understand what an example is? It’s a comparison. Whining b-b-bUt iT’s eXagGerAted!!11!!1 doesn’t excuse your shitty example moron. Don’t blame me if you don’t understand what an example means, it’s on you to educate yourself out of your ignorance.

I never said an example has to be one to one. What an example has to be, however, is being similar enough to the original in order to illustrate your point. But the entire crux of your eXamPle is utterly and completely wrong.

See you seem to think that just because

Hitler complains about Jews -> Jews are discriminated against

Means that

JKR complains about transgender individuals -> more discrimination against them

Except your child-like understanding of history and how people work means that you forgot some key factors that render your example useless.

(Hitler has an ideology that involves removing “inferior” peoples from Germany) -> (He gathers power through the Nazi Party) -> Hitler complains about Jews -> Jews are discriminated against

JKR complains about transgender individuals -> nothing happens because she has no plan, agenda or ideology on top of having no power.

This is completely ignoring the fact that your entire example hinges on a slippery slope.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR EXAMPLE IS EXAGGERATED, IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU CLOWN🤡🤡🤡🤡

And obviously you were unable to understand the point of me talking about “influencers”. The reason they’re relevant is because sponsors target channels which they think will have viewers who will be interested in their product in the first place. YouTube will also link keywords in ads to keywords in videos you are watching. Ads don’t show random ass products the influencer chose, they’re all products that are relevant to the viewer. An advertiser has a limited budget and will therefore only target people they know will have at least a passing interest in their product because otherwise it will be money wasted on people who don’t give a shit about what you’re selling.

This matters because JKR’s audience isn’t interested in what she has to say or actively lashes back against her opinions. A sponsorship, advertisement or similar is only effective to the degree that the listeners and watchers are willing to buy the product or in this case the idea. But none of her audience wants anything to do with the idea which is evident from the amount of backlash she is receiving. Maybe if she was an author famous in hardcore religious circles or people on the periphery of believing in the idea of transsexuality, she might be harmful. But she’s not and therefore has no effect.

No, you derailed the topic. If you just admitted you were wrong instead of being so stubborn, this wouldn’t have happened and YOU wouldn’t have wasted everyone’s time who replied to you while I at best only wasted your time. Either way, people in forums often use Hitler as a comparison justified or not to get attention. If you don’t want attention, use common sense and don’t talk about Nazis, you dumbass.

Yes indeed, move on from it already. Admit the example was wrong like an adult instead of whining like a petulant child.

See the reason you and I keep disagreeing is because you don’t understand the meaning of “freedom of speech.” Freedom of speech entails a freedom of consequences for speaking your mind. Sure, you should expect people who are equally entitled to their opinion to speak up against you if they disagree but you shouldn’t have to be worried about being repeatedly harassed. That’s not freedom of speech.

And no. I don’t know that this isn’t right. In fact the only one who think this isn’t right is you. And you’re not the moral epicenter of the universe. This is another fundamental misunderstanding you seem to have. Your opinion is not inherently correct and JKR is not inherently wrong. You just have different opinions and both of you should be allowed to speak it without expecting harassment and streamers should be allowed to stream without expecting harassment as well. It is extremely arrogant of you to assume that your morals are somehow superior to everyone else’s. Give up your God complex and come down to talk to the rest of us like a normal human.

You should be able to understand that your examples concerning Stalin are irrelevant if you understand that your morals are not absolute. Sure, you can be upset at someone for streaming a game that supports someone you don’t agree with but that doesn’t give you the right to harass them.

And don’t bring up Stalin or Hitler if you want to stop wasting time like you claimed. That will just light a fire under everyone’s ass.

I give in I'll quote you the tweet you somehow haven't seen.

‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?

"If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction. If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isn’t hate to speak the truth."

"I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them. I’d march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being trans. At the same time, my life has been shaped by being female. I do not believe it’s hateful to say so."

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

You can go down to her replies as well as I've provided you a link to her twitter. This time it started with the first quote I provided you, although if you'd like you can research her other controversies. She's been doing shit like this for many years now.

I have provided you a link with all these like 22 hours ago btw, it's 2 posts under.

I dislike how you call my replies here rambles because you maybe want to pretend the issue doesn't exist, but you failed to do 5 minutes of research and see what she said and why people are upset over a timeframe of almost 2 days, despite you being so interested about this topic.

So the other day this really agressive shit of a person went ghost riding on the other side of the road in order to speed things up for him and then when the lights turned red, he forced himself in front of me.
You know what I did?
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Absolutely nothing cuz I am a normal person!

So JKR is a liar and a not so nice person to trans. Store that fact away and carry on and trust that other normal people are doing the same.

"but if I remember correctly, it wasn't him that posted to his own twitter, but someone else randomly accusing him" It was canceling a person for saying something aloud, or writing something on twitter, or writing a joke 20 years ago, or dressing up as something 30 years ago. There is always an excuse for cancel culture. Maybe he "raped" a person you admire? (he didn't). And isn't self-defense to all women to protect a woman from a rapist?

"point was that it's extremely small" Sounds like you are disappointed. Hate to say it, but A PERSON IS DEAD. Imagine how brutally devastated he was. Talking about it like if it was nothing... I hope I never in my life become the person that you are. Besides, there have been more people that have killed themselves because of cancel culture. Another person gave you the link, that you ignored on purpose. Even if other people didn't kill themselves, they may felt also destroyed.

"I support it as a defensive measure, yes I do support it" FINALLY YOU SAID IT. Congratulations. So we all know you support YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game. Good, at least we know where we stand.

"Yes, as long as it is used for defense"

Salman Rushdie was stabbed on August 12, 2022 by a Hadi Matar, muslim and supporter of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and for Shia extremism. In court documents, he claimed that he was "defending himself and muslims worldwide". So, in your own words, he was justified. Because Salman Rushdie had "attacked" first, writint the Satanic Verses. Or are you of the opinion that if someone attacks someone, they should just stay there and take it? Or only the people you support have the right to defend themselves? Don't muslim people have the right to defend themselves, the same as trans people? Or maybe you don't like muslims and say they don't have the right to defend themselves as they want.

On 7 January 2015, two French Muslim terrorists and brothers, Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, forced their way into the offices of the French satirical weekly newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris. Armed with rifles and other weapons, they murdered 12 people and injured 11 other. So, in your own words, they were justified. Because Charlie Hebdo had "attacked" first, writing a joke. Or are you of the opinion that if someone attacks someone, they should just stay there and take it? Or only the people you support have the right to defend themselves? Don't muslim people have the right to defend themselves, the same as trans people? Or maybe you don't like muslims and say they don't have the right to defend themselves as they want.

Are you going to say "killing is wrong?" Killing is wrong, but sending death threats, asking a woman to kill herself, cyberbullying, continuous online and IRL harassment for years, even harassing her friends and family just for being related to her is OK? You have said over and over that it's justified as long as somebody, anybody, feels it's self-defense.

Now, let me ask you three questions:

Do you support men changing genders and competing in national/international sports? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you

Do you support men changing genders and going to women's prisons? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you.

Do you support men changing genders and going to women-only, places? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you.

"which to me makes complete sense, as the victim/s have done you no wrong, so why should you be the only one allowed to cancel them? " Please send me her words when she was "hating" and "oppressing" or "making fun" or "cancel" (your words) of trans people. Please, don't send me people writing about what she said. The EXACT tweets, please. After all, you are trying to justify YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game.

I agree with your reply completely.

Regarding the game getting more exposure, that's basically the job of these streamers/influencers, to take something that has exposure, negative or positive, because it will attract more people to it. So more streamers wanted to play this game, because of the drama going around it. Did the streamers care who it offended? No, because numbers for them mean more than the issue at hand. That's part of why I'm saying I can see why the trans community is also upset at streamers. Their misfortune is used as bait by streamers to draw in large audiences of people, and profit off it. It's not the right thing to do, but that doesn't mean people will stop watching streamers, in fact they are more successful than ever right, and yet people know how far these people will go for some views. I guess it beats working at mcdonalds right?

Could also be that eventually with one of these situations the person making the comments would get hurt, and it would be attributed to that group, even though the intention to hurt was for an unrelated reason.

An example of that was during the blm protests, there were many people who broke into cars, and banks, and retail stores and stole items left and right, including for instance, I believe it was either logan or jake paul who participated in this, so it is disgusting that again an influencer pretends to participate in a movement just so they can break stuff for fun, and maybe steal, rather than doing it for the movement. It wasn't the right way to protest, just saying it probably escalated to what it did because of people with bad intentions, who didn't care about the movement at all.

It is not the same as she's obviously making a joke out of it, and rather than being attacked all of a sudden for no reason like the example you gave earlier, she started this. Its completely different.

You don't get to define that the entirety of cancel culture resorts to those 3 things you seem to be obsessed about. Your definition of cancel culture doesn't apply to everyone. Have some decency for yourself. The definition for "cancel culture" is along these lines, as copied from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cancel%20culture is " the practice or tendency of engaging in mass canceling (see CANCEL entry 1 sense 1e) as a way of expressing disapproval and exerting social pressure
For those of you who aren't aware, cancel culture refers to the mass withdrawal of support from public figures or celebrities who have done things that aren't socially accepted today. This practice of "canceling" or mass shaming often occurs on social media platforms such as Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook.", so some of your examples don't even fall under cancel culture. There's no mention of death treats, or actual physical violence against anyone, it doesn't say you have to take this actions, it mentions the objective, as to silence those in higher powers who have done socially unacceptable things current to our standards. Stop adding words into it to satisfy your pleasure and obsession already, it's annoying.

I did correct myself on hating, so can you move on already, this is like the 4th time you mention this, despite me correcting myself like 2 days ago and explaining how it's rather dislike-ness and disparagement and unacceptability of these beings , as for the tweets I have told you where to find them, I might've even referred to some in this thread and even copy pasted one, and I instructed you to read the thread and stop asking me the same questions everyone asks, simply because you don't know how to read. Your questions have already been answered, and you keep derailing off the topic. Please, stop asking the exact same things, I already said it's okay to disagree, but stop asking me the exact same things because you refuse to accept these people's rights. You not being willing to accept these people exist isn't okay for you to try and keep asking me the same question, ignore what I told you and pretend it never happened or you didn't get answers to it. It's just your attempt to annoy me and pretend these issues don't exist, despite the situation at hand which is going on. It's fucked up. You need to grow up.

If you can't agree with me it's fine, but stop asking the exact same things, when they have been already explained to you. If you don't fine them offensive, it isn't my fault that you don't understand what is offensive about them, plenty of people do hence why this is making a lot of drama right now. What you find offensive isn't necessarily what everyone finds offensive or to the same degree. It's just a large portion of people find that offensive and you are not part of them. It means that maybe you are wrong and your views aren't right towards these people, or that you are right and these people deserve to be treated that way. I'm inclined to believe you are wrong and these people do have rights. That's just my belief, that these people have rights, that's it. You can disagree and fight against those rights, that's your deal. Don't ask me why people would be upset if you fight against someone elses rights, as that is a stupid question, and you learn that in your 7 years at home. Its common decency to treat others nicely.

How comes you never say things like "it makes sense" when I reply to your questions. Like yes, you got your answers to your questions, but you have nothing to say about it? You wont defend your questions at all, were they pointless, did I prove you wrong and you don't know how to approach me? I'm bothered that you just keep on asking and asking and asking, but you don't deliver or add anything relevant to support your point of view. Who taught you how to argue?

As for your last line: ""transphobe" Sorry, so far I haven't insulted you. Please do the same.". You are constantly trying to insult me I am just not giving you the ability to do so, hence why you keep derailing off the topic, refuse to accept the tweets as offensive despite so many agreeing, ask questions to which I proved you that your examples are invalid and you wont admit that your application of those isn't the only one making them invalid, aka you got no argument, you just want to say something for no reason.

So no, asking you if you are a transphobe isn't an insult given the questions you asked me. Cause and effect. Am I supposed to assume your understanding for these people given your questions, pushback, and denial of these things? You are suggesting I should have problems with these things being given to this group of people, and I explained to you how rather than having a problem with these things, we should all expect the system to be inclusive of these people.

You're being extremely rude if you ask me. You need to have a really wretched personality to demand people don't question you, while you keep questioning them and their belief in all these aggressive ways, and somehow you're the upset one when someone suggests your so far intentions point to you being against these people's rights to exist and defend themselves, since there is no mention of you taking their side once, and naturally if you can't see from their point of view at all, I can't imagine how you are supportive of them. I was asking a pretty rhetorical question I suppose.

I'll stop further replies to you, as you have had your questions answered and we have not being adding anything new to the topic for a while my intentions were to explain how JKR's comments were offensive and inappropriate and the actions taken towards her aren't unjustified, however it's just been direct attacks towards me and I feel satisfied in how I debunked and refuted all of them. If you aren't in support of these people that's your deal, do not include me into that or try to project your ideals onto me, I respect their wish to become part of our society, especially since all they seek is acceptance. I'll end this conversation before this escalates and xarabas sees the opportunity to suspend me again since he dislikes me, so you are free to reply with whatever you want. Take care, I wish you the best in your endeavors.