"Hogwarts Legacy has been a long-awaited game, both for gamers and Potterheads alike. Based on the Harry Potter book series by J.K. Rowling, the game had been first hinted at a while back, making fans excited about it. The game was set to launch on PlayStation, Nintendo, and multiple other platforms.

Now that the game is available for early access, Twitch streamers all around the world can have a go at the game. However, that experience has not been going the best. According to gamers, playing the game on stream has led to them being highly cyberbullied and put them at risk of being bashed just for trying the game out (and spoilers are being spammed).

Streamers Step Away From Harry Potter’s Hogwarts Legacy
Hogwarts Legacy is an open-world adventure game that lets gamers enter the world of Harry Potter once again and be part of the Wizarding World. But streamers on Twitch, who have early access to the game, are now avoiding playing it under any circumstances. They are being endlessly harassed and bullied for playing the game or even trying it out. No matter how big or small the streamer may be, they are getting a lot of hate for playing the game."

https://fandomwire.com/its-not-worth-getting-bullied-endlessly-major-streamers-already-avoiding-harry-potter-game-hogwarts-legacy-due-to-relentless-cyber-bullying/

Please keep it "clean" (probably won't happen) but i think we are all hitting a new low by saying you support JK Rowling, a transphobe, so buying the game makes you one too, hate the artist not the art.
Also from what i gathered WB did allow the game to include a transgender person.

To "relevate" that..

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oh no - ONE game they can't make ££££ how will they survive - if only there was like a million other game in the world they could stream instead

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It's not about the cash, it's about getting bullied over streaming/playing a game (like are people going offline to hide they are playing it?), it's ridiculous, but basically a reflection how it goes on in the rest of the world.

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Trans people have said "please don't buy or promote this luxury good that directly benefits someone who spends time, money, and influence trying to strip us of our basic human rights," and you act like we've asked you to stop drinking water. Grow up.

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Blacklisting me over this, just mentioning a news article (or whatever else)? You need to grow up perhaps.

This comparison you are making is so limp, and perhaps watch the video to get a clearer picture, the only thing this game has is it's name Harry Potter, nothing else to do with JK Rowling (She didn't make the game, write the story) and only a very small avenue of her other income.
But like again with the video it's easier to sit in your pyjamas, typing" "you bad, me good" instead of getting out and protesting to the places where it really matters.

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I blacklisted you months ago.

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Fine, absolutely don't care. But it's still childish when talk about growing up.

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EDIT: Kind of ironic to blacklist someone that points out that they have supported active animal abusers and sexual harassers by buying extra copies of games directly released by those offenders to giveaway. Of all threads...

While I agree that JK is a cunt to say the least, she's not directly benefitting from it. She's quite far down the line. Avalanche, WB Games, WB, Handlers, Publishers and then finally her getting her cash. Not saying it's much better, but I mean you bought Bioshock Infinite just to give away, which actually is a luxury behaviour (making giveaways) on a luxury product, which actually directly supports sexual harassment (not just rhetoric), animal abuse, employee crunching and so on.

If you'd taken this hour of talking about how bad it all is and done a few surveys on Prolific to donate the profits to a trans-friendly charity (I tend to pick the Trevor Project, but Planned Parenthood also provides valuable services to the trans community), you'd have done infinitely more to help than this.

This isn't whataboutism though. At the end of the day, not buying Hogwarts Legacy is a better move than buying it. But you're actively actually directly contributing to some really bad stuff according to your own definitions and there's actual real things to do to support what you at this point only claim to support.

It's just very odd that you literally support what you claim to stand against (giving away Call of Juarez Gunslinger, for example, like jeesh?!??!?!)

Also, still screw JK and screw the shit she spews out her vile mouth.

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bullying people over the game they stream is certainly not childish, right?

Ya know, pot calling kettle black

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Cyberbulliing is not childish. It's criminal.

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I'm asking you to stop eating meat and using animal products because they cause animal suffering.
Lugum might like you to stop buying sports brands like Nike and Adidas because they use child labour.
What if Ekaros wants you to stop using your phone, buying from webshops, or listening to Beyonce because they use modern day slavery to create their products?
"Please don't" is different from "Please don't...or else!"
You can't always get what you want.

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so your saying that people would still stream the game if they didn't get paid (i mean the so called ones who list this as a job) - if you get attacked for playing it and hate for playing it - maybe (and this is just a thought) just don't play the game - play something else

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What kind of logic is that?
You want the streamers who did nothing wrong to change their streaming. But not people who are harassing.
Who are you or anyone in that community to dictate or make that decision?

That doesn't fix the problem at all.
Let's say, a guy gets robbed at night. Are you going to tell the guy to never go out at night? 🤣
Seriously, man. The level of self entitlement is insane.

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i am not saying that but if this ONE GAME is such a problem for bulling don't play it - i can't it prawns because they make me ill so guess what i eat some of the many other foods in the world - just like they could Stream many of the other games in the world - i bet like 80% at least watch for who is Streaming and not what is streaming

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Wanna know what's the difference between your scenerio & this one?
You "yourself" made the decision that you won't eat prawns.
It wasn't like you ordered food in a restaurant & some random strangers who stalks the store to see who orders prawns followed you & told you to not eat prawns. In this scenario, the random strangers are more of threat than some food.

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Yeah, but I think their point is that if they got bullied and harassed for eating prawns, they would just stop because it's not worth the hassle, rather than keep eating them knowing what will happen

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correct

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Ah yes, your logic:
If you are born a man, and at some stage in your life you want to become a woman, but you meet a lot of resistance, maybe just give up?
You yourself have reaped the benefits of changing your identity by becoming your own mother to cheat the system, so it's quite entertaining to see you trying to tell others what to do.

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i haven't cheated anything but whatever people like you always have to try to make trouble - i'm not telling anyone what to do but what is so important about this one game that they have to ruin their lives both online and offline with this hate they seem to be getting

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its about standing up against whats obviously wrong!

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The whole thing is a proper mess, the type of thing that quite reasonably causes many people to quietly walk away from it for fear of getting hit during the crossfire, so I don't blame streamers for not wanting to touch the game just in case.
I fell off the hype train for the franchise while I still was a teenager, before the last two books were even out, and since then I basically stopped caring. Then a couple years ago I started to notice hour long essays on youtube taking about the author being a terf, and yeesh, the shit this woman has said does indeed sound awful. I'm still not sure if hating on the work of fiction itself as a consequence makes a whole lot of sense tho, I get not wanting to buy merchandising but attacking those who simply want to enjoy a thing they liked growing up seems wrong. But if someone says online they just want to read the books/watch the movies/play the games there's people throwing the argument that every single one of those things end up feeding the coffers of the author so, no good solution or of this, other than putting the franchise on ice and patiently waiting for her to no longer be among the living so one can claim death of the author... but literally.
Did I even have a point when I stated writing this?

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i have no idea how the industry survives every Lovecraft game

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I think his work is in the public domain, but your point stands.

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If Lovecraft were alive, making racist statements and donating his profits to racist causes people would probably boycott him too.
We have a few decades before we can put Harry Potter and the Cthulhu Mythos in the same category.

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Lovecraft's been dead for eighty-five years, hope this helps.

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fantastic, i was wondering when it would be ok to play hogwarts

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Man, this is so damn ridiculous... I'm so glad I'm out of most of the social network loops, at least I can avoid this kinda bullshit @_@
That last vid is so damn right.

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I dont get it honestly. Why do people be so hateful? I understand why they dont like the game but they dont need to become hateful themselves.

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It's because a large amount of people are just hateful and unhappy people that want to make it so everyone else feels like them

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JK Rowling did nothing wrong

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your not serious right?

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What exactly she said was wrong? "People who menstruate" is a label and that label can be not accepted by other people. Same with "sex not real" notion that many people cant agree with but instead they get shoved it in the throat. There is nothing hateful in her opinion on a matter yet people treated here like she trying to build concentration camps

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Her entire being is a collection of transphobic dog whistles, "Transsexuals are a danger to women", transsexuals are a danger to female speech" "transsexuals are a danger to female healthcare", she's the literal equivalent to one of those "not in my back yard" racists.

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Literally you can have men pretend to be women and tell them what they can and can't do with there bodies since according to those people they should be treated as women. Do you not see the problem with that? And lets not forget the lez transwomen who stilll want to keep their MALE parts and force real lez women to have sex with them.

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She did, pandered to them in the first place.

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Attacking them because something author of the property said seems just insane.
I could understand if it was because it was children's book... Even then bit juvenile...

But worst thing about this is that I have heard some people have been hurtfully defamed, that they played the game. Even if they did not. That is just horrid. Accusing someone playing Harry Potter game...

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Imagine researching every piece of entertainment or every luxury item you want to buy, and finding out they are all off limits because your selective outrage is more widespread than you thought because you are lazy :P
(by you i mean people in general, not you specifically, i agree with your opinion 100%)

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I think this is perfect. The game sells like sliced bread already and now people will buy the game out of spite or curiosity.

As the thought police was unsuccessful in organizing a boycott they're now trying to silence influencers all in a ludicrous attempt to punish a billionaire for her divergent opinion.

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Is it really "major streamers" though? Or is it still the loud minority getting offended by everything, but which affects about nothing?

Because the game is still a great performer despite some wannabe journalists and streamers complaining about it.
And btw - how is buying the game "supporting a transphobe" ? Sorry but that is ridiculous.

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I wonder how they have time to post on Twitter, ensuring that you never give money to any group you are against would be immense drain on time.

After all, you have to evaluate each and every time you spend money and the whole chain how the product you are buying end up to you.

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The assumption is made that one is on twitter. We all know what twitter users are called.

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This was a difficult one for me to pick a side, mostly because I myself really enjoyed harry potter growing up, and I think it's such a cool environment. I have most of the games, all books, and I've seen the movies, except the very newest ones. It's not like I'm going to burn my copies as some sort of rebellion since all this stuff is all from the past, and they were mostly acquired from resellers. I don't partake in any of the reddit complaints and I don't use twitch or twitter, but I agree with the people boycotting this. We're talking about something that just released, even though it probably shouldn't have been made. So, I don't think the complaints are without reason. Anything harry potter world, j k rowling gets a royalty. To say it's unjustified people are telling streamers or players that they should avoid the game due to the issues with the original author, to me makes sense. Harassment however isn't right. The problem comes that the majority of people aren't aware of these issues or maybe they use the excuse that it's not her, or that big of a deal.

However if this game makes 60 million dollars in sales, which I'm sure it surpassed easily already (considering that steam alone had 500k users playing it in pre release, that doesn't include people who are still loading, playstation, xbox, or wherever else you can get it, and people who bought it but haven't played yet), part of that money goes to rowling. Assuming it's just 1%, she'd still make 600k, for her twitter posts.

a) Warner Bros can claim she has no involvement, but she gets royalty on it, so she is involved.
b) WB went ahead and made the game, despite what has been happening with rowling throughout the years. It's not like they didn't know. They just didn't care, and look at profits over her comments and image. They could've made their own wizard game, but they picked harry potter because they knew some people have been craving a harry potter game and would buy it regardless.
c) streamers are aware of the situation and the reach they have to people, especially more so when they can enable drops for them on twitch and when some have received free copies to play the game, and I'm going to assume there are sponsorships as well. On top of all that, they get to play advertisements, and get donations, and more from this. So it's not like they can say they are doing this just for review purposes or something, and they are gaining nothing out of it. They know people have been waiting to see the game, and they will watch.

As for the harassment, I don't think it's the right thing to do either, but you look at the people who are looked down by this creator, and what choice do their voices have but this? They could just make a reddit thread about it and have it be forgotten by again, the masses that don't care that it hurts people. I mean the streamer is playing it and maybe even recommending to others to buy the game. They can't just say oh I don't know about this issue if people tell them in the comments, and if they ignore said comments, there are only two possibilities: the first is ignorance, as in pretending they don't know about it despite all the news, or that they don't associate(which makes no sense because they are supporting her words by buying it, playing it, suggesting to others to do the same), and the second possibility, that they actually support this, which would be super messed up.

I mean imagine telling the people of Hong Kong to just deal with it and let others do their thing?! Like yeah "you guys should stop being so upset china is working hard to take your basic human rights away and stop pushing your ideals onto others. Make a reddit thread about it and that should be it! Go back to your homes and let the officials do their thing, it will all work out".

Does this all matter that much? I think yes. I know I'm going to give an exaggerated example, but if a big company had royalties to hitler for some video game, and you know he was killing jews on the side, I would like to believe you wouldn't buy his game, and you wouldn't like streamers playing it either, knowing it supports someone who's killing jews.

PS: If it makes it easier to roast me or something, I do have the game on my wishlist, and I did enter giveaways for it. Not claiming to be perfect. But, I'm not buying it, despite it being on my wishlist, at least until it goes insanely cheap that I probably can't refuse, or if it's free, or the author apologizes properly. If I get it for free from some other source, I can't complain, but to me it already looks pretty boring and lifeless compared to older harry potter games, although I probably have nostalgia. I do like the visuals, but that's about it.

Another reason why this game is a huge miss for me anyways, is because at some point we had a leaked trailer for a multiplayer harry potter game. I saw a clip of asmongold himself where he didn't want to rate the game as is, but said it would an 11 if it had like the gta v multiplayer rp kind of options. And I agree to that, big miss from WB. Like yeah, it's cool we get a new gen harry potter game, without the harry potter, super diluted, without being able to play with your friends, and with a drop j k rowling drama in it. I also saw in some gameplay footage that you can't go under water and I'm legit mind blown that this isn't like one of the first things they add to any game that has water nowadays.

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but if a big company had royalties to hitler for some video game, and you know he was killing jews on the side, I would like to believe you wouldn't buy his game,

I mean supporting trans rights is one thing. But comparing it to hitler killing jews? I think you stepped a bit over the line there buddy.

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"I know I'm going to give an exaggerated example", the whole point of it is to see how you feel about a situation like this at a much higher intensity. If you don't feel good about this one, it probably means you shouldn't feel good about people profiting from being transphobic. I don't think I overstepped any line. Trying to downplay this just because one example involves something most of us would deem as evil, doesn't make j k rowlings comments okay or acceptable just because she's doing it on a much lesser scale and it doesn't involve people dying. Either way, it's wrong, and she, like hitler, hates on a group of people.

Just because hitler was much much much worse a person, doesn't excuse rowling from still hating on a group when she's in a position of power and she is secured already for life knowing she has the reach of millions of people, many of them young, who she can influence for the future. Either way it's hateful.

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You know, in all honesty, I have never noticed that she'd hated or expressed a hate against someone.

But all the hate towards her is pretty much visible and I think that it's really overrated.

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I mean generally like with big personalities like elon musk for instance, you'll see him saying something dumb, then get millions of replies for or against it. Generally, you wont have 1 million elon musks, reply to 1 individual saying this isn't right, because there aren't that many elon musks. Like I don't know why her getting a lot of hate for her comments(not sure if you read them) is surprising, as that's generally how it works. Someone with a huge following(many people), will say something controversial, which attracts much attention, and so many people will talk about it. She's in a position of power, it's the normal outcome.

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You got sidetracked.

She hates no one, yet she receives a lot of hate. The fact that she is a big personality on the web and socials media doesn't justify that she is hated for her different opinions.
You can disagree with her, but you can't hate her for that. That's just, I don't know, stupid.

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I don't think she received that backlash for just expressing her opinion, but because of how she expressed her opinion. By making fun of them, and downplaying their existence. I suppose hate is a pretty strong word to use when taken literally so I apologize for the misunderstanding, and maybe strong dislike and ignorance are better words, but regardless what she said is messed up and wasn't said properly at all. In those terms, I also don't think she's received hate, but comments from people who are upset by her choice of words. Hate is indeed a pretty strong emotion if you actually mean it, so I don't think either party is hating if we refer to it that way.

Tbh I get a little sidetracked because people will clip like 6 words out of a 600 word piece of text I wrote in like 2-5 minutes, and slowly the topic derails from it's main objective, aka pointing out that these people do indirectly support someone who has hurtful opinions about a certain group of people who have done her no wrong, and whether it is that wrong that the people being oppressed are upset by people's ignorance towards the subject and their support for the oppressor again due to ignorance.

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The comparison is totally ridiculous.
We perceive and react to stuff depending on the severity and degree of something. Systematic murder of a whole group of people in degree of millions is absolutely incomparable to a tweet that contradicts your beliefs.

Sorry, but this is not even discussion about trans rights but how ridiculous lengths you go to push your (or not yours, doesn't matter) agenda.

Already forgot how ridiculous it was for Lavrov to say that they are like Jews and west is like nazis in support for Ukraine? There simply is a line you shouldn't cross. And you crossed it. Absolutely incomparable things.

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It's just an analogy, not sure why you're struggling with it so much Imagine not being able to use examples on different scales to make it easier to understand the problem at hand.. It isn't meant for you to treat her like hitler, hence why, I specified an extreme example, even though it wasn't the only one, just to make you understand what she said is wrong, and that she is in a position in which she can influence many people.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all, I don't know every bit of history especially in too much detail, but I feel somewhat confident saying hitler didn't go day one and started killing jews, he had to push his agenda onto people and find people that supported him until it grew to that scale. Not saying rowling would do that, I highly doubt it of course, all I'm saying is, hitlers view was wrong from the start, but look what it lead to. So if it makes you more comfortable, think of a small hitler pushing anti jew propaganda, before he was a leader, when he had less of a reach than jk rowling. It was still anti jew propaganda, still didn't make it right. He wasn't killing people then, but his views aren't to be downplayed or somehow right. It was still wrong.

I don't know if I go to a ridiculous length to push my agenda, not that I have one, I'm not gaining anything from this, nor am I part of their group. All I'm saying is overall, all things considered, I think the boycotters are in the right so far, except for certain things, like the website that tracked people that never even played the game, and of course I disagree with harassment that would make someone hurt themselves. But I don't think they're unjustified to go to their twitch channels and tell them they support transphobes because it isn't entirely wrong.

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There's a reason people consider "words" and "actions" two separate things. An expression of opinion should not be considered wrong no matter what it is. Everyone has different morals and you can't just claim your morals and beliefs as the basis for what can and can't be said. Someone with different moral values from your own might consider something you said to be as equally bad as JKR' and equally hurtful. The basis of what can and cannot be said should never be created, much less based on one person or a tiny group of people.

Plus you said it yourself. it is extremely unlikely JKR's words will lead to anything more yet you keep falling down a slippery slope and comparing her to Hitler. If you want to keep making examples though, feel free because I think I have one too.

You said "what choice do their voices have but this? They could just make a reddit thread about it and have it be forgotten by again". The very same logic could be used to justify the capitol riots. Everyone who heard the voices of American far right Trump supporters just forgot about it after the next big thing. So what else were they supposed to do other than harass others to draw attention not caring if it hurts others? Do you still think your line of logic is justified? I doubt someone like you would. Not everything can be justified through the lack of attention. And don't even start whining about how it's different. It's not. Your morals are not the absolute basis for what is right and wrong.

It also must be said that Hitler's opinions were always extremely radical from the get-go, even when he was "small hitler" and making speeches to less than a thousand people, whereas what JKR said seems to be nothing of the sort.

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There's a reason people consider "words" and "actions" two separate things. An expression of opinion should not be considered wrong no matter what it is.

Does anyone know if Hitler ever personally killed someone? Or was it just his "words" that inspired the "actions," i.e. millions of murders?

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Hitler was a soldier in WWI, so he probably personally killed someone.

However that doesn't matter regarding the Holocaust. While he "tecnically" didn't order the Holocaust in writing, he was directly involved in the preparations, and it would have never been carried without his express authorization. Moreover, it was his antisemitism that allowed his minions to present him with the Holocaust plans.

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I can't see how a national leader's "preparations" and authorizations would be anything more than words on paper.

JK Rowling doesn't need to walk up and slap a trans person for her words to have an effect on a marginalized community that already suffers from hate crimes and an elevated murder rate.

I'm not interested in responses pointing out that Rowling holds no public office. That's not the relevant point.

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"I can't see how a national leader's "preparations" and authorizations would be anything more than words on paper" Your comparison is all wrong. He didn't just use "words" but actions, he actively worked to cause the Holocaust.

Besides.... I mean supporting trans rights is one thing. But comparing it to hitler killing jews? I think you stepped a bit over the line there buddy.

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But comparing it to hitler killing jews? I think you stepped a bit over the line there buddy.

You must be confusing me with someone else. I'm just continuing the discussion.

Buddy.

cf, me (below):

I didn't say she was calling for violence any more than you did; I'm just pointing out that the words-vs-actions rubric doesn't hold up.

Because it doesn't. I'd be interested to know what kind of active work you're envisioning that went beyond passing laws, giving orders, and whipping people up with speeches. Those are all words, and they were objectively dangerous and destructive.

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Ordering people to build a death camp and ordering people to commit genocide is an ACTION. Passing laws, giving orders are ACTIONS: It's WAY different than writing something on twitter. You are tring to compare things that are NOT the same. Seriously.

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JK Rowling doesn't need to walk up and slap a trans person for her words to have an effect on a marginalized community that already suffers from hate crimes and an elevated murder rate.

I would recommed reading Rowling's posts and tweets. You will most likely not agree with them, but they are a far cry off calling for violence against LGBTQ+ people.

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I don't know why people struggle with this so much, it was an example at high intensity to make people understand that her opinion is wrong. Idk how people then literally take word for word and compare her directly to hitler as if she and her are in the same position and this is right before ww2. This genuinely shouldn't be that hard.

Her words, still have a far far reach, and it will give fans and others the courage and confidence that they are in the right to also look down on trans people seeking these rights, which is safe to say will lead to bullying, cyberbullying, and violence, refusal of acceptance, etc. in many cases. To make it worse, she tries to sound funny while expressing her opinion. I'm just saying it's justified people are upset at her, or at WB, or at streamers and players for even indirectly supporting her cause.

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her opinion is wrong

Who are you to decide who's right and who's wrong? Everyone has a right for their own opinion. You can disagree with it, but you can't force the other person with threats to change it.
Don't you see how wrong is to advocate this kind of behavior?

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Right, you can't force them, doesn't make their opinion more right, but if their opinion exists to harass people, I just said I think it's justified.

Who are you to decide you are right and tell people their existence is invalid ? Or your own words only apply to whoever you want?

As for who am I to decide whats right and wrong, I don't know, I guess to me it seems wrong to oppress trans people. It might be okay for you, or jkr, but to me it seems wrong, as they haven't asked you to be trans or anything like that, they didn't force your mom to be trans, they just identify in a way you're not used to, and I don't think for that reason they should be made fun of or be put in the spotlight by someone with a huge audience.

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Right, you can't force them, doesn't make their opinion more right, but if their opinion exists to harass people, I just said I think it's justified.

I didn't said that hers or anyone else's opinion is more right, just that everyone has a right for own opinion. And no, different opinion isn't a justified reason for harassments.

Who are you to decide you are right and tell people their existence is invalid ? Or your own words only apply to whoever you want?

Excuse me? When did I said that?
But you said: her opinion is wrong, you stated it as a fact instead of saying I believe her opinion to be wrong. That would be fine, you can disagree of course. But you can't be running around saying that your truth (not yours personally) is the only one right truth. We had that in past a few times and it didn't worked well.

I guess to me it seems wrong to oppress trans people

But you are okay when they oppress someone else.

So let's agree that we disagree and leave it at that.

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I would recommed reading Rowling's posts and tweets. You will most likely not agree with them, but they are a far cry off calling for violence against LGBTQ+ people.

No, she's just being openly derisive of a group that is already victimized by a disproportionate amount of violence and intolerance. I didn't say she was calling for violence any more than you did; I'm just pointing out that the words-vs-actions rubric doesn't hold up.

Nevertheless, she should STFU.

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Words on paper lmao. You try writing words on paper. Did that do anything?

Hitler didn't personally kill any Jews but he used his power to order his subordinates to act out his will. That's not sharing an opinion, that's an extension of your action through directly ordering others.

"I'm not interested in responses pointing out that Rowling holds no public office. That's not the relevant point."

What? That is the completely relevant point. She has no authority over any transgender person anywhere and that invalidates any action she might call for since she can't order anyone to do anything. Any effect she has on the trans community is negligible at best and you're brain-dead if you think her tweets or whatever actually managed to do anything.

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Hitler's sucking demon dicks in hell, so he's neither here nor there. My only point is that he was in no position to give orders until he achieved a level of political prominence. I suppose there may have been bribery or coercion involved (though I thought he was a poor artist), but I think it was the "strength" of his toxic but persuasive rhetoric that got him into a position where his actions -- if we accept that orders are actions -- carried any weight at all.

Let's stop pretending we don't understand each other: Rowling's statements, though just a drop in a bucket of anti-trans garbage, still amplifies that sentiment into the cultural zeitgeist, which -- when normalized -- could eventually enable a despot closer to you to start carrying out violent means of oppression that are already occurring around the world.

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He was always in a position to give orders. He was the leader of the Nazi party even before his election and he always had cronies to order around. His "strength" was no in his persuasive rhetoric. The only time he ever got votes from the common people was when the Weimar republic began failing economically and the world went into depression. He only got votes because he promised jobs like every other politician, not because of his speeches though that helped.

I seriously think you don't understand an inkling of what I said and are just using fancy verbiage to cover it up but okay. I don't see JKR's statements as anti-trans garbage but rather a your average hardcore feminazi questioning the rationality of assuming gender affects the day to day experiences of someone to the point that it makes their experiences equal to that of people of the other sex. I can agree with that to a degree and see the logic in that, rather than seeing it as a rallying cry for carrying out violence. She states she "loves trans people" which I doubt anyone who you speak of would be able to stand seeing.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence, but you're just moving the goalposts to try and assert that Hitler was always powerful. Was it his womanly figure and baking skills that made him the leader of a political party, or was he a shrewd politician? But admittedly, this is stupid and wildly beside the point. I'm done.

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No one is moving goalposts except you buddy. I'm saying he always had people to act for him, not that he was powerful. But you can believe that if it helps from keeping you up at night.

If you knew anything about Hitler you would know that when he joined the Nazi party it was less than a hundred people strong. Any assertive person could become leader lmao. He was never a shrewd politician either, other politicians around him like von Papen, Hindenburg and international leaders just made mistakes allowing him to grow stronger in power.

And yes this is stupid, especially the part where you replied to me to assert that you were done.🤣

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I said this somewhere in my replies, but hitler didn't just go in day one and kill jews, he did have to grow an audience and share his propaganda with others, which grew into what it did, I did mention I was giving an exaggerated example on purpose, to make it easier to understand, of course, you can similarly compare this to him pushing his agenda against jews, at the very start of it, regardless, it is wrong, and just because he might have not hurt himself jews back then, doesn't mean his agenda didn't fuel others, same with rowling, doesn't mean her agenda wont fuel others that want to hate on trans people. To that degree I can see why they dislike her, and why they are angry with her. She started it and to this day didn't apologize.

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Except JKR has no "agenda". Hitler published Mein Kampf back in 1925 and must have had the idea in mind since the first world war ended. His agenda was always there and even early on he promoted violence against jews through the brownshirts.
JKR on the other hand, has no agenda and if she did she would be arrested for trying to promoting the systematic isolation, discrimination and/or killings of any and all trans people. She is not "fueling hate" she is sharing her thoughts.

To summarize since you don't seem to understand why your example sucks. Hitler always had an agenda, JKR doesn't have one. Hitler promoted violence against jews, while JKR did not, so far as, I know call for violence against trans people

It's honestly kind of crazy how people are railing against her. She's some dumb author with no influence outside her Harry potter fandom of 12 year olds who has made plenty of moronic tweets in the past that did nothing.

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JKR has no agenda? I think her agenda is to not let this happen right, as it bothers her, otherwise she wouldn't have said anything.

I think you seem to miss the point of an example and you for whatever reason are treating hitler at the same level as jkr, so I think you fail the basic test of reading and comprehension.

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The definition of agenda is a list or outline of things to be considered or done or an underlying often ideological plan or program.
I think JKR has neither. People often say things or write them, especially on twitter without much thought.

I think you are the one who misses the point of an example. it is to compare and contrast similar things. There is nothing similar in this case, and you are just employing a logical fallacy by playing the Hitler card. Even if I did fail to understand your shitty example, I would have failed a logical comprehension, not reading and comprehension. The longer this discussion goes on and I see your other replies, the more you seem to be the one who is failing reading comprehension as well as logical comprehension, willfully ignoring any argument that refutes all your points.

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Didn't she go ahead and make a whole post on her website about how she has given this a lot of thought? Isn't that, an agenda? It's a whole article describing her view of it and attempting to justify herself. As others have mentioned, she isn't as evil as you make her seem, but she still doesn't want trans people to be called by those terms, despite having the audacity of trying to claim her relationships with them(like caring for them, and having trans friends, etc.. It still doesn't excuse that she was the one who said that, knowing her influence and reach will strengthen or change the minds of many people towards her ideals. That is the problem with someone in power. If X streamer you watch every day tells you to drink PRIME, you might want to try it eventually. If they tell you which game sucks or doesn't, chances are you will be influenced by their words. But they don't share their opinions to one or two people, they share their opinions for millions or billions to see, and they influence some people who have respect for them. Or are you saying influencers have no influence, just because you yourself might know better?

You don't have to understand the hitler example then, as I explained it was an extreme example, on a much bigger scale. Regardless, it started on a small scale, and his disregard for a specific group of people eventually grew into what it did. You could look for another example or fabricate one specific to this situation. Regardless, what she said still isn't right or appropriate. I'm certain she also knows it, I'm sure she has advisors to manage her brand/s, but she probably wanted to feel in control. Again, I can't blame the people for telling her she's wrong.

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Yeah no, those are carefully articulated and justified thoughts, not a plan of action to exterminate all trans people. I just gave you a definition so your lazy ass doesn't have to google for it.

"she isn't as evil as you make her seem" Did you mean to write "me" instead of "you"? I'm not the one who made the comparison to Hitler. That's you.

Influencers have influence because the people they talk to are like them. You go on youtube or twitter. You will find yourself being recommended content you like. Influencers promote products that their viewers might like. That's why you don't see gaming youtubers advertise beauty products because their audiences is mostly men ages 20~40. JKR on the other hand has a fanbase of people who evidently don't like her thoughts seeing as she had to write an entire article to justify herself and is constantly under threat. People who pay attention to her are not like her or agree with her therefore she has no influence. Or are you saying people you wholly disagree with have influence over you and your actions, just because you might not know better?

No indeed, I don't have to understand an incorrect example. It's like you're comparing Pasta to Ferraris and claiming the comparison works because some types of them are red and from Italy when in reality it doesn't work because they are two different things on a mildly close examination.

Overall, I agree, you can't blame the people who tell her it's wrong. It's their opinion which I completely believe they are entitled to. But you also can't say she's wrong for speaking her own opinion as well, or say that people harassing streamers are right.

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No I meant to say you. I never compared her to hitler, I gave you an exaggerated example, so you have an easier time understanding why it is a problem. I never, once said, this is a 1 to 1 equal comparison. It is you yourself who compares her 1 to 1 to hitler, not me. Stop trying to add words to me because you got no argument. Don't blame me for you not having 5th grade reading comprehension, that's not my fault. If you aren't familiar with words such exaggerate and example and everything in your life is 1 to 1, you cannot blame me, or use that as some excuse or create yourself some delusional image as to what other people have said. If you do not understand English and you struggle with these words, you cannot blame me. It is your responsibility to get educated, I do not owe you specifically an education for your ignorance.

Your suggestion that influencers have influence because the people they talk to are like them made me laugh. Not a single influencer wants to be compared to their audience 1vs1, unless it's for money. Influencers will go above and beyond to get an audience, and it's all about the business grind. If you legitimately think influencers think of themselves as just some random nobody who games or chats, that's delusional lmao. They want people who follow them to stop getting into these parasocial relationships because they don't think their audience actually knows them irl and are creeped out by them. Stop living that illusion and see how disgusted they are by the idea of spending time with their viewers. They just want to be put on a high pedestal as the better beings. They are attention seekers, not your friends. If they had to cut contact with a viewer to gain 2 and could do it indefinitely, they would drop you no question. It's not a relationship, it's a business.

Influencers promote products that users might like. I mean that would be dumb to not do. The way twitch bidding works is you can select which offers you would like to do, such as watch a movie trailer of hogwarts legacy for 1 minute get $3000(of course titles and amounts would vary by person but we're talking about big streamers), the way youtube ads works is someone bids to show ads on your video, and if they win the bid, youtube will display that ad on videos regardless if the influencer thinks or not thinks it's a cool ad, cause youtube pays them the money. As for sponsorships, it is the same concept, they cherry pick things they believe are easiest to get money from, like getting you to download a free game like raid shadow legends, or install some software, or whatever. There's plenty of influencers who will hide brands from their videos specifically because said brand has refused to sponsor them, despite them still using said products, and would recommend you products they will never use. I think a decent example of that is like tech reviewers, that "review" tech, like drawing tablets, maybe even video games. You think tech reviewers use 60 tablets at once, daily for 3 years so they can tell you about that experience? No. They'll try it for 30 minutes get some quick shots and then express their opinion of how this is a pretty good product if you're in the market for it. Of course, the tablet they use is a $5000 tablet rather than a $800 one, but do you think they will tell you, compared to my $5000 this is dog water? How many successful influencers do you know that point out negatives for products, not even close to enough as many as those who just like everything all of a sudden.

If you don't like the exaggerated example I gave then just take the problem at hand originally and deduce if it's right for her to say those things to people, and who instigated this in the first place and whether these people have a right to defend themselves. If you are so smart, you don't need an exaggerated example. That's completely fine, but you've derailed from the main topic of discussion, because you have nothing to argue against it. I too would've preffered someone of such high intellect as you would've been capable of deducing that derailing so much off topic is a waste of everyone's time and focusing so much on some random hitler example when you have the mental capability to make one yourself in less than a minute, but you let me down. It's just an example, it doesn't have to be perfect, idk what problem you have. Make some illusionary story with potatoes and carrots where carrots are not accepted by potatoes and potatoes make fun of carrots and the carrots get mad at potatoes and tell them they're gonna turn them into french fries, I don't care, it was my way to make it easier to understand why she was wrong in the first place for those of not such high intellect as yours. Yet, it's you who got stuck and you have not been able to go forward. Hopefully from this point on, after you consider the potato and carrots example I just gave you or you using your own beautiful brain to be able to make a comparrison yourself, will be able to return to the original topic and discuss whether she was right or not and argue to her defense or against me.

It was just an example, move on from it already god damn. This is so stupid.

"Overall, I agree, you can't blame the people who tell her it's wrong. It's their opinion which I completely believe they are entitled to. But you also can't say she's wrong for speaking her own opinion as well, or say that people harassing streamers are right."
That's it, just your simple opinion, see how easy this is? We agree that she was in the wrong from the start and deserves some backlash from it. As for any person having the right to free speech I believe that's perfectly acceptable and needed. I'm not saying she's wrong for expressing her opinion, she should have that right. That doesn't mean if you say something stupid as she did in the way she did you shouldn't receive backlash for it, especially when you happen to be extremely stupid rich. As for streamers being suggested to not play the game as part of the proceeds of this game will go to her, I don't think they should receive no backlash at all. They get paid doing this, there probably are sponsorships for it, many received review copies, and have expressed their ignorance for the situation at hand. To add more, WB made the game knowing what her comments were in the past, and that they'd have to pay her a royalty, and tried to hide away from the backlash by adding a trans character. You know this all isn't right.

I said this above somewhere using a hitler example, but if I knew I was going to buy a game where part of the money would go to stalin assuming he was still alive(I bet you love these examples), I wouldn't buy it. Why? Because I don't want to support stalin. The game could be amazing, it's irrelevant, money would go to fund this persons ideals or to give them confidence. If I was to stream said game, I wouldn't, etc. Just as simple as that, because indirectly I would be promoting something that supports stalin for instance, and maybe just maybe I'd be offended by that and I'd be upset knowing my favorite streamers would be willing to play and ignore the problems at hand all for even more money than they already make, especially because this one specific game isn't a necessity in their lives or jobs and they could 100% pick something different.

Now to give you the JKRowling version of it: but if I knew I was going to buy a game where part of the money would go to JKR knowing she does not accept the rights of trans people and she has influence over a large audience and what others believe to be right, I wouldn't buy it. Why? Because I don't want to support JKR agenda and beliefs. The game could be amazing, it's irrelevant, money would go to fund this persons ideals or to give them confidence that they are in the right. If I was to stream said game, I wouldn't, etc. Just as simple as that, because indirectly I would be promoting something that supports JKR, and maybe just maybe I'd be offended by that and I'd be upset knowing my favorite streamers would be willing to play and ignore the problems at hand all for even more money than they already make, especially because this one specific game isn't a necessity in their lives or jobs and they could 100% pick something different.

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The thing is, JKR said something people found stupid, they answered and told her she's stupid. That's where the confrontation should have ended. Between the 2 affected parties. The "hate" should not have trickled down to a company that owns the right to the intellectual property of one of the arguing parties, not to a game company that used the intellectual property to create a piece of art (if you want to believe games can be art) and not to people who bought said art and showed it off (not every streamer is a big time streamer who gets lots of money and ad revenue, most, like me, are just gamers wanting to share a game with a friend who lives far away).

If someone wants to boycott a game for whatever reason, they absolutely have the right to do it. They also have every right to tell anyone who wants to listen WHY they're boycotting the game. They don't have the right to berate and harass anyone who doesn't want to boycott the game and in fact doing so creates more harm for their cause than not. People have become sick and tired and angry at this specific trans community for doing it, and that will in no way help the trans community get more acceptance. In fact, that kind of action does more harm than what JKR said.

As for what she said: "‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud? " I'm a woman. I'm not a "person who menstruates". I am not a "chestfeeder". I am not a "birthing person". I am a woman. A transwoman is also a woman. JKR didn't say transwomen shouldn't be called women. She said biological women shouldn't be melted down to just the function of their reproductive system. JKR didn't make fun of trans people, she made fun of people who refuse to call women what they are: women. She also supported the point that not everyone who suffers from gender dysphoria is actually trans, and that for many of those, therapy is enough to help them figure that out. That not everyone who thinks they should be the opposite gender should have hormone treatment and surgery as soon as possible. Again, I have to agree with that, as someone who DID silently suffer from gender dysphoria because I thought I didn't have a feminine enough personality. I went through bouts of absolute agony, knowing that even if I had surgery, I would never have a functioning penis. Therapy helped me accept that there is no "male" or "female" personality and with that I could accept my own gender. If the solution for me had been hormone treatment or surgery, I would now be a very sad man, instead of a happy woman. I've read through the whole breakdown of JKR so-called transphobic ideas, and none of them say "I hate trans people and they should all die". In fact I get the feeling that she's very much accepting of trans people, even trans women, but that she doesn't want to have actual men pretend to be women (and call themselves trans) just so they can go into womens bathrooms and changing rooms. She doesn't have a solution to the problem, only complains about it tho.

These are just my 2 cents tho. JKR has absolutely no power over me, and in fact she has even less power than most people seem to give her. She's an old woman who happened to write a hit book series but hasn't done anything worthwhile since then. She's a has-been and she REALLY has no power. She's too much of a feminist for men to like her, the LGBTQ+ community despises her, and women just think she's too much of a weirdo to care about her. If you want to kill JKR, stop talking about her.

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I don't disagree with most of your points of view, since they make sense. But this could be one of many interpretations of how people feel regarding the subject, people who maybe are not as lucky as you to have found a safe haven, people who maybe can't afford to go to therapy or have certain procedures, etc. and of course many bad actors who just want to make more drama.

I'm not trying to speak for all trans people as if everyone is exactly the same, as I understand some will look at this and understand she's just being stupid like she has been for a couple of years now, which would be an outcome that I wouldn't disagree with either.

I can also see how targeting her alone could make sense to some. However, while it is just a game, and WB purchased the rights to make said game, there are a few things to consider. No matter what you do, as long as you as you purchase a brand new copy of this game, in some form of another, part of your money will go to JKR. It's inevitable. She owns the rights to the entire franchise, and she receives royalties for everything sold using her works. WB has already distanced themselves from her, but regardless they still have to pay her for this, for every single copy sold. They can't go around that. They did also add a trans character to attempt to minimize damage, which many articles found lackluster. I haven't played myself so I cannot see for myself what they mean, but it isn't just one entity saying it wasn't satisfactory. WB was also aware of her past controversies, so it's not like they didn't go into this, knowing her past. I said this before, but they could have made their own wizard game, separate from the Harry Potter world. However, they picked this because it would generate them more profits, despite any backlash. They knew it.

As for the streamers, there are many who have expressed their ignorance towards trans people, and how they don't care about the situation, they just want to play the game. I can see why some would be upset, as there are many streamers who have received review copies at no cost, on top of that you have twitch broadcasting advertisements for this game, which were paid for by WB, this is just a guess, but I assume there are sponsorships or twitch bids(of course by wb) to promote the game to people, whether watching the trailer, or playing.

Considering this information and more, I personally didn't find it upsetting that after her comments, she received backlash from it, and people attempted to boycott wb's game since she makes money off it. If she has the right with her huge following to spread her anti acceptance messages to the world, why can't those people tell her to leave them alone? I don't understand that. Why is it worse that they are doing it, when they are single individuals who I believe its safe to say are not all top of the 1% and they still have to work, many in environments they aren't accepted in, and chances are they can't afford the same luxuries she can, like vacations. therapists, and more, but she, a multi millionaire(in the hundreds of millions, maybe a billionaire already), who can afford all these things to relive stress and has none of these worries in the world and has the opportunity to learn about others better than pretty much any other human on earth, why is it acceptable for her, just because we associate her with being dumb. Why is it okay to profit on this despite the circumstances, and why is it okay for streamers to do the same, many of which make incomes many times what a normal person does.

Did the situation escalate? Yes. Could she have apologized, yes. Did she make even more comments to try and justify herself? Yes. Am I really more upset at trans people for boycotting the game, over an almost billionaire for expressing their ignorance? No. Do I think it's justified they are upset? Yes.

For reference, I'm not trans, I don't have a twitter, I have a twitch but I don't use it, and I haven't made any comments like spoiling or boycotting or anything else regarding this to anyone. Even here I doubt I said to anyone not to play or advise them to boycott or something. I'm just saying all things considered from my point of view and understanding, I can see why they are doing this. It's not like they woke up one morning and they were mad for no reason.

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You say streamers CAN'T be ignorant about this issue, but you forget that the world isn't made up of just the USA. I'm not american, I'm from Finland. I had no idea what's going on with JKR and why people hate her because she hasn't been of interest to me whatsoever. Neither is american politics, which, as much as you'd want to disagree, this matter actually is. Every country has their own laws and reasons for the laws with regards to LGBTQ+ matters. Many (my own country included) are lagging behind in changing the laws, some are way ahead, some cultures will absolutely NEVER accept such a thing as trans people in female changing rooms etc because it goes so much against their culture. But you can't expect a european or african or asian person to care about what's going on in the USA, what rights people have or don't have over there, since we have absolutely NO way of affecting any of your politics.

You claim that JKR can influence billions of people around the world with her words, but that is simply not true. There's economical barriers (ie, can't afford a platform to read said comments), language barriers, age barriers, interest barriers, culture barriers etc. JKRs words alone is not enough to sway a pro LGBTQ+ person to suddenly turn against them, just as a person who is ambivalent about it won't change their mind just because SHE says it. We are much less influenced by people online than people we meet in real life.

We don't know what JKR intended with her comments unless we ask her specifically. The problem is, when some people have made up their minds, they will not change it, no matter what. They will not forgive JKR, especially if she says THEY'VE misunderstood her, even if she says SHE didn't say it correctly. Maybe my interpretation of what she said is wrong too. I looked at the whole picture, knowing she's a radical feminist, having seen her tweets both supporting trans people and explaining why she's not okay with certain things (like "transwomen" ie men pretending to be trans, entering womens changing rooms or american toilets with fucking huge gaps above, under and around the doors [like seriously, wtf is up with that?!] because you and me both KNOW that there will be men who will take advantage of that thereby ruining it for real transwomen). And you're right, not everyone can afford therapy, especially not in the USA. That is another issue americans need to work on.

As for WB and the game.....why shouldn't they be allowed to take advantage of an IP they paid money to use, just because the author said something that SOME people took as offensive? As I said, it is absolutely right for people to decide to not buy the game, no matter their reasoning just as it's absolutely anyones right to BUY the game, no matter their reasoning. It is also the right of WB to make the game, no matter their reasoning, whether it's money to stay afloat in this economy or just a love for the Hogwarts world. As for the game itself, I'd say it's actually one of the most inclusive games I've seen so far. There's women of all ages, men of all ages, trans people, straight people, gay people, black people, indian people, middle eastern people, asian people, blondes, brunettes, gingers with lots of freckles, nerdy people, cocky people, irritating people, cool people, complex people. The game is full of exploration and puzzles and wonders. If supporting the game company that made the game also means giving a small amount of money to a weird bigot, then so be it, the game devs deserve it and it will NOT make or break trans rights, no matter what people say.

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I don't expect you or anyone to keep up with every single piece of news, however if you are made aware of it, and then choose ignorance because you just don't care a transphobe will profit from the support of this game or want to profit yourself from this situation, I'm inclined to believe you are somewhat in the wrong. If you want to say something to defend yourself for it or justify yourself, that's fine, but just because you willingly plead ignorance after being made aware of these things doesn't mean they don't exist, happen, etc. Even more so, I never told you or anyone not to play the game. I just expressed my belief that it feels justified for them to complain to JKR, because she is the one that started this whole mess. I also don't have a problem with them complaining to WB about it, as the company was aware of her previous controversies and still went ahead and made this game, despite knowing they will have to pay her royalties since it's her work, and in order to try and minimize the damage they rushed a trans char in the game when they could have just made their own idea and game for a wizarding world. As for the streamers, they get paid from multiple avenues and they get provided with free copies of the game, and even after being asked to not play the game on stream, too many have expressed their ignorance to the issue at hand and did it anyways. I can see why people are upset about that.

As for her influence, and saying some people don't know English, you act like there's not influencers in every language who would translate this, or as if google translate doesn't exist. For your reference "Harry Potter has sold more than 450 million copies and has been translated into at least 88 different languages – not all authorised – including various Braille versions, Latin, and ancient Greek (it is the longest work published in ancient Greek since the 3rd century AD).". Apparently she can reach quite far.

As for "JKRs words alone is not enough to sway a pro LGBTQ+ person to suddenly turn against them", you are obviously wrong unless you are claiming not a single person complaining about this to her, wb or streamers is pro for or part of said groups. That just doesn't make sense. Unless you meant an anti person, but my wording stands either way. No one's going to come out there and say JKR told me to be like this. People enjoy thinking they have free thought. One way or another you are influenced by things. Some will be influenced more or less, some by this, many more wont be influenced by this, regardless, some will.

"We don't know what JKR intended with her comments unless we ask her specifically." Maybe you don't know what she intended or refuse to do so, but don't worry she made more tweets to justify herself, and a whole thread on her website about it. It is English so you might have to translate it, but it's readable. If she didn't mean that, she could have apologized and said my bad these weren't my intentions, but she didn't, and that's maybe more so why it escalated so far.

"We are much less influenced by people online than people we meet in real life.". I don't disagree that this applies to me, but I also think this is really wrong. Too many people let themselves be influenced by influencers. If people would barely get influenced by these online people as you so claim, I don't believe advertisements would be a thing, and streaming wouldn't be a job. However, part of their job is to influence you to buy something, and if you take this example, assuming people get influenced to buy the game, from ads, reviews, streamers, etc. then they'd be paying royalties to JKR herself. As for not being effective in influencing real emotions in people, that's super ignorant to say, because we literally have a thread right here on some random giveaway from and you have your examples everywhere. It's not like this place is the complaint area for JKR. You're in the somewhere in a tiny corner of the internet with and it still reached you. This website has as of this moment at least"1,158,576" signed up users and it still reached you. JKR sold 388 x the SG population in just the Harry Potter books. I don't even understand how you got the courage to deny some people will be influenced by her words, or how you can deny these things. You act like everyone is just you.

Regarding your toilet example, no one wants that. Those aren't even trans people, so why are trans people taking the blame for it. So in JKRs opinion trans people shouldn't be accepted into our society because some people who aren't trans will abuse their rights to do harm. I mean, by that logic, all human kind should just not exist because there's bad people at every corner of life. None of us should be accepted then. So either we accept them, or we unaccent ourselves somehow. What other option is here? Discrimination against them specifically just so we feel good about ourselves? Why not rather push for trans inclusive bathrooms, biological female, biological male, and maybe private? Because corporations will have to appropriate spaces for them? Is this supposed to make me rethink my standing or? "Boo hoo the billionaires have to spend insignificant amounts of their money!" Sorry that doesn't make sense to me either.

"And you're right, not everyone can afford therapy, especially not in the USA. That is another issue americans need to work on." Unfortunately we got like a few other lists of things we need to work on before that. Like, affordable healthcare, equal pay, workplace conditions(even though we don't compare to china on this), etc.. This is a capitalism problem, because we just take take take and take, and return almost nothing.

Unfortunately, I can't wholly agree with your last paragraph. I see your point of view as it's not that big of a deal worth death threats etc, and I agree with that(even though they wont result in anything anyways and we know it, if they did, then I'd have a serious problem with it), but wb is already a very successful brand, it isn't like their lifeline was hanging by this thread. They have the money to either delay and reshape it into their own unique game, but they continued. They also made this conscious decision knowing her past. So from the start it was going to support her. It's not like they got caught in the middle of finding out she was a brand risk. They knew she was. I do however agree in the sense it's just a game, but once again, I don't myself find it a problem that they complain in many corners of the internet so their voice is heard, someone JKR reaches thousands with one tweet. My whole point was that I don't find them to be at fault for going after her or her business deals, after she started the whole thing by going against them. It's eye for an eye. It's not like they were successful anyways right? Like people seem so upset over hearing x is getting canceled etc. But how many of these x's have quit being online forever because of this? I don't know of one myself. How many people who started the fight and received backlash ended up hurt specifically for this reason, I again don't know of many (someone earlier did point out someone who was accused for no reason and canceled for no reason and ended up taking their life, and that is extremely unfortunate, and I can't believe no justice was brought by anyone towards the person that accused them first), but again, it's not the same because the victim here didn't even start the fight. But how many of these cancelations have there been? Thousands, a lot more? Generally people getting canceled just continue with their lifestyle and that's the end of it. Statistically cancelations are extremely unsuccessful. I can't blame these people for at least voicing out how upset they are about this, knowing in the end it will not change anything to make their current situation better.

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Sure they are justified in complaining to JKR and WB. They're NOT justified in complaining to streamers, especially the smaller streamers who don't actually get money for streaming, who don't get any free games or anything free at all. You must only be watching big streamers, when the truth is the vast majority of streamers are small or mid-sized who at best get a few hundred dollars a year for streaming. I know, because like I said, I'm one of them.

You also missed my point about JKRs reach. Just because her books are translated to many languages, doesn't mean her "transphobic" message is. The Harry Potter books didn't talk about those things at all, after all. Most people who love Harry Potter actually don't care about JKR at all, they just like the HP brand. A person who doesn't speak or understand english well, wouldn't actively go look for Rowlings twitter messages and translate them, unless they were super fans of her specifically.

JKR didn't say that trans people shouldn't be accepted into society, not at all. Neither did I. That's just a leap people make nowadays, this whole "all or nothing" mentality or "you're either with us or against us". It's clear the solution isn't to just let people who look like men into a changing room where little girls can run around naked. No parent wants that. The better solution would be individual changing room stalls and good, well covered toilet stalls. Apparently they have those in Belgium, where you go into a changing stall, change and then go out the other door. No one is even blaming trans people, it's just a loud minority of trans activists who say "oh, you won't accept ME because of something someone else might do?" The reason trans people seem to take the blame is because the vile predators that DO take advantage of that actually CLAIM to be trans. How do you differentiate between a real trans person and a fake trans person if we have to accept anyone who says "I'm trans" at face value? What are the standards we need to follow to separate the predators pretending to be trans from real trans people? Is it even ethical to demand a trans person to prove that they ARE a trans person? THAT is what JKR is questioning, the fact that she doesn't just want to accept anyone claiming to be trans at face value and risk letting a predator in (who isn't a real trans person but claims to be one) to spaces where women are vulnerable. At least that's, again, how I understand her message.

As for WB, they aren't doing well financially. Even after merging with Discovery, they're in a huge amount of debt. They shut down a lot of projects (they scrapped a lot of DC movies, for example) and channels across the world. They can't afford to not take advantage of one of their biggest and most profitable IPs just because the Ip owner is a cunt. The great success of Hogwarts Legacy will help them out a lot.

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Do you not understand what an example is? It’s a comparison. Whining b-b-bUt iT’s eXagGerAted!!11!!1 doesn’t excuse your shitty example moron. Don’t blame me if you don’t understand what an example means, it’s on you to educate yourself out of your ignorance.

I never said an example has to be one to one. What an example has to be, however, is being similar enough to the original in order to illustrate your point. But the entire crux of your eXamPle is utterly and completely wrong.

See you seem to think that just because

Hitler complains about Jews -> Jews are discriminated against

Means that

JKR complains about transgender individuals -> more discrimination against them

Except your child-like understanding of history and how people work means that you forgot some key factors that render your example useless.

(Hitler has an ideology that involves removing “inferior” peoples from Germany) -> (He gathers power through the Nazi Party) -> Hitler complains about Jews -> Jews are discriminated against

JKR complains about transgender individuals -> nothing happens because she has no plan, agenda or ideology on top of having no power.

This is completely ignoring the fact that your entire example hinges on a slippery slope.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR EXAMPLE IS EXAGGERATED, IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU CLOWN🤡🤡🤡🤡

And obviously you were unable to understand the point of me talking about “influencers”. The reason they’re relevant is because sponsors target channels which they think will have viewers who will be interested in their product in the first place. YouTube will also link keywords in ads to keywords in videos you are watching. Ads don’t show random ass products the influencer chose, they’re all products that are relevant to the viewer. An advertiser has a limited budget and will therefore only target people they know will have at least a passing interest in their product because otherwise it will be money wasted on people who don’t give a shit about what you’re selling.

This matters because JKR’s audience isn’t interested in what she has to say or actively lashes back against her opinions. A sponsorship, advertisement or similar is only effective to the degree that the listeners and watchers are willing to buy the product or in this case the idea. But none of her audience wants anything to do with the idea which is evident from the amount of backlash she is receiving. Maybe if she was an author famous in hardcore religious circles or people on the periphery of believing in the idea of transsexuality, she might be harmful. But she’s not and therefore has no effect.

No, you derailed the topic. If you just admitted you were wrong instead of being so stubborn, this wouldn’t have happened and YOU wouldn’t have wasted everyone’s time who replied to you while I at best only wasted your time. Either way, people in forums often use Hitler as a comparison justified or not to get attention. If you don’t want attention, use common sense and don’t talk about Nazis, you dumbass.

Yes indeed, move on from it already. Admit the example was wrong like an adult instead of whining like a petulant child.

See the reason you and I keep disagreeing is because you don’t understand the meaning of “freedom of speech.” Freedom of speech entails a freedom of consequences for speaking your mind. Sure, you should expect people who are equally entitled to their opinion to speak up against you if they disagree but you shouldn’t have to be worried about being repeatedly harassed. That’s not freedom of speech.

And no. I don’t know that this isn’t right. In fact the only one who think this isn’t right is you. And you’re not the moral epicenter of the universe. This is another fundamental misunderstanding you seem to have. Your opinion is not inherently correct and JKR is not inherently wrong. You just have different opinions and both of you should be allowed to speak it without expecting harassment and streamers should be allowed to stream without expecting harassment as well. It is extremely arrogant of you to assume that your morals are somehow superior to everyone else’s. Give up your God complex and come down to talk to the rest of us like a normal human.

You should be able to understand that your examples concerning Stalin are irrelevant if you understand that your morals are not absolute. Sure, you can be upset at someone for streaming a game that supports someone you don’t agree with but that doesn’t give you the right to harass them.

And don’t bring up Stalin or Hitler if you want to stop wasting time like you claimed. That will just light a fire under everyone’s ass.

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Damn you're so mad you had to call me a moron. Imagine not being able to prove me wrong and being so fixated when can't use your brain to understand how examples are used for like 6 posts straight, then complaining to me I'm not willing to give you some free education and 7 years from home so you don't rage when you can't convince someone else you must be the right one in the conversation.

Look at you, you're so off topic cause you have nothing else going for yourself.

"Hitler complains about Jews -> Jews are discriminated against Means that JKR complains about transgender individuals -> more discrimination against them
(Hitler has an ideology that involves removing “inferior” peoples from Germany) -> (He gathers power through the Nazi Party) -> Hitler complains about Jews -> Jews are discriminated against
... blah blah blah .. JKR complains about transgender individuals -> nothing happens because she has no plan, agenda or ideology on top of having no power."

Did I ever say JKR wants to remove trans people, no, it seems her agenda is to fight against trans people being referred to as their identity, woman or man. Nothing happens my ass. It's like you've never heard of a group of people being ignored, disregarded, shut down, excluded in your entire life. What hole do you live in?

As for these examples not working together, I don't understand why. Both people are doing something to oppress another group of people. I completely agreed that hitler was much much much worse and JKR is not committing the same exact deeds as hitler. We established that a long time ago(even though you really struggled with this one). However, while hitler used his power to opress jews and had a much larger influence and was a lot more direct about his intentions(hence why I specified it's an exaggerated example), JKR too, who is in a position where she has a huge influence and a large following, is expressing her views of unacceptance of these people wish to be included in our society, all with mockery and attempts to claim she loves and stands with them, whilst refusing to accept them.

While people complain shes getting canceled and its unfair for her, if even one single person gets hurt whether by themselves, or by someone who agrees with JKR's words, then JKR herself is to some degree responsible for canceling someone, as someone got inspired by her words to a certain action, and as we already discussed, chances are nothing is going to happen to her, as in general, nothing happens when one popular individual gets "canceled" because it never really works. So it is highly likely that trans people will suffer more from this, despite having to already deal with some of this stuff already, because lets be honest, we're in the process of including them into our society, so the last thing they need is some rich full of herself person with every opportunity in life to tell them to change, when JKR herself isn't willing to accept said people, who are in much worse positions than she will ever be. Considering all that, I mentioned how I believe it's reasonable for them to also complain back at her and her sources of profits, if she has the right to complain at them. I just said it's fair game, actually more in their favor, because she started it.

And look at you, you lost your shit over this and some example you just couldn't move on, when you could've just said "I highly disagree with you" and that would've been the end of it. You yourself keep going to these examples that bother you so much, when you could simply ignore them and we could have nicely discussed the issue at hand. That's not what you wanted, you actually expected to come in and somehow convince me you are right and when it didn't work out, you lost your shit. Did you see me do that? I'm completely fine with you not agreeing. I have a hard time understanding as to how and why, given that I've explained to you how she started all this in the first place, and who is more likely to suffer from this situation more, aka the trans community and not her. It doesn't matter though, we could've just disagreed.

"you’re not the moral epicenter of the universe. This is another fundamental misunderstanding you seem to have. Your opinion is not inherently correct and JKR is not inherently wrong. You just have different opinions and both of you should be allowed to speak it without expecting harassment and streamers should be allowed to stream without expecting harassment as well. It is extremely arrogant of you to assume that your morals are somehow superior to everyone else’s. Give up your God complex and come down to talk to the rest of us like a normal human."

  1. Did I claim to be the moral epicenter of the universe? No. But you can prove me wrong, when did I say that? You made me the moral epicenter of your universe in your eyes. You can't blame me for that. Is it my fault you decided that for yourself? No. I'm not even famous with like 450 million copies sold, so I myself am confused why you are so obsessed . So not sure why you would attach those words to me. I just made a post in this thread like everyone else. Sometimes you just need to learn to let it go, We can discuss it a bit and if me and you disagree it's completely fine and we can chill. But you didn't want that. You wanted to change me, and got furious when it didn't work. Relax, breathe, calm down, it's just a conversation between two people who actually have no influence.

Also, I don't think my morals are so much better than everyone elses, I just expressed my belief that if someone is being attacked, they have every right to defend themselves. Just because I don't agree to your opinion or belief on this topic, doesn't mean I believe my morals are the only ones that are right. I considered your point of view and expressed already how to some degree your point of view isn't completely flawed(like expressing how I am against actual physical violence, and how it was maybe too late for wb stop making the game), however after overall considering the whole situation from both sides, your point of view to me falls apart more than the current standing I have on the subject and I find myself more in favor of the trans community who has been dealing with this for many years, than a multi millionaire, a billion dollar company, and streamers who are well enough in life.

  1. Do you see me going to other people's posts and telling them they're all wrong and going on a full rant as to why they're wrong and never give up? No, I'd eventually say something along the lines of "I disagree with your point of view" if we didn't productively move forward and get a little triggered when they insulted me afterwards for no reason.

  2. I don't disagree people should be able to share their opinion. Sometimes your opinion isn't considered right or acceptable for today's standards, and naturally you will receive comments against your opinion. I mean streamers don't have much of an argument saying "I will play this game regardless if part of my money goes to fund a transphobe, or if I influence people to buy this game knowing part of their money will go her as well". The people have told them exactly that, "if you play this game you are supporting a transphobe.". They couldn't stop them from playing and know that influencers also receive sponsorships for these games.. It just escalated because streamers are upset someone had the audacity to point that out. It's like a rich person problem. How dare any peasant tell them they're funding a bad cause. Same with wb making the game knowing her past, same with twitch putting out adds knowing where the revenue is going. There's no excuse for JKR's opinion and there's no point in explaining all that again and again and again when it's in my main post and like another 20 times in here. At this point even I am bored of saying the same shit for the 45th time. Like I get it, we disagree, that's cool, can we stop repeating ourselves?

As I mentioned before, as much as I grew up and enjoyed harry potter, it's not more important to me to play the new harry potter game right now versus ignoring it knowing part of the money goes to that person. I believe I even said if I manage to get it extremely cheap or preferably for free, I might eventually play it, years from now when maybe this whole situation cools down and trans people are in a better spot.

Lastly, you need help. Take your meds to cool down, smoke something, or eat edibles, whatever. But spare me of your attitude if you can't behave like a human with at least 7 years from home. Grow up. Replying the way you just did means you understand deep down you lost your argument, but you have too much of an ego to accept the reality of it, and so you get mad and start with insults and go full denial. I'm not that bothered being called said words, but rather upset you don't have the decency to argue without them. Like how am I expected to reply to that. Am I supposed to say thanks for spending all this time arguing with a moron like me, you highly intelligent being who could've just disagreed with me like 2 days ago and just moved on knowing you weren't going to change my opinion anyways. I never tried to change yours, I just explained myself, and that got you fuming. Imagine exploding because you can't defeat a moron in an argument when you think of yourself as such a highly intelligent being and you're so confident you are right. I mean, I don't know about all that.

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This didn't fit in the word count(ouch), its supposed to be above the "Lastly" paragraph.

"You should be able to understand that your examples concerning Stalin are irrelevant if you understand that your morals are not absolute. Sure, you can be upset at someone for streaming a game that supports someone you don’t agree with but that doesn’t give you the right to harass them.
And don’t bring up Stalin or Hitler if you want to stop wasting time like you claimed. That will just light a fire under everyone’s ass."
I don't understand what using hitler, stalin, jkr as examples have to do with morals, so if you'd like to elaborate by all means. They're just analogies, not 1 to 1, there's too much variation to life for you to get 1 to 1 comparisons every time. While I appreciate your suggestion to not bring hitler or stalin up, or maybe your suggestion to not use them in examples, I honestly don't give a damn about your suggestion. I only mentioned hitler once in my original post and stalin once in another. Every other reply concerning them was due to people asking about it, and ignoring the topic at hand, basically only derailing off topic. That isn't my fault. You ask about it, I reply to you about it.

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Are you a child? You call someone a moron when you’re mad? I think most people above the age of 12 would use far harsher language, not that you would know 😂 I’m just enjoying the discussion we’re having. Plus I mean you’re the one writing comments that go over the word limit. So…🙄

I think you should look at yourself. You’re the one who keeps responding to a closed case because your stupid ego can’t handle the fact that you’re wrong. I can stop talking about your example YOU brought up in the first place once you stop whining about it.

I literally wrote “discrimination against transgender individuals.” Maybe you’re the one with reading comprehension problems and are just projecting? Who knows…

I hate bringing this up because I sound like some reddit retard but you are a prime example of Dunning–Kruger effect. You think I “struggled” when in reality it was you dreaming things up. But I digress. I cannot believe you still don’t understand after I spelled it out for you. Heck, you even managed to spell it out yourself! Well done for that, it must be a big day for you! JKR is expressing her views whereas Hitler used his power to accomplish a goal he always had in mind. Any result that comes about because of JKR saying something is on the person who acted whereas the blame for Hitler’s actions falls squarely on his shoulders because he used his political and organizational power to do so. Of course, Hitler’s actions also caused other people to act like JKR but this is a smaller side effect of the propaganda he utilized.

Also you can in fact not like a part of someone’s beliefs and still accept them. A child (like you) may dream of becoming a garbage (you) truck driver whereas their parents want their kid to be a lawyer. The child's parents can disagree about the child’s dream but still love and accept them.

Yeah people can complain. No disagreement there.

🤡🤡🤡🤡 Did you think before writing that? Because the same applies to you really. You could say the same thing “I highly disagree with you” and move on LMAO. But considering you keep replying instead of admitting you’re wrong and moving on if you think this is a waste of time, I think you’re the one who lost their shit.

I think you’re taking an internet discussion too seriously considering how much you wrote and how fast you replied. This is all for fun isn’t it? If it’s not you can just leave instead of getting your panties in a twist and replying to literally everyone in the thread. Take a piece of your own advice and relax instead of waiting for my words. Here’s to hoping you reply in a reasonable timeframe this time.

If you do indeed realize your own morals are not absolute then I don’t understand why you stand for the harassment of people. Not all streamers are doing well in their life and working for a large company or being rich doesn’t mean you deserve to be mentally assaulted. Only by believing that these people are so far in the moral wrong can you stand for their harassment. Otherwise you would simply stand by the trans community and not justify harassment.

If so you should really consider taking out snide remarks. That really makes me want to respond in kind.

You literally said you don’t disagree that people should share their opinion. Doesn’t matter if streamers got upset or banned someone or whatever, it should not have escalated beyond words.

Again, you repeatedly act like your morals are the only correct ones and don’t seem to understand that you’re doing it. It’s not wrong for TERFs to express their opinions, it’s not wrong for companies to want to make a game about Harry Potter and it’s not wrong for people to play those games. It’s only wrong for you and a small radical element of the trans community. The vast majority of people are simply playing the game and enjoying it whereas sensible trans people are dealing with what they actually know are cases of discrimination against them instead of the words of an author who has turned her entire fanbase against her.

I mean sure. If you want to keep bringing it up. You just seemed quite upset that you had to keep replying and that the discussion was growing longer. Maybe you’re just a massive tsundere like Bete (that is danmachi right?) and you actually love me and want to keep the discussion going.

Lastly, you need help. Take your meds to cool down, smoke something, or eat edibles, whatever. But spare me of your attitude if you can't behave like a human with at least 7 years from home. Grow up. Replying the way you just did means you understand deep down you lost your argument, but you have too much of an ego to accept the reality of it, and so you get mad and start with insults and go full denial. I'm not that bothered being called said words, but rather upset you don't have the decency to argue without them. Like how am I expected to reply to that. Am I supposed to say thanks for spending all this time arguing with a moron like me, you highly intelligent being who could've just disagreed with me like 2 days ago and just moved on knowing you weren't going to change my opinion anyways. I never tried to change yours, I just explained myself, and that got you fuming. Imagine exploding because you can't defeat a moron in an argument when you think of yourself as such a highly intelligent being and you're so confident you are right. I mean, I don't know about all that.

I don’t really care to reword that. Really applies more to you and your projection. If you don’t really enjoy arguments on forums then stop. Quit. or get help if you need to. It’s okay, you can do it. YOU don’t need to explode at me. I’m just someone enjoying a hobby. If you don’t like it you can stop anytime.

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You say that she hates trans people though I dont believe that is true. She disagrees with trans ideology which i a big distinction to make. I don't think its good to equate those two. Personally I don't believe the world is flat yet I don't hate flat earthers, I just think they are wrong. I see no indication of JKR being trasphobic, she just has a controversial opinion that isnt as mainstream anymore. Its not like she is advocating for violence or to kill them.

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Maybe I'm a little harsh in saying she hates it, but at least from her twitter posts I can say she ridicules these people, and shares her opinion that reach millions as to her belief that these people are basically delusional and that their belief and rights shouldn't be acknowledged. You are correct, I don't think she ever herself said she hates them, but I don't think it's too far off.

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I don't spend time on twitter so I'm interested to know in which twitter posts she makes fun of trans people. Seems to me she takes the subject of trans rights pretty seriously and has given it a good bit of thought.

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So I don't clutter this thread more, please refer to her first tweets about this, not her attempt to justify herself and not apologize instead.

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I'd like to know what tweets you consider to be ridiculing. If you can't produce them, that's fine. I really don't think posting a few links would have 'cluttered up" this thread any more than your reply has.

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This must be it keep in mind I am not a Twitter person too
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/complete-breakdown-j-k-rowling-173000961.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ayoA0OMtL4

After doing a bit of searching, I am still in the dark on how what JKR has said/tweeted makes it okay for some to justify bullying and harassing people who play the Hogwarts game.

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Wow I'm amazed how many people struggle with technology nowadays. It started with her saying "‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud? " It continues from there with her rants and replies to people. Her tweets aren't deleted so yeah.

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Haha the snobbish part of you has been completely released now.
Feeling superior?
Guess who else felt superior?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4McUzXfFI

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Snobbish part of me huh, look at your comments. Hypocrite much? I'm just pointing out, that if you can't even find the tweets, or deduce that what she said was wrong after reading them, you honestly have no place in this argument, because you're not even willing to do your own research which takes like 5 words on google.

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Typical of your type
"Agree with me or shut up!"
Sadly you missed the 2 links I posted above which shoot your whole reply out of the water It is clear that your whole answer was plainly just an emotional reply.
Again typical of the type.

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I'm amazed at how you dodge reasonable questions. Again. I didn't ask for your help with that darn google machine, (so complicated!), but which tweet you, yourself considered ridiculing of transgender people. So is that the one then? If so, I'm interested in what way you think this tweet is making fun of transgender people for being transgender, because that is what you have implied, above.

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I found all of them offensive, the first one being the one where she tried to insensitively make a joke out of trans people. I didn't dodge the question, I legitimately assumed you don't know how to google, or that you are ignorant. First she started by disregarding trans people wish of being included in said group, then she went on her agenda to try and argue her point, even claiming to have trans friends and how much they mean to her and how much she understands the trans community and is with them, only to continue being ignorant to their needs, and then she replied some dumb stuff to people trying to be funny. She was extremely insensitive overall. She could've apologized, she didn't and that's why it escalated.

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Didn't ask you which you found offensive. I don't even care.
Your answers here are rambling and deliberately vague. I simply want to know exactly what she said, that, in your estimation, constituted ridicule of transgender people.
This is a position that you have maintained persistently on this thread, but it seems you are unable to substantiate it. You've got nothing.

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I give in I'll quote you the tweet you somehow haven't seen.

‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?

"If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction. If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isn’t hate to speak the truth."

"I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them. I’d march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being trans. At the same time, my life has been shaped by being female. I do not believe it’s hateful to say so."

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

You can go down to her replies as well as I've provided you a link to her twitter. This time it started with the first quote I provided you, although if you'd like you can research her other controversies. She's been doing shit like this for many years now.

I have provided you a link with all these like 22 hours ago btw, it's 2 posts under.

I dislike how you call my replies here rambles because you maybe want to pretend the issue doesn't exist, but you failed to do 5 minutes of research and see what she said and why people are upset over a timeframe of almost 2 days, despite you being so interested about this topic.

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So, just for those tweets... according to you... YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, insults, death threats, rape threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends just for being related, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game... are justified. In self-defense, of course.

WOW

Like,

WOW

I'm done with you. You support cancer culture, I support free speech.

Let's agree to disagree.

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I believe more trans people will be hurt by people who are inspired by rowlings words, even if she doesn't like it or support violence or harassment herself, than those threats will ever hurt her or her family, just my guess. Once again, she started it, so backlash wasn't unreasonable. Not only that, two other people mentioned that many times it's other bad actors who will take advantage of a situation to do something bad and so it falls onto this cause, so that is also a possibility.

I support her free speech too, I never said I didn't, but she said something stupid and earned that reward for it. Nothing happened to her so far, so she could definitely say more stupid things. Actually she has said many stupid things over the last few years, and you can research them.

I think it's justified that they don't let her trash them, yes. Do I like the situation myself, no, but she's doing the same thing to them. Just because she's saying what she's saying without using specific words you prefer to associate your terminology with, doesn't mean she herself doesn't know what some people who follow her will do. Plenty of trans people will actually suffer from her words, they could suicide, hurt themselves, be hurt by others in various ways, cyberbullied by others, harassed by others online or offline, many of these things they already have to endure when all they seek is acceptance, you just don't recognize that. It is more important to you, that these people are upset at her, rather than her or you accepting them, and her apologizing for her actions, and it's more important to you that streamers ignoring their rights just to play another game, can play another game, knowing who and what it supports.

Yes, in this situation I support her being canceled. We established that a long time ago. Part of free speech is that it enables others with free speech to challenge your views, and I support that. She said what she wanted with free speech, these people say what they want, using free speech. No one out of those thousands of people have actually done anything to her, but I'm inclined to believe that at least one person who supports her views has in some form of another hurt a trans person already.

I thought we've deduced a long time ago that we disagreed. You already know that's perfectly fine with me. I was just stating what I believe after considering all parties overall. If you would've made this comment originally we could've not made all those off track useless comments. It's completely fine to disagree with me, likewise, I too disagree with most of your views regarding this topic.

I did wish to make my previous last reply to you my actual last and I generally don't break that commitment but I had a hard time resisting this comment you made(Congrats, you got me!) so instead I shall make it this one and I apologize for reopening my comments to you. I did feel like you have earned a more proper closure since unsurprisingly you said nothing relevant last time and chose to reply to this instead. Your current post was the best you have made so far in this thread. Good job! This time it's the last reply I will make to you in this thread I promise. Take care.

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I was reading news about people obsessed with hating JK Rowling and shaming and attacking everybody that played this game, even sending death threats to streamers, and then those SAME people were playing this game.

Hold down, I thought, let me see...

You sir, are an hypocrite.

You support cancel culture, you support YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, rape threats, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game. You support every action of trying to suppress this game... You say that buying, or playing this game is money that goes to JK Rowling and "her agenda"

BUT YOU HAVE THIS ON YOUR WISHLIST!!! IN other words, people on Steam can see that this game is one of the more wishlisted game ever, because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

YOU ARE SUPPORTING JK ROWLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are even entering every single giveaway of JK Rowling that I have found. You have even entered more giveaways of this game than me.

Are you going to say that you aren't paying for it? It doesn't matter. You are still wishlisting. Let's say that you win this game, and play it. People will be able to see it in your achievements. People will notice how many people are playing it, how long, etc. You are still adding to the population growth of the game and engagement. Have you seen trailers of this game? Pffffffffffff.......

If you were really bothered by her views, you would stop entering giveaways for it, and you would simply boycott it. But you won't. You will still be entering every single giveaway of this game. You are simply virtue signaling, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/virtue%20signaling the act or practice of conspicuously displaying one's awareness of and attentiveness to political issues, matters of social and racial justice, etc., especially instead of taking effective action

Man, I am disappointed of you. I thought you had your views, wrong, and anti-democratic, but still you held firm to them.

But you are just an hypocrite.

Oh well, since I don't hope anything bad of you, I hope you win the game and enjoy it.

Your wishlist

A giveaway you entered

Another giveaway you entered

And another giveaway you entered

AND ANOTHER giveaway you entered

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Ah shit here we go again. Why do you keep replying to me accusing me of things for no reason and asking for my reply? Haven't I already expressed my intention of not wanting to keep wasting time with you? Like can we stop already? Just say something simple and end it, stop accusing me of extra things so we can focus on the actual topic. I understand your existence revolves around vilifying me, but I'm not that special. I'm flattered by your obsession, what do you want, a poster or a naked calendar of me? We agree to disagree, isn't that what you said? Let it go already Elsa.

Have I said I support those things? No. You want for your personal gratification to add words to me to vilify me because you're unhappy with my stance to defend said groups rights.I just said I believe it's justified that if she can do this to them aka spread her words of denial of their rights to her fans others who will in turn treat trans people in the exact way you are concerned for whatever reason only for your queen JKR, then I believe it's justified they use the same approach. It's an eye for an eye situation. I expressed how I wish this didn't happen at all, I did say she could've just not made her comments, if she didn't want that backlash. She knows what she's saying, she knows it's offensive. Why is it not okay to receive backlash when you share and argue for your belief that happens to be non inclusive of a group of people, even more so when you are in a position of power.

As for my wishlist, I have 2971 products on my wishlist. If you see my op at the very top, it will literally tell you that I will be avoiding this game, however if I get it for free(so what if I enter giveaways for it, isn't that what I said at the top? It upsets you I manage my points well on this site or what?) or at a can't refuse low price, that I would be willing to get it and play once the situation cools down and trans people are treated much better. It was added long before I was made aware of her comments. However after I was made aware of her comments, I have changed my schedule, as I don't believe it's more important for me to play this game right right now, rather than stand with the people being oppressed by these comments. Do I claim to not have a slight of hypocrisy in me? No. I'm sure I wrote in my first post how I was a big fan of the series growing up. I didn't express absolute hate for the game alone, you're just making that up to justify your agenda. I explained how I see it reasonable that they also complain to her, or her sources of profit, since she's doing a similar thing to them.

As for winning it for free or getting it at a ridiculously low price and playing it years from now after trans people are much more accepted and JKR becomes even more obsolete than she already is, I don't see the problem. So what if I end up playing the game eventually, so what if people can look at my achievements and stats and look at my profile. I wouldn't be adding to population "growth" because by the time I ever get to play it, this game will be as dead as the old harry potter games. I don't have an influence on a large group of people, I'm wouldn't be generating no money from playing this game, aka I wouldn't get sponsorships, revenue from ads, promotions like twitch drops, and I wouldn't spread onto others to play it. Of course I've seen trailers of this game, and gameplay footage, again, I added it on my Wishlist last year in like july, before I was ever made aware of this drama. JKR made her original comment in 2020 sometime, but I don't follow her or every single individual on this planet. I'm made aware of an issue, and I believe I'm responsible to take some sort of stance, hence why I haven't played it to this day, despite being a much bigger fan of the wizarding world than you think. My long time wish to finally play this game wasn't more important to me than their rights.

"If you were really bothered by her views, you would stop entering giveaways for it, and you would simply boycott it. But you won't. You will still be entering every single giveaway of this game. You are simply virtue signaling, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/virtue%20signaling the act or practice of conspicuously displaying one's awareness of and attentiveness to political issues, matters of social and racial justice, etc., especially instead of taking effective action"
I have never told you not to play it. I've just explained to you that if you do play it, especially during this situation, you are participating against said people to some degree.

If you actually learn to read eventually in your life, I've only just said that looking at this from both sides, it's okay for me if they do this to her, because she's doing the same thing to them. I've also stated my intentions to not play for a long time, and how I would only get it through a free means or at a very cheap price. You knew this 20 posts ago. You have nothing else? If that's how you feel that's fine, it's your opinion, but you could've said this a long time ago and I would've countered you anyways. Just my assumption, but you realize you never had any point, hence why you avoided the topic, and hence why you resorted to attacks to my persona, rather than try and counter argue me.

I don't care for your disappointment, I didn't even ask what you care about. You're the one rambling to me. I'd just prefer you'd stop already trying to falsely accuse others, and instead talk about the main issue. This is just too much for you. You simply don't comprehend that. You are not capable of comprehension. How do you think I feel, when I keep seeing your lies and repetitive ignorance left and right? Do you think I find this a valuable conversation at all? I don't mind if you disagree with me, but at least do a decent job at it. You are being pathetic.

Why is this always about me having to defend myself and not my argument, and you never want to discuss the original topic? Like why is this whole thing some sort of an attack on me, but you don't want to discuss the original post? I don't mind, but do you think you have a strong argument for yourself when you can't address the main problem here or prove my main concern wrong, and instead go to personally attack certain individuals? Do you think you're convincing me of how right you are with this? Imagine if all I said too is "look at your funny nose, look at your nose, it's a funny nose." Would you not assume I need help? What impression do you think you give me right now, when you are unable to discuss the main topic here? Let it go.

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"JKR becomes even more obsolete" She is not obsolete. She has one of the biggest games of the year, maybe the biggest, selling like hotcakes.

You are discussing that you support canceling JK Rowling. You have given over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, a million reasons why you feel like supporting canceling JK Rowling

At the same time, you are not willing to bother yourself a single second in not getting Hogwarts Legacy. "I've just explained to you that if you do play it" as you are eventually going to do

And whatever you say, it doesn't matter. You are trying to get it, because you want to play this "luxury item" as you yourself said it.

That's both hypocrisy and virtue signaling.

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I think its safe to say she lost a lot of the relevancy she once had, and the more she says things like she has over the few years, the more people will disregard her reach. It will just take time.

I didn't say she was completely obsolete so once again stop adding words to my own, I'm just pointing out she's not close to her highest anymore. Part of the reason why she wasn't saying this stuff when she was at her highest, because it would slowly tank her like it's doing now.

"At the same time, you are not willing to bother yourself a single second in not getting Hogwarts Legacy. "I've just explained to you that if you do play it" as you are eventually going to do" I legit specified twice to you already, that if it happens under certain conditions I will play it. My OP states I agree that these people have a right to defend themselves. I never claimed I was going on some crusade, but I did express my support for these people.

To say I'm not willing to bother myself a single second in getting this game, after I stated multiple times I'm avoiding this game at least until the situation calms down, and trans rights are in better respected. If I was showing no restraint to get the game, I would've already finished it by now. What do you think prevented me getting it so far, money? At least look at my steam account. I have single items worth hundreds of dollars. I have explained to you, that it wasn't more important for me to play this right now, vs supporting the rights of trans people. Doesn't mean if I play it years in the future under certain conditions such as getting it for free, or for like $3 I don't support their rights from that point on or from the past, means the game will be dead with a small amount of players making it irrelevant to the cause anymore, especially since I wont play it till trans identities are more accepted, case in which, the trans community will by then be treated a lot better. If they are treated properly, then why should I or them be against this game anymore? If they receive proper treatment, my withholding from this game servers no purpose. Aka, hurry up with your behavior change, and get JKR on board, as your lord is waiting to play it. Irrelevant to me if it takes a long time.

Remember what the op is about, I have stated that if she supports canceling trans people, then I support the trans community right to fight back and cancel her and her avenues of profit. To me, it is fair game. Stop twisting my words. Say them in quotes from now on, unless you want to admit you are falsifying information just to be hateful.

You happen to be a really evil, wretched being for continuing with these false accusations and harassment. I am sorry for your mom, family and friends, or anyone else who will have the misfortune of engaging in communication with you. Yet again you have ignored the topic at hand, only to push your negative agenda. Congratulations.

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If you enter the giveaways that somebody else paid full price, it's the same as ordering to kill somebody, and then acting innocent. Doesn't matter if you get it today, and then wait 100 years to play.

"You happen to be a really evil, wretched being for continuing with these false accusations and harassment" For these insults, I am done talking to you. I still find you a hypocryte.

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"If you enter the giveaways that somebody else paid full price, it's the same as ordering to kill somebody, and then acting innocent. Doesn't matter if you get it today, and then wait 100 years to play."

What, that makes no fucking sense. I do not spend a dime on it if I receive it for free. Someone else has already acquired the game one way or another and they will give it to someone regardless, the money was already spent, and none of it was mine.

""You happen to be a really evil, wretched being for continuing with these false accusations and harassment" For these insults, I am done talking to you. I still find you a hypocryte."

Wait so you attack, insult and harass me like 50 times in a row and fabricate lies to push your agenda all while dodging the actual topic , and then when someone points out what a evil, wretched being you are for doing so , you are the one that's upset?! "Boo hoo" learn to treat others with respect then. My words stand. Your personality disgusts me.

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Fine, I will talk to you one more time to explain, since you apparently don't even understand, before blocking with EGST so won't see what you write anymore

You seem to think that just by writing more, or the last thing you win, or whatever. After I block you, I won't even read you again

You are like that swiss banker that got a fortune selling the belongings of jews that got killed and then said "The jews are already dead. The belongings were going to be sold and somebody was going to make a fortune. So, why not me?. But, hey, listen. I am SUCH a good, fantastic person, and I am SUCH a friend of the jews, that I am going to wait 20 years after the dead are buried to make use of all that fortune. But that time the state of Israel is already there, so nobody will be bothered. And, I am SO going to enjoy that fortune".

Now, say whatever you want for the last time, since clearly you are itching to say one last thing.. I am not even going to read it, anyway. I can't stand anymore your virtue signaling and your hypocrysy.

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Such nonsense. You continue to pretend that I don't know how to use the internet in order to once again deflect a direct question regarding your own beliefs and allegations, evidently because you have no answer. You even go so far as to link back me a link that I originally posted to you. (I still wonder if you even read it - TLDR?)

Ok. You continue to fail to support your claim that JKR ridiculed transgender people with this tweet. I don't see ridicule of trans in this tweet. Please lay out just exactly where the ridicule occurs and why you think it targets transgender people. Thank you

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I've linked you 3 of the quotes and provided you with two direct links above your posts, even if you ignored the link right below. What do you mean I have no answer, I literally quoted these 4 posts above. Now it's my fault you don't want to read? Come on, you're derailing like others in here.

As for what I found to ridicule them, it's the "‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?" and then "I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them. I’d march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being trans" and more from different quotes. Expressing her love, support and understanding for trans people just to immediately stand her ground that she wont accept them. Also, what was yesterday's standard isn't todays standard as well, so people who menstruate could be trans males, or biological females. They don't just all fall under woman, as of course part of their desire of being accepted into society, and literally their entire identity is that said people identify as women or men, not everyone who menstruates identifies as a woman nowadays. So to suggest that's what they should be called regardless of their identity, to promote this belief to millions of your supporters and going on a full rant to justify your non acceptance of said people despite having the audacity to claim she has trans friends, and loves and understands trans people, is ridiculous and ridicules them in my opinion. Her first post regarding her opinion of trans people, the "People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud", could have been said many other ways to not try and make a joke out of it. She knew what she was doing, either way expressing that view when you are in a position of power is inconsiderate.

If you don't find this all offensive just for a start, not even considering her blog post or her replies to people, that's fine. However I just expressed my belief that if she can say that about them, knowing some of her followers and others with bad intentions will be more inclined to harass, hurt, etc. trans people, then I think it's completely justified for them to tell her what they did and to slam WB and streamers who will be ignorant about all this, knowing she profits from all this. Hence why I said I don't see them as being the ones in the wrong first. It's Rowling who started this, and made it worse, so them defending themselves to me is ok with me. I don't see why their comments should go somewhere hidden in the trans group of reddit where people who don't support trans wont even go, but JKR is the one that has the right to post to everyone worldwide. I think they have just as much right as her to use their free speech to reply to her. If she's bothered by it and sees a ton of backlash from it, chances are she's probably wrong? The same applies for WB or the streamers who play this, knowing the situation. By publishing or playing the game, especially to a large audience of people, knowing the situation, you take a stance against said people for the idea of playing a game because it will generate more views, nothing wrong with the trans community defending themselves. Twitch is at fault too, because they forced advertisements of this game I believe on all users. So they had a deal with WB as well, knowing the implications.

I did also point out some things I disagree with, like the website to track streamers, which was badly coded and it would sometimes show people who never touched it. Of course too I showed my disagreement in actual violence, but just calling out for it, doesn't mean anything happened, it's not like they can just Avada Kedavra her over the internet, and chances are if something would happen, it would be a bad actor who probably wanted to do it before this even happened.

Like the individual who all of a sudden turned trans to be switched to a female only prison. Just someone taking advantage of the trans community. Rather than people discuss people abusing trans rights to do this or in other ways, they twist it around to portray something bad towards trans people, as if they wanted that too, if they didn't want this to happen, they should just give up on their identities and be a certain way to satisfy the requirements of a non inclusive society?

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Hmmm. I need to weed through this word salad and see if I can discover an actual answer to my question.
Okay, so
People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?
I see no mention whatsoever of transgender people in this sentence or any evidence that she is addressing this remark to them.

Clearly the focus here is rather on women, and she takes exception to the idea that they should be reduced to a simplistic terminology that describes a single biological trait. There is mockery here but it is directed at the authors of the article she has cited which is concerned with the global health problem of women/girls particularly in disadvantaged populations around the world during the pandemic. Again, there is no evidence that this is directed towards transgender people. If you can produce some, please do so.

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Of course you need to insult my writing for no reason. I'm not impressed or bothered although it raises questions. Your words define your character, so if this is how you treat others when you want to disagree with them, at least it shows others you are uneducated or don't have basic decency for yourself. Since this is your preferred method of communication, I might indulge since it's now on the table, but I'll try to refrain. Proceed however.

"I see no mention whatsoever of transgender people in this sentence or any evidence that she is addressing this remark to them."
I genuinely hoped you'd take this seriously. You've read that entire line, and couldn't make the connection to trans people. What else did it mean to you? Which groups of people do you think are implied in her words, and who do you believe this was all about? Like tell me exactly what you think that meant and what concern it was referring to. Why do you think she's upset that biological females are referred to as people who menstruate in this article? Maybe it has something with trans people and inclusivity. I don't know, you tell me.

Why am I even replying to you? You're just here to waste time and space, you already have your opinion set in stone, it's not like you're actually concerned about this or wanted to debate my original post, you just want to be act like a brat because you have nothing better to do today or tomorrow. I'm supposed to take you seriously? See now why I linked you the posts and told you to use google? It's not like you were open to the discussion in the first place, you just wanted to contradict everything from the start, so you could've said "I disagree with your opinion." and that would've been it.

I mean I'm no fortune teller, and I know not everyone had the same opportunities as me to learn English, but even someone as uneducated as me who writes word salads could deduce her post shows disapproval and makes mockery of the avoidance to use a word that is not inclusive of trans people rights who wish to be referred as their identity. I apologize that I assumed someone who deciphers my "word salads" would be capable of seeing at least that much, but it was my mistake to take you seriously. I did so since earlier when I told you to google said subject you were unreasonably upset someone would question your abilities to use the most popular search engine and expressed your desire for specifics, and so I gave in only for you to show your unappealing nature, again.

I hope after you manage to translate this word salad you would be so kind as to elaborate for me what was so difficult for you to understand in the the previous post, or this one. To make sure I'm specific, I'm not interested in what you disagreed with, but rather what text could I have written that had you so perplexed you might have died of hunger. Most people who have replied to me don't seem to have had that issue, so maybe you're just allergic to reading.

PS: I believe I should note, that what you find offensive, and what I find offensive, or what other people find offensive, are different things. Hence why you got a large group being offended right now, and a large group not understanding what the problem is. I myself, obviously find it offensive. If you don't and disagree, that's your deal. My post wasn't on whether I find it offensive or not, since I found it offensive from the start, I just stated that if someone attacks you first, I believe you are justified to attack them back in defense. That's it. It is completely normal for two people to disagree on a subject. You could make a post yourself and disagree with these people ,and I would disagree with you in a more appropriate way than you have done so far.

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Whoa. I think I needed a nap after reading all of that. Sometimes, you know, less really is better. Why can't you employ just a bit more economy in your replies and stick to the question at hand?

Which groups of people do you think are implied in her words, and who do you believe this was all about? Like tell me exactly what you think that meant and what concern it was referring to.
I did. Please see my last paragraph, above.

Why do you think she's upset that biological females are referred to as people who menstruate in this article? Maybe it has something with trans people and inclusivity.
No it doesn't. It has to do with Women being defined by others. It doesn't matter if those others are men, trans or space aliens, you don't get to do that. Women are not obliged to change how they refer to themselves to include or satisfy the demands of any group of people - and especially not when they find that term diminishing. If you were a woman (and I know you are not one) you would understand this and you would be better equipped to interpret Rowling's remarks from that perspective.

I am hoping that you can now understand why I repeatedly asked you that question (not for internet help - just stop it already). I wanted to find out exactly what it was that led you to infer from her statement that it was a direct attack on trans people and to the exclusion of all other intent.

PS It's really up for debate just who was offended first here.

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"I did. Please see my last paragraph, above." Then we disagree. That's completely fine with me.

"No it doesn't. It has to do with Women being defined by others. It doesn't matter if those others are men, trans or space aliens, you don't get to do that. Women are not obliged to change how they refer to themselves to include or satisfy the demands of any group of people - and especially not when they find that term diminishing. If you were a woman (and I know you are not one) you would understand this and you would be better equipped to interpret Rowling's remarks from that perspective."

You are correct I'm a man, not that hard to know considering I have stated in this thread that, my sexuality and you can see my name on my steam profile, not really detective work right there. Technically by your standards I should have the same opinion towards trans males and yet I don't. Not only does it not bother me, I also believe It's not their fault that we grew up dividing people and opinions What we considered normal 30 years ago is shifting to a more inclusive society as more and more people come out. You might feel different about it. However If that is their identity, does the definition of a word changing bother me, while there are still others to describe my biology? No. No one forces you to do anything, that doesn't mean you can't be seen as negative for not being inclusive or refusing to do so.

"PS It's really up for debate just who was offended first here." I don't think so. If we can take it as a fact JKR was the first one to express herself regarding this, it was her who got offended first at a specific phrase and later clarified she is against it, hence why she was transphobic, then trans people got offended at her being transphobic and non inclusive. I don't know if that's up for debate. I don't know how you could have an unbothered person comment about how they are bothered.

"Whoa. I think I needed a nap after reading all of that. Sometimes, you know, less really is better. Why can't you employ just a bit more economy in your replies and stick to the question at hand?"

Naps are good, enjoy them, helps with memory retention. I only shared my thoughts after I looked at this situation from all points of view. Imo, if she can say that about them, they are right to say that about her. if you would like to make this simpler, can we agree to disagree and move on? Or is that unacceptably short?

Anyways, take care.

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I really don't know what point you are trying to make here.

Technically by your standards I should have the same opinion towards trans males and yet I don't. Not only does it not bother me, I also believe It's not their fault that we grew up dividing people and opinions

What "standard" of mine are you referring to? What "same opinion"? Why can't you be more specific in your replies?

However If that is their identity, does the definition of a word changing bother me, while there are still others to describe my biology? No.

So glad to hear that you are not bothered by words redefining women and imposing on them how they must refer to themselves and understand their experience. Nice of you. But your opinion is not relevant, because you are not a member of the group and you don't get to speak for women. Feel free to propose alternate definitions for Men, if you like.

So clearly you have not looked at this from all points of view, because it's pretty obvious you have no clue how women might see this and even when I try to point that out, you conveniently ignore it.

And again, because you just don't see it, you missed my inference, which, to spell it out for you, is that women were the first to be offended here and Rowling was merely defending their right to be called what they chose.

I do enjoy naps. The rest they provide can help one collect thoughts together into a cohesive argument. Finally, nothing Rowling said about or was imagined to have "implied" regarding the trans community merited a response of unrelenting death threats.

Yes, Good day to you, sir.

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Thank you. Looks like you managed to extract an honest answer to my question.

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https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=jk+rowling+tweets

The first link has a good resource for you.

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I love how you make a terrible comparison, and instead of admitting that it was a stupid thing to say, you double, triple and quadruple down on it. You are not making JK Rowling look bad, you are making yourself look bad and downplaying how terrible Hitler and the Holocaust were. Shame on you.

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If only I had used words like exaggerated and intensity to point how they're not on the same level and further explain how the intention of it was to make it easier for those who struggle to find a lesser, more toned down thing can still be offensive, only for people like you to treat it as if it's the same thing, the come and blame me. More so, I even said if this is too extreme for you, imagine hitler at the beginning of his journey when he was spreading his agenda and gaining a following, before he actually hurt anyone, and imagine he wouldn't have hurt anyone himself, regardless it still motivated others to do so. I've read that when comparing hitler to stalin, stalin was much worse as in he actually participated in the violence himself and he was present many times, however hitler proffered to do it from far away. It's not like hitler himself hurt every person, but he inspired others to do so, even before he had millions of followers.

You are entitled to your belief and it doesn't bother me. It was an example, it's purpose to make it easier for those who only see things at the extremes, I told someone else in here to fabricate their own example using potatoes and carrots, where the potatoes are not accepting the carrots for who they are, and the carrots are upset about it. Just like the other person, you too use whatever you want, it still doesn't make it right. My whole point was to explain how its weird people aren't as bothered by what jkr did despite spreading her message to millions of people, but if a few thousands tell her she's evil for it, wow how dare they tell anything to her, however she can tell anything to them, because she's just that special and above others. It was meant to elaborate the hypocrisy of the people who side with her in the end and why I think it's justified they are upset at her.

You need to grow up, and learn more about reading and comprehension and to use critical thinking before you say stupid things. Shame on you for disgracing yourself like this, because you refuse to get educated.

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i dont think 600k even compares to the over a billion already has. Also they do have more than one choice, harassing people isnt the only choice. Maybe just common human respect and decency? Not everyone has the same opinions as each other and thats ok.

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I agree in a sense, but being nice doesn't work most of the time. A lot of people feel very strongly about this and I'm sure attempts have been made at different levels of intensity to express their concerns. Clearly it doesn't work since the game has again made many millions of dollars already, and is being played by streamers regardless of them claiming harassment, WB still published it, and jk rowling didn't apologize. So in a sense, even trying different methods of canceling or reducing the impact of this game or the author, has failed. Their voice is heard in articles everywhere, but their voice didn't change that people wanted to play harry potter over basic human rights. Sure, we got different opinions, but those opinions oppress people in many ways, such as portraying them as ridiculous, a joke, etc. People kill themselves over that. IJS, when I try and put everything together, I feel for these people more than for one single game. I could give that up.

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WB still published it, and jk rowling didn't apologize

so you are advocating for cancel culture? Why should they cancel release of a game or rowling to apologize?
Cmon, you will never get support to your cause if your only approach is "if you're not with us, you're against us"

My point is - stop being so hostile. You are making yourself and the whole group of activist a laughingstock. Racists, transphobes, sexists and whatever else, will never change their ideals (when was the last time you saw a guy wake up in the morning and suddenly go "oh damn, I guess I was wrong"? It doesn't happen.). But those who have no strong opinions whatsoever will only turn against you if cancel culture and harassments is your only viable strategies at getting your point across.

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I don't disagree with the cancel culture in this case. I suppose that's what I'm saying. It isn't really my cause, I take no actions really to support it other than this post here.

Why should a company maybe not make a game that supports a transphobe, or why should a transphobe apologize? I mean, how do you feel about a transphobe making money from a big company that chose profits and ignorance? I think that's what it plays down to. Are you not bothered by it, and if you are not bothered by it, it probably means you disregard these people's rights as being equal to yours, case in which, which side are you on?

"My point is - stop being so hostile. You are making yourself and the whole group of activist a laughingstock. Racists, transphobes, sexists and whatever else, will never change their ideals (when was the last time you saw a guy wake up in the morning and suddenly go "oh damn, I guess I was wrong"? It doesn't happen.). But those who have no strong opinions whatsoever will only turn against you if cancel culture and harassments is your only viable strategies at getting your point across."

Hold on, so because racists, transphobes, sexists, etc. will never change their ideals, it's completely fine to support their works and people should not really go against them as they wont change their opinion. But those people who find themselves in the middle not knowing which side to take, will end up support racists and transphobes before they support people who just want basic human rights?

I should specify since you keep associating me with this group, I don't participate in commentary about this at all in general, and again I have a twitch which I don't use, and do not have a twitter account.

It's not that cancel culture is the only option, the problem is, just saying this isn't right, doesn't fix the problem, and cancel culture at least works to some degree. Is it toxic? Sure, but it's not like there was cancel culture and then jk rowling was transphobic. Cancel culture came because she was transphobic. So it's a result of her comments. I'm just pointing out that I am not against people of these groups sending the same message to jkrowling,wb,or streamers that they got from them. Like if jk rowling is transphobic, I think it's fine for them to call her out. Whats the wrong in that, she might be upset, like "boo hoo multi millionaire lady is upset after she said something dumb.", someone take her side, she just wants to be transphobic. Really ? Like, honestly really? Please answer to this.

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Your saying the people who are just buying a game are oppressing people, not the people who are harassing them and threatening violence? I think we should be able to agree that harassment AND hating someone based on gender is wrong. But buying hogwarts legacy i not the same as oppressing people.

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I did say I myself don't support harassment, however these people are harassed for trying to be a certain way that doesn't hurt anyone. There's nothing wrong with that. Just a bunch of other people pushing their ideals on them. Leave them be and in time they will leave you be. If you keep harassing them, you can't complain they harass you back. It's like bullying people and suddenly crying cause someone bullied you. What did you expect?

Just buying the product doesn't mean you yourself harass someone directly, but you support someone who harasses others, so you are by association and ignorance, to a much smaller degree promoting someone that does this to others. Part of your money, will go to someone who will be stepping on this group of people. At the same time, a streamer has much more influence, and so they exponentially affect this persons reach and confidence.

This applies to many things in life, and some we can't help to some degree, like where we buy food, tech, materials, things for our living. Hogwarts legacy is entertainment, there's a lot, a lot of other games, so when you select this specific one, despite knowing what it supports, you're being a little specific, on the ideals that you support. You always hear about publishers treating devs like crap and people boycotting the games, etc. It's a similar issue except it has many other branches that connect to a group of people that are trying to get accepted into society. They're not hurting you by being trans. They're not asking you to be trans. I think it's completely okay to have an opinion to express your concerns or maybe even disagreement with it. But if you do it by making fun of them and downplaying their existence, I mean, you deserve the backlash.

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OK, so according to you:

You are, right now, writing this with a piece of hardware made in China. The chinese goverment is committing genocide according to the UN against the uyghur ethnic group, so you yourself are supporting the genocide. Moreover, the chinese goverment is heavily suppressing democracy and human rights in Hong Kong (besides China itself). But buying things made in China, you are clearly supporting the suppresion of democracy and human rights, besides the genocide itself.

Besides, you are using amazon services. Whether it's AWS or amazon itself. Amazon treat its workes like shit, and it makes all it can to don't allow them any labor rights. And, since you talk about Hitler, do you know where you can buy Mein Kampt, the book made by Hitler himself: In amazon.

Moreover, with supporting cancel culture, "cancel culture" is a nice way of saying 1. Threats, 2. Bullying. 3. Cyberbullying. For example, by sending death threats to this girl streamer. You are saying you support sending death threats to this girl streamer, and making her break up in tears.

And please, don't say "I don't support harastment", because that's what cancel culture is: Harassment. "We are going to recommend you to do this. If you don't listen to us, we are going go threaten you, send you death threats, bully you, till you listen. Because WE are the GOOD GUYS". It would be like Hitler saying "I don't want to kill jews, I just want to make them magically disappear in a lot of pain". Well, people don't just disappear, and people usually like to do the things they want unless they are forced.

So.... according to your own perspective, where a person bying Hogwarts legacy is against trans rights, you 1. Support genocide, 2. Support the suppresion of democracy. 3. Support of destruction of both human and labor rights, 4. Support HItler himself. And according to ANY perspective, you support sending death threats to this girl, bullying, harastment, review bombing, false tagging, online harassment, sending spoilers of the game on discord channels and subreddits, cyberbullying... You probably still think you are in the right side...............

Do you want to know my opinion? I never liked Harry Potter. Never did. Read all first five books, never liked them, had to see the movies to end the story, didn't even like the movies.

However,. the thing is, if I support the banning of the things I don't like, for any reason, I won't be able to say anything when they come about the things I support.

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You have a decent argument, and it probably depends on how you look at it at the end of the day. While the most expensive parts of my pc, aka my cpu and gpu are made in Taiwan(so not china), chances are most of my other peripherals are manufactured in china such as my keyboard and mouse for instance, and that's one of the problems that I can't really solve atm. If I was so financially stable that I could throw money left and right, you bet I would be much more considerate towards where my basic necessities come from, unfortunately not everyone has that luxury, maybe popular streamers do so I'd ask them where their stuff comes from, when they have millions of dollars to throw around.

However, since having a computer or a phone, or plates to eat on for instance, are not entertainment commodities for me, they aren't really things I could dispose off unless I want to go back to the rock age. and turn into an animal. You couldn't avoid buying products made in china if you wanted to, and it is the fault of the the leaders we have. Long term I believe this will change with products being manufactures in the usa, of course with prices rising. I thought I did mention that exception since it's basically unavoidable.

Hogwarts legacy to me at least is entertainment, I don't refer to it as a basic necessity. I would like to believe it is entertainment and not a necessity to anyone's life. I hope you will survive without having to play hogwarts legacy consistently for the rest of your life, as that seems like a pretty miserable life if you ask me, and again I do own many harry potter things.

As for amazon selling hitlers book, I would like to believe hitler isn't receiving royalties on it right now and pushing his agenda further. What year is it? Also, it is a new york company that's gaining money out of this, and the book itself servers as an example of what not to be or believe, and to show the crazy mentality that lead to what hitler became. Jk rowling's books aren't bad, so they couldn't be used in the same context, but she's not dead, and she is pushing her agenda, and amazon is still selling her content that she gets royalties on. So these cases are quite a bit different so the comparison doesn't really apply but you could try again with a different example because there are more. I mean amazon does sell products from china, which would've been a much better example.

As for supporting cancel culture, I believe that's completely wrong, as I already said I don't support it, but I can see why someone would retaliate that way, when basically being canceled themselves. JKRowling downplaying the existence of these people is basically cancel culture in itself. I highly doubt your 3 numbered options are the only things that pertain to cancel culture, as rowling herself has a huge audience and can use it to shun a group of people. So it was rowling who started with the cancel culture herself, which is why I don't believe she has any right to complain that she is being canceled(even though it doesn't work since she's so famous).

You use some really interesting examples as to why I can't say I am against harassment myself, however my entire thread is trying to explain how these people are harassed by her, and so I cant' judge them if in defense they have to harass her back. I don't support it I'm against it, but nothing else works for them right? Again, what would you like them to do, make a reddit thread and let rowling who has a huge audience keep looking down on them, for no reason at all? Like what is your suggestion they should do? I believe they are in the right to defend themselves.

As for your paragraph starting and ending with: "So.... according to your own perspective, where a person bying Hogwarts legacy is against trans rights, you .... blah blah blah in the right side...............", like I don't get it, you're straight up trying to put false information in my mouth, as I said before, and you seem to not have the basic ability of reading, I partake in none of it myself, as I don't even have a reddit account, and I don't use my twitch. I hate to break it to you, but just being mad because you can't make a counter argument, doesn't mean you should attribute these things to me, when all I'm explaining is why I believe their retaliation is justified, because they weren't the first ones to initiate this conflict, it was rowling who initiated this, they just defended themselves, so it makes sense to me.

If deducing which party is originally at fault and why they are in the wrong and why it's not right for just that party to be the only one allowed to defend itself makes me those things in your brain, then by all means, you are entitled to your belief, but I hope you realize how flawed that is.

My complaints originally were that these people are being attacked, so they are in their own right, to attack back in defense. As for WB, they know the author has a controversial past, and they still went ahead with it, knowing they will have to pay her royalties from the profits of this game. To try and minimize damage when this happened, they rushed and added a trans character, like they couldn't have done it originally if they disagreed with her and wanted to make a point, which is despicable because regardless she would make money out of it anyways, and as for streamers, many have received review copies and support, in order to promote this game to others and coerce them into buying it , knowing part of the money from this game will go to someone with a massive reach who has no problem saying things that hurt people and doesn't have the decency to apologize for them.

"Do you want to know my opinion? I never liked Harry Potter. Never did. Read all first five books, never liked them, had to see the movies to end the story, didn't even like the movies." Honestly I don't really care for your opinion, but I can definitely say it's a little questionable how someone who didn't enjoy reading harry potter 1, went ahead to read the second book, not enjoy it, then go ahead and read the third book, not enjoy it, then go ahead and read the fourth book, not enjoy it, then go ahead and read the 5th book, not enjoy it, then go ahead and watch the 6th movie, not enjoy it, then go ahead to watch the final chapter of the series in two more different movies, and still not enjoy either one of those. From this information I can deduce that you are some sort of masochist, right? I can't imagine who would do this to themselves. My guess is that you're a big liar. Maybe blink twice if you need rescuing.

"However,. the thing is, if I support the banning of the things I don't like, for any reason, I won't be able to say anything when they come about the things I support." Depends what's more important to you in this case, as I said somewhere in my replies already. Playing this game knowing that proceeds from it go to harassing people who are trying to fit into society and being okay with that, or making the choice for yourself if you believe these people's rights are more valuable than this game and staying away from it at least until certain measures are taken. Also, of course you can say anything you want about things you support, if you believe you are in the right and it's the right thing to do, there's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. Be strong and believe in yourself. After all, no reasonable being would make fun of a group that is trying to get accepted in society and downplay their existence, sometimes all that just for the joy of being able to play a video game right? Right? No one would be that kind of person.

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"As for amazon selling hitlers book" Conveniently ignoring the terrible working conditions of workers of amazon. I could give you a thousand examples of books going to terrible people, or royalties going to terrible people. And clearly you DON'T need amazon in your life to survive. You use if you want because it's convenient. Period.

"and the book itself servers as an example of what not to be or believe, and to show the crazy mentality that lead to what hitler became" Whatever makes you sleep at night.

"From this information I can deduce that you are some sort of masochist, right? I can't imagine who would do this to themselves. My guess is that you're a big liar" It's Harry Potter. It was a huge poltersgeits then. I was curious.

"proceeds from it go to harassing people" Like, dude!? Is she funding an army to kill trans or what?

"If deducing which party is originally at fault and why they are in the wrong and why it's not right for just that party to be the only one allowed to defend itself " He insulted me. So I took a shotgun and killed his family. Totally justified mr judge, I swear.

Her opinion is basically, "trans rights are humans rights (her actual words). You have the right to feel a man, woman, or whatever you want. But having a penis and calling yourself a woman don't give you the right to go to women-only places". You may disagree, but sending her death threats for that opinion, personally going to her home to threaten her or to attack her, or sending death threats to anybody that buys her books/buy her games... I don't know. It sounds over the top.

"why I believe their retaliation is justified" So you support cancel culture? I mean, it's easy, either you support free speech or support cancel culture.

"So it was rowling who started with the cancel culture herself" No, it wasn't, actually. She just gave a like a person with an opinion like that. The harassment started then. It would be like a girl playing a game, like Hogwarts Legacy, and then starting a harassment campaign, including death threats, bullying and attacks against that girl for playing that game, including feeling satisfied when that person breaks into tears.

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I'm not ignoring the terrible work conditions, even though I heard they got a lot better, I'm not much of a amazon supporter but I have bought on amazon if it helps your agenda, mostly things I couldn't get anywhere else, except directly from china for much less, yet I avoided that as much as I could due to what we talked about above Like for instance I've ordered specific parts, yes I technically assuming I didn't need to use money to survive, I could go buy a $2000 3d printer manufactured in china and learn how to model and print my own parts where available at least. Between the two evils I had to pick the lesser one right.. As for the employees some of these jobs are necessary for some people(maybe) or at least some people are willing to sacrifice those working conditions and work there despite all that, so I'm not necessarily blaming the employees, but I do think the bald guy is evil yes. I think all ceo's are. The whole idea of being a ceo is that you manage to screw someone over and profit, or am I wrong?

"Whatever makes you sleep at night." What, are you suggesting that everyone who bought this book is instantly a nazi? Some people get this to research for psychology research for instance.

" It's Harry Potter. It was a huge poltersgeits then. I was curious." Okay we both know this is bullshit. No one reads 5 books and watches 3 movies after not liking the books one bit. Do you do this with everything in life or was harry potter the holy grail of your experiences? Someone punches you irl, so you say punch me 7 more times, I don't like it but maybe I'll enjoy the next one. You eat rotten food, then you're like damn, didn't enjoy the first 5 meals and I'm really sick but I'll try it at least 3 more times, the next one might be delicious. No one is going to take that seriously.

"He insulted me. So I took a shotgun and killed his family. Totally justified mr judge, I swear." Wait she died? Can you link? I also agree she shouldn't have been killed over it. RIP J K Rowling ~ quijote3000. Again, stop bsing.

"So you support cancel culture? I mean, it's easy, either you support free speech or support cancel culture." I'm not saying I support it, I'm saying I understand why they retaliated that way. It makes sense, someone tried to cancel them first, so they retaliated by canceling her(not that they succeeded.

She shared her biased belief with the world by making fun and downplaying their existence and what they stand for, knowing she's in a position of high reach and power. People got upset since they don't want our worlds role models to be the ones that try and shut others down. I still think it's justified. I respect your decision for thinking it's not, but it's not like you're going to change my mind like this. She started it, she didn't just wake up with a trans at her house assuming her opinion on the subject, she wrote it for billions to look at when she can reach many millions just of her fan base. She has influence on what someone should believe in, after all she just so happens to be the author of one of the most successful series in the world, and her audience has a high number of people whos minds are still deciding on what's right and wrong.

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"I'm not saying I support it" - Except everything else you say clearly means that you support cancel culture, including all the death threats, bullying and harassment.

Let me ask you simply, with a yes or no. Do you support cancel culture, YES, o NO?

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There's no such answer to your question, it's not a yes or no question, and you know why so stop playing this dumb game of omg there's 1 solution to everything in my life. Of course you can't agree with me, because you're extremely biased to your one belief and cannot take a few minutes of your time to question yourself what would you do on the other side. I'm sure if you were trans and someone told you that you didn't exist and didn't deserve t hose rights cause that is their belief, you'd probably just accept it and from that day on you'd be whatever someone else tells you. You'd just listen to whatever someone else tells you. Right? Because of course you have considered how these people must feel when they are being ridiculed by people who claim to love trans people like j k rowling. She has so much love for trans people that she can't even accept them and she has to try and make jokes of them to explain her point. She must be right because she's the writer of harry potter.

Do I support it? No, but I can see why someone being attacked has every reason to resort to cancel culture, and I believe it's acceptable to use it as defense.

How many people, streamers, politicians, etc. have died of your so called specific definition of cancel culture? How many of those people didn't say anything controversial to earn a negative response from said people?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicides_attributed_to_bullying
Cyber bullying is never acceptable regardless who it is.

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exactly, hence why j k rowling should not have done it. What they are doing is wrong too, but lets be honest, you think if a random poor trans sues jkrowling they could eventually win? No, because she has enough money to drag them from court to court for many years, while these people would lose their jobs, get unhealthy, etc. So she's in a position of power and abusing it and cyber bullying trans people, and so, I personally don't mind if they do it to her to protect themselves.

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So the other day this really agressive shit of a person went ghost riding on the other side of the road in order to speed things up for him and then when the lights turned red, he forced himself in front of me.
You know what I did?
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Absolutely nothing cuz I am a normal person!

So JKR is a liar and a not so nice person to trans. Store that fact away and carry on and trust that other normal people are doing the same.

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Lucky you, I guess that "agressive shit of a person" isn't posting it for millions on twitter and youtube to get inspired and motivated as to how to portray and act around you when they drive next to you. Imagine having to ask millions of drivers to let you on the road too and they all treat you by not acknowledging you. "What are you? Why are you even here? You are wrong, and don't belong here". Maybe you'd hate driving if every time you drove on the road and just did your normal thing, there's 60 cars who wont even acknowledge your presence on the road and cut you off every time you want to drive "normally". I assume that maybe would bother you. Maybe you'd be bothered knowing that asshole who cut you off originally is also profiting from this from various sources, all while making fun of you for being a normal driver! That might not be fun.

Also, in many places you can report their license plate for being a reckless driver, keep that in mind. I'm just saying.

But maybe I'm wrong and you're a masochist like someone else in here. I mean take quijote3000 for instance. He read 5 harry potter books, and watched at least 3 more movies, while not enjoying even a single one of them. So he read the first book, didn't enjoy it, read the second, didin't enjoy it, read the third, didn't enjoy it, read the fourth, didn't enjoy it, read the fifth, didn't enjoy it, then went ahead to watch 3 movies, all which he didn't enjoy. Maybe your scenario is like his, maybe you just enjoy being treated worse on the road and you don't even know it. As for trans people, maybe they're not all like you and enjoy to be treated worse, so maybe you shouldn't assume everyone is like you or fits in your narrow view.

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But that is the thing though, there are not 60 cars on each of my drives who behave like that.
99% passes/drives and behaves normal, the other 1% you can see them coming in your rear view mirror most of the time.
And honestly I dont care about them, I used to though. But the issue is that if you react too strongly, they become part of your permanent memory and those shits dont deserve that.
I guess I could react and battle back like you seem to think I should. But what would it get me.
Accident, wasting time for insurance, put the car for a certain amount of time in the garage for repairs and perhaps hospitalization.
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Reading your text it just seems that you are wayyy too much combative person.
Eh different strokes for different folks I guess.

I believe it is the same with being trans. The large majority of people is alright with it, and screw the others.
Lets be honest, you say millions of people but that is a bit much hyperbolic isnt it?
You know when I read about JKR's post, I thought what a simple minded person if she is truely transphobic like that.
I bet lots of others do so too, and the rest ... who cares about those fuckers.
I wouldnt let any of them ruin my day, it would be different if it were someone I knew well.

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This is the nature of the internet though. Since social media is accessible from anywhere of our known existence, certain people's words can reach billions, and they can transmit text back. Posting something controversial online, and then being upset over the backlash to me is just weird.

I also think that a large part of trans people will never even see this whole thing, and also believe there are a lot of trans who are much more mild about this and don't want to add more fuel to the flame and understand the author in question has said controversial things from the moment she got rich enough to not have to care about what she says.

That doesn't mean I don't agree it's justified for them to reply to her en masse telling her their opinions, or telling others not to play the game that she takes royalties on, or complaining to wb, who made the game knowing her previous comments, when they could've made an original wizard game, but they did it for profit, or when they added a trans char to try and minimize damage, or when streamers say things like "I don't give a damn about the situation I'm gonna play the game you guys should get it too.", implying they have to play this game so bad, more than they'd support another humans rights. I can see why they're upset and I think they are in the right for replying to jkr comments and attempting to prevent some of her internet presence as others will follow her lead and beliefs. That's all I'm saying.

I said this before, but I feel confident in saying that more trans people will hurt themselves or be hurt by others due to her comments, than JKR or her family would. It is just my guess.

Chances are she can afford a vacation anywhere to cool down and relax, can afford whatever expensive therapist, can afford an entire arsenal of people to fill any of her needs, can afford to buy anything she'd like, can afford to do the same for her entire family, and she's not stressed about how she's going to make ends meet with her current salary. If you compare this to a random any other human on earth, chances are you'll get someone who maybe barely scrapes by, and things like vacations or therapist are out of the question or rare luxuries, and they are already under a lot of stress. If I sound maybe a little aggressive, it's because I tend to be on the side of the poor fella, rather than go "boo hoo billionaires should be treated better" side. She could literally vanish from the internet and enjoy everything else life has to give, many of which she probably already has. So I don't think it's justified for her to come and act like this on twitter. She has the best opportunity in life to learn about others and be accepting of all people, but she refuses.

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"How many people, streamers, politicians, etc. have died of your so called specific definition of cancel culture? How many of those people didn't say anything controversial to earn a negative response from said people?" More than one. Innocent people, also, that didn't even say anything controversial. Alec Holowka, composer of Night of the Woods was accussed of abuse by known liar Zoe Quinn . He was hounded left and right, kicked from his job, payments from his job were withheld, suffered terrible harassment, death threats, online cyberbullying, he ended up taking his own life.

The thing is, he was actually innocent. The timeline of the twitter messages by the accusser, Zoe Quinn, proved that all the accusations were a lie.But it was too late. He wasn't alive anymore. The bullies felt very happy they had taken another victim, they didn't really care he was innocent, bullies just love to bully, then just went for a different target to bully.

"Do I support it? No, but I can see why someone being attacked has every reason to resort to cancel culture, and I believe it's acceptable to use it as defense" So You DO support it. Every single thing you have said it's in support of cancel culture. It's just that you don't want to see yourself as someone that supports death threats and harassment. Stop saying you don't support it, and then say you support it, dude. It's confusing.

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Wow, more than one. Pretty big number considering we've just hit 8 billion people on Earth. Still doesn't make it right, but my point was that it's extremely small, and the ratio isn't even 1% or 0.001%. Still doesn't make it right, but consider how unsuccessful this canceling method is.

As for Alec Holowka I remember it, and while it's an unfortunate event, it doesn't really apply here. I understand your need to push your agenda, but if I remember correctly, it wasn't him that posted to his own twitter, but someone else randomly accusing him. The difference with that scenario and this one, is that jkrowling has posted this on her own twitter, and she has a history of saying stupid stuff. They're not examples you can compare to each other.

As long as you understand I support it as a defensive measure, yes I do support it. Otherwise, you are on purpose adding false information to what I said and to that degree you are falsifying information. It's not confusing one single bit, I support it as a defensive measure. It's honestly like 5th grade English. It's not rocket science.

Yes, as long as it is used for defense, I believe it's perfectly fine to partake in cancel culture, which to me makes complete sense, as the victim/s have done you no wrong, so why should you be the only one allowed to cancel them?

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"but if I remember correctly, it wasn't him that posted to his own twitter, but someone else randomly accusing him" It was canceling a person for saying something aloud, or writing something on twitter, or writing a joke 20 years ago, or dressing up as something 30 years ago. There is always an excuse for cancel culture. Maybe he "raped" a person you admire? (he didn't). And isn't self-defense to all women to protect a woman from a rapist?

"point was that it's extremely small" Sounds like you are disappointed. Hate to say it, but A PERSON IS DEAD. Imagine how brutally devastated he was. Talking about it like if it was nothing... I hope I never in my life become the person that you are. Besides, there have been more people that have killed themselves because of cancel culture. Another person gave you the link, that you ignored on purpose. Even if other people didn't kill themselves, they may felt also destroyed.

"I support it as a defensive measure, yes I do support it" FINALLY YOU SAID IT. Congratulations. So we all know you support YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game. Good, at least we know where we stand.

"Yes, as long as it is used for defense"

Salman Rushdie was stabbed on August 12, 2022 by a Hadi Matar, muslim and supporter of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and for Shia extremism. In court documents, he claimed that he was "defending himself and muslims worldwide". So, in your own words, he was justified. Because Salman Rushdie had "attacked" first, writint the Satanic Verses. Or are you of the opinion that if someone attacks someone, they should just stay there and take it? Or only the people you support have the right to defend themselves? Don't muslim people have the right to defend themselves, the same as trans people? Or maybe you don't like muslims and say they don't have the right to defend themselves as they want.

On 7 January 2015, two French Muslim terrorists and brothers, Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, forced their way into the offices of the French satirical weekly newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris. Armed with rifles and other weapons, they murdered 12 people and injured 11 other. So, in your own words, they were justified. Because Charlie Hebdo had "attacked" first, writing a joke. Or are you of the opinion that if someone attacks someone, they should just stay there and take it? Or only the people you support have the right to defend themselves? Don't muslim people have the right to defend themselves, the same as trans people? Or maybe you don't like muslims and say they don't have the right to defend themselves as they want.

Are you going to say "killing is wrong?" Killing is wrong, but sending death threats, asking a woman to kill herself, cyberbullying, continuous online and IRL harassment for years, even harassing her friends and family just for being related to her is OK? You have said over and over that it's justified as long as somebody, anybody, feels it's self-defense.

Now, let me ask you three questions:

Do you support men changing genders and competing in national/international sports? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you

Do you support men changing genders and going to women's prisons? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you.

Do you support men changing genders and going to women-only, places? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you.

"which to me makes complete sense, as the victim/s have done you no wrong, so why should you be the only one allowed to cancel them? " Please send me her words when she was "hating" and "oppressing" or "making fun" or "cancel" (your words) of trans people. Please, don't send me people writing about what she said. The EXACT tweets, please. After all, you are trying to justify YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game.

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""why I believe their retaliation is justified" So you support cancel culture? I mean, it's easy, either you support free speech or support cancel culture. "

What on earth were you thinking when you wrote this sentence?.. Seriously.. This is the most illogical sentence maybe in this entire thread and I've read waaaay too many bs

But this bad.. Because you are confusing some veeery basic things

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Dont forgot the line
"I don't disagree with cancel culture this time"

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Sure, like I don't believe it is right if you're the first one to cancel for no reason, but it's jkrowling who attempted to cancel them and then they went back to her. Like boo hoo poor j k rowling. Of course I don't care about her why would I?

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It's kinda.. contradictory to speak about something that "doesn't exist". I haven't read every comment etc (and frankly, I don't really care to do this, no need) of hers but they are making anything else than cancel her.. If only, they made her more famous than she already was and to an audience that didn't knew her so well or had forgotten her. What she said and 1 million heard, now half the planet has for no reason at all.. Basically, the way this happened, it had the exact opposite effect of what they wanted to do..

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Sure, in the scenario that you have to defend yourself, it's completely acceptable to me. I don't see why it shouldn't be. Are you of the opinion that if someone attacks someone, they should just stay there and take it?

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Not sure if this comment is for me, looks more for codasim

If you are indeed asking me, I believe that every situation is different but definitely someone shouldn't "just stay there and take it". I find this situation more pointless than anything else and it didn't really raise any awareness. Too few read more than they already knew or too few changed their mind for the better. Meanwhile the game is getting more attention and sales.. It's kinda counter productive this time..

Like someone else said in a reply to me (zeruel132), "Normally social awareness happens through inclusion, but this time they're hoping to win by exclusion."

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You're correct, my mistake, it was meant for coda and I didn't see the quotes properly. I suppose all I'm trying to explain that because JKRowling made those comments, many other people will have the confidence of not accepting trans people and referring to them in a way they dislike on purpose, hence why JKRowlings tweets, which reach a huge audience, I find to be harmful to these people, and so to me I find it justified when they go and tell her she's wrong. If they actually hurt her I would be against that of course, but they're just empty threats as proven, since so many people got canceled(including these streamers) and yet every single one goes on and about their lives. Over the years she's said many controversial things like these, and always attracted negative attention. The same happened to notch, same happens to many rich people, because they choose to speak out their ignorance, when they have every opportunity in the world to learn, love and accept others. I don't see anything wrong with the masses defending themselves and seeking a place to exist in this world. Actually I'm bothered people are willing to jump to the defense of a multi millionaire and disregard their normal peers in exchange for some rich person's ego. It's kind of disgusting.

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Ideally, people should had been educated enough to differentiate stupid celebrity comments and they wouldn't be influenced by them..
Unfortunately, this isn't an ideal world (far from it) so yeah, people will do something that works.
In this particular case with the game in general and not just the streamers, the game has sky rocketed in exposure and became notorious.. Like I said above, it's counter productive

"I don't see anything wrong with the masses defending themselves and seeking a place to exist in this world." Because it isn't.. Everyone has a place in the world. But as things are atm, the uninformed masses just see something "foreign" trying to "bully" and instead of reading about the situation, they do what "sheep" do.. Read X article that promotes the idea of "extremism" and cross trans etc people even more off..
Basically, what I'm saying is, in comparison to the "hate" J.K. received over this, trans people received more and that's why you see the " people are willing to jump to the defense of a multi millionaire and disregard their normal peers in exchange for some rich person's ego. It's kind of disgusting.". They aren't jumping to the defense of a multi million company but reacting to the trans reaction that's "blocking" them from what they enjoy

It's a circle of ignorance mostly

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I agree with your reply completely.

Regarding the game getting more exposure, that's basically the job of these streamers/influencers, to take something that has exposure, negative or positive, because it will attract more people to it. So more streamers wanted to play this game, because of the drama going around it. Did the streamers care who it offended? No, because numbers for them mean more than the issue at hand. That's part of why I'm saying I can see why the trans community is also upset at streamers. Their misfortune is used as bait by streamers to draw in large audiences of people, and profit off it. It's not the right thing to do, but that doesn't mean people will stop watching streamers, in fact they are more successful than ever right, and yet people know how far these people will go for some views. I guess it beats working at mcdonalds right?

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Btw, something I forgot..
No one can be sure who is pushing this to the extreme and why.. It might as well be on purpose that they sent death threats but if it was indeed from the movement or WB to raise clicks.. Just like with every "protest" not everything and everyone is what they seem.. Might just as well be both. We'll most likely never know for sure

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Could also be that eventually with one of these situations the person making the comments would get hurt, and it would be attributed to that group, even though the intention to hurt was for an unrelated reason.

An example of that was during the blm protests, there were many people who broke into cars, and banks, and retail stores and stole items left and right, including for instance, I believe it was either logan or jake paul who participated in this, so it is disgusting that again an influencer pretends to participate in a movement just so they can break stuff for fun, and maybe steal, rather than doing it for the movement. It wasn't the right way to protest, just saying it probably escalated to what it did because of people with bad intentions, who didn't care about the movement at all.

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Salman Rushdie was stabbed on August 12, 2022 by a Hadi Matar, muslim and supporter of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and for Shia extremism. In court documents, he claimed that he was "defending himself and muslims worldwide". So, in your own words, he was justified. Because Salman Rushdie had "attacked" first, writint the Satanic Verses. Or are you of the opinion that if someone attacks someone, they should just stay there and take it? Or only the people you support have the right to defend themselves? Don't muslim people have the right to defend themselves, the same as trans people? Or maybe you don't like muslims and say they don't have the right to defend themselves as they want.

On 7 January 2015, two French Muslim terrorists and brothers, Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, forced their way into the offices of the French satirical weekly newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris. Armed with rifles and other weapons, they murdered 12 people and injured 11 other. So, in your own words, they were justified. Because Charlie Hebdo had "attacked" first, writing a joke. Or are you of the opinion that if someone attacks someone, they should just stay there and take it? Or only the people you support have the right to defend themselves? Don't muslim people have the right to defend themselves, the same as trans people? Or maybe you don't like muslims and say they don't have the right to defend themselves as they want.

Are you going to say "killing is wrong?" Killing is wrong, but sending death threats, asking a woman to kill herself, cyberbullying, continuous online and IRL harassment for years, even harassing her friends and family just for being related to her is OK? You have said over and over that it's justified.

Now, let me ask you three questions:

Do you support men changing genders and competing in national/international sports? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you.

Do you support men changing genders and going to women's prisons? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you.

Do you support men changing genders and going to women-only, places? I know you would love to write ten paragraphs, neither saying yes or not. But please say just YES or NO. Imagine it's just a vote. Just know that if you use the wrong answer, I will call you a transphobe that want to erase trans people, and in self-defense, they have the right to cancel you.

And when you finish answering them, please send me her words when she was "hating" and "oppressing" or "making fun" or "canceling" (your words) of trans people. Please, don't send me people writing about what she said. The EXACT tweets, please. After all, you are trying to justify YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, , threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game.

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Not every situation is the same. I understand from where this is coming from but it's an extreme comparison. Those are unrelated in essense even if they are made to appear "similar'.

"Are you going to say "killing is wrong?" Killing is wrong, but sending death threats, asking a woman to kill herself, cyberbullying, continuous online and IRL harassment for years, even harassing her friends and family just for being related to her is OK? You have said over and over that it's justified."
Severity matters, targets matter, why matters.. Basically everything matters. But comparing extreme hate crimes to this.. A bit far fetched..

Yes, in theory all it takes is 1 unstable person.. It still isn't the same

No, not every action is justified in the same logic as all else, no, just because something is worse doesn't make something else good.

But not everything is black and white and there are too many underlying issues

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Oh, I agree.

But honestly, all those thousands of people sending DEATH THREATS FOR YEARS to a woman, are you saying not one of them would be willing to kill her?

"Severity matters, targets matter, why matters.." The "crime" of Charlie Hebbo, to tell a joke. The "crime" of Salman? To write a book. The crime of JK Rowling? To write something on twitter.

I asked the other person, and he seems unable to answer. What DID JK Rowling exactly say? Please, don't send me people writing about what she said. The EXACT tweets, please. Something that for some justify YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game?

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How many times will you people ask the same things? I think you are in your own right to disagree with me, doesn't mean you will change my mind. I have given it a lot more time to consider such situations years before this even happened.

I don't expect to change everyone's or anyone's views in here, but to me in seems wrong that it's okay for JKR to say things that will influence others in how to behave with trans people, but it's not okay for these trans people to be mad and upset and complain about this, as to suggesting not supporting JKR and recommending to streamers to skip this game, because part of it's proceeds will go to JKR whether WB, the streamers, you, or whoever likes it or not.

I keep having to repeat myself since I answered this above, but as for what she said that was oppressive or making fun, I believe I did say maybe I used the word hate a little too casually, so maybe expressing her strong disagreement and dislike-ness would be better terminology(not that we all use hate properly nowdays, we all "hate" when the bus takes too long to arrive, or we all "hate" that idiot that cuts off on the road, etc), and the the tweets that I saw is her making a joke of how "people who menstruate" used to be called women, to then go ahead and try and reply sarcastic stuff to people, to then claim she loves trans people, she has trans friends, and then as a member of lgbtq+ herself, she fights with them, only to continue saying how she wont accept them and suggest that her belief that these trans people shouldn't have the opportunity of being referred to as the sex they fit in, and suggest her opinion of what they should be called is the better one.

Do I support physical violence, up to death for words said over the internet? No, I already said that. The specific case you linked I disagree with the outcome. You do have to treat these things case by case sometimes, especially because they are not the same exact scenario. The scenario you provided is quite a bit different. There's a lot of big differences between what happened in the case you linked and you can probably see them yourself, such as jkr being alive, the fact that chances are these people aren't acting on behalf of a religion belief or with the instruction of a religious belief, they aren't crazy just asking to be accepted, and they aren't forcing others to be trans or looking down upon them because they aren't trans, they just ask to be accepted, etc.

Answers to your questions:

  1. Yes, as long as those are the rules of the game, yes. If the people want equality, give it to them, what is the problem?
  2. Yes again, if is the job of the institution to protect those people despite their circumstances, and the institution fails at it.
  3. Yes, I support unisex changing rooms so I'm totally okay with trans people using their appropriate changing room, it is in the interest of the business to provide proper changing rooms for people for all kind.

I know these are all examples you used from things that probably had unfortunate events around them but I'll elaborate underneath for others that might want a longer reasoning, but I recommend you as well read it.

  1. I assume females in women's sports are upset that a trans female obviously have the birth genetics of a biological man and so performs much better(or maybe trans males in men's sports because they can't perform as well), but that is where it becomes the duty of the organizers to organize events with their own restrictions, it shouldn't mean that just because you were born with the biology of a man, that you have to switch your entire identity to fit that type, dress that type, act that type, be that type, and only date a particular type. If the organizers want to make their events specific to a group of people that's their own deal. To pursue equality it is part of this. Just recently I saw a match in between a male vs a female basketball team. I had an idea how it would go, since all the males in that team were a whole head above the females, but if you want equality, this is a good example of how it goes. It doesn't bother me. In the future, this might mean that teams might be mixed with both genders on both teams and would create a more unisex environment. I don't see why this should bother anyone, if you research fights, or weight competitions, or weightlifting shows are based on weight groups, for the reason that a 4 foot male is extremely disadvantaged of someone who is 6'5, right. It's the same concept to me.
  2. Men rape men, and women rape women in prisons too, it's not acceptable either way. Just because a trans woman goes to a women prison and rapes someone, it doesn't change the fact that rape is bad regardless, and to blame that on a few trans people, rather than blaming the institution for not providing safe environments to these people despite their circumstances.
  3. I worked in retail for quite a few years, men go into women fitting rooms, women go into men fitting rooms. I don' see the big deal, if you mean like a locker room changing rooms, then once again I believe it is the duty of the institution to provide spaces for those who are not bothered by this, and those who would only change with their sex. Look at it this way, if someone is a trans male and likes females, and they are forced to change in a female locker room, they are basically forced to be perverts for changing in the locker room where they don't feel they belong, simply because society will only refer to them as females, despite them having the identity of a male, and they couldn't change anywhere else. So imo it is the duty of the entities that provide these environments to have the appropriate fitting rooms for all the types of people, such as male, female, men, women, and private single changing rooms. Will it take more space of their business to provide 4 or 5 different changing rooms, yes, twice the space or more right, or they could just provide single person changing rooms. It's not impossible, and it's not unreasonable. I'm not about to side with corporations that this will increase their costs, when they wont even pay their employees properly.

As for her words I made 1 or 2 comments in my replies, I don't want to keep repeating the same things from one user to another, so read around my replies, it's basically tiring for me to reply to 5 different posts while each one of you make just one and eventually I have to repeat myself for each one of you. Be a little considerate. All I did was share my stance on this opinion, I'm in no way required to keep explaining myself multiple times to every single user that gives me the same repetitive examples rather than them reading around for 5 minutes. If I keep doing this with each one of you by the time the mods close this thread I'll write myself the next harry potter book. I would prefer we eventually leave it at this is my opinion and I've already provided more than several examples to argue for my stance, if we disagree it's completely fine, it was just me looking at this original situation and saying that if JKR can say that to trans people, they aren't in the wrong for replying to her sharing their feelings and they shouldn't be considered the ones that attacked or initiated this conflict, as without her comments, they wouldn't have said a word, so I pointed out how it was JKR who initiated this in the first place. That's all, not sure why this has to derail to you asking me how I feel about trans people.

I understand you're looking for some excuse to somehow twist my words, but I dedicate a lot of time to respond to your inquiries that aren't even related to the original object. You could have replied to my original thread, and argue with me why you believe it's okay for JKR to say that about an entire group of people and not okay for them to be upset about it, and we could've ended this a long time ago if we focused on the subject. At this rate I hope we soon get to somehow include MLK into this, and Abraham Lincoln assassination, I'm looking forward(sarcasm) to your posts of how the Chinese Dynasties and the Dinosaurs are relevant to my original post.

From you questions and indicative of how one sided your posts are, I can assume you yourself identify as a transphobe, as these are all things that seem to bother you? Since you can question my beliefs, I hope you're okay with me questioning yours?

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"jkr being alive" If she had killed herself, you would feel vindicated? Because all the death threats and people asking her to kill herself, is the same as with the other cases when the person DID kill themselves

"Do I support physical violence, up to death for words said over the internet? No, I already said that" You support cancel culture. Cancel culture in general, and in this particular case involves YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, rape threats, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game

And you STILL haven't send me those tweets where she was "hating" and "oppressing" or "making fun" or "canceling" (your words) of trans people.

"transphobe" Sorry, so far I haven't insulted you. Please do the same.

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It is not the same as she's obviously making a joke out of it, and rather than being attacked all of a sudden for no reason like the example you gave earlier, she started this. Its completely different.

You don't get to define that the entirety of cancel culture resorts to those 3 things you seem to be obsessed about. Your definition of cancel culture doesn't apply to everyone. Have some decency for yourself. The definition for "cancel culture" is along these lines, as copied from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cancel%20culture is " the practice or tendency of engaging in mass canceling (see CANCEL entry 1 sense 1e) as a way of expressing disapproval and exerting social pressure
For those of you who aren't aware, cancel culture refers to the mass withdrawal of support from public figures or celebrities who have done things that aren't socially accepted today. This practice of "canceling" or mass shaming often occurs on social media platforms such as Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook.", so some of your examples don't even fall under cancel culture. There's no mention of death treats, or actual physical violence against anyone, it doesn't say you have to take this actions, it mentions the objective, as to silence those in higher powers who have done socially unacceptable things current to our standards. Stop adding words into it to satisfy your pleasure and obsession already, it's annoying.

I did correct myself on hating, so can you move on already, this is like the 4th time you mention this, despite me correcting myself like 2 days ago and explaining how it's rather dislike-ness and disparagement and unacceptability of these beings , as for the tweets I have told you where to find them, I might've even referred to some in this thread and even copy pasted one, and I instructed you to read the thread and stop asking me the same questions everyone asks, simply because you don't know how to read. Your questions have already been answered, and you keep derailing off the topic. Please, stop asking the exact same things, I already said it's okay to disagree, but stop asking me the exact same things because you refuse to accept these people's rights. You not being willing to accept these people exist isn't okay for you to try and keep asking me the same question, ignore what I told you and pretend it never happened or you didn't get answers to it. It's just your attempt to annoy me and pretend these issues don't exist, despite the situation at hand which is going on. It's fucked up. You need to grow up.

If you can't agree with me it's fine, but stop asking the exact same things, when they have been already explained to you. If you don't fine them offensive, it isn't my fault that you don't understand what is offensive about them, plenty of people do hence why this is making a lot of drama right now. What you find offensive isn't necessarily what everyone finds offensive or to the same degree. It's just a large portion of people find that offensive and you are not part of them. It means that maybe you are wrong and your views aren't right towards these people, or that you are right and these people deserve to be treated that way. I'm inclined to believe you are wrong and these people do have rights. That's just my belief, that these people have rights, that's it. You can disagree and fight against those rights, that's your deal. Don't ask me why people would be upset if you fight against someone elses rights, as that is a stupid question, and you learn that in your 7 years at home. Its common decency to treat others nicely.

How comes you never say things like "it makes sense" when I reply to your questions. Like yes, you got your answers to your questions, but you have nothing to say about it? You wont defend your questions at all, were they pointless, did I prove you wrong and you don't know how to approach me? I'm bothered that you just keep on asking and asking and asking, but you don't deliver or add anything relevant to support your point of view. Who taught you how to argue?

As for your last line: ""transphobe" Sorry, so far I haven't insulted you. Please do the same.". You are constantly trying to insult me I am just not giving you the ability to do so, hence why you keep derailing off the topic, refuse to accept the tweets as offensive despite so many agreeing, ask questions to which I proved you that your examples are invalid and you wont admit that your application of those isn't the only one making them invalid, aka you got no argument, you just want to say something for no reason.

So no, asking you if you are a transphobe isn't an insult given the questions you asked me. Cause and effect. Am I supposed to assume your understanding for these people given your questions, pushback, and denial of these things? You are suggesting I should have problems with these things being given to this group of people, and I explained to you how rather than having a problem with these things, we should all expect the system to be inclusive of these people.

You're being extremely rude if you ask me. You need to have a really wretched personality to demand people don't question you, while you keep questioning them and their belief in all these aggressive ways, and somehow you're the upset one when someone suggests your so far intentions point to you being against these people's rights to exist and defend themselves, since there is no mention of you taking their side once, and naturally if you can't see from their point of view at all, I can't imagine how you are supportive of them. I was asking a pretty rhetorical question I suppose.

I'll stop further replies to you, as you have had your questions answered and we have not being adding anything new to the topic for a while my intentions were to explain how JKR's comments were offensive and inappropriate and the actions taken towards her aren't unjustified, however it's just been direct attacks towards me and I feel satisfied in how I debunked and refuted all of them. If you aren't in support of these people that's your deal, do not include me into that or try to project your ideals onto me, I respect their wish to become part of our society, especially since all they seek is acceptance. I'll end this conversation before this escalates and xarabas sees the opportunity to suspend me again since he dislikes me, so you are free to reply with whatever you want. Take care, I wish you the best in your endeavors.

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I apologise for use the word "hating". But you still used "oppressing" and "making fun" and "canceling" (your words) of trans people.

I personally find that the least you could do was to show those tweets, because somehow it's very interesting that you don't want to show them, and explain, considering you are supporting cancel culture, in the specific case of JK Rowling, which is the topic we are all talking about, because of those tweets, how they are SO offensive that they justify YEARS of abuse, personal attacks, rape threats, insults, death threats, asking her to kill herself, cyberbulllying, online and offline harasment of a woman, threatening the lives of her family and friends, even innocent people just playing or streaming a game. And you know, you are aware of that cancel culture in her case involves that.

And it also happens in many cases, including for example, the other case we talked about Alec Holowka

So no, you don't use a convenient definition that you found that don't mention that.

"I'm inclined to believe you are wrong and these people do have rights" "If you aren't in support of these people that's your deal" Talk about putting words in my mouth that I have never said. You are the one derailing this conversation.

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"Please keep it "clean" (probably won't happen) but i think we are all hitting a new low by saying you support JK Rowling, a transphobe, so buying the game makes you one too, hate the artist not the art.
Also from what i gathered WB did allow the game to include a transgender person."

I mean, if you knew that the boss of the grocery store you were going to shop at was a transphobe, would you still shop there comfortably? WB adding a trans char as they are seeing the backlash, is like the best they could do to control the damage and still give no sh**, even more so when I read multiple articles that there wasn't a lot of effort put into it. I haven't played myself so I can't review it.

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The thing is a shop owner (or neighbour, or friend) won't usually share it to the world he/she is a transphobe or any other thoughts, thus you wouldn't even know where you often shop, the other way around what if he/she as a non transphobe owner but a customer is, and gets the entrance blocked?

Everyone has a choice and right to go to that store (as in buying that game) whether you like it or not, but those customers don't have to be bullied and badgered by an angry mob waiting outside.

If you want to compare it to a store, then WB is the store owner, they written and sell the game, they just use the Harry Potter name, JK Rowling for the rest is not involved in any way afaik, and afaik WB are no transphobes, so..

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"If you want to compare it to a store, then WB is the store owner, they written and sell the game, they just use the Harry Potter name, JK Rowling for the rest is not involved in any way afaik, and afaik WB are no transphobes, so.." This is basically how it works with like a mcdonalds, exactly what I was trying to say, you can make your own mcdonalds right now, but you will pay a royalty just because you are using the mcdonalds name. Right, if WB is the store owner, they pay a royalty to the brand aka rowling, part of the profits. Doesn't mean they support those ideals and might even say they are against them, but the reality is that royalties are paid to someone who has these opinions, and they have chosen that brand knowing they will pay royalties to someone with such opinions, and profit was more worth it, over considering who those beliefs hurt. Then you could say the employees are the streamers since they are also making money off this, so if they choose to play the ignorance game knowing the situation, they are somewhat guilty or indirectly supporting this for not caring, and the same goes to the customers, knowingly shopping in a place that does this is wrong.

Now of course, it's a bit different if this was a store, maybe these people really need a job and not a single other job was available, I don't think that's the case anywhere ,but I hope you get my point, sometimes out of necessity irl you can't avoid these circumstances, but these are streamers who could play other games, and they are making large amounts of money from this, and it's not like a store employee speaks to 1000 people at once for 6 hours a day, so a store employee would never have that reach for instance.

I think its worth to consider if jk rowling came out with her transphobic views before she released harry potter 1 and basically the entire series, would people still have been so much into it? I believe not, people liked her because she was quiet and didn't express such controversial views.

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You've become exactly what you hate

Yup, sums it up.

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In the meantime, I'll be in Hogwarts.
Bitch

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Pretty much this. Great game. Don't care much about the rest.

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Pandering to the 1%

Play the game and ignore them.

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The thing is these days that small percentage get very loud (and often get their way, i mean if it stopped streamers from daring to stream this game..).

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Then they'll carry on their petulant ways won't they.

Ignore the bullies.

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I have a bigger problem with spiders than with JK Rowling or transgender characters.

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The problem with spiders really start the moment you can't see it anymore.

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How is this an article? The source is one streamer. Hogwart's Legacy is still the most streamed game on twitch and is currently trending on reddit and youtube. I don't believe there is this rise of hatemail to streamers who play a game that seemed to gather universal praise from both professional reviewers and general audience. This feels more like another example of fake news and outrage based reporting.

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Did you even read these? Most of these reference the same story from Girlfriendreviews about a streamer getting midly upset. But when you actually look at stream like 99% of comments are supporting her.
This is outrage culture, these articles feel Ai generated because there is no actual news to speak of. These articles simply leech off content from each other to generate clicks.

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If you also have read, there has been 1 web developer that created a special tool to hunt down any twitch user that was playing Hogwarts Legacy, and if you then dump that information, it just takes a few clowns to misuse that. You really think they would hit 1 streamer? It's also reviewers.

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It doesn't seem like a wide scale problem if the only thing the tool caused is one streamer being upset with a miniscule amount of commenters. No idea what the point of the tool is, because twitch actually tells you the streamers that play certain games already. As you said it was a few clowns at most. Not worth paying attention to and certainly not worth creating multiple articles about.

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" midly upset"

Dude, you can easily see the clip itself, of some users sending threats, harassment and bringing the streamer to tears.

That is NEVER right.

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Did I say it was? Streamers do get a lot of hate for whatever they do, that's obviously bad. If you actually watch their vod, you can see that the grand majority of the comments are positive and supporting her/them. I couldn't find a single threat or harassment in the video chat, but I am sure there were some comments I missed, my point is that these articles exaggerate this phenomenon far too much. I am not a fan of outrage and clickbait articles.

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None of this would be happening if WB would have agreed for the fans to create the HP RPG they were working on circa 10 years ago (or at least worked on whatever that one leak was; I'm doing my best not to spoil Hogwarts Legacy for myself, but I somehow don't want to believe that's the same thing).

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Damn that video is so good

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I tried looking up what things she said that has created this outrage, and has people proclaim her having lgbtq-phobia. From what I can see, she has no phobia since she has no irrational fear, nor even a dislike for trans people. On the contrary she has friends who are gay and what not, or so she says. Maybe she is a liar, I don't know her that well.

I found she has said some things on her Twitter, paraphrasing: "Only women menstruate" and "Sex is real". This is what most people in the world believe and there is nothing phobic about it. I do understand that it might be insensitive for the small part of the already small LGBTQ+ community that is confused and/or has mental issues, but to change basic biological truths in order for this small minority to live in an acknowledged delusion seems impractical.

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You can be cancelled or hated on now, for standing by your personal feeling that a woman is defined biologically, and not philosophically.

Anything in the news is about hype and money. Rarely does it have to do with anything they're actually talking about.

"Hey look, some group is enjoying a thing! Let's go hate on that thing and gain attention for ourselves and the issues we want to address!!!"

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People need to grow up, and face the actual walls to what they want, instead of going after some weak side argument.

Things like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Harry Potter have been loved by enough people, and inspired enough fan based work, that the original authors have little to do with it anymore.

I do respect peoples protests and movements, but please move on to the point. BLM is great, and has a point, but instead of hating at people who are saying ALM, say "Great, you're on board! Now let's fight ending police brutality together!"
Same with LGBTQ arguments. They should be respected and have rights of people. Gender is used as personal identifier, so let them identify however they want. But biology is often separate from law, so we can make laws for people who identify as certain genders, but we should always focus on human rights overall.

Too often it seems that we are derailed from larger conversations, by minorities issues. Which is a bad thing to say, but i think this is done on purpose by those in power, in order to both keep us from making any progress for "we the people" while also keeping us forever fighting with eachother.

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BLM is a scam. They've profited off of the plight of others and only enriched themselves. I don't know how anyone can claim they are great.

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Yeah, and i can argue that feminism and most any other movement or collective that gets over a certain size, is bound to become a scam.

But the community interest is there, and i try to focus on that. So instead of getting lost in BLM, into ALM, why not move forward and remind everyone the goal, and reason for the conversation.

The minority community wants their voices heard, so they can have their rights respected.

Cool, but i'm not hearing the message. What it seems to be communicating, is they refuse to let there be any voice that disagrees with them.

I'm sick of proponents of cancel culture BS. Silencing a person, doesnt make them stop thinking and feeling the way they do. But it does stifle their energy, which is just going to end being loosed elsewhere. Classically this energy has been collected by certain politicians and hucksters, to inspire people to go against what they know to be right.

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Fextralife is streaming for 36 hours straight right now. Guess its not every streamer that got the cyber bullying.

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I have no Idea what she said. But who cares. But yeah - let's make her shut her trap by harassing unrelated people xD
Also I wonder why people even care about being bullied by snowflakes?
Also freedom-of-speech-what?

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Freedom of Speech means the government cannot surpress your opinion.
It has nothing to do with others not being allowed to criticize you for your behaviour and/or statements.

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"Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction."

Don't give me some sort of "I don't have to respact that because I'm not government" attitude. This kind of ideas work only if everybody obey them. Also please don't put harrasing/bullying/sending threats under "criticism" label.

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Nah man Freedom of Speech/Expression has always only been about interactions between a citizen and their government. Never private enterprise.

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I like that idea!
Let me try out that concept in practice:

Shut up or I'll follow you home and kill your dog!

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You would be prosecuted for (threatening the) destruction of property, maybe for animal cruelty too, not for a Freedom of Speech violation.
The basis here is that you are not allowed to violate the safety and property of another person, and the reason why you are threatening to do it is besides the point. Your example thus is null and void. Next.

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So I'll be prosecuted for doing something illegal? No way! You opened my eyes!/s
Thank's god for that! I'm so happy that people obey the rules and don't do anything illegal! Now all those stereamers don't have to be afraid of any threats, because nobody will harm them anyway....
Wait a second? Isn't sending threats also illegal?
Lets suggest all people who are being bullied/harassed that they should take legal actions! That will save the day.

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/freedom_of_speech

"Freedom of speech is the right to speak, write, and share ideas and opinions without facing punishment from the government."

It can't be made any more clear.

Or maybe it can::

"In another case, Nyabwa v. Facebook, the Southern District of Texas also affirmed that private entities are not subject to the First Amendment. There, the plaintiff had a Facebook account, which spoke on President Donald Trump’s business conflicts of interest. Facebook decided to lock the account, so the plaintiff was no longer able to access it. The plaintiff decided to sue Facebook because he believed the company was violating his First Amendment rights. The court dismissed the lawsuit stating that the First Amendment prevents Congress and other government entities from restricting freedom of speech, not private entities. "

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You guys from US You guys (one from US and one not from US) are so obsessed with US law that it's kind of funny. Also I think you missed my point completelly. Try to read with understanding next time?

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/HB22P/its-not-worth-getting-bullied-endlessly-major-streamers-already-avoiding-hogwarts-legacy#JVDIXmn

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Still not from the US, no matter how often you will try to use it to discredit my opinions.

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Sorry. No idea where are you from. Got fooled by the fact that you keep mentioning US law xD

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What possible impact could US law have on actions taking place on Twitter, Facebook, etc and streamers publishing their content on YouTube and Twitch(/Amazon).
I guess if we were talking about TikTok my statements about Freedom of Speech would be a tad bit different.

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For world wide media it's a little bit complicated, you know? USA has law for whole country and different laws for each state. There is also common law and case law. There are also TOS of various services that might be something sacred in f.e.Texas, but are treated as poor joke in EU (wonder why HB has their business in that state huh?).
Yet for some reason - you still keep mentioning US law xD

You are obsessed with laws, aren't you? I'm talking about concept. About idea created more than 2k years ago in ancient Greece and evolved to this day, that if followed - would make whole this discussion pointless.
And what is your point? If it's not forbidden by the law- then it's ok?

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As someone in the legal profession, I cringe every time someone screeches 'FREEEEdOm oF sPeEcH' as if it would literally apply in every real life situation.

I don't understand the myopic absurdity of it. People really think it means they can just say whatever they want, wherever and whenever.

If someone was to enter your house and yell a bunch of insults to you and your family you would tell them to leave, right? It's your private property and you have every right to ask them to leave.
Or do you think they should be able to stay in your house and continue insulting you, because 'freedom of speech'???

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do you think they should be able to stay in your house and continue insulting you

There is difference between public space and my house.
There is difference between insulting somebody and disagreeing with somebody/having your own opinion.

As someone in the legal profession

Yeah - that's how it looks like. Because why would you follow some moral concept if it's not written in law?

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Are you daft?

Not all speech is protected. Just like it is illegal to yell 'fire!' in a crowded theater, threatening someone's life is also illegal.

You seem a bit block headed if you really think someone threatening a life is the same as having a differing political opinion.

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And are you daft?

No. U are also yo mamma fat

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So if there is no law about free speech. Then it is entirely alright and moral and even good thing for government for example to jail people for going against it? Right? As there wouldn't be no moral principle for it. Just a purely legalistic one.

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Funny you bring up the government, it's like our entire point is that Freedom of Speech applies to the government.
No, it is not a good thing for the government to jail people for their opinions. THAT is Freedom of Speech.

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But it only applies to governments that have laws about it doesn't it?

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Mind humoring me with a law that applies to a government that did not authorize it at some point itself?
Soverign states are the basis for any and all laws.

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Who said there is no law about free speech? It's right there in the Constitution.

The Constitution prevents you from being arrested for expressing opinion. The Supreme Court has ruled many times that even people who burn the flag do so as a protected right. Local municipalities have enacted laws in the past banning such a thing, and the highest Court has ruled it protected form of expression...
It is moral? Ir is right? Who knows? But the government can't arrest you for it or make laws forbidding it.

A private business is not the government. They are not bound to give you freedom of speech, nor are you to any stranger who knocks on your door. Just like any business, you can kick anyone out of your house for whatever 'speech' you see fit. That is private property, private enterprise.

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I'm talking about some other country. Not the USA.

If they don't have freedom of speech in law, they are entirely fully right and moral to censor anyone they don't like by any methods? As there wouldn't be anything inherently bad in that action?

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Freedom of speech is not inherently moral or immoral. It is a legal construct only. It is nothing more than a tool, like a hammer.

If they don't have freedom of speech in law, they are entirely fully right and moral to censor anyone they don't like by any methods? As there wouldn't be anything inherently bad in that action?

And yes, there would be nothing inherently immoral or 'bad' in that. Someone posting offensive material on this website Steamgifts would get banned from this site, and there would be nothing 'immoral' in the censorship of their posts. We'd all welcome it.

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I take that everyone who says that it is about government is are entirely and fully okay with anyone trying to silence them with violence or threats of violence. After all they do not have any freedom of speech from others. So silencing then is perfectly moral and even a good thing.

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No, just because people dislike the wrong usage of a term/concept (and pretty often lately) and point this out, you don't get what they want, think or believe in besides that at all.

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It is not wrong usage. There not being such usage means, there is no such concept. Meaning that I or anyone else would be fully morally right to silence them, as long as we weren't part of government. Isn't that only logical consistent way to take what they are saying.

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There are laws prohibiting (threats of) violence, both physical and mental, which can be applied regardless of the reason for the act.
You do not need a "freedom of speech between two private citizens" to apply the laws protecting the physical and mental safety of every citizen.
So no, me arguing that Freedom of Speech only applies between government and citizen does not give you the right to murder me in order to silence me, murder is illegal based on totally different laws.

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There is no freedom of spech between two private persons. If you come to my house and tell stuff I don't like, I can ask you to leave. If you don't I can call the police. And you can't claim freedom of speech to justify your refusal, because this is not where freedom of speech applies.
There is also no freedom of speech between a customer and a company. If you go to a supermarket and talk shit to other customers or employees there, they can also ask you to leave and ask police for help if required. It's their building, their house rules.
If you post shit on Twitter, they may delete or or even ban you. The website/service is their property and thus they can decide what's allowed there.
Of course, other laws and regulations need to be considered. A supermarket couldn't refuse to let you in, just because you have pink skin colour. The examples are based on you actually acting in a bad way.

A fitting example would be: you protesting in a public place, e.g. in front of the townhall and getting arrested by the police, although you didn't break any other laws or regulations (e.g. noise, grouping up without approval etc). Here you can claim freedom of speech and sue the city government.

Back to this case:
JKR posted something on Twitter. Now if Twitter didn't like that, they could have removed it or even ban her. No violation of freedom of speech. Fans of JKR might have been resentful and switch to facebook, but that's just a consequence Twitter has to live with.
Other fans of JKR might have not liked these statements and decided to not be fan of her anymore. Just a consequence JKR has to live with. They and other users who disliked her statement might have replied there or sent private messages to her and criticised it in a regular way. That's totally fine, just like you can criticise my comment if you want to. No law protects you from negative feedback.

Now people who threatened her, insulted her or bombed her with comments/messages are not okay. They defied Twitter's rules, but also laws. And contrary to many people still thinking you'd be anonymous online and no law would apply, it's not. So JKR could have reported everything.. to Twitter, but also to the police.
None of these situations have to do with freedom of speech though. And I really dislike how often people bring it up lately to justify bad things they did.

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So JKR could have reported everything.. to Twitter, but also to the police.

Internet police? I'm sure that Police have nothing better to do than tracking down some idiot on the internet, only to report that he/she lives outside the country and they would do shit about them xD Or more likely that It was just a joke and she shouldn't bother them with bullshit like that, because they have donnuts to eat and stuff.

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If your police is organised that way, you can call it internet police, for sure. If I was affected, I would just go to my local police office or report it online. They forward it to the correct department.
Here the police can demand compensation for expenses, so their work wasn't wasted.
In a civil trial the loser has to pay the court and lawyer expenses.

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In a civil trial the loser has to pay the court and lawyer expenses.

I see that you don't have a lot of experiences in going to the court. Good for you!
Correct department my ass xD They will tell you that it's case of low threat and it's your call to go to court against offender.
Looser must pay - but that is after a won trial.. Which can take years. In the meantime - you have to go to court couple of times, pay for lawyer and hope that whoever you sued - won't have cunning lawyer that will do everything to make the case as long as possible (but ofc he/she will). Also even if you win- court may tell looser to pay trial costs, but not your lawyer costs, and that will leave your home budget kind of broken. While JKR might have money and time to do that (and AFAIK she didn't sue anybody) - average taxes payer simply don't have time/money for that luxury.

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I'm sorry for you that you apparently had bad experiences with police and courts.
JKR didn't have money? Or not time? Or neither? Now I'm interested how you know that she would have less money or time than the people who harrassed or threatened her. I doubt that.

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Except in no legal or formal definition you can look, "freedom of speech" is only about the goverment.

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Let me give some examples:

1) https://web.archive.org/web/20200728051257/https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=Freedom+of+speech

"The right to express any opinion in public without censorship or restraint by the government, protected in the United States as a right under the First Amendment to the US Constitution. Also called free speech."

2) https://web.archive.org/web/20200229134124/https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom%20of%20speech

"Legal Definition of freedom of speech
: the right to express information, ideas, and opinions free of government restrictions based on content and subject only to reasonable limitations (as the power of the government to avoid a clear and present danger) especially as guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution"

3) https://web.archive.org/web/20190616121744/https://www.dictionary.com/browse/freedom-of-speech

"noun
the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc."


But do go on, tell me more about how there isn't any formal definition that closely links the term freedom of speech with restrictions by the government.

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yada, yada, yada... U.S. Constituation

USA is just one country and you try to apply your law to whole world. Thanks god it doesn't work that way. F.e. if you sign up Humble Bundle TOS - you are fucked up if you live in US. If you live in EU - then even if you signed up their TOS - it doesn't apply in parts, where it's breaking the law.

Please tell me more how one of basic human rights is about government only.

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I'm not in the US, so it is not "my government" or "my law", but whatever.

I've provided examples of my claim that Freedom of Speech is about the government, so I think to further the discussion, you should back up your position that Freedom of Speech is a thing between two non-government entities.
Indulge me and provide a decision by any judge that bases itself on Freedom of Speech without involving a government entity.
Can be from the US, can be from the UK, can be from France, can be from Germany, I don't mind, just show me an example of what you claim being actually applied in active legal debate.

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Bruh.
I'm talking about ideology. Not about application of law.
I'm not killing people on daily basis not because it's forbidden by the law, but because I thing it's a wrong thing to do (at least imo).

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It has always been only about the interactions between a citizen and their governments.

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with private enterprise. For example on this website, there is no freedom of speech from moderators. You can be censored, posts removed, and you would have no recourse except going through the site itself.

Freedom of speech and expression only means that the government cannot punish you for what you say and how you express yourself (within reasonable standards). A manager can ask you to leave their store for just about any reason (private property). They can tell you to leave for being rude (speech), they can tell you to leave for the clothes that you wear (expression).

However, the police cannot arrest you for being rude, they can't arrest you for the shirt that you wear.

You can get fired from your job for your political internet posts. But unless there was some illegality being made by the posts, you cannot be arrested for them. See the difference?

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i am boycotting it but ONLY because it's based on Harry Potter and don't like Harry Potter (never watched any of the films or read any of the books) - the ps1 game was fun for a few minutes though

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Are you saying that if you would watch or read anything regarding Potter, that you could possibly like it?

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no i doubt it because i have seen parts of the film and didn't really like lthem

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i am boycotting it but ONLY because it's based on Harry Potter and don't like Harry Potter

That's a very aggressive way of saying you're not interested in it :)

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And that is the right reason to not buy media. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

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i think that should be good enough of a reason

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I just had some conspiracy wacko in a web game I play privately tell me they killed a family member of mine so this whole nonsense feels like 'meh' for the internet except with added culture war narrative for flavor (a flavor that I've never liked).

All in all, I am aggressively indifferent about this whole situation. Death of the author is a niche concept but not an entirely unreasonable one, so engaging at all from either end of the spectrum can and will make you look bad and unreasonable. Just ignore it and things will sort itself out eventually.

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It means nothing. People in general are assholes. This just shows that even if people lebel themselves as part of a "community" they are still just another troll in the internet.
They act like they have the moral highground just like every other community. Another group of people who think that they are better than others. And obviously people will never self improve to be better, just harass others.
The game is completely irrelevant. The game is just a mean to start argument.

Just an example of different situation, a few days ago I saw a popular tweet about really old sculpture made by a young person.
Now another popular quote tweet was that they were sad cause they were expecting others to harass or mock the talented kid tweet as show offs but other people instead shared their own achievement at an young age & this user found it as toxic. People seek validation for doing dumb shits instead of not doing dumb this.

If you want to play this game, play it. Buy it, gift it to a friend. You don't have to give an explanation or justification to anyone. Especially not these hateful people who simply have a mindset of acting as victim.
If someone dislikes this game then its their own issue. Not yours.

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It used to be a free country where I live and we could make our own decisions without needing permission from others. You can be a decent person or not and too many nots exist. Harassment of others is a not ok quality and especially when it's completely unjustified. There's never an excuse to bully people or be a screwface and finding new excuses doesn't cut it for me. Don't like something, fine, but be a fucking adult about it then.

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