From what I understand, when you apply for any Social Security benefits, you can expect to be denied initially. It's like an unwritten rule. You have to appeal. It's ridiculous, to be sure.
As to your question: what about Canada?
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Nah... I saw a judge for an official hearing. I've been denied... I think four times now?
Canada is a place I thought about... but yeah, I'll have to look further. I read they will return people to the US depending on exactly how the citizenship is renounced. Have to see exactly how it all works, but it may have just applied to an "asylum" status, which is something I'd also consider if it worked out better somewhere, since I have plenty of reason to fear the abuse of my country here....
Have to figure the rest out, but maybe if it's done more formally, that could be an option. I'm still staying for another appeal at least... before I decide. Having a mountain of medical evidence and still getting denied after an official hearing and having legal representation is... well... quite a slap in the face. Add more suffering on top of suffering. It's hard to keep taking these kinds of things - gas lighted all my life, and it continues. I am guilty of wanting a mid-1970's income for life. Can't even live on that! It's shameful. I want to renounce just because I don't want to be affiliated with these kinds of people any more. I have lost faith in my country a long time ago.
I've got a little time - a year or two maybe...
The work thing... it's detrimental to not only my society - weakening the job front, but... then they want people like me to work - when every moment of my life I work harder than I ever did when I would pull the 12+ hour days landscaping or having a desk job before I was really sick. That was nothing.... I pull constant overtime, and it is 24 hours a day every day. Even weekends! Plus no retirement... Retirement is death for me under the current status of things.
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Ah, I see, so you've appealed, and still gotten denied.
Well, that sucks.
I have to say, renunciation seems like a pain in the ass -- have you considered just getting dual citizenship?
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Hmm... I will probably see how that can work, and what it may change. Ideally I'd like to remove the stain of USA being affiliated with me 100%, since I don't agree with anything this country does, really, on most levels. I guess no matter where I went, probably near the same kinds of experiences in that area. I don't know. At least I'll have some light information on things when I have some time to really investigate further if it feels like I have to go.
Too bad Robin Hood is not real.
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Don't count on Canada. The Prime Minister is an Social Media freak who posted "Everyone is welcome in Canada" on Twitter just because it looked good with the election polls. The truth is that 90% of those that left the US for Canada in the past year are getting denied. Those that weren't Americans are even being sent all the way back to their original country of origin.
The asylum will only work for those arrived directly from a home country where their life would be in danger. If they put one foot in any other country while on their way to Canada, the asylum request gets denied (and likely get sent all the way back to their original country of origin).
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I appreciate it much - I'm glad it's not an emergency right now, but I figure it might be good to gather just some basic information. Lots of countries out there, so maybe someone has some information on one that would be easier than just hunting and comparing various things from various countries, etc. Hopefully I can look back on some of it if needed just as a light guide of some possible places to prioritize if it does get to that point eventually. I should be relatively okay as long as friends and family are alive to help and step in where my country will not.
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Getting into Canada is vastly harder than the US. Having socialist policies is fucking expensive. They can't afford to take care of people unless they are productive. It's not a good choice if you aren't able to work.
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Yeah... I'm guessing about everywhere is the same. Investing in the possibility of somebody getting better isn't very good at all, unless there is a way to exploit it and make money off of it. I may or may not ever improve enough to work, since I haven't been given the chance to really pursue all I want (medical care is extremely over-priced here compared to the rest of the world, with equal or less skill overall).
Thank you for your own insight!
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Actually, our medical care is on the cheaper side if you need to pay for it entirely yourself, it's the near free nature of other places that make it seem cheap, but prices are really high when you don't get it free. That's for actual care at least, Drugs are generally FAR cheaper, as we have ridiculous patent laws, Drugs with an active patent can be hundreds of dollars cheaper, and it's completely awful.
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I'm very sorry to hear that, that system just doesn't work and the way those appeals work sounds to me as they are trying to be cheap and make it that much difficult to dissuade asking for those benefits...
Belgium has got some really decent medical care and insurance.One mandatory has to take a medical insurance here be it a Christian, Liberal, Socialist, Nationalist, Independent or other one, the choice is up to you. And to give a little example: one of my last hospital bills was about 11000€, paid by my insurance and just over 300€ paid by me.
Thank you for your giveaways! :3
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Hey LostSoulVL, It seems to depend on what procedure you need to do, (and who you are)...
I needed a spinal procedure to be able to do even the simplest things again. I had to cough up over €5000 myself (while being unable to work and only getting €470/month because my wife works part-time...
Some products, inherent to the procedure weren't even covered! (like the stuff they use to fuse your vertebrae together,, no refund, but without it, the procedure makes no sense...)
Even now, while I'm able to live relatively painless when I don't do stuff, they want me to pick up my old trade again, I can't even pick up my 4y.old son, but they expect me to lift big and heavy kitchen equipment and washing machines/dryers, as I was technician for Smeg, repairing their machines at the customers place.
All the while, the grandmother (fathers side) of my aunt (She has a Belgian mother and a foreign father) came to Belgium, got full pension (€800/month) without ever contributing a cent ("of gene halve rotten frank") and got her knee and hip operation completely covered, no cent to pay...
To OP, thanks for the GA's
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Hey VaKhajDar, I know little about the verzuiling of the different insurances and their connections to political parties so I can only speak for myself about my own experiences with my medical insurance when I needed them since mid 2016 until now because I was diagnosed with cancer and got chemo and radiotherapy treatment and a lot of blood tests, gastroscopy's, appointments with different Doctors and Specialists and such.
Also as I'm retired military I didn't have to go to the adviserende Geneesheer or needed sick leave from work like you probably had to. I'm very sorry to hear about your experiences and medical condition. I hope you're doing better now?
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I'm still recovering... started looking into making games to earn a living, as they want me off benefits because that idiot said I could do my old job again, and what I'm getting now is barely enough not to die, lets not even think about feeding my family...
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Sorry I didn't get to respond before checking over some of the comments again - must've missed yours here, but I remember going over it a little bit. I'm really hoping that your own health stuff goes well in the future... Sounds like it has been a bit difficult and frustrating with things, so all my best wishes! Closing out my thread in a few minutes here, but I appreciate your contribution and feedback here! Have a nice one, and you're welcome. Also, best of luck with future giveaways you may be interested in!
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Antartica. Penguins dont pay shit!
(and in all seriousness, even the NHS is dying due to corporate greed and governmental mismanagement, so the UK is no good)
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Well, I do not know about the exact imigration rules in Germany.
But I can tell you, if you can not work because of your health, you are not left alone here. I am mentally ill for over 4 years now (still working on getting better!) and I have my own flat and enough money for a relativty good basic living. And you are heathinsured!There are even charity financed places you can go to to get further help (like information about theraphies or everything you may need help with).
The bad side is depending on your reason why you are ill people will not understand you at all. The mother of my GF still thinks I am just too lazy to work and keeps telling everyone about it. But most people are this way, cause they either can't or just don't want to understand.
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Hmm, that is rather interesting. I am lucky to have a bit of insurance for being in poverty, but it will only cover certain things. I'll probably check back here in the future if I need to refresh my brain, but I appreciate it.
I get a lot of that prejudice from people I know even... expecting me to do things normal people can since I am walking around, so I must feel great. It is not so easy to tell with some of the "phantom" illnesses. I have plenty of those... ^_^
Thanks again for the infos, and contribution here!
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If your parents or grandparents were immigrants, you could possibly obtain birthright citizenship from their homeland, depending on the laws where they were from.
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+1 but also he looks for country that could do him right, not sure of the /homeland quality/
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if it's an EU country, he's golden.
Step 1: have a great-grandparent who was irish
Step 2: apply for irish citizenship
Step 3: move to Germany, obtain residency as an EU citizen
Step 4: enjoy Germany's welfare system
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My grandparents were Italian and Spanish, can I do that?
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you need to talk to an expert.
Both Spain and Italy only grant you citizenship if your parents were citizens. But your parents may be able to obtain citizenship through your grandparents, and may be able to pass it along to you, if the right exemptions apply.
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well, I dont see mass migration for wellfare to Germany? (so easy to go obviously just for welfare?). I would pick some scandinavia though
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To "enjoy" germanys wellfare system tho, you need to understand how it works on a level that´s equal to employees of the welfare system - and you have to be broke (or no traceable funds in your bank account like some fuckers do). They will have you strip naked before anything goes into effect.
Other than that, my sisters husband moved from scotland to germany, and as far as i can tell, he´s not being left alone.
Ofc being married to a german and having children helps alot.
Also! Please don´t make it look as if it were all fun and games in germany. From personal experience, you can be left to rot with your sad own self in an instant. If you can´t handle a bureaucracy galore, or have relatives who guide you through the process, you´re lost. To make my point clear: I´m perfectly eligible for our welfare system, yet i chose not to opt for it because they´d surely kill the pity remains of my self esteem.
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I'll have to check, but I have Irish and Scottish that might be in great-grandparents, but I am not even sure when they settled in here. Maybe some others in my family have some information, or I can try one of the ancestry things. I've been wanting to contribute DNA for a project in Scotland involving my last name and finding the rightful "heir"... or something to that effect. I might be the lost king they are searching for... Thanks for the info though... may check it out and find out what requirements there are if I really really have to find a different plan after a while... Hopefully I can work things out where I'm at, or relatively close to here.
I'm actually the Emerald Maiden!
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Hey Morph. If I were in your situation, I'd first go through a list of countries with free/universal health care. The US is definitely NOT a country you want to be in if you're disabled, unless you've got $.
You can then cross-reference that with the World Happiness Report and a list of English-speaking population by country if English is your only language.
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Man, that is a disappointing list to look at, as an American.
Literally the only first-world country on the list with a "no" in both categories... the good old US of A.
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Yeah, it's pretty sad. I think the health care, drug, and insurance companies just have way too much clout in this country/government for there to ever be free/universal health care here...
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There's also a belief, popularized by certain pundits, that if you're poor it's your own fault. That if you want to be rich, all it takes is some effort and good work ethic, and you can do it - which by extension means that if you're poor, that's because you lack effort and work ethic.
I've known people working year after year for $20K a year to know that that's not anywhere close to accurate. Some companies will purposefully reduce everyone's hours to make everyone a "part-time" employee working 34 hours a week just to avoid paying full time benefits. The family that cuts our neighbor's lawn 2-3 times a week are as hard working as any white-collar worker I've met.
But this belief is popularized, in part because it means that anyone can be wealthy if they just try enough (which certainly isn't true). And this belief ties into the idea that everyone should have healthcare, provided they can pay for it.
At the same time, healthcare costs are spiraling out of control. You need to take your toddler to the doctor because she's sick with flu-like symptoms? That's $250, just to have the doctor examine her and do a flu test. You need to go to the dentist because of a tooth ache? That's $200 just to get checked out. You're pregnant and having a baby? That's $30K just for the delivery and hospital stay. You can't afford not to have health insurance in the US. And yet, having personally been between jobs before, I can tell you that the $300+ a month for the most basic coverage from COBRA can be $300 too much when you have no income and still need to pay for food and rent and internet (because how else can you do your job search?).
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Yep. The good ole American Dream myth that has poor people voting for politicians whose whole platform is to keep them poor.
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It reminds me of the book What's the Matter with Kansas - a fascinating read about how the people of Kansas are continuously voting against their own best economic interests. The politicians living in mansions with manicured lawns inside their gated community keep convincing their struggling constituents that the politicians are "men of the people."
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Sounds like a very interesting read. I've always been dumbfounded by this phenomenon, worldwide really, especially in modern politics where you would expect information to be more free of propaganda thanks to the large number of sources available but I guess people hear only what they want to hear. And more often than not, it's about politics of fear and hatred anyway.
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free of propaganda thanks to the large number of sources available
The internet also very much enables bubbles where only one form of truth is accepted, just like in old times.
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Sad but true. The tribal mentality gets worse as time goes by
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The US isn't a country ANYONE wants to be in for ANYTHING these days.
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if you're smart, capable, and willing to work your ass off, there are plenty of employers willing to exploit you here
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At least you don't have to worry about waiting months at a time or face death panels in the US.
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People still face death panels in the US. Even innocent ones.
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1) there are no "death panels" in countries with universal healthcare
2) the waiting period is highly exaggerated, for most procedures it's quite short, often roughly equal to the time it takes in the U.S.
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They call death panels by other names. I know. I won't sweat the details.
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The more social programs, the harder it is to go to that country. It's common sense that they can't afford to take in all the sick if they intend to pay for all of it.
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I don't know where they are making this list from, but China is definitely not a "YES" in both fields. Here you pay in cash up front or die on the sidewalk in front of the hospital.
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Thanks for the great information! It's been a refreshing topic for me to just have a little more info on in general. I'll probably check back into this if things don't look up in a couple of years, but it's nice to gather a little just to see what turns up. I may look at this with a totally different pair of eyes at another time, if I do need to re-check here. I'm hoping I don't need to do anything drastic unless I really want to though.. ^_^
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Uhm, Venezuela is currently undergoing one of the worst crisis with many of the local people starving, massive inflation, and a mass exodus out of the country...
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Part and parcel of Socialism. You still get free healthcare.
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Part and parcel of massive government corruption.
Fixed it for you.
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Socialism works on a small scale. But only on a small scale. In a commune with 100 people where everyone is friends with one another, it’s easy to share everything. In a city of a million people where you’ve never met 99% of the others, people aren’t as willing to give up they’re stuff fit some rando stranger
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XD no.. you are confused, you just put a synonym in it's place
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The former Venezuela's president went to Cuba for his medical care iirc..
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That's um... Wow. I don't really know what to say. I hope you're able to figure things out somewhere. Canada is likely the easiest option.
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Hey, hopefully I won't need to check back in here after a while. It's not super dire yet, but I am running out of options, so it's nice to have this stuff for later just in case... Definitely a worst case scenario that I may have totally wrong and blown out of proportion for the moment at least, but I am trying to be prepared. Very glad I got a little feedback, and I thank you very much for adding some input!
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It'll probably be much easier for you if you pick a country where English language is at least very common if not native. I'm not much of a help since I can't even imagine what you're going through, but if I were you, my first picks would be Canada, UK, Ireland, maybe New Zealand or Australia even. If you don't like one of those (e.g. Canada), consider other options. I have some friends especially in Ireland and it seems like a really good pick.
You probably won't have any major problems when visiting any Europe country though, so if you're alright with that you could also try other countries with similar adaptation, such as perhaps Netherlands, Norway, Sweden or Denmark.
If you ask me, I'd take a look at your list of friends, contacts, maybe some family or cousins abroad and take a look if anybody is capable of helping you. It's much, much easier to relocate if you can count at least on one person, it doesn't necessarily have to be somebody close, but it'd be great if it was. This is what I'd evaluate first, list of countries second.
Of course, you want to aim for a country with universal healthcare, so your best bet would probably be somewhere in Europe, but NZ or Canada looks like a good pick as well. Personally I'd avoid other regions if you don't have anybody there to help you.
A combo of universal healthcare, english-speaking country (so basically whole Europe) and a distant friend or family would probably be your best call.
I'm from Poland and while I can say much good about this country, healthcare isn't the best part of it. It's not the worst and they won't let you die, but if you're considering relocating then there are really better picks than that.
In any case, I wish you luck and hope it turns out well.
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Why didnt you mention Poland ?:P so nice and awesome country :P
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If our healthcare would be better, I probably could, but in his case, there are probably much better picks.
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Thank you for all of this information! Lots of nice tips here. It makes a lot of good sense. I'm hoping I don't have to return here any time soon, but it'll be good to have around if I do need to check it out.
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Latin America or Asia. If you have any savings they worth much more there. You can even go to private doctors for a fraction that it cost in the US. Also there are countries in Europe with universal health care for inmigrants but they are more trouble for a long stay, they are gonna ask you for a citizen card, a contract work trought more than two years, permanent home of your own or marriage with a native sooner or later.
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Most Latin American and Asian countries have free health care. And in some of them you can work from home as a Costumer Service Representative for US and Canadian companies. They provide a fair income considering the cost of living in those countries. But there are always downsides to everything.
Also want to share a friend's experience. A couple of years ago a friend of mine and their team were invited to participate in a Football Flag Competition in the US. One of her teammates was injured during their last match and had to be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. In the end, she had nothing but they still charged her $3000 for everything.
It'd had been cheaper to take an Uber from the stadium to airport, book a flight to one of these countries, visit a private hospital and then flight back to the US if she wanted to spend the rest of their last day there with the team.
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I'm sorry for your hardships. Unfortunately the reality is that while there are plenty of countries that take reasonably good care of their sick - like the Scandinavian nations for instance - you can't just decide to move and do it.
There's no country on the planet that allows you to move there and stay there without a good reason. That reason is typically either having a boatload of money to invest locally, marrying a local, or having a job waiting for you. Getting into the countries social security system so you can get aid for your ailments will typically take years at the very least. If you're unemployed and can't contribute to the country you move to financially or through great skills that you can use for them then they have no wish to let you move there.
The only exceptions from these rules are refugees fleeing war and certain death. I generally agree with the gist of your arguments about the US but it's not bad enough that any country accept refugees from there that I know of.
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Most countries won't take marriage as a reason anymore, both US and Canada I know for a fact have made that a minimal factor. You need to prove you can be productive now in both countries. The EU is outlandishly losing money, especially with the UK ditching their organization, and it was one of the biggest contributors to its economy. It's going to be a hard place to be in a decade or so, but for now, they don't make it easy to move there unless you are coming from an EU country.
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Are you sure? I’ve met several people who’ve successfully petitioned for residency after marrying a US citizen, and it remains the only path to a green card for my ex gf at the moment. Err that’s what the immigration attorney told us
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It is still factored, it's just not guaranteed like it was a decade or two ago. If the person isn't an invalid or something and can be productive and follow all the other rules, it's still a positive.
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oh yeah, for sure they make sure it's not a scam marriage. You're right you have to show proof like knowing each others parents names and having pictures together
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It's not just about if it's a real marriage, just like Europe, the US is expanding its social programs over time, and the expense a new resident adds is real. So even if you are really a couple, if one of the parties is going to be a burden on everyone involved, it's far less likely today you'll be approved than before.
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I believe it's a case of being more strict to make sure "fake marriages" don't slip through. Rules are tightened up and they look closer at how long you've physically been together, if you've lived together before being married, if you visit frequently if it's very long distance and so on. Relationships that are seen as "flimsy" because you can't prove you spend enough time together or have been together for long enough might not be approved even if it is a legal marriage.
On the other hand that usually just means you need to be legally married for a couple of more years and budget to spend more time together and so on and then you'll be able to get approved. But it will stop most people who just want to move right now and marries anyone who will agree to it.
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This is the only reply that's true and that OP needs to take seriously.
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Thank you kindly for adding some good info here! I'm hoping I won't need to check this all out again to reflect and think... but it was a question that has been popping up in my head. I guess kind of like I didn't choose to be born, I didn't pick where I'd be born at. Sounds like I have to just suffer it out, but suffering is life now anyway, so what's a little more weight added on.
Makes perfect sense, and sort of what I was thinking as far as who would take somebody that simply is a resource hog, without being above the law and resource hogging... Maybe I will improve here, or win my appeal, but I hope I don't have to revisit this down the road. The certain death part may come, but it isn't instant here. So far, it's been about 23 years of torment just facing all my illnesses as they pile on and get worse. Hopefully some bombs will drop here, so I will have a ticket out. Shouldn't take long at the rate the US is going. How many countries can you get away with pillaging before the rest of the world and your own people catch on. Anyway, blabbing.. Thanks again!
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I can only imagine the difficulty you're in. Hope things get better and you find the answers you're looking for.
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Bump and meow. I think New Zealand (where I live) would be better for you, but I also understand that immigrating here is really hard :-(
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Canada should be close. You can also go to the other end of the globe to Kiwiland if you don't mind internet speeds slower than a sleeping sloth.
Or move to Europe. If your skin is white and don't mind working in the internet gambling industry as an operator, Malta is a nice small place that is very cheap to live at, and they are decent with English, since it is a secondary official language. Czechia is also a cheap enough place with relatively good jobs as they are really trying to import workforce from everywhere, but you should learn the native tongue eventually. (Same goes for the Polish and Hungarians, but the political climate there is currently not exactly the most comforting.) Western Europe is better in language department, but the cost of living can be quite high.
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Just be a woman and have babies, it's a lucrative career here in the states.
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Practically the only way to get any assistance from the state I was in before this one... Yeah, if I want to do the world a favor by lessening the amount of resources I take up by not having more kids, I get penalized. If I create more mouths to feed, thus impacting the total amount of shared resources... well, it's just like banking and the whole interest sham. Same thing. Create more chaos... get rewarded. My contribution to earth before I die will be that at least I didn't pollute the planet with more offspring to go out and desecrate the planet further when it's already pushed way past the brink.
Thanks for contributing, if I have to re-check this! I may .. "change" my mind and... something else if I decide this choice is right for me!
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Not Australia. The system here is Kafkaesque, and public attitude is just as selfish and punitive as in USA.
PS. I don't know what SSI stands for but I assume it is something to do with social welfare.
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SSI stands for Supplemental Security Income. It's a payment from the federal government for people who are elderly or disabled and who have no income and no means to earn money. It's a pittance meant to at least help with basic food and shelter requirements and keep you from becoming homeless. It's difficult to obtain and even if you've been approved, the maximum amount possible under SSI is $750 USD per month (about AU$1000). Any income you receive (such as from a part-time job) is subtracted from the amount... at least that's my understanding. If that's your only source of income, you'd still be living in poverty.
Most US states (but not all) may also offer some additional money to people who receive SSI, but not much. Maybe an extra $50 or $100 a month, if you're lucky. And the states would have a different set of requirements and a separate process by which to apply. Again, that's as far as I understand. Thankfully I do not have first-hand knowledge of it.
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Sounds like the Australian system. Welfare payments haven't increased in real terms in two decades. The maximum Newstart (unemployment) benefits + rent assistance + energy subsidy = $689.40/fortnight, reduced if you earn money from working. My rent is $600/fortnight and my last electricity bill averaged $6.18/day = $86.52/fortnight. The advanced analytical skills gleaned from my mechanical engineering education and career tell me that my remaining budget is $2.88/fortnight or $0.21/day for food, non-food groceries, transport, telephone, internet, medical costs, insurance, leisure, and sundries. To put it in perspective, a cup of coffee typically costs $4.50 here.
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I've never seen anything calculated 'per fortnight', is that a thing down under?
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That's how often welfare is paid here. Lots of jobs also pay fortnightly, although many are moving to monthly payments.
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I'm hoping it'll simply be for reference, since I'm closing it. At least there's some stuff of interest here if I do need to brush up on this and things get worse. I hope not. D:
Thanks a bunch for dropping a comment in!
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The one time I was in a hospital in the Netherlands, a Chinese man who spoke neither Dutch nor English spent about seven minutes treating me (with eye drops) and then they sent me a 300€ bill (that I didn't pay, from what I recall).
Can't recommend.
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I know that France has specific programs to help disabled people that can get started very quickly, but I literally know nothing about how immigration works here so I dunno if you could apply.
Also there's the whole language barrier thing, cows probably speak better English than people around here.
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We get hordes of immigrants who get accepted in the country no matter if they are completely resourceless nor don't speak a word of the language. However, from what I've heard, the country of origin plays a big role and people from the US or other "rich" countries may have a much harder time immigrating here than people from countries with wars and such.
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Oh man, this cow comment plays right into my prejudice against French people :D
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Picture everything you ever heard about how awful the French are at speaking English: in reality it's actually worse.
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I imagine I'm horrible at speaking English as well, to be honest, but I am at least decent at communicating in text and understanding the language spoken. My prejudice for the French includes these shortcomings as well, so I can at least pretend to be superior in this regard :P
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I worked with a French company for about 18 months, and spent about three months living there off-and-on. With only a couple of exceptions, they all spoke excellent English. This was in a professional setting, so maybe that's the difference?
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Well if those people had to speak English for work, they were probably expected to speak it better than the average person, and recruited on that basis. Sadly it's not the norm. Listen to people on the streets, ads, or even news and politicians, and all you'll hear is butchered English.
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Thanks a ton for the infos! I hope I'll not need to come back, but it's good to have something to return to if problems get worse...
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I hope you find help somewhere in this stupid system or a better one. Good luck!
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Having read the replies so far, I see that I'm not well informed enough to answer but I wish you good luck!
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Thank you. It is an interesting topic, and one that has been popping up in my head, so I figured I'd find out a little more. If it serves nothing else, at least an entertaining topic for some perhaps. I've got a little time left to work things out, so maybe it won't even need to be an option.. but it does seem rather complex. I've still got family and friends helping me while I am here in the US, so at least there is that. I'd be totally homeless, or about as close as possible one could be otherwise.
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In Brazil we have free health care that doesn't work. We also have one of the highest violence rates of entire america (because disarmament laws). We do have one of the lowest minimum wage that I know (something around $260 which is nothing considering purchasing power) and we pay taxes for everything (including receiving and spending money, which is double tax but no one cares) which kinda cut in half what we have. Our educational system is infested by stability of public service which grant you that you receive in the end of the month regardless of whether you have worked or not. We pretty much have everything you and your family need for health, security and education, except the fact that nothing works. Should I mention corruption issue? I feel like I don't need to. Come to Brazil and welcome to the jungle. :D
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Yeah.. it's kind of like... there are these ideas and systems in place, and they start out good. Then enough corruption gets in there, it does not matter what type of government or ideals are going on, that bad stuff seeps in and, it's more of a human issue I guess than a political one. Seems things get bad everywhere, but we as humans are not growing enough.
I have the general idea of what you are referring to, since we have a lot of the same thing, but it is on a more hidden kind of level still. Magic tricks, smoke and mirrors, and things like that going on here. Lots of confusion and chaos with parties... so everyone misses the bigger picture as sneaky laws get added in. It is unfortunate so many people are having so much trouble. Definitely a huge number across the globe. I probably will not move to Brazil anytime soon though. Hopefully I will not need to come back to this whole discussion later, but it might be nice to review if I wanted to leave on my own terms, or felt more "forced" to go elsewhere... Thanks again for adding some to the discussion here!
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Problem is that while a lot of countries in Europe offer much better social systems than US they offer them for citizens or people who lived and worked there for enough time already. If you are an immigrant you won't get covered by social systems. You gotta live in a country for 5-10 years (depending on country) and work there for the same time until you become eglible. So if you really cannot do any kind of work - even remote work fcrom your PC, coming to Europe will do no good to you at all. Charitable organizations are mostly also focused on citizens. Ofc there are options, but options you would probably not like so much. Some charities run hopuses for disabled people, but they just provide basic needs - they would provide you basic shelter, like a bed in shared room, some basic food, but noone is going to offer you your own private apartament, pay your bills, provide internet access etc unless you're a citizen.
Also I believe no country in Europe gonna recognize you as special-needs immigrant which have special treatment and help, like people who leave their countries because of war etc, USA immigrant will be considered as immigrant from a wealthy and stable country.
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That being said, if you are capable of doing remote work there are plenty places that will gladly accept you in Europe - beforementioned Malta and Czechia are cheap yet do a lot of new technologies jobs and offer a lot of positions related to them, Ireland is another destinations, especially if you are capable of remotely working in IT sector, Sweden is another option - a lot of remote-able work avaiable in Malmo or Stockholm, Sweden is very expensive, but the wages are very high as well, and after few years of work you get covered by the best social system in Europe, while language is utter bullshit in companies it's common to use english and a lot of people in Sweden are very good in English anyway.
But all these options have one thing in common - you gotta work, you cannot just move in and expect foreign country to take care opf you. Or your partner gotta move with you and work, or your parents. Generally there's gotta be someone who will be providing for you for at least half a decade, be it you or someone related to you.
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Yeah... sounds rough for somebody trying to get well. I kind of figured as much, as I'd just be dead weight taking up resources with a somewhat questionable health problem that might or might not improve. As much as I'd like to get well, I wouldn't place any bets on myself, so I can understand others not wanting to invest in that either. Maybe I'll figure out some way I can get productive and contribute somewhere. It is definitely not out of the question. Good information though.
I am glad I have some family and friends helping for now. Good to see some perspectives and info on the topic though, just in case I may need to take a look later for whatever reasons. Thanks again for all the information!
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This part is only for people who want to know more, and like reading. Please skip if you don't like information:
My question is:
What countries are more accepting of people in danger in their own countries? Are there rescue places that are charitable? How long do you need to remain there, and is it possible to exist with the basics if you are disabled and have a hard time working at all? Any thoughts? Other ideas to think about if I decide to renounce my citizenship here?
Please keep discussion related to my questions. Or something directly related to the title subject. Thank you!
P.S. If keys don't work, blame America. Thanks!
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